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Eye on the English Rose

Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :In the news, Springboks on 8 Sep 2008 at 14:00

Here’s a thought. Five weeks from now Earl Rose could hear is name being read out as a member of the Springbok team to tour Wales, Scotland and England.

Dan Retief writes on SuperRugby that Rose, plus a few others such as Cobus Grobbelaar, Morné Steyn, Rory Kockott, Heinrich Brussow, Keegan Daniel, Rayno Gerber and Werner Kruger, have just four more rounds left of this year’s Currie Cup to convince Peter de Villiers, his fellow coaches and selectors that they deserve a Springbok call-up.

Others such as Wynand Olivier, Wikus van Heerden, Akona Ndungane, Chiliboy Ralepelle, Johann Muller, Ryan Kankowski and Jannie du Plessis will be out to demonstrate why they should permanently return.

There are four more rounds, plus the semi-finals, left of this year’s Currie Cup before the team for the three-test excursion to the UK is finalised and the added incentive of a Springbok cap or a recall should ensure that the old golden cup once again sets the juices flowing – especially as a little bird whispers that there might be interesting developments around the tour.

A three-test excursion would normally require a touring squad of around 26 (a test group of 22 plus additional hookers, scrumhalves and utility forwards) but there is, apparently, a chance that some mid-week fixtures might be arranged against the A sides of the Boks’ opponents.

And one can only hope that this would indeed be the case for it will afford De Villiers, if he survives the despicable storm that has broken around his head, the chance to blood some new faces in a team that showed such wonderful virtues in the record victory over the Wallabies but which nevertheless contains some potential weaknesses that have to be addressed.

Key among these would be the position of flyhalf – which brings me back to my opening statement about that lies ahead of Earl Rose of the Lions, Morné Steyn of the Bulls and Ruan Pienaar of the Sharks.

Flyhalf remains one of the key areas of concern in the make-up of the squad, especially in view of the fact that Butch James, one of the heroes of the World Cup, struggled so to impose himself in the recent tests.

Rose, with his clever touches and illusive movement, is the kind of flyhalf who would fit into De Villiers’ plans for the Boks to play a more fluid game while Steyn, who must surely deserve some credit for the excellent rugby being played by Wynand Olivier, can lay claim to having been the form No10 in this year’s competition.

Pienaar, too, will feature strongly – thanks to that wonderful jinking try against the Wallabies which showed what he is capable of and his pinpoint goal-kicking against for the Sharks against the Bulls; which, notwithstanding the player’s own qualms, presents a compelling blend of talent to the selectors as they consider a successor for James.

In fact, looking ahead to the Currie Cup Finals month of October and the end-of-year tour in November, Pienaar’s experience of test match rugby would give him the inside lane if there were only tests to be played and James, for some or other reason, were to be unavailable.

The coaches would obviously be loath to throw a new cap into a full-scale test, but would jump at the opportunity to give a newcomer the chance to run out in the jersey against lesser opposition, to see how he copes at a higher level.

Tighthead and fetcher flank are two other positions where improvements can be made and some additional midweek matches would be a boon to the Springboks as they look ahead to the three-test series against the British and Irish Lions in June and July next year as they would then tour with a squad of 36 – with many of the additional positions going to new caps.

It seems likely that the touring team will be named over the weekend of the Currie Cup semi-finals (September 11), as the Final will not be until September 25 – so the message to all the “wannabes” must be to play as though an expanded tour has already been announced in the hope that there will be some new caps on offer.

The Springboks’ three tests on tour are against Wales on November 8; Scotland on November 15 and England on November 22.


  • Please don’t pick Earl Rose.please 😕

  • Comment 1, posted at 08.09.08 14:33:35 by PJLD(RIP Bernie Mac) Reply
  • “It seems likely that the touring team will be named over the weekend of the Currie Cup semi-finals (September 11)” ??? that soon?

  • Comment 2, posted at 08.09.08 14:34:04 by molly Reply
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  • @PJLD(RIP Bernie Mac) (Comment 1) : Why not ❓ 🙄

  • Comment 3, posted at 08.09.08 14:35:50 by Charlie Reply

  • @Charlie (Comment 3) : Congrats on getting to the SLB Charles.

  • Comment 4, posted at 08.09.08 14:39:27 by PJLD(RIP Bernie Mac) Reply
  • @Charlie (Comment 3) : Oh i just don’t rate him

  • Comment 5, posted at 08.09.08 14:39:44 by PJLD(RIP Bernie Mac) Reply
  • @PJLD(RIP Bernie Mac) (Comment 4) : SLB?

    BTW, surely Saturday’s game put paid to Morne’s Steyn’s ambitions?

  • Comment 6, posted at 08.09.08 14:43:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 6) : 1 off day at the office.Ag well.

  • Comment 7, posted at 08.09.08 14:46:15 by PJLD(RIP Bernie Mac) Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 6) : Thats like saying Frans Steyn should never have had any ambitions. Cause he’s had a few bad days at the office.

  • Comment 8, posted at 08.09.08 14:49:14 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 8) : but Steyn REGULARLY folds when the pressure is on.

    Both of them, actually.

    for the record, I have no idea why FRANS Steyn is in the Boks squad either.

  • Comment 9, posted at 08.09.08 14:51:12 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 6) : I would think so. 😉

    The Ndungane brothers did well though (apart from a few knock-ons)…so that dream of seeing them run out together may come true in the near future.

    Ruan also made a very strong statement there…

  • Comment 10, posted at 08.09.08 14:52:07 by blackshark - (Well done Serena!) Reply

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  • @blackshark – (Well done Serena!) (Comment 10) : there were seriously good performances all over the park. Just not from Tiger 😉

  • Comment 11, posted at 08.09.08 15:09:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 11) : I think Tiger and Morne would appreciate that M.I.B -Memory Eraser thingy…

  • Comment 12, posted at 08.09.08 15:14:19 by blackshark - (Well done Serena!) Reply

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  • @blackshark – (Well done Serena!) (Comment 12) : all 4 Bulls props were pretty poor too

  • Comment 13, posted at 08.09.08 15:28:43 by robdylan Reply
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  • Five weeks is the bit that shocked me.

    Dan Retief is making the age old Saffa mistake of the last few years. Selecting players on CC Form when they have had no deent opposition.

    Let’s first wait and see how they fare now that the CC is the real CC again.

    That said, I believe Rose and Steyn should fight it out for the 2nd flyhalf berth on tour.

  • Comment 14, posted at 08.09.08 15:45:41 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • If you had asked me a year ago I would have laughed..but I seriously think that Rose should be given a crack at selection for the Bok squad.I did not like him at all but have changed my opnion..one can see he has worked really hard on his form and has been one of the shining stars in the Lions team.He offers something other flyhalfs don’t..something special dare I say it.

    Lay off Frans Steyn !

  • Comment 15, posted at 08.09.08 17:46:11 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 15) :

    and he hasn’t been in the media complaining about being dropped, he just put his head down and got on with the job at hand.

  • Comment 16, posted at 08.09.08 17:48:59 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 15) :

    Ditto… he certainly got some magic touches… but he still cannot tackle at CC level let alone S14…

    Also rumours on Voldy that he and Benjamin are in court on drug possession…

  • Comment 17, posted at 09.09.08 03:49:47 by bryce_in_oz Reply

  • From ‘Die Burger’ 😯

    Die voorste puntemaker in vanjaar se Curriebeker-rugbykompetisie, die Leeus-heelagter Earl Rose, verskyn na verwagting vandag in die hof op aanklag van dwelmhandel.

    Sy spanmaat Rayno Benjamin (linkervleuel) sal saam met hom in die beskuldigdebank van die Randburgse landdroshof wees…

  • Comment 18, posted at 09.09.08 07:40:02 by McLovin Reply

  • Handel. That’s not possession. That’s dealing.

  • Comment 19, posted at 09.09.08 07:43:27 by robdylan Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 18) : Small wonder they played so well.. 😯 😯 😆

  • Comment 20, posted at 09.09.08 07:44:32 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 19) : Oops, you’re sharp, as usual 😈 , but then it would be really nasty and totally unnecessary.

  • Comment 21, posted at 09.09.08 07:46:39 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • Apparently the drugs were ‘planted’ on them.

  • Comment 22, posted at 09.09.08 07:47:41 by McLovin Reply

  • @McLovin (Comment 22) :

    How else do you grow the stuff? It is supposed to be planted?

  • Comment 23, posted at 09.09.08 07:50:58 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 22) :


    It’s a conspiracy by the Bulls to ensure that Morne Steyn is the leading points scorer by the end of the CC. 😛

  • Comment 24, posted at 09.09.08 07:52:27 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 22) : Is that not what everyone that gets caught say?

    Fot their sakes I hope so, for I have little, no that should be zero sympathy for anyone found guilty of dealing in drugs. Please notice I say found guilty.

  • Comment 25, posted at 09.09.08 07:53:12 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 23) : Funny man. 😆

  • Comment 26, posted at 09.09.08 07:54:29 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 14) : The same can be said about Meisiekind 🙄

  • Comment 27, posted at 09.09.08 08:03:26 by Charlie Reply

  • @Charlie (Comment 27) : Sorry Charlie, he destoyed the Sharks best? midfield and deserves all the credit. 🙄

  • Comment 28, posted at 09.09.08 08:06:29 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • @Charlie (Comment 27) :

    Yes it can and actually has already.

    On one of the threads yesterday I mentioned that WO has not only had a good season while the Boks were away he has also shown that when they are there he can be just as potent.

  • Comment 29, posted at 09.09.08 08:12:41 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 29) :

    From the http://www.sharksworld.co.za/2008/09/08/bulls-need-outside-help/#comment-70696 thread and while me saying so doesn’t make it so, it certainly is 100% correct.

  • Comment 30, posted at 09.09.08 08:25:23 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 19) :

    Yes indeed… that’s far more serious… particularly if the Nigerians around Coke Park find out 😉

  • Comment 31, posted at 09.09.08 08:28:01 by bryce_in_oz Reply

  • @Silver Fox (Comment 28) :
    Sharks best midfield? Barritt and Steyn have hardly played together and it showed.

    Olivier will have to prove himself at the S14 before I am convinced.

  • Comment 32, posted at 09.09.08 08:28:44 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Silver Fox (Comment 28) : @KSA Shark © (Comment 29) : So Earl Rose did the same and even more consistent, IMO Meisiekind must first prove himself against the Bok incumbent centres then we’ll talk again… 😉

  • Comment 33, posted at 09.09.08 08:28:54 by Charlie Reply

  • @Charlie (Comment 33) :

    Ahhhhhhh NOW i get your angle, why didn’t i see it straight away. 😆

    Where did Earl Rose do this? this was the first week the Boks were back and if memory serves me correctly the Valke, who played the Lions this last weekend have no Boks back in their squad.

    Whereas WO played a Sharks team laden with Boks and scored two tries in that match. And don’t make the mistake of ONLY compairing him to his opposite number, he was all over the park, had a hand in one (maybe two) tries and scored two of his own.

    But to get back to your angle, don’t worry i am not pushing for him to be selected above Adi.

  • Comment 34, posted at 09.09.08 08:36:10 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 34) : Now you getting clever Johannes… 😈

  • Comment 35, posted at 09.09.08 08:45:39 by Charlie Reply

  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 34) : No worries at all… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 36, posted at 09.09.08 08:46:48 by Charlie Reply

  • @Charlie (Comment 35) :

    Hey it’s Jacobus. 😛


  • Comment 37, posted at 09.09.08 08:47:58 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 37) : Oe jinne, nogal not far from Jacobs 😆

  • Comment 38, posted at 09.09.08 08:49:11 by Charlie Reply

  • @Charlie (Comment 38) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 39, posted at 09.09.08 08:57:36 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 32) : BF, I believe I put a question mark at the Sahrks’ best midfield, suggesting it was maybe not. 😕

  • Comment 40, posted at 09.09.08 08:59:33 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • @Charlie (Comment 33) : Charlie, he is after all a Bok, had a dip in form and is back to his best. Same as Adi. I’m not saying he is suddenly the best based on one game. I am merely stating what he did on the day.

  • Comment 41, posted at 09.09.08 09:05:07 by Silver Fox Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 37) :

    Just call him Os…

  • Comment 42, posted at 09.09.08 09:07:10 by bryce_in_oz Reply

  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 42) : 😛 😛

    Oubaas will do thanks. 🙂

  • Comment 43, posted at 09.09.08 09:12:34 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Earl Rose fans will love this:

  • Comment 44, posted at 09.09.08 09:18:41 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 44) :

    it’s easier if you post the article here then they guys don’t have to leave the site to go and look 😉

    Rugby players up for drug dealing
    09/09/2008 08:04 – (SA)

    Magdel Fourie, Beeld

    Johannesburg – Two Golden Lions Rugby Union (GLRU) players are expected to appear in court on Tuesday on charges of alleged drug dealing.

    Flyhalf Earl Rose and left wing Rayno Benjamin would be in the dock together, said police spokesperson, Superintendent Eugene Opperman.

    A reliable source revealed that Rose and Benjamin were arrested with Chatna Cloete and Heinrich Gordon, in a flat in Fontainebleau, Randburg on January 31. Drugs were found in their possession.

    It was still unclear what drugs were found, but according to the source, suspects are only charged with drug dealing if a considerable amount of drugs are found.

    ‘Drugs planted’

    GLRU chief executive Manie Reyneke insisted that the drugs were “planted” on Rose and Benjamin.

    “We are aware of the charges against them. But according to our own lawyers’ investigation into the case, the drugs were planted on the players.

    “We are convinced the case against them won’t continue,” he said on Monday.

    The players’ own explanations to the union regarding the “planted drugs” were completely in line with the lawyers’ findings, he added.

    “They have not yet been found guilty. If they are found guilty, we will take serious steps against them. But let the law take its course.”

    SA Rugby spokesperson, Rayaan Adriaanse, did not want to comment. He said as it was a provincial matter, the Lions were handling it themselves.

    Rose and Benjamin could not be reached for comment.

  • Comment 45, posted at 09.09.08 09:33:54 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • If Rose has played like this all season with this case hanging over his head since January then I think he has no problem handling pressure.

  • Comment 46, posted at 09.09.08 09:34:57 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 45) : Sorry, forgot again that I should mail that stuff.

    I’ll post WHOLE articles next time, but I do like the anticipation build up waiting for the link to load and not knowing where it’ll lead 😉 .

  • Comment 47, posted at 09.09.08 09:40:30 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 47) :


  • Comment 48, posted at 09.09.08 09:45:17 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Silver Fox (Comment 25) : I agree.

  • Comment 49, posted at 09.09.08 09:49:37 by McLovin Reply

  • Heinrich Gordon? Is that Heini Gordon? Also a Lions player?

  • Comment 50, posted at 09.09.08 09:49:40 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 50) :

    Nah I think it would have been mentioned then.

  • Comment 51, posted at 09.09.08 09:53:14 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Silver Fox (Comment 41) : Ja, WO had a dip for a loooong time, but was still kept in the WC squad (out of form) by White, although Jacobs was producing the goods season after season @ that time, and not just after one single match… 😉

  • Comment 52, posted at 09.09.08 10:09:41 by Charlie Reply


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