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WP have mountain to climb

Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :Currie Cup, In the news, WP on 3 Aug 2008 at 22:37

Western Province have a mountain to climb to get their Currie Cup rugby campaign back on track. And injuries are adding to their problems as they prepare to play the Sharks here on Friday evening.

Stephen Nell writes in Die Burger that the Cape side are fifth on the points table after losing 13-27 to the Lions at Coca-Cola Park on Saturday.

And while Springboks Ruan Pienaar, Frans Steyn and Odwa Ndungane have been released to play for the Sharks, four of the WP players are injured.

Centre Des Fountain has torn ligaments in one of his big toes and is likely to be out of action for three weeks.

Flyhalf Willem de Waal, hooker Deon Fourie and tighthead prop Brock Harris are doubtful starters.

Fourie needed ten stitches to sew up a torn lip and De Waal took a knock to one of his hips during the match against the Lions. A scan will be done on Monday to evaluate the damage.

Harris left the field during the second half after suffering an injury to the rear of one of his knees. However, WP coach Allister Coetzee said on Sunday it was already looking better.

The bounce of the ball robbed WP of a precious bonus point towards the end of the match on Saturday when centre Doppies la Grange seized the opportunity to score a try.

Loose forwards not up to the task

However, it could have been worse for the visitors. The Lions struggled to convert their opportunities into points.

The match proved beyond all doubt that Springbok hooker Schalk Brits was not a first-class eighthman and that veteran Springbok AJ Venter no longer had the speed to play on the flank at this level. The WP loose forwards were simply not up to the task.

Coetzee said on Sunday, “It is becoming clear that we need speed among the loose forwards.

“But at least, Francois Louw was outstanding. I know there are people who say Schalk (Brits) does not belong at No 8 but he has speed and he turned over possession for us on four occasions.

“The positives are that young players such as JC Kritzinger, Nick Koster, Deon Fourie, Wicus Blaauw and Dewaldt Duvenhage are getting game time. The rewards will come.”

Coetzee added, “I know the people want to see us win but take ten players out of the Lions team and see what happens then.”

The coach also grumbled about what he perceived as illegal tactics at breakdown points by the Lions but the home team deserved their victory.

“I’m still positive,” Coetzee said. “We have four home games in the second round and must move forward.”


  • Question is: can the Sharks turn it on two weeks in a row?

  • Comment 1, posted at 03.08.08 22:43:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • Well WP has won everything at home and lost everything away this season.

    Let’s hope we change the shape of their season.

    Our Boks should do that for us.

  • Comment 2, posted at 03.08.08 22:48:03 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 2) : I am nervous about throwing Steyn into that side and risking disrupting things. If they put him at 10, Swan will never see the ball

  • Comment 3, posted at 03.08.08 23:00:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • This question just can’t go by without being asked.

    So who has to take responsibility for this?

    Alister Coetzee is the coach. (or is he?) Yet the selection of Brits at #8 rather than hooker and the front row for flankers switch-a-roo from this weekend has Rassie Erasmus written all over it.

    So who needs to step up and take it on the chin? Rassie or Alister?

  • Comment 4, posted at 04.08.08 07:19:56 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Coetzee said on Sunday, “It is becoming clear that we need speed among the loose forwards

    I am just glad that it is not the Sharks who are making the mistake of playing AJ at flank. 😉

  • Comment 5, posted at 04.08.08 07:22:06 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 5) : We’ve got an exclusive interview with AJ coming up this week

  • Comment 6, posted at 04.08.08 07:43:06 by robdylan Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 4) :

    AC is clearly not a coaches arse…

  • Comment 7, posted at 04.08.08 07:51:14 by bryce_in_oz Reply

  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 7) :

    How can you say that though? The only thing clear to me is that Rassie seems to be coaching a lot more than advising?

  • Comment 8, posted at 04.08.08 07:53:54 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • What I wanna know is who will play at 10 if De Waal is injured???

    Naas Olivier perhaps??? 👿

  • Comment 9, posted at 04.08.08 08:05:57 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 9) : olivier against Steyn? He he

  • Comment 10, posted at 04.08.08 08:09:04 by robdylan Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 9) :

    Maybe Rassie can move Brits to flyhalf? 🙄 😉

  • Comment 11, posted at 04.08.08 08:10:35 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 11) : Where’s 46 when you need him? 🙂

  • Comment 12, posted at 04.08.08 08:13:18 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 12) : :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 13, posted at 04.08.08 08:15:42 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Enjoying yourselves aren’t you??? 👿

    Well, we’ll just have to wait and see.

    I will LMAO if Naas just happens to have a ‘once in a lifetime’ brilliant game ala Gavin Lawless in 1997 (was it)

    The chances of that happening is as much chance of Hmmm making 1 comment on a Lions thread. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 14, posted at 04.08.08 08:21:19 by wpw Reply
  • #14

    on on ANY thread for that matter… 🙄

  • Comment 15, posted at 04.08.08 08:21:57 by wpw Reply
  • Ja, the goats surely knows about mountain climbing… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 16, posted at 04.08.08 08:25:31 by Charlie Reply

  • @wpw (Comment 14) :

    We had to restrain ourselves last week coz we were facing a bit of a hooddoo team and you were playing the Lions not us.

    Rest assured there will be minimal restraint this week 😉

    And on that note: After this weekends showing of 5 loose forwards on the field at the same time, it has now become clear what Bossies Erasmus’ plan is for next season’s S14. 🙄 The first ever S14 pack of 4 fetchers and 4 blindsiders.

  • Comment 17, posted at 04.08.08 08:29:07 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • I’m not really concerned about WP and the CC this year. 🙄

    As long as the Boks win the Tri Nations I’ll be happy.

    Oh, and my foosball team to win the EPL. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 18, posted at 04.08.08 08:35:50 by wpw Reply
  • @Charlie (Comment 16) :
    😆 😆 😆

    @wpw (Comment 18) :
    Shame – throwing in the towel already?

  • Comment 19, posted at 04.08.08 08:39:26 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 18) :

    Given up so easily ❓ ❓ 😉

    Here is a bit from Gavin Rich

    WP coach Allister Coetzee will start the week having to assess a growing injury list. Centre Dylan des Fountain is definitely out of the match after injuring a ligament in his toe, while hooker Deon Fourie is also in doubt after he suffered a split upper lip in a clash of heads with Gio Aplon..

    The big probme though could well be flyhalf Willem de Waal, who is to have an injured hip scanned on Monday. De Waal has not been in his best form lately, but he kept WP in the game in the first round clash with the Sharks in Durban, and with Ishma-eel Dollie having linked up with Boland Cavaliers, it is hard to establish who the back-up flyhalf is at the moment. It is probably Joe Pietersen, who played wing against the Lions..

    Or there could be a surprise, as Coetzee has hinted that he is going to go the adventurous route by taking a closer look at two players who starred for the WP under-21 side in the curtain-raiser in Johannesburg – centre Charl Weideman and flyhalf Coenie van Wyk..

    Be afraid, be very afraid.

  • Comment 20, posted at 04.08.08 08:40:02 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 20) :

    The bit I like is It is probably Joe Petersen :mrgreen:

  • Comment 21, posted at 04.08.08 08:42:35 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 19) : More of throwing in the gatsby… 🙄

  • Comment 22, posted at 04.08.08 08:44:22 by Charlie Reply

  • Anybody going to Newlands on Friday ??? Big Fish, WPW ???

  • Comment 23, posted at 04.08.08 08:45:51 by Charlie Reply

  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 21) : Naas Olivier :mrgreen:

  • Comment 24, posted at 04.08.08 08:46:34 by Charlie Reply

  • @Charlie (Comment 23) : Fish has a very special trip lined up

  • Comment 25, posted at 04.08.08 08:53:30 by robdylan Reply
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  • WP still have a midfield defensive problem…
    Now we all know it is no secret that I am not a fan of either of the centres that played for the LIONS this past weekend…Doppies could always defend well (and showed it again the weekend), but with ball in hand (if he actually able to hold onto it hence why I gave him the name Droppies in the S14)…
    But the past weekend he broke through the defence of De Waal 3 times and Bobo twice…

    Now I don’t think this is Doppies turning into a awesome running centre…but that WP still have a defensive 10/12 problem (and it took the Griekwas and the Valke to exploit it and prove that point to all)…

    Further JacoP and Ludick stepped Bobo and then broke through his attempted half tackles…if not for the great scrambling by the WP loosies and (surprisingly) the cover defence from Joe (2/3 times) the LIONS could have had even more opportunities…

  • Comment 26, posted at 04.08.08 08:54:51 by Hmmm Reply

  • JacoP did nothing really on attack barring a step once or twice to cross the advantage line…
    But he did cross defend well running in behind the LIONS first line of defence to bring down the WP players after crossing the advantage line…on about 3/4 occasions….but I am not going to start complementing him yet…but not bad game at all…

  • Comment 27, posted at 04.08.08 09:00:38 by Hmmm Reply

  • Also yet again Bobo’s captaincy comes into question…

    ”We need to just hang in there till our Bokke come back and hopefully we still in with a shot”

    What kind of attitude is that for a captain…

    Lets be honest…barring Schalk’s physicality and defence…the only real position that WP miss their Bok is at 12…not only because Bobo is a lesser 12 (not defensive general at all)…but he is a much lesser captain and they miss their captain most…
    Mujati would have made no difference had he been there…
    Grant would have made no major difference had he been there…
    The line-outs were good and Andries would have made no major difference….
    12 and Schalk is WP on real drain…but especially the fact that they don’t seem to have no captain…

  • Comment 28, posted at 04.08.08 09:10:05 by Hmmm Reply

  • who cares. they are now ripe for the sharks to pick this weekend. there will be chumming at newlands on friday. with the boks back for the sharks, expect a bruising.

  • Comment 29, posted at 04.08.08 09:12:14 by try time Reply

  • Spears to replace WP next year…

  • Comment 30, posted at 04.08.08 09:15:42 by bryce_in_oz Reply

  • @try time (Comment 29) : Unless Steyn has a shocker

  • Comment 31, posted at 04.08.08 09:16:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 31) : you are far too negative rob. lol. but i agree. his crash balling could work though against bobo. i think stefan is still the weak link. odwa has to start at 15.

  • Comment 32, posted at 04.08.08 09:21:13 by try time Reply

  • Not a good weekend for WP rugby at all, considering that their u19 and u21 teams also got klapped with more than 40 points being scored against them.

  • Comment 33, posted at 04.08.08 09:24:48 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • I cannot comment on the game Hmmm cos I didn’t watch it.

    Then again, I doubt you have the ability to be objective when discussing WP or their star players Brian Mujati and Gobani Bobo. 🙄

  • Comment 34, posted at 04.08.08 09:26:00 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 34) : How many WP matches do you actually watch… 🙄

  • Comment 35, posted at 04.08.08 10:08:28 by Charlie Reply

  • Is there no cricket on today? 😉

  • Comment 36, posted at 04.08.08 10:10:36 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

  • Province have sent my SB deep into ‘sy moer’. 👿

  • Comment 37, posted at 04.08.08 10:11:23 by ra-cheltjie de' be-er Reply

  • @wpw (Comment 34) :

    LoL…star players…

  • Comment 38, posted at 04.08.08 10:15:13 by Hmmm Reply

  • @Charlie (Comment 35) :

    Well if he calls Bobo and Mujati star players…I would say hardly any….

  • Comment 39, posted at 04.08.08 10:15:52 by Hmmm Reply

  • @try time (Comment 32) : Howzit try time. Why do you not rate Stefan ?
    Just asking – What should he be doing that he’s not & vice versa.

  • Comment 40, posted at 04.08.08 10:34:17 by Ernie Reply

  • @Hmmm (Comment 39) : Bobo has been one of the more outstanding PLAYERS, and that is saying alot since the team is shite. He is far more confident and seems to break lines far more easily than he used to, he is definately one of our “star players”.

    And you can honestly not tell me that Willem is still a currie cup winning player, Grant would definately have made a difference.

  • Comment 41, posted at 04.08.08 11:05:11 by molly Reply
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  • Willem played well at the Cheetahs cos he was playing behind a pack that was dominating every week.

    Compare his performances when playing for the Cheetahs in the S14 against decent opposition and where you have much decision making time… he gets found out.

  • Comment 42, posted at 04.08.08 11:14:04 by wpw Reply
  • @molly (Comment 41) : Haven’t WP up until their last loss only been playing the cellar-dwellers?

  • Comment 43, posted at 04.08.08 12:01:01 by bryce_in_oz Reply

  • @Charlie (Comment 35) : Good question.

    Ag, WP are trying hard to spoil the CC. I don’t know if ” their Bokke” will be able to lift them from the bottom of the log…seeing that they won’t get any points this week.

  • Comment 44, posted at 04.08.08 12:09:40 by blackshark Reply

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  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 43) : Yes, but even against the Sharks and Bulls he looked good, considering he hasn’t played too much inside centre for a while.

    And considering that our entire team has been outshone by the “cellar-dwellars” he is one of our “star players”.

  • Comment 45, posted at 04.08.08 12:14:17 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 41) :

    He broke through 2 half gaps on Saturday and got a nice inside pass away on both occasions (one was deemed forward)….
    But I was not talking of his attack….he seems to be stepping more…and seems to have much better hands than ever in the past and he did away with those useless grubbers…

    However…no team will fear him as an attacking player…so he is not all that…

    Where he seems to lack and lack to the extent where it is below average is in his own defense and organizing the midfield defense…(which is required as a 12)…
    Plus he is not a good captain…and that is hurting WP that they don’t have a captain at the moment…

    Grant would have made a difference…but not a major difference…I think his biggest impact would have been on defense…

  • Comment 46, posted at 04.08.08 12:14:19 by Hmmm Reply

  • @molly (Comment 45) :

    I don’t think he played all that well against Cheetahs and Bulls (did not watch the Sharks game)….
    OLIVIER broke through the midfield 3 times… 🙄

  • Comment 47, posted at 04.08.08 12:19:57 by Hmmm Reply

  • @Hmmm (Comment 47) : Some media deemed him the man of the match for the bulls game.

  • Comment 48, posted at 04.08.08 12:26:59 by molly Reply
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  • So Molly…Bobo is not doing badly on attack…especially with the skill he developed to get his hands over the tackle and getting the ball away…
    But they are definitely getting passed him more than he has been able to get through the opposition….
    But is compared to what WP have in JdV as 12 and captain…that is THE area WP have lost the most of all their Bokke (and obviously Schalk’s presence)…

  • Comment 49, posted at 04.08.08 12:30:23 by Hmmm Reply

  • @Hmmm (Comment 49) : I don’t know if his defence is THAT bad, will pay attention in the next game. All I’m saying is that he is one of our better players. And again, thats not saying much.

    But I do agree that we need a new captain. Between Skeate and Bobo I think we’ve picked the worst. But its a young team and I don’t see anyone else putting up their hands…

  • Comment 50, posted at 04.08.08 12:34:56 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 48) :

    Well I did not…getting over the advantage line once and getting 2 passes in don’t make you man of match…

    I deem Willem MoM against the Bulls game…he got WP in the positions to score (if he did not put the score on himself)…and the loosies were good that game….
    And against the Cheetahs Willem’s boot was the difference…
    WP get over the advantage line…it is just as if your backline runs out of players to make the final pass to!??!

  • Comment 51, posted at 04.08.08 12:35:04 by Hmmm Reply

  • I week of interschools and I totally miss WP losing the bloody plot. This weekend wont be easy with Ruaan & Steyn playing for the Sharks.

  • Comment 52, posted at 04.08.08 12:37:37 by PaarlBok Reply

  • @molly (Comment 50) :

    Yes I agree…and hence why I said your biggest loss was at 12…not only cozz JdV is a better 12 (does everything that Bobo does and better)…but that JdV is a captain and Bobo is not…

    He just screams…and although that is required…you need to direct and calm people down too when it is needed in a game…

    With the 6 loosies WP had on the field at 1 time and the new scrummy they started moving the ball around quite well…but barring the great piece of play by the scrummy and replacement loosie LIONS never really looked in danger…

    His defence is not THAT BAD…just that the teams seem to target your midfield with the most success….

  • Comment 53, posted at 04.08.08 12:51:59 by Hmmm Reply

  • @PaarlBok (Comment 52) : WP would’ve had their hands full with Charl and Borgen… 🙄

  • Comment 54, posted at 04.08.08 12:56:04 by blackshark Reply

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  • The sooner Allister Coetzee is given the boot, the better for Die Streeptruie 👿

  • Comment 55, posted at 04.08.08 17:01:27 by H.O. Reply

  • @H.O. (Comment 55) :
    I dont know if you saw the game but if you had you would have seen Rassie Erasmus at the game and making the decisions (walkie talkie in hand). Also playing his hooker at 8th man is also 100% Rassie as is the stupid trick with the front rowers. Sure Coetzee must shoulder some blame but while you are dishing out the blame dont forget to give Rassie his due.

  • Comment 56, posted at 04.08.08 17:19:25 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 56) :

    Agreed…those antics can only be Rassie…

    The rules clearly states that you need to play 5 front rowers in a match 22…he played 2 props and 3 hookers…
    And when Schalk moved to hooker and the replacement hooker to prop they wanted uncontested scrums…and then the ref agreed but was helped from the touchline as the rule states that the team needs to be able to contest scrum with the first replacement at hooker and the first replacement at prop…so WP scrummed with 2 hookers and 1 prop for sometime…until the 2nd hooker (as expected) got injured and they scrummed with 2 hooker and a loose forward…

  • Comment 57, posted at 04.08.08 17:54:08 by Hmmm Reply

  • @Salmonoid (Comment 56) :

    Plus I think the love of Bobo is also Rassie’s influence…

  • Comment 58, posted at 04.08.08 17:55:03 by Hmmm Reply

  • @Salmonoid (Comment 56) :

    I respect your opinion!

  • Comment 59, posted at 04.08.08 18:28:36 by H.O. Reply

  • @blackshark (Comment 54) : careful what you wish for, mate

  • Comment 60, posted at 04.08.08 18:47:48 by robdylan Reply
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