Spies to start against Aussies?

Written by Wesley Weber (wpw)

Posted in :In the news, Springboks, Tri Nations on 16 Jul 2008 at 15:31
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Simnikiwe Xabanisa reports from Perth that Pierre Spies is likely to make a dramatic return to the Bok starting team in the Tri-Nations Test against Australia on Saturday.

Bulls and Sharks No8s return to Springbok scrum

The Bulls No8 and his Sharks counterpart, Ryan Kankowski, have been peripheral figures in the team so far.

But both will probably be part of the 22 against the Wallabies.

Spies anchored the scrum during the Springboks’ training session. Kankowski came on as his replacement.

What wasn’t immediately clear was what shape the rest of the bench would take, given that coach Peter de Villiers has preferred Luke Watson to both Spies and Kankowski in that role.

Among the backs, Frans Steyn ran alongside Jean de Villiers at centre while the injured Adrian Jacobs looked on.

Team doctor Craig Roberts said Jacobs’s hamstring had responded well to treatment and that he would probably practise today.

The other injury concern, Gurthro Steenkamp, would play this weekend, said Roberts.



  • So Adi might be fit to start against the Aussies. 😎

    That would be fantastic!!!

  • Comment 1, posted at 16.07.08 15:38:45 by wpw Reply
  • Wishful thinking…

  • Comment 2, posted at 16.07.08 15:59:43 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 2) : never say never 😉

  • Comment 3, posted at 16.07.08 16:01:05 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 3) : Believe the same guy who said Ryan Kankowski Niekerk was replacing Big Joe?

  • Comment 4, posted at 16.07.08 16:24:40 by blackshark Reply

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  • :mrgreen: blackshark

  • Comment 5, posted at 16.07.08 16:27:19 by wpw Reply
  • I still believe Kanko is much better than Spies and I hope he gets a run. If I recall correctly Spies was 8th man when we lost 49-0 againt the Aussies, lets hope he out for revenge if picked and forgets that loss.

  • Comment 6, posted at 16.07.08 16:34:50 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Spies hasn’t played enough rugby to warrant a start, and given his debut was that delightful 49-0 hammering, i think it would be prudent to stick with Joe or go with Kanko

  • Comment 7, posted at 16.07.08 16:37:47 by Sauce Reply
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  • @blackshark (Comment 4) :
    This guy is a journalists ass. I dont bother reading his one-eyed tripe at the worst of times.

  • Comment 8, posted at 16.07.08 17:43:14 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Guthro definately in…that is great!??!

  • Comment 9, posted at 16.07.08 17:54:05 by Hmmm Reply

  • Adi to only start to practice tomorrow…is that not a lil late to run a hamstring off?
    Well hope he does not injure it further when not completely healed for full on test contact….these days if you out of your spot for too long someone else makes it their home very quickly….

  • Comment 10, posted at 16.07.08 17:58:16 by Hmmm Reply

  • @Big Fish (Comment 8) : Which guy?

  • Comment 11, posted at 16.07.08 20:22:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • i dont really see spies and kanko in the same 22. if they start with either one of those two, then surely joe should be on the bench cos he can cover the whole back row.

  • Comment 12, posted at 16.07.08 20:58:03 by knersboy Reply

  • It seems I’m in the minority here. I would have Spies ahead of Kanko and use Kanko off the bench. In my mind Spies is a total freak of a player, he is awesome and unstoppable at times.

    Yes, as a number 8 he is still raw and is technically not the best as he’s still learning the position not to mention building up total fitness after his lengthy absence..but the guy is such a natural athlete that it won’t take him long!

  • Comment 13, posted at 16.07.08 21:28:38 by Villie Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 11) :
    Simnikiwe Xabanisa.

    Writes for the Sunday Times, but belongs in Die Son.

  • Comment 14, posted at 16.07.08 21:28:50 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Villie (Comment 13) :
    Cant agree there.

    If you want to fit a raw athlete with slightly lacking skills into your loose trio, put him in as a blindside. Here Spies’ power, pace and aggression can compensate for a lack of other skills.

    However, an 8th man is a link, a creative player, and has to be able to read and anticipate play, in addition to having good ball skills. Think Teichmann or Skinstad.

    Kanko is our most creative, skilled and intelligent loosie, and he MUST be first choice at 8.

  • Comment 15, posted at 16.07.08 21:35:11 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Agree with Big Fish. Spies doesnt hav a creative bone in his body. The guy is from the Bulls and that says it all.

  • Comment 16, posted at 16.07.08 21:45:31 by wpw Reply
  • @Big Fish (Comment 15) : Not surprised that we and most people disagree as I’ve read the Spies/Kanko debate on here for ages. I rate Kanko as a player but he is still a long way from the finished article himself and has weaknesses. He had a superb Super 14…but I would still like to see more consistency from him.

  • Comment 17, posted at 16.07.08 23:47:51 by Villie Reply
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  • @Villie (Comment 17) : Im afraid im on your side here. Still have memories of Sharks vs Tahs and I would love for us to bash their loose trio upfront with raw power before we bring on the flair.

  • Comment 18, posted at 17.07.08 07:28:40 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 18) : remember we have Juan and Schalk too. Having Spies instead of Kanko wouldn’t have helped the Sharks that day; our entire pack and particularly out loose trio was completely outplayed. FST (F*ckstick Taione) didn’t help, of course.

  • Comment 19, posted at 17.07.08 08:04:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 19) : I knew that was coming… 🙂

    But I’m dreaming of total dominance here – give them no room to move and force errors from their backs. Other than being a bone-crusher I think Spies has good ball carrying abilities…not as creative as Kanko for sure…but either way he will make that ground.

    Anyway- my gut feel 😈 says let’s start with the robot but I wouldn’t be outraged if PdV goes with Kanko. If we’re going to start with Ryan then maybe we don’t need Spies on the bench.

  • Comment 20, posted at 17.07.08 08:21:43 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 18) :
    But you are misdiagnosing here – that game showed more than anything that having a pure bruiser (Taione) against a skilled and specialised unit (Waugh, Palu and Elsom) would fail. The issue for the Sharks that day was that they didnt get the balance right, and even more importantly, the tight 5 didnt give the loosies and backs a platform to play off. Where was Spies in games where the Bulls pack was checked?

    If you look at it, teams usually play a bruiser at 8 when they know they are gonna suffer at scrum and ruck time – its to mitigate not getting front foot ball. Playing a bruiser at 8 when you have a good pack however, usually means that even great ball is gonna be used in a monochromatic way all game. This is why Luaki has never become a AB regular.

  • Comment 21, posted at 17.07.08 08:36:05 by Big Fish Reply
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  • i’ve got the feeling the Aussie players are distracted by the idea of winning the Bledisloe cup and beating NZ… they also seem to have a superiority complex when it comes to playing us ( think we’re thick). Deans has been trying to ram it home that they will need an almighty effort to beat the Boks, but i dont know if he’s got thru… Sharp is talking about weaknesses in our lineouts, blah blah blah and Tuquiri is talking about how they can beat the AB’s…. lets hope our boys have got their focus right and can put out another 80 minutes of intense winning rugby.

  • Comment 22, posted at 17.07.08 08:52:44 by spykerbaard Reply

  • The Springbok team:

    15. Conrad Jantjes, 14. JP Pietersen, 13. Francois Steyn, 12. Jean de Villiers, 11. Bryan Habana, 10. Butch James, 9. Enrico Januarie, 8. Pierre Spies, 7. Juan Smith, 6. Schalk Burger, 5. Victor Matfield (captain), 4. Bakkies Botha, 3. CJ van der Linde, 2. Schalk Brits, 1. Gurthro Steenkamp.


    16. Adriaan Strauss, 17. Tendai Mtawarira, 18. Brian Mujati, 19. Andries Bekker, 20. Ryan Kankowski, 21. Ruan Pienaar, 22. Peter Grant.

  • Comment 23, posted at 17.07.08 08:57:32 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • @Dive Pass (Comment 23) :
    Before the beginning of the international season I was arguing with Ghost that I thought Percy was past it…. but now I am concerned that he isn’t even on the bench.

  • Comment 24, posted at 17.07.08 09:03:18 by Dive Pass Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 21) : It would have helped if our bruiser (ET) didn’t have one of the worst games of his life. 😆 I mean he made so many “errors” that negated his physical presence.

  • Comment 25, posted at 17.07.08 09:07:31 by blackshark Reply

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  • i’d like to see Percy there too… no problems with Conrad tho

  • Comment 26, posted at 17.07.08 09:07:41 by spykerbaard Reply

  • @Dive Pass (Comment 23) : Well…that’s that…

    Would’ve had Percy in the 15 or on the bench at least… but it looks like PdV has decided that the forwards will win this one for us.

    Go Bokke!

  • Comment 27, posted at 17.07.08 09:09:23 by blackshark Reply

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  • erm herm herm herm:


  • Comment 28, posted at 17.07.08 09:22:05 by robdylan Reply
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