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The Irish get their shots in early

Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :All Blacks, In the news on 11 Nov 2008 at 07:17
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The Irish media have turned up the heat early in the week, ahead of their country’s clash with the world’s top-ranked team, New Zealand, at Croke Park in Dublin on Saturday.

Rugby 365 reports that the All Blacks and their pre-match war-dance, the haka, felt the sharp end of the poisonous Irish pens.

Veteran Irish rugby journalist Vincent Hogan took aim at the tourists with a barb-infested column which attacks coach Graham Henry’s personality, the side’s long-standing demeanour, their perceived lack of respect for fellow international sides, their failure to win the World Cup since 1987 and the pre-match haka.

And Hogan also hasn’t wasted any time in bringing up the actions of Keven Mealamu, who was assisted by Tana Umaga, that took Brian O’Driscoll out of the 2005 British & Irish Lions tour in the opening minutes of the first Test in Christchurch.

“You may gather that I’m not a fan,” he wrote in the Independent.

“The haka pretty much crystallises why. To question it is, apparently, to declare oneself ignorant of All Black heritage.

“Well, call this column ignorant.

“The haka is, essentially, a leery war dance. When the mode takes them, the Blacks embellish it with a gesture that, to the naked eye, looks uncannily like a promise to slit the opponent’s throat.

“Turn your back on it, as the Wallabies did in Wellington in ’96 and you risk being charged with discourtesy. Face up to it politely, as Brian O’Driscoll and the Lions did in ’05, and the chances are that you’re heading to the nearest casualty ward.

“Clive Woodward had more than a few left-field ideas about the All Blacks in ’05. One of them was that calling them by that name ‘perpetuated the aura’. His players were instructed to refer only to ‘the New Zealanders’ or the ‘New Zealand team’ in interviews. Never their preferred name, the ‘All Blacks’.

“Of course, he sent O’Driscoll to meet some Maori elders for advice on how to meet the haka ‘challenge’ (and we all know how that ended).

“Now we’re not ones to hold long-term grudges in these parts, but to hear Graham Henry refer to Keven Mealamu last week as a ‘special All Black in the way he conducts himself both on and off the field’ was to wonder if the New Zealand coach was perhaps being purposefully mischievous.

“Ordinarily, humour isn’t Henry’s thing. But that’s never stopped him getting laughs.”

Hogan added that Henry was the “perfect coaching accompaniment to the All Blacks”, stating his personality was: “Dour. Hubristic. Adversarial.”

Hogan wasted little time in reminding the All Blacks of their lengthy history of failure at successive Rugby World Cups since the victory in the first-ever tournament in 1987.

He covered that tournament, and was also hugely critical of the side’s demeanour at the 1991 event, where the All Blacks were beaten by the Wallabies at the semifinal stage.

“One of the nice things about the All Blacks coming to town is that they tell us more about ourselves than a whole year of psychotherapy,” he said.

“When they look at us they see lifelong losers. The bullying gene in their rugby DNA practically froths and bubbles at the threat of losing to opposition of our calibre. In the long history of Ireland and New Zealand playing the union game, the threat has, of course, never been fulfilled.

“And the day it is will be the day a group of men in black prepare to go home in ankle-chains.

“Outside of their own, few people love the All Blacks. New Zealand victories are, by and large, statements of power. They smash teams, they run a bus over the bodies. They play through a vaguely malignant strain of intimidation.

“So seeing them get nailed is one of rugby’s great redemptive offerings. It’s like watching the school ruffian pick the wrong fight and end up with a nosebleed.

“During the ’91 World Cup I referred to them as having all the ‘gaiety of gravediggers’. Ruthless on the field, they were robotic off it. The description seemed to cause profound offence in New Zealand.

“It was the equivalent of setting off a stink-bomb in a church.

“Religious analogies aren’t inappropriate either. New Zealanders are religious about their rugby. But then they should be. It’s pretty much all they’ve got.

“Take golfer Michael Campbell out of the equation and exactly what else do they bring to mainstream sport on the global stage?”

Hogan wrote that one of the problems with Irish rugby was that it paid the All Blacks “too much respect”.

In contrast he claimed that the All Blacks, “essentially, pay us none”.

“Since 1905, they’ve played us 21 times, won 20, drawn one. They get their kicks out of smashing our types into small pieces. Good luck to them,” he wrote.

“Yet those of us who covered the inaugural World Cup in ’87, tripping from what an English journalist referred to as ‘one wooden, bungaloid, frontier post to another’ as the All Blacks made kindling out of every opponent, could never have imagined how lonesome they would be for the Webb Ellis trophy 21 years on.

“Maybe that is the only revenge open to us as they visit now. The knowledge that nothing they do here against us poor, earth-bound people can bring absolute fulfillment.

“Or maybe, just maybe, Declan Kidney and the boys have history at their fingers.”


  • Was a fun read until he blew his credibility by suggesting they might snatch a win….its going to be a long night staring into the bottom of a pint of Guinness for this fellow

  • Comment 1, posted at 11.11.08 08:46:03 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • Sounds like a bitter article – 🙄

  • Comment 2, posted at 11.11.08 09:56:42 by Kamov Ka50 - blckshrk Reply
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  • their failure to win the World Cup since 1987

    And that was an invitational event not a RWC. 🙄

    No qualifiers were played, teams were invited. 😛

  • Comment 3, posted at 11.11.08 09:58:22 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • “Well, call this column ignorant”

    Well, I’ll do just that. This Vincent Hogan is a first class whiner. 👿

    The Haka is a rugby war dance, I love it. 😆
    The All Blacks play rugby to annihilate weaker teams, I especially love that. 😆
    WISH the Boks would cultivate that mentality. 🙁

  • Comment 4, posted at 11.11.08 10:07:54 by Silver Fox Reply
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  • Seems this oke has got a bit of an inferiority complex. Only one thing to do and that is to beat them. Doubt it would happen though.

  • Comment 5, posted at 11.11.08 10:43:14 by McLovin Reply
  • It seems the haka has caused a bit of a stir at the rugby league world cup. In the Eng v NZ match the Poms stood in a circle a not facing the haka. Some of the NZ folk then walked into the Eng half waving arms and sticking out tongues (otherwise known as the haka). Now both sides are bitching about the other lacking respect etc. 🙄

  • Comment 6, posted at 11.11.08 10:45:49 by McLovin Reply
  • @McLovin (Comment 6) :
    Why did they turn their backs ? I like watching the haka… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 7, posted at 11.11.08 10:52:21 by Kamov Ka50 - blckshrk Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 6) : who won the match? who has the bragging rights?

    I am dead keen to see a side ignore the Haka, but which side would risk that and then getting their arses kicked? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 8, posted at 11.11.08 10:53:26 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 8) : NZ won 36-24.

  • Comment 9, posted at 11.11.08 10:56:46 by McLovin Reply
  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 8) : And they will be playing each other in the semi.

  • Comment 10, posted at 11.11.08 10:58:28 by McLovin Reply
  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 8) : In 1996, the Wallabies chose to run some passing drills down the other end of the field during the All Blacks pre-match routine and were subsequently thumped 43-6 in a record loss in Wellington.

  • Comment 11, posted at 11.11.08 11:00:25 by McLovin Reply
  • Kangaroos forward Willie Mason paid the price for laughing and swearing during the Kiwis haka in 2006 when David Kidwell knocked him senseless with a ferocious tackle.

  • Comment 12, posted at 11.11.08 11:00:52 by McLovin Reply
  • @McLovin (Comment 12) : Kidwell followed up by screaming at a motionless Mason who finished the game with a facial injury.

  • Comment 13, posted at 11.11.08 11:01:21 by McLovin Reply
  • Carter makes ‘sexy’ list
    2008-11-11 09:00
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    I’m just a sexy thing… (Gallo Images)

    Auckland – His number is usually 10, but now Dan Carter is 11th on a list of the world’s sexiest men.

    American cable channel E! Entertainment included the All Blacks and Crusaders flyhalf among its 25 Sexiest Men of the World.

    The celebrity-obsessed station cast the net wide in choosing its list of hunks.

    Carter has twice been voted the sexiest New Zealand male.

    Carter, 26, is currently touring Britain and Ireland with the All Blacks who play Ireland on Saturday after beating Scotland 32-6 in their opening tour match.

    😀 😀 😀 😀

  • Comment 14, posted at 11.11.08 11:17:14 by Ice (Bébé de Glace) Reply
  • He he, I love it. This guy knows his New Zealanders.

    Its a pity the Boks are’nt playing the Irish. Id love to see the pre-game write up that that he would come up with.

  • Comment 15, posted at 11.11.08 11:18:46 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Ice (Bébé de Glace) (Comment 14) :
    What is it about him that makes him so sexy?
    I dont see it.

  • Comment 16, posted at 11.11.08 11:21:18 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 11) :

    Exactly what I mean 😆

    Has anyone ever done it and won? 😛 probably not.

  • Comment 17, posted at 11.11.08 11:29:10 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 16) :

    ARE YOU BLIND??? 😯 🙄

  • Comment 18, posted at 11.11.08 11:29:12 by Ice (Bébé de Glace) Reply
  • @Salmonoid (Comment 16) :

    Ask Mc, he supports WP, HE might see it. 😉

  • Comment 19, posted at 11.11.08 11:30:42 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • Breaking news – SARU has dropped all charges against Watson.

  • Comment 20, posted at 11.11.08 11:33:22 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 16) :

    Where to I start?? He has an incredible sexy boyish naughty smile with the dimple..he has a very tight and cute ass, a six pack I want to drink champagne off, abdominal muscles which really look great as they dissapear into his jeans…which really fits well…he is a master of rugby….do I need to go on??? 😈

  • Comment 21, posted at 11.11.08 11:35:12 by Ice (Bébé de Glace) Reply
  • @Ice (Bébé de Glace) (Comment 18) :
    Must be. I can see what women see in Ryk Neethling, Brad Pitt, Tom Cruise, but I just dont get it with Danny, thats why I asked what it was that made him so sexy.
    @KSA Shark © (Comment 19) : 😆

  • Comment 22, posted at 11.11.08 11:38:37 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 20) :

    You lie! 😯

  • Comment 23, posted at 11.11.08 11:39:04 by Ice (Bébé de Glace) Reply
  • @Ice (Bébé de Glace) (Comment 14) :

    🙄 Is Fred on the list though?

  • Comment 24, posted at 11.11.08 11:40:38 by Kamov Ka50 - blckshrk Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 22) :

    i just told you…He has a bit more ‘rugged” look, but still pretty..as for RYK – I reckon he is the most perfect man alive..and even better looking in real life…

    Oh – and you dont need to be “pretty” to be sexy or attractive…so there’s hope.. 😉 Just kidding!!

  • Comment 25, posted at 11.11.08 11:41:37 by Ice (Bébé de Glace) Reply
  • @Ice (Bébé de Glace) (Comment 21) :
    Well you have obviously seen a lot more of him than I have.

  • Comment 26, posted at 11.11.08 11:42:41 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 26) :

    😎 😉

  • Comment 27, posted at 11.11.08 11:43:43 by Ice (Bébé de Glace) Reply
  • @Salmonoid (Comment 20) :

    Now – are you really serious?? ❓

  • Comment 28, posted at 11.11.08 11:44:08 by Ice (Bébé de Glace) Reply
  • @Ice (Bébé de Glace) (Comment 23) :
    No, no lie. Seems I got the story before you this time.

  • Comment 29, posted at 11.11.08 11:44:28 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 20) : where did you hear that, Salmo?

  • Comment 30, posted at 11.11.08 11:45:23 by robdylan Reply
  • @Ice (Bébé de Glace) (Comment 28) :
    No further information – just that charges have been dropped.

  • Comment 31, posted at 11.11.08 11:51:02 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 30) :
    From my very reliable, unwavering sauce. 😆

  • Comment 32, posted at 11.11.08 11:52:34 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 30) :
    Actually on 702.

  • Comment 33, posted at 11.11.08 11:53:34 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 31) :

    How do one need to have faith in our systems if this is the way it goes?? Or was he framed?? 🙄

    Seems Gauntlett steam rollered them… 👿

  • Comment 34, posted at 11.11.08 12:00:37 by Ice (Bébé de Glace) Reply
  • right…

  • Comment 35, posted at 11.11.08 12:07:24 by robdylan Reply
  • right…what?? 😮

  • Comment 36, posted at 11.11.08 12:13:35 by Ice (Bébé de Glace) Reply
  • @Ice (Bébé de Glace) (Comment 14) : Who are the other 24? And where is the Beast on that list? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 37, posted at 11.11.08 12:21:06 by McLovin Reply
  • @McLovin (Comment 37) :

    I dont know maybe I should make my list.. 😉

    Beast could qualify as Nr 1! 😀 😉

  • Comment 38, posted at 11.11.08 12:23:18 by Ice (Bébé de Glace) Reply
  • This game is probably not even going to be close but how good for world rugby would it be if the Paddys could roll over the ABs?

  • Comment 39, posted at 11.11.08 15:30:04 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • Oh my oath!

    Look what the cat dragged in!

    Howzit Vinnie??? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 40, posted at 11.11.08 15:31:36 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 40) :

    hehe. Howzit brew!
    Day two in my new job! Not been fired yet…

  • Comment 41, posted at 11.11.08 15:59:37 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 41) : spend as much time as you can on Sharksworld, then… 🙂

  • Comment 42, posted at 11.11.08 16:17:43 by robdylan Reply
  • @Ice (Bébé de Glace) (Comment 21) : I concur on all of the points mentioned but if I added him to my own personal list, it’d be like sacrilege.

  • Comment 43, posted at 12.11.08 16:29:30 by Milissa (2008 CC Champs!) Reply
  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 39) : That would be awesome, I don’t think it’ll make much of a difference but I’ll be up and supporting IRE but my green jersey isn’t nearly as lucky as my Sharks jersey.

    Although I will admit that on Monday, I did put my IRE shirt in the same bag in hopes that some of the Sharks luck would ‘rub off’ on it. 😆

  • Comment 44, posted at 12.11.08 16:31:36 by Milissa (2008 CC Champs!) Reply

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