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Wal v SA: Springbok player ratings

Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :Admin on 9 Nov 2008 at 06:59

Jan de Koning of Rugby 365 rates the Springbok players:

15 Conrad Jantjes:
Now you can see why Peter de Villiers rates him so highly. Good on the counter and solid under the high ball … not to mention that booming boot.

14 JP Pietersen:
Big hit on Shane Williams and then another crucial couple of tackles when Wales looked dangerous. His best game of the year.

13 Adrian Jacobs:
Good on defence and solid allround. Few opportunities on attack.

12 Jean de Villiers:
Rock solid defence and tried hard on attack. There was one very poor pass.

11 Bryan Habana (replaced by Steyn in the 60th minute):
Very crucial tackle just on 20 minutes – a try saving tackle that earned SA a penalty. Few chances on attack, but showed his true worth on defence and his best game in a Bok jersey this year.

10 Ruan Pienaar:
He showed he does have a sound kicking and varied his play well. Kudos to Peter de Villiers, an experiment that worked well.

9 Fourie du Preez (replaced by January in the 60th minute):
Taking pressure off Pienaar with some good tactical kicking. The steady hand behind the pack.

8 Pierre Spies (replaced by Kankowski 50th min):
Steady, but his hands let him down at times. Not his best game.

7 Juan Smith:
Great on defence as always and carrying the ball strongly. Getting back to his best after a slow start this year.

6 Schalk Burger:
Showed really good hands and a double-round for Jacobs’ try. Solid on defence, but also gave away a penalty for going off his feet at the ruck. However, he left stud marks all over the park and a star performer.

5 Victor Matfield:
As usual a tower of strength in the line-outs and good with ball in hand. There was a crucial line-out steal inside final five minutes.

4 Bakkies Botha (replaced by Bekker at half-time):
Gave away an penalty for a shoulder charge, borderline with his discipline. But allround solid work and the physical presence the Boks needed up front.

3 John Smit (captain):
No problem in scrums – in fact SA got the right shoulder as and when they wanted. He showed he is a natural tighthead. Considering the opposition it was a standout performance. Even bleeding for the cause.

2 Bismarck du Plessis:
Hard as nails. As always worked hard and provided a physical presence.

1 Beast Mtawarira (replaced by Steenkamp in the 75th minute):
Not too many carries and quiet by his standards, but does his work effectively in the set pieces.

Replacements (20 minutes or more to be rated):

16 Brian Mujati (on for Smit in 67th minute – blood bin):
Not enough time to be rated

17 Gürthro Steenkamp (on for Mtawarira in the 75th minute):
Not enough time to be rated

18 Andries Bekker (replaced Botha at half-time):
Didn’t make a single decent tackle – if fact he missed four tackles. SA lost plenty with Botha off and Bekker was worth nothing.

19 Ryan Kankowski (replaced Spies in 50th minute):
There was an early penalty and he did some hard yards, but no real impact. No better than Spies.

20 Ricky Januarie (on for Du Preez in 60th min):
Made far too many mistakes and the Boks lost that steadying influence behind the pack.

21 Frans Steyn (replaced Habana 60th minute):
He went to the wing and tried one long-range drop-goal, but otherwise no real influence.,

22 Jaque Fourie (on for Habana 60th minute):
Yellow carded two minutes after coming on – did not play long enough to be rated


  • what drivel. there is no way habana played better than ruan. ruan got at least a 7, but i would give him an 8. the only bad thing i could say about ruan is he got stuck into far too many rucks. but then again he wouldn’t have had to had schalk spies and schalk did more work.

  • Comment 1, posted at 09.11.08 07:14:58 by try time Reply
  • how can you give beast such a low score when roland allowed the welsh tighthead to stick his arse out and go in skew.

  • Comment 2, posted at 09.11.08 07:17:39 by try time Reply
  • how does jean get a six. he only did one good thing the whole game. he couldn’t pass the ball further than 2 meters. he was an embarrasment. adi was far better.

  • Comment 3, posted at 09.11.08 07:20:28 by try time Reply
  • and how can you give fourie du preez a 6, he was excellent as always. this guy has no clue. i think the only problem the boks had was too many of the same loose forward. they all did the same thing. what makes the sharks brilliant is they have 3 loosies that each plays a different role. spies was poor last night and gets a 3 from me. scalk a 6 and i never saw juan so i give him a 4.

  • Comment 4, posted at 09.11.08 07:28:51 by try time Reply
  • I think the majority of these ratings are to high.

    Unfortunately I have a plane to catch and will only be able to debate it this afternoon.


    Habana 7??????????? Never!!!! maybe he menat 0.7.
    Ruan 6????????? maybe he meant 8.

    All i can say is both experiments worked.

  • Comment 5, posted at 09.11.08 07:31:39 by KSA Shark © Reply
    KSA Shark ©
  • the welsh top rating goes to alain roland that was blatently blowing two sets of rules. the welsh scrummed illegaly, they were allowed to slow down ball. forward pass, come in from the side etc etc. so the boks get extra kudos for beating sixteen men.

  • Comment 6, posted at 09.11.08 07:32:44 by try time Reply
  • and bakkies got a 6. for what playing pig head rugby? you can’t have 5 enforcers in your forwards. you need some forwards to clear out. you have to drop at least two of the following players, bakkies schalk juan and spies. and replace with johan muller, baywatch, ryan or jacques botes

  • Comment 7, posted at 09.11.08 07:47:41 by try time Reply
  • Spot on with Bekker… his workload is atrocious and he’s a pussy…

  • Comment 8, posted at 09.11.08 08:04:52 by bryce_in_oz Reply
  • The ref was the real villain. The decision to card Mossie was frankly ludicrous

  • Comment 9, posted at 09.11.08 09:50:30 by robdylan (CC Champ '08) Reply
  • JP and Ruan also deserve 8’s, while Habana was a 4 at most.

    John really stood up well at scrum-time.

  • Comment 10, posted at 09.11.08 11:50:41 by Big Fish Reply
    Big Fish
  • @robdylan (CC Champ ‘08) (Comment 9) : The ref was embarrassing imo, unless some of the rules changed again.

    There was the incident where the guy put his foot in touch to a rolling ball and got away with it. Three ref’s missed that, or does that also now count as the kicker’s fault?

    And the ball being carried over the tryline from inside play, not a 5 metre scrum anymore? Once again three ref’s missing that.

    Help out KSA when you get back online, please!!!

  • Comment 11, posted at 09.11.08 14:36:04 by Silver Fox Reply
    Silver Fox
  • Both Habana and Juan received too high ratings, and the thing is both are the classiest players in their positions, but I think they are both tired, and may be carrying niggles. Habs and Juan should be benched the rest of the tour, and assuming they play their normally classy rugby in the Super 14 should waltz right back into the team. Spies was worthless, and a poor game by Kanko was much superior to Spies. Loosies for the next two games should be Brussow, Kanko and Schalk at 7, he is a superb ball carrier, and between him and Kanko driving forward, Brussow should be free to scavenge, his best skill set. Muller must come in for Bakkies. JP was superb on defense, 1000 times better than Habs in this game.

  • Comment 12, posted at 09.11.08 14:37:58 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • On the Ref’s.

    One match referee, two touch judge ( referee’s ), a TMO. Is that all, or are there another one called the official match referee? Or is that in cricket? Or am I confused? 😀

    Anyway, someone watching rugby with me yesterday ( a woman 😯 :mrgreen: ) asked why somebody could not talk to the referee in such an instance?

    Well, just why not??? Get a guy up there when all three down on the field made such gross mistakes to talk in his ear and tell him to stop, watch the replay and make his decision based on that. And fine all three for more than one occurrence that they got wrong.

    Not to slow down the game, for I beleive they will quickly get their act together. As it stands now, nobody can complain or you walk into Paddy and Co., who by the way loves us getting the short end of the stick.

  • Comment 13, posted at 09.11.08 14:47:41 by Silver Fox Reply
    Silver Fox
  • by the way, I have a question, when Ruan was stripped of the ball while trying to score, the referee initially indicated that he would go to the TMO. It looked to me like Ruan got up and just told the ref he had dropped the ball, and the ref went right to the 5 metre scrum before getting word from the TMO. Was the right call, and if Ruan did admit it, kudos to him too, he knew he had been stripped and wasn’t going to waste either the referee’s or the supporters time with a silly TMO decision. I wish more players would show this type of Corinthian honesty.

  • Comment 14, posted at 09.11.08 15:02:37 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Silver Fox (Comment 11) :

    I am not sure on the rolling ball. If the ball had stopped and he had done that then it would have been our throw. I need to research that one.

    Ref got the ball carried into the in-goal wrong. He can only have thought that the player caught the ball in-goal. But he has the technology available, why not use it and ask the TMO to check.

  • Comment 15, posted at 09.11.08 15:31:47 by KSA Shark © Reply
    KSA Shark ©
  • @robdylan (CC Champ ‘08) (Comment 9) :

    Make no mistake, Mossie did deserve to get penalised. I don’t want to get into but they were allowed to do it discussions.

    Fourie would have been fine had he stayed on his feet. it doesn’t matter that it was a balance issue when he fell over. He tackled the player, (legal) got to his feet and played the ball (legal) but then a split second later fell over and sealed the ball (not legal)

    Did he deserve a yellow card? for the incident in isolation, NO, but he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. It has happened before and it will happen again. A ref gives a general warning and then some poor sod who has JUST come onto the pitch is the next guy to get penalised and he has to go sit in the bin. (Wrong place wrong time)

  • Comment 16, posted at 09.11.08 15:58:05 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 16) : Have to agree and this ref was quite strict for both teams for players going off their feet to seal the ball. I had no problem with the ref on his consistency with this. All too often it is dangerous play when a player goes flying over the ruck off his feet, unfortunately for Fourie, the timing was bad, because he really fell over the ball, sealing it, it was not dangerous at all. Unfortunately, players get a little over aggressive from time to time and go for the flying big hit, silly, especially at the international level.

  • Comment 17, posted at 09.11.08 16:04:20 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 17) :

    At first when I saw him gather the ball I thought AWESOME!!!!!!!!! but before the word could form, he fell over. 🙁

  • Comment 18, posted at 09.11.08 16:20:06 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • @Silver Fox (Comment 11) :

    Okay research completed. 😉

    These are two questions from a quiz by Mark Larence sometime ago.

    4)Kicker kicks the ball from the Half way with a punt. Ball rolls towards in-goal. The receiver picks it up 1m from infield and then grounds it in-goal. Player has one foot in-goal and one foot in field.

    Select an answer.
    A) Scrum on half way line
    B) 22m drop out for receiving team
    C) Choice of scrum on half way or 22m drop out
    D) 5m scrum for receiving team
    E) 5M scrum for kicking team

    4) Law 22 def and law 22 (9)
    A defending player who has one foot on the goal line or in the in-goal who receives the ball is considered to have both feet in in-goal.


    6)Kicker kicks the ball from the Half way with a punt. Ball stops rolling near the in-goal. The receiver picks it up and takes it from infield to in-goal and then grounds it. Player has one foot in-goal and one foot in field

    Select an answer
    A) 5m Scrum for kicking team
    B) 22m drop out for receiving team
    C) Choice of scrum on half way or 22m drop out
    D) 5m scrum for receiving team
    E) Play on!

    6) as per 4 except he doesn’t receive the ball because it has stopped rolling.

  • Comment 19, posted at 09.11.08 16:43:27 by KSA Shark © Reply
    KSA Shark ©
  • The way I look at it is:

    In 4 he receives the ball and he is considered to be in-goal so he received the ball in goal in terms of the law and therefore he could dot it down legally and go for the 22 drop out. (B)

    In 6 he doesn’t RECEIVE the ball as it has stopped rolling. so it will then be a 5m scrum to the kickers team (A)

    Now the question is. Was the ball still rolling when the guy got a hand to it or had it stopped? If it was still rolling then the ref and ARs got it right.

  • Comment 20, posted at 09.11.08 16:48:18 by KSA Shark © Reply
    KSA Shark ©
  • I think I will post that WHOLE quiz here during next week sometime and have a look see how many of you pass the test. 😉

  • Comment 21, posted at 09.11.08 16:50:13 by KSA Shark © Reply
    KSA Shark ©
  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 21) :
    Why does it talk of 6 and 4 when the options are A-E?

  • Comment 22, posted at 09.11.08 16:56:50 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 21) : Thanks dude, you’re a star!!! :mrgreen:

    Sorry Ref, just open your freakin eyes next time. 😈 :mrgreen:

  • Comment 23, posted at 09.11.08 16:58:26 by Silver Fox Reply
    Silver Fox
  • @Big Fish (Comment 22) :

    Question numbers 4 and 6 from the original quiz. So in Q6 the law is the same as in Q4 except that in 6 the ball is not rolling anymore.

  • Comment 24, posted at 09.11.08 17:03:13 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 24) :
    Ja, put in in BOLDFACE now so that I look like an idiot…

  • Comment 25, posted at 09.11.08 21:24:22 by Big Fish Reply
    Big Fish
  • Inconsistent ratings there…
    I fail to see how JPP could score the same as HABANA…and how Habana scored more that Ruan…I think that says it all.

    Average performance for the Boks-especially in the 2nd half where we seemed to run out of ideas. Pleased with how the Ruan/Smit experiment worked out. Now that we’ve dealt with that pressure I hope we can concentrate on the game this time around. The Scots will find us in a different mood though.

    JdV was a bit too sloppy (by his standards) and not as brave as he usually is on attack. The rest of the backs did OK.

    Spies doesn’t deserve to start the next game.

  • Comment 26, posted at 10.11.08 08:24:22 by chernaya akula - B.O.! Reply
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  • GO BOKKE !!! ADI YOU BEAUTY !!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 27, posted at 10.11.08 08:39:14 by Charlie Reply
  • Hey Charlie…how’s Adi…read he is injured?? Any update on that?

    BTW – on a sad note…heard this morning that Miriam Makeba died in Italy? Does anyone know anything about that? 🙁

  • Comment 28, posted at 10.11.08 08:41:08 by Ice (Bébé de Glace) Reply
  • @Ice (Bébé de Glace) (Comment 28) :
    Hi Ice- yes it’s true. 😥

  • Comment 29, posted at 10.11.08 08:46:20 by chernaya akula - B.O.! Reply
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  • Not quite sure which thread is the right one to do my dear John letter…..

    An open letter to John Smit:

    Dear John Smit,

    I, and hopefully all of your other tighthead prop detractors, would like to humbly apologise for my criticism. In accordance to your statute as SA’s most successful Bok captain, you rose to the challenge and deliver a performance in the scrums to silence my negative comments. Well done and may you improve from game to game and keep that straight back.

    Yours Humbled

    Dive Pass

    PS…..Rob I you a certain drink

  • Comment 30, posted at 10.11.08 08:47:38 by Dive Pass Reply
    Dive Pass
  • may you improve from game to game and keep that straight back.

    You’ve said it all DP !!! What a skipper, what a player!

  • Comment 31, posted at 10.11.08 09:02:48 by chernaya akula - B.O.! Reply
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  • Great work John and Ruan. What happend to our first line of defence. The new 10-12 combo had a couple of gaps and if it wasn’t for JP’s brilliant scramble defence the Boks would have been in deep trouble. JP was my man of the match.
    Jantjies : 6 Very steady but o so predictable
    JP: 8.5 : Fantastic defence
    Habs : 5 Enough said
    Adi : 6 Not to many opportuinities
    Jean : 5 Shocking hands
    Ruan : 6 Generally good , but why the gaps and the backline didn’t get going- before everybody crucifies me. I really think he is our solution at 10

    Fourie: 8 I think had a blinder.I don’t know which game he was watching

    Sies : 4
    Schalk : 7
    Juan : 6
    Bakkies : 5
    Matfield 6
    Smit 7
    Bismarck 5 : Just to hardegat, needs to positively vent his anger
    Beast 5 : Very quiet for his high standards

  • Comment 32, posted at 10.11.08 09:24:57 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 32) :

    Ja Pokkel…Bismarcks little temper tantrums are worrysome..(is that even a word?? but you know what I am trying to say)…

  • Comment 33, posted at 10.11.08 09:27:21 by Ice (Bébé de Glace) Reply
  • @Pokkel (Comment 32) : Sies ??? 😯 :mrgreen:

    @Ice (Bébé de Glace) (Comment 33) : Yeah- we should arrange anger-management classes for Bis or get John Smit to give him one klap across the face.

    Oh- and I believe worrysome is a real word- but I think a lot of words are real when they are not. 😀

  • Comment 34, posted at 10.11.08 09:42:07 by chernaya akula - B.O.! Reply
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  • @chernaya akula – B.O.! (Comment 34) : Sies was an intentional mistake 😉

  • Comment 35, posted at 10.11.08 09:44:18 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 35) :
    Thought as much…
    Powell was all over though…

  • Comment 36, posted at 10.11.08 09:50:59 by chernaya akula - B.O.! Reply
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  • @chernaya akula – B.O.! (Comment 36) : Spies needs to lose some muscle, so he can wrap his arms around someone when he tackles. It pisses me off no end when players bounce of him. 👿

  • Comment 37, posted at 10.11.08 09:54:37 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 37) :

    Maybe he should listen to a little Agnetha Faltskog on his headphones on the way to the stadium.. 😈

  • Comment 38, posted at 10.11.08 10:05:01 by Ice (Bébé de Glace) Reply
  • @Ice (Bébé de Glace) (Comment 33) : isn’t it “worrisome”?

  • Comment 39, posted at 10.11.08 10:52:19 by robdylan Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 39) :

    Dont ask me! i am the dutchmen in this relationship! 😈

  • Comment 40, posted at 10.11.08 10:55:20 by Ice (Bébé de Glace) Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 39) : That looks “correcter”… :mrgreen:

    @Ice (Bébé de Glace) (Comment 40) : 😆

  • Comment 41, posted at 10.11.08 11:07:10 by chernaya akula - B.O.! Reply
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  • @Ice (Bébé de Glace) (Comment 40) : there’s always one 🙂

  • Comment 42, posted at 10.11.08 11:21:33 by robdylan Reply
  • hey – I just got 100% for my second English test! Guess I can speak a little after all

  • Comment 43, posted at 10.11.08 12:24:30 by robdylan Reply
  • Jan de Koning is definatly not going to be getting any xmas cards from the Bekker clan in the near future.

  • Comment 44, posted at 10.11.08 13:00:58 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 43) : Yay!!! :mrgreen:

    @Salmonoid (Comment 44) : He’s off the mailing list.

    But if he reckons this was Bryan’s best game in a Bok jersey this year- how [email protected] has he been? Makes me wonder…

  • Comment 45, posted at 10.11.08 13:18:18 by chernaya akula - B.O.! Reply
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