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Eloff concerned by Fourie’s Bok inclusion

Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :In the news, Lions, Springboks on 29 Jul 2008 at 23:36

Lions coach Eugene Eloff believes the Springbok team’s management have acted unprofessionally by including Jaque Fourie in the national squad without consulting his provincial coach.

Hennie Brandt writes in Beeld that Fourie, who was unable to play Currie Cup rugby against the Sharks last Saturday because he was still recovering from a groin injury, will join the Springbok setup in Pretoria on Wednesday.

The powerful Lions centre was on Monday included in the SA squad of 30 for the Test against Argentina on August 9 and for the Tri-Nations matches against New Zealand and Australia.

Eloff says no one spoke to him about Fourie’s injury before the player was recalled to the squad.

And he believes Springbok coach Peter de Villiers and the selectors are taking a risk, also from the player’s point of view.

Eloff said on Tuesday he did not feel it was right to select a player for international duty while he was still recovering from an injury.

“I believe Jaque could have played 40 minutes of Currie Cup rugby before being called up for national duty,” he said.

Confirming that he had not been consulted about Fourie’s fitness, Eloff said, “I feel this is unprofessional. What I would like to see is a more professional forum where the various medical teams and the coaches talk to each other.”

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Eloff will have to do without Fourie when his team play Western Province in a Currie Cup match here on Saturday.

“We can do without Jaque, as we have done earlier this season. I just think we (South Africans) should be cleverer when players return from injuries.

“But I understand why Peter wants Jaque. He is a special player, just like Fourie du Preez.

“The Springboks want them back as soon as possible, because there is pressure on them,” Eloff said while the Lions were training in the Johannesburg Stadium.

Fourie did not attend the practice.

De Villiers and his selectors, Peter Jooste and Ian McIntosh, caught Eloff on the wrong foot when they called up Fourie on Monday.

The Lions were planning to give him until Thursday to prove he would be ready to play against WP.

But now he will join the Springbok squad in Pretoria on Wednesday while the Lions enjoy a rest day.

All members of the national squad will undergo fitness tests.

Eloff will have to make a change to the pack that played again the Sharks. Gerhard Mostert injured a shoulder in Durban and Anton van Zyl will partner Dewald Senekal at lock.

Alten Hulme is no longer available for the Lions because he has decided to play in Italy.

Among the backs, Heini Gordon may have to make room for Michael Killian on the right wing. Killian has played most of his first-class rugby at flyhalf and fullback but Eloff feels he has enough speed to play on the wing.


  • Heini Adams?

  • Comment 1, posted at 30.07.08 01:31:22 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 1) : Yep I didn’t get that either?

  • Comment 2, posted at 30.07.08 04:23:14 by bryce_in_oz Reply

  • I suspect it is suposed to be Heini Gordon. 😳

    It is now. 😉

  • Comment 3, posted at 30.07.08 06:41:36 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Why don’t they let the medical team (either Lions or Bok) decide if he is ready for the weekend and then let him play CC.

    If comes through that unscathed it would have served as a test of both his form and recovery.

    Should, in my mind at least, make the inclusion or exclusion decision much easier for PdV when it comes to putting names on paper for the Argie test and it gives Eloff what he ultimately wants out of this.

  • Comment 4, posted at 30.07.08 07:50:27 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Eloff needs to shut his pie hole.

    Who is more important? The Boks or the freakin Lions???

    I wonder why we never hear NZ or Aussie coaches complain about their national team coach.

    Perhaps its because they all work together instead of taking shots at each other in the media.

    Now I know exactly how Bryce feels. 🙄

  • Comment 5, posted at 30.07.08 07:59:52 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 5) :

    I wouldn’t really lay blame anywhere here.

    On the one hand PdV or someone from his management team should have contacted the Lions and on the other hand the Lions shouldn’t be airing their laundry in public.

    Loffie may have reason to feel agrieved, but I don’t buy his player welfare angle. He just wants the guy to be in his team this weekend.

    Then also consider the fact that the bok guys would not just have included Fourie had they not been told by someone that the guy was ready to play.

  • Comment 6, posted at 30.07.08 08:05:30 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • 60 mins for the Lions, then 60 for the Argie game… then perhaps a start or definitely off the bench for the 3N should have been the way to go… it’s not like the Boks are on tour…

  • Comment 7, posted at 30.07.08 08:38:24 by bryce_in_oz Reply

  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 7) :


  • Comment 8, posted at 30.07.08 08:41:12 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • What’s the procedure for selecting a player for the Boks again?

  • Comment 9, posted at 30.07.08 08:49:21 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 9) :

    Read Keo and make a tally of the moaning ‘for and against’ then decide… takes awhile though as PDV and co are still on dial-up…

  • Comment 10, posted at 30.07.08 08:53:20 by bryce_in_oz Reply

  • @blackshark (Comment 9) :

    1. Check with Sharksworld if the player injury-free.
    2. Check with Sharksworld bloggers to find out is the player is any good.
    3. Write player’s name on piece of paper and forward to the media.
    4. Send player an sms or poke on facebook.

  • Comment 11, posted at 30.07.08 08:54:05 by blackshark Reply

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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 10) : 😆

  • Comment 12, posted at 30.07.08 08:55:12 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 11) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 13, posted at 30.07.08 08:56:29 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 11) : rotflmao…

  • Comment 14, posted at 30.07.08 08:58:09 by bryce_in_oz Reply

  • @blackshark (Comment 11) : 😀

  • Comment 15, posted at 30.07.08 09:10:17 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 5) :
    “Perhaps its because they all work together instead of taking shots at each other in the media.”
    If Loffie or his management team weren’t consulted then then there was no “working together” and that would indicate that he was indeed correct in getting peed off. I also dont think he should have aired his views in public but now that he has done it I’m sure that the Bok management wont do it again – hopefully.

  • Comment 16, posted at 30.07.08 09:16:46 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @blackshark (Comment 11) :

    You would have coaches like Loffie up in arms cozz nowhere there do you consult him…

  • Comment 17, posted at 30.07.08 09:34:58 by Hmmm Reply

  • @Hmmm (Comment 17) : 😀

  • Comment 18, posted at 30.07.08 09:40:14 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • This is an outrage…
    Does PdV and his team not know who they are dealing with here…
    We are talking about the LIONS…not just any other Mickey-Mouse SA team….
    I suggest that he requests permission to include and LIONS player into the Bokke team…IN WRITTING, seal with wax-bokkie stamp…

  • Comment 19, posted at 30.07.08 09:40:16 by Hmmm Reply

  • But seriously though…
    The provincial team will know better what the status of the player is…
    And can make recommendations…and 20 minutes of CC rugby is possibly to the advantage of the player and the Bokke…he is not match fit after all (YES…all though it did not look like it in the S14 and CC…but test rugby is a different ball game!??!)…

  • Comment 20, posted at 30.07.08 09:47:51 by Hmmm Reply

  • @Hmmm (Comment 17) : That’s the whole point…his approval is not required.

  • Comment 21, posted at 30.07.08 09:50:13 by blackshark Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 20) :

    But if Loffie had something to say to PdV….he should have given him a call…

    His statements are a bit contradictory if you wanna ask me!??! Asking for professionalism but not bothered to be professional himself!??!

  • Comment 22, posted at 30.07.08 09:50:32 by Hmmm Reply

  • @blackshark (Comment 21) :

    If you get lambasted in the press…just don’t say I did not warn you…LoL

  • Comment 23, posted at 30.07.08 09:52:13 by Hmmm Reply

  • @wpw (Comment 5) : You are just relieved that the Weepees will not have to face Jacques on Saturday, imagine Bobo vs Fourie – No match there 😉

  • Comment 24, posted at 30.07.08 09:56:46 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • I know Sharksmad.

    Bobo will win hands down. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 25, posted at 30.07.08 09:57:26 by wpw Reply
  • Hmmm

    So the Bok Management should ask the Lions for permission (in writing nogal) to include their ONE player? 🙄

  • Comment 26, posted at 30.07.08 10:00:22 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 25) : 😆

  • Comment 27, posted at 30.07.08 10:00:59 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Hmmm (Comment 22) : The player said he was good to go…almost pleading to be picked.
    I’m sure the Bok doctors will discuss his case with the Lions doctors. Loffie is just being a little girl…

  • Comment 28, posted at 30.07.08 10:03:11 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 28) : The Sharks also accused the Boks of being unprofessional, they were hoping to keep the four Boks for this weekend. I think the Coaches are under severe pressure and these call ups mess them around hugely.

  • Comment 29, posted at 30.07.08 10:14:02 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 26) :

    Please get your facts right before posting…we have TWO players…LoL

    And read the post traight after the one you are referring to!??! jinne 🙄

  • Comment 30, posted at 30.07.08 10:16:19 by Hmmm Reply

  • Loffie is a little girl… bwahahahahaa

  • Comment 31, posted at 30.07.08 10:20:17 by wpw Reply
  • @Hmmm (Comment 30) : Your team had better do it this weekend I have them to win in my Superbru! Sorry wpw but the Lions are my second team, and I don’t trust WP away from Newlands 😉

  • Comment 32, posted at 30.07.08 10:21:03 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • I’d be pleading to go too…but Jacques might have said so just to get his foot in the door…desperate to play for the Bokke again…

    So I don’t think discussing it with the player is the best thing…
    The Provincial coach and team can only recommend…PdV and team would still have to make the final decision…as PdV might fear that he could get injured again…and feels a week extra rest is more important for the Bokke…

    I am sure together they could have worked on the best outcome for the Bokke (a 20/40/60 minute more match fit Jacques!??!

    And yes….Loffie is being a girl….that is for sure….

  • Comment 33, posted at 30.07.08 10:21:22 by Hmmm Reply

  • OK Hmmm.

    I’m so sorry… 😳

    Next time I will read the post ‘traight’

  • Comment 34, posted at 30.07.08 10:26:34 by wpw Reply
  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 29) : Boo-hoo…we’ve all known about this game for a while. What did they expect? PdV to pick a squad of 22?

    I’m glad we’re not taking any of our Bok players to Kimberley.
    We have to beat them fair and square…and that can only happen if we play with a depleted squad.

  • Comment 35, posted at 30.07.08 10:37:33 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 35) : Grikwas have beaten us before in Kimberley with our depleted squad – Fair and square be damned I want a trophy! But the way the Sharks are playing at the Moment its fair and square anyway 🙁

  • Comment 36, posted at 30.07.08 10:45:20 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 36) : Yeah…I want one of those too…

  • Comment 37, posted at 30.07.08 10:58:09 by blackshark Reply

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