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Cape Clash has added Spice

Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :Currie Cup, In the news, Other SA Teams, WP on 22 Jul 2008 at 09:56

Western Province’s defeats at the hands of minnow sides like Griquas and Falcons in the past fortnight have added spice to Saturday’s Western Cape Currie Cup derby against Boland at Newlands.

News 24 reports that WP rugby is at an all-time low and neighbours Boland will fancy their chances of condemning their neighbours to a third successive defeat. And more so, after they did not lose to either Griquas or the Falcons earlier this season.

WP’s squad was bolstered by reinforcements as Springboks Schalk Brits, Brian Mujati, Peter Grant and Bolla Conradie all reported for duty at Monday’s training session but the Newlands brains trust will be aware that in the past players returning from the national team do not always fit into the team’s playing patterns that easily.

Tackling was the biggest sore point in WP’s last two matches and the presence of four returning Springboks is not going to provide an instant solution to that problem.

Coach Allister Coetzee will have to get the side’s defensive structures in place, much the same as Rassie Erasmus did when the Stormers campaigned in the 2008 Super 14 programme.

Handling errors was the other major concern and this shortcoming was rather surprising considering the Kimberley and Brakpan matches were not played in wet conditions.

Desperate measures

Another problem was that WP started off slowly in both matches and were forced to play catch-up rugby, which saw them resort to desperate measures.

And then there is the over-reliance on the match winning boot of their flyhalf Willem de Waal, who was worth his weight in gold when he was largely instrumental in helping WP to defeat the Cheetahs and the Bulls earlier this season.

The returning Boks cannot all be considered automatic choices, considering the claims of the incumbents in their positions.

Grant is rated as the best flyhalf in South Africa but given De Waal’s undoubted match winning qualities, WP may decide to play him at at inside centre where he has done well in the past.

There has to be a concern about De Waal’s ability to get his line away at speed although that aspect of his play improved somewhat when he was partnered by Boland recruit Dewald Duvenhage in Brakpan on Friday night.

Duvenhage, the SA Under-20 scrumhalf, had an excellent outing in Brakpan and deserves another chance ahead of Conradie who hasn’t had much game time since he joined the Springbok squad.

Left in the lurch

Hooker Brits and prop Mujati should find their way into the starting line-up without too much consideration although Deon Fourie has done well in Brits’ absence.

The Springboks’ next engagement is three weeks away – they play Argentina on August 9 in Johannesburg, and it is likely that the national squad will be rested this week before regrouping next week.

Apart from the getting a Springbok boost there was more good news for WP who have been left in the lurch by their Fijian three-quarter Sireli Naqelevuki in the past two weeks.

After his disappearance the strong-running Naqelevuki has finally made contact with Newlands and will be reporting for duty later this week.


  • I guess it will be a national week of mourning in the town next to the mountain if they lose this one…LOL!

  • Comment 1, posted at 22.07.08 10:01:46 by walter van transvaal.co.za Reply
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  • Didn’t Boland have an upset win last season as well? or was it in the VC?

  • Comment 2, posted at 22.07.08 10:04:20 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 2) :

    Won’t the upset in this case be if WP wins? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 3, posted at 22.07.08 10:06:39 by walter van transvaal.co.za Reply
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  • @walter van transvaal.co.za (Comment 3) :

    Bwhahahahha :mrgreen:

    I shouldn’t laugh to loud my team is pretty kak at the moment as well 😳

  • Comment 4, posted at 22.07.08 10:08:40 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 4) :

    I see that WP could leapfrog the Sharks on the Log if they beat Boland and the Sharks lose to the Lions.

  • Comment 5, posted at 22.07.08 10:12:01 by walter van transvaal.co.za Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 2) : Yup, they did, and guess who was the mastermind behind it? Dollie who we had kindly loaned to them for the season. grrreat.

  • Comment 6, posted at 22.07.08 10:15:25 by molly Reply
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  • @walter van transvaal.co.za (Comment 5) :

    Not sure whether to be happy or sad about that 😉

  • Comment 7, posted at 22.07.08 10:15:55 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @molly (Comment 6) :

    Was that in the CC or VC?

    It was in very bad weathewr if i recall correctly??

  • Comment 8, posted at 22.07.08 10:18:22 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 8) : It was Currie Cup as far as I can remember. WP seems to have a mental block with the “smaller” unions.

  • Comment 9, posted at 22.07.08 10:20:15 by molly Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 8) : Here you go:

    Doesn’t mention the weather though.

  • Comment 10, posted at 22.07.08 10:28:58 by molly Reply
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  • @walter van transvaal.co.za (Comment 5) :

    I have just realised that that comment can be changed to read: WP could leapfrog the Lions on the Log if they beat Boland and the Sharks beat the Lions


    A lot to play for it seems.

  • Comment 11, posted at 22.07.08 10:29:07 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @molly (Comment 10) :

    Thanks Molly

    And then later that season Boland ran the Cheetahs to a close Cheetah victory of 22-20 in Wellington as well.

  • Comment 12, posted at 22.07.08 10:37:03 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Walter

    Its lekker to be windgat hey? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 13, posted at 22.07.08 11:31:35 by wpw Reply
  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 8) : IT was the Currie Cup ,the weather was fine but the pitch was buggered from the downfall in the week leading up to the game.

  • Comment 14, posted at 22.07.08 12:00:10 by PJLD Reply
  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 12) : After losing 90odd something to the cheetahs the week before beating WP

  • Comment 15, posted at 22.07.08 12:00:59 by PJLD Reply
  • WP should take this one…but Boland are going to make it tough for them….I’d be impressed if WP get an attacking bonus point…

  • Comment 16, posted at 22.07.08 12:50:35 by Hmmm Reply

  • Grant will def be a much better bet at 12 than Bobo…
    And WP also need a captain…

    Sorry for Newman if he loses out…I thought he actually played well…

  • Comment 17, posted at 22.07.08 12:51:38 by Hmmm Reply

  • How bout giving Brits the captaincy again?
    Don’t think he is going to make the squad again unless from the bench…but I wont be surprised if Strauss fills that roll ahead of him!??!
    Plus we are at home so you don’t need back-ups for everything!??! Squad will be smaller….

  • Comment 18, posted at 22.07.08 12:53:12 by Hmmm Reply

  • Heard on the radio this morning that Dollie will not play – mindgames maybe?

  • Comment 19, posted at 22.07.08 12:59:09 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Hmmm (Comment 18) :
    Brits, captain – do you remember when he was signed there was a rumour that he was willing to move if he was given the captainccy of Province.

  • Comment 20, posted at 22.07.08 13:01:13 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • These are all temporary fixes… what happens when these guys leave to go back to the squad? So we may actually beat a minnow this week and then lose to the lions next?

  • Comment 21, posted at 22.07.08 13:08:20 by molly Reply
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  • Hmmm

    Read this slowly: YOU’RE AN IDIOT!

    Bobo has been playing better than most of his team mates since he came back from Bok duty.

    De Waal has been poo and should be replaced by Grant at 10.

  • Comment 22, posted at 22.07.08 13:39:21 by wpw Reply
  • @Salmonoid (Comment 20) :

    Yeh I remember….and he was captain in 1/2 S14 games when De Wet was injured…

  • Comment 23, posted at 22.07.08 13:56:08 by Hmmm Reply

  • @wpw (Comment 13) :

    Me windgat? never…LOL! Just three games ago we were at the bottom of the log, so I always keep perspective.

  • Comment 24, posted at 22.07.08 13:56:51 by walter van transvaal.co.za Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 22) :

    De Waal is what kept you in the running…
    You have scored the least tries of any team…and merely through De Waals tactical and goal kicking did you win 2 games and finish within a few…

    When De Waal played for the Cheetahs they scored the most tries in the comp (2 years in a row and scoring over 2oo points both years which was more than half WP scored in the same years)…
    I blame everyone outside De Waal…

    If Bobo has been playing better than his team mates…then WP have a team full of dutt’s…
    He is your midfield defensive problem…3 tries scored through direct missed tackles by Bobo…he seems very flatfooted on defense and gets stepped easily…and that has been going on since the test when he was stepped by a much much bigger (18 kg) centre opponent….and then when he moved to 12 I said that is going to cause problems in your defense and you will score less tries before WP even played a min with him there…

    So I guess I am an “Idiot Prophet”…or I am a dam lucky guesser….

    Plus he openly admitted that they were “out passioned” as he said it…is it not the captains job to get their heads in the game….as I said when he was named captain….woooooow….woooooow does not make you a great captain….

    So why you saying he plays well!??!

  • Comment 25, posted at 22.07.08 14:18:54 by Hmmm Reply

  • @wpw (Comment 22) :

    Should “You are an idiot” mean something cozz you said it…
    You very seldom have rational explanations for your opinions…and “Cozz wpw says so” is not as rational as you think…

  • Comment 26, posted at 22.07.08 14:20:34 by Hmmm Reply

  • @Hmmm (Comment 25) :

    When De Waal played for the Cheetahs they scored the most tries in the comp (2 years in a row and scoring over 200 points both years which was more than half WP scored in the same years)…

    That was De Waal scoring more than 200 points in both years…

  • Comment 27, posted at 22.07.08 14:24:39 by Hmmm Reply

  • @Hmmm (Comment 27) : You can’t compare WP with Free State, completely different teams, completely different styles, different coaches, different players, different circumstances. De Waal was good playing with that team, that coach, etc.
    I’ve honestly seem him offer nothing with WP. He is a great kicker, but for me, thats not enough. His idea of a backline move is to pass it on to someone else in the backline and hope that they do something with it.

  • Comment 28, posted at 22.07.08 14:31:27 by molly Reply
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  • @Hmmm (Comment 27) : I’m sure Hougaard also has lots of points under his belt, doesn’t make him a good player though, does it?

  • Comment 29, posted at 22.07.08 14:34:20 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 28) :

    He scored those points under 2 different coaches (Rassie and Blesskop)…
    He most probably moved to WP cozz of Rassie’s influence!??!
    So what has gone wrong then?

  • Comment 30, posted at 22.07.08 14:57:55 by Hmmm Reply

  • @molly (Comment 29) :

    The Bulls never really scored the most tries in te comp outside him…
    The scored a lot off his boot…
    And when he set the record for the most points in a CC final at 21 he was on top form…a real good player…I think injuries got to him a lil…he is not as big as De Waal…
    The Cheetahs scored the most tries 2 years in a row outside De Waal…plus he score over 60 points more than the second placed person in both those years…and most of Cheetahs points were converted tries in those years too (the greater portion)….

  • Comment 31, posted at 22.07.08 15:01:04 by Hmmm Reply

  • @Hmmm (Comment 30) : Ja, cos Rassie is so involved, I think he went to one of WP practices last week, alot of good that did too.
    Who is Blesskop? Drotske?

  • Comment 32, posted at 22.07.08 15:01:37 by molly Reply
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  • @Hmmm (Comment 31) : Did they get those tries with a pack going forward?

  • Comment 33, posted at 22.07.08 15:02:18 by molly Reply
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  • @Hmmm (Comment 31) : Besides, last years CC comp was a saturated one.

  • Comment 34, posted at 22.07.08 15:03:35 by molly Reply
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  • Hmmm

    If you watched the game you would have notice ho weak De Waal was on defense.

    He missed a tackle on Len Olivier that lead to his try in the first half.

    De Waal’s kicking did help us in the first 2/3 games but he can’t put away a backline to save his life.

  • Comment 35, posted at 22.07.08 15:12:03 by wpw Reply
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  • Comment 36, posted at 22.07.08 15:26:49 by Hmmm Reply

  • @molly (Comment 33) :

    Well it is the Freestate so I’d say yes?

  • Comment 37, posted at 22.07.08 15:27:40 by Hmmm Reply

  • @wpw (Comment 35) :

    All I am saying is that if the Cheetahs could score the most tries 2 years in a row (of which 2 of their backline players were in the top 10 try scorers)…surely De Waal can put a backline away…
    And his boot (getting the whole team on the front foot) has also got to do with that)…
    Besides Newman…the whole WP backline look dull…and I blame Bobo…his hands are slow and 2 inside passes to get a team mate through a cap the whole season so far does not change that fact…

  • Comment 38, posted at 22.07.08 15:34:21 by Hmmm Reply

  • Could be AC…the LIONS nor Bokke scored tries when he was their backline coach…

  • Comment 39, posted at 22.07.08 15:34:54 by Hmmm Reply

  • @wpw (Comment 35) :

    I did not watch the whole game Friday….I’ll admit…but I did watch enough to see Bobo miss a tackle against Griekwas that lead to a try and two of the 1st half tries (don’t know the Valke players names) he missed the tackles (got his hands on the hips of the stepping players but never stopped them)….

    And 12 is the midfield defensive general…and in both those games there were too many gaps in the WP midfield…

  • Comment 40, posted at 22.07.08 15:53:02 by Hmmm Reply


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