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Scots v Boks: Springbok player ratings

Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :Admin on 16 Nov 2008 at 07:10

Rugby 365’s Paul Dobson rates the Springbok players.

15 Conrad Jantjes:
He gets through a huge amount of work and does it so bravely and with such skill.

14 JP Pietersen:
Did well out of the air once – catching a Springbok kick and near the end marking a Scottish kick. His pass helped to make Fourie’s try possible.

13 Adi Jacobs:
He can run, he can pass and he can tackle. He had a vital pass in Fourie’s try and a vital tackle on Cairns near the end.

12 Jean de Villiers:
Two great runs and left the Scottish centres with little attacking possibility.

11 Bryan Habana:
There is something wrong. He just is not playing. Fourie replaced him early in the second half and showed how a wing can play.

10 Ruan Pienaar:
Not the dominating force he was against Wales when he had Fourie du Preez inside of him but he did kick those vital kicks.

9 Ricky Januarie:
His judgement is not the greatest and later he was back to his three-step passing. Trying to bash through Murray is not bright for a man of his stature.

8 Pierre Spies:
Much, much better though his hands were wonky on occasion.

7 Juan Smith:
His tackling is devastating and his positional play exceptional.

6 Schalk Burger:
He was as energetic and committed as ever.

5 Victor Matfield:
Again won the line-outs that counted most.

4 Bakkies Botha:
He is strong but not yet dominant.

3 John Smit:
Back at hooker and looking back at ease. He ran well and threw immaculately.

2 Bismarck du Plessis:
Off after four minutes. Not long enough to be rated.

1 Beast Mtawarira:
He was good – scrummed well and rumbled well


16 Brian Mujati:
Played for 75 minutes. His scrumming is not powerful and he gave away three penalties.

22 Jaque Fourie:
Showed how a wing should wing should play and scored the match-winning try.

17 Gürthro Steenkamp was on briefly before limping off again;
18 Andries Bekker was on to have a good run, tackle well and win a line-out;
19 Ryan Kankowski was on without being noticed;
20 Danie Rossouw was on quietly;
21 Frans Steyn had 15 minutes an made a contribution with his determined tackling and booming boot.


  • Gee, according to these ratings, you’d think we won by 20 points

  • Comment 1, posted at 16.11.08 09:17:57 by robdylan Reply
  • He certainly is a lot me generous than Jan De koning was last week. 😆

  • Comment 2, posted at 16.11.08 09:20:23 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • Problem with the Boks right now is that they’re playing as individuals

  • Comment 3, posted at 16.11.08 09:36:37 by robdylan Reply
  • I know this isn’t something most people want to hear, but a lot of the blame for the Bok’s not firing as a team is because of the link between the forwards and backs, namely Januarie. He was very very poor, slow getting to the breakdown, which slowed down the feed to Pienaar which left very little available to him. He was back to his “taking steps before he passes” very worst. He didn’t harass his opposition like he usually does. He was not a terrier, his delivery was slow, and he was slow getting to the breakdown. I saw more players cover scrumhalf than we ever see with FdP. Scrumhalf is such an important position to the team dynamic, that a poor game like Januarie’s really does hurt the Boks. I hope with all my heart that FdP is better for next week.

    Mujati’s scrumming was poor at best, but he got into a lot of work around the park, so will hold off on criticism this week.

  • Comment 4, posted at 16.11.08 14:49:02 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 4) :
    Fully agree on Ricky – he was beyond poor; he was shocking in every facet of scrumhalf play.

    And I am a fan. 😥

  • Comment 5, posted at 16.11.08 15:01:07 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 4) : Was expecting you to let Mujati have it 🙂

  • Comment 6, posted at 16.11.08 15:55:37 by robdylan Reply
  • What’s Johann Muller’s favourite thing to say in an interview?

  • Comment 7, posted at 16.11.08 16:07:42 by klempie Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 6) : The fact that they are bringing Jannie in, right into the 3 jersey ahead of Mujati says all that needs to be said about him. My problem is it is not fair for Mujati, he needs another season or two at Super 14 and I believe he will be international quality. He really did get into a lot of work around the park, but his scrumming was poor.

    Smit seemed to relish the looser game he could play at hooker, he was very prominent around the park.

    I hope they move JP to 11 and bring in Odwa for the England game. I honestly think Odwa is playing the very best rugby of his career. Always looking for work, runs great lines, has become an excellent distributor as will as finisher. He is superb under the high ball, big strong, and his kicking out of hand ain’t bad either (not to mention he is 1 for 1 in drop kick conversions).

  • Comment 8, posted at 17.11.08 04:53:10 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Something I can’t undestand is why do they continue to play the best 8th man in South Africa for only 6 minutes???????????? 👿 👿

  • Comment 9, posted at 17.11.08 06:43:16 by Reds Reply
  • 13 Adi Jacobs:
    He can run, he can pass and he can tackle. He had a vital pass in Fourie’s try and a vital tackle on Cairns near the end.

    Say no more :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

    GO BOKKE !!!

    ADI YOU BEAUTY !!! 😆

  • Comment 10, posted at 17.11.08 07:47:25 by Charlie Reply
  • So…Ricky and Habana had bad games…the rest of the players were 7’s and 8’s…and yet we beat Scotland by only 4 points??? 😕

  • Comment 11, posted at 17.11.08 08:11:31 by blckshrk - BUCANEER Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 4) : Didn’t get to see the game but i believe that is a good thing.

  • Comment 12, posted at 17.11.08 08:33:27 by PJLD Reply
  • @blckshrk – BUCANEER (Comment 11) : Agreed,but it was a strange game though. I felt during the game that we played some good rugby,but couldn’t score. I don’t like mentioning the ref,but he was especially strict at the breakdown which really caused the Bok loosies to be hesitant and there was no continuity.

  • Comment 13, posted at 17.11.08 08:40:42 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Lokking at the comments…glad I missed the game and only heard the final score… 😕

  • Comment 14, posted at 17.11.08 08:42:36 by Ice (Bébé de Glace) Reply
  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 4) : The scrumhalf position is vital and apart from the poor refereeing Ricky didn’t distribute well at all . Individually a lot of players had good games(even Spies) but as a team things fell apart

  • Comment 15, posted at 17.11.08 08:43:15 by Pokkel Reply
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  • And WTF is wrong with Habana, it must be the worst game I’ve seen him play 👿

  • Comment 16, posted at 17.11.08 08:44:17 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 16) :
    I think it was evident as far back as the Currie Cup final that Habana is either carrying a niggle or just needs a very good break, he firstly lost some pace and now seems to have lost his confidence because of it.

  • Comment 17, posted at 17.11.08 09:03:23 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Ice (Bébé de Glace) (Comment 14) : I missed the game as well…I was watching the soccer derby . Go PIRATES!!!

    @Pokkel (Comment 13) : I heard about the ref being harsh…

    A win is a win…but come on…we can do so much better.

  • Comment 18, posted at 17.11.08 09:05:55 by blckshrk - BUCANEER Reply
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  • Bryce will be impressed with Mr Dobsons assesment of Bekkers game. 😆

  • Comment 19, posted at 17.11.08 09:05:58 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @blckshrk – BUCANEER (Comment 11) :

    I would love to see jan De Knonings ratings. you never appreciate what you got until it’s gone. 😉

    I think his would have been closer to the true performances given by the Boks.

  • Comment 20, posted at 17.11.08 09:06:13 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 17) :

    He had an iffy season all along and when oom Stef ran around him there was talk that he had a hamstring injury.

    Well IMO they should have let him recover from that completely before sending him on tour. If he deserved to go at all.

    BUT he is not the only player that is on tour because of his PAST performances. Spies is another that comes to mind. And I would almost have added MAtfield to that list but he did have a much better game on Saturday.

  • Comment 21, posted at 17.11.08 09:09:40 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 17) : Thats my take on the Habana situation too..

    @KSA Shark © (Comment 21) :
    He had an iffy season all along and when oom Stef ran around him there was talk that he had a hamstring injury. …and a huge ego injury too.. 😉

  • Comment 22, posted at 17.11.08 09:15:29 by Ice (Bébé de Glace) Reply
  • I think Matfield was good the last 2 weekends. Do you think his earlier experience in France helped in this context.

  • Comment 23, posted at 17.11.08 09:15:59 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @blckshrk – BUCANEER (Comment 18) :

    I was at my school reunion…. 😀

  • Comment 24, posted at 17.11.08 09:19:26 by Ice (Bébé de Glace) Reply
  • @Salmonoid (Comment 23) :

    let me qlarify before anyone thinks I am going soft.

    Matfield improved his game in two aspects IMO.
    1) he was not ALWAYS out on the wing which made me happier, but he still seems “bang” to commit to a ruck in cleaning out etc.

    2) his lineout takes were awesome again. Am not sure if this is a good thing for Matfield or a bad thing for Bismarck. i.e. maybe his lineouts have always been okay but he didn’t have a decent thrower.

  • Comment 25, posted at 17.11.08 09:20:21 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • @Ice (Bébé de Glace) (Comment 24) : Yeah – you were looking forward to that. How did it go? Any ghosts from the past? He he he… 😛

  • Comment 26, posted at 17.11.08 09:25:15 by blckshrk - BUCANEER Reply
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  • @blckshrk – BUCANEER (Comment 26) :

    It was so much fun…have not laughed like that in YEARS!! Must also say that I cannot believe that I actually liked some of the boys at school….I am so lucky to have my ‘jong bokkie”!! 😈 :mrgreen:

    And…I am so tired…went to bed at about 4 (my old maths teacher babysat for us and they slept over at her place, so we could relax.) However…instead of relax, we party’ed up a STORM!! 😆

  • Comment 27, posted at 17.11.08 09:31:41 by Ice (Bébé de Glace) Reply
  • This oke’s ratings is about as bad as the Bok’s performance on Saturday. 😈

    But we might be fortunate, now no-one SHOULD go into the England game with an inflated head.

  • Comment 28, posted at 17.11.08 09:50:17 by Silver Fox Reply
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  • @Silver Fox (Comment 28) :
    “But we might be fortunate, now no-one SHOULD go into the England game with an inflated head.”

    …..Unless they also read these ratings and then we will be in the dwang.

  • Comment 29, posted at 17.11.08 10:00:07 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • My oorlede ou vader het my eenkeer vertel van die oom van hom wat daar op Keimoes op sy sterfbed gelê het met sy hele familie om sy bed geskaar.

    Maar die oom veg teen die doodsengel en die kinders wag en wag maar, want wat kan hulle anners doen en die son bak op die sinkdak en die windpomp tjier-tjier by die sementdam. En dit raak doodstil en die oom hou op asemhaal. Heeltemal. Maar net toe almal dink nou’s dit genadiglik verby, vlieg die oom se oë weer oop, vang hy ’n teug Gariep-lug en sê: “Hiertjou, amper het ek nou my gat gesien!”

    Hoekom ek weer aan dié ou storietjie gedink het? Nee wat, ek het maar net Saterdag die arme sterwende ou Springbokkie daar op Murrayfield so bekyk en daai slegte gevoelente gekry dat die einde nou bitter naby is. Ongelukkig lyk dit my nie of hulle nog ’n asemteugie oor het vir eerskomende naweek teen die Ingelse nie, so ek staal my maar vir die ergste en begin maar eerder my kispak regkry terwyl Ouma Tinkie al volstoom bak aan die begrafnismelkterte en Hertzoggies.

    Oom Johnny sê arme ou Divvie begin vir hom daar op die paviljoen al amper so verskrik lyk soos ou Mac destyds. Lyk soos ’n haas in ’n skietlig die oomblik voordat hy vir oulaas die .22 hoor klap, of soos ’n ou wat in een van daai treintjies by die Paasskou deur die spookhuis ry.

    “Daai man kort ’n lang vakansie en ek wonder of hy nie maar moet see toe voor Saterdag nie. Nee, manne, met my oumagrootjie en ouma en haar sustertjies in die konsentrasiekampe, weet ek nie mooi of ek weer kans sien vir hierdie naweek nie.

    “Kyk, as ek nou al ooit na Piet van Zyl verlang het, was dit Saterdag met daai klein dwerg van ’n skeidsslegter. Behalwe dat hy so vrek skelm was, is hy so kort dat hy sy kortbroek se soom moes opslaan. Hy kan nie eers bo-oor ’n skrum kyk nie! G’n wonder onse mense sukkel so met ons harte nie!”

    Ek het mos heeltyd vermoed hierdie ou landjie van ons se manne is kwaaier as die ouens in ander lande en nou is dit bewys in ’n studie van Unisa oor onnatuurlike sterftes.

    Soos daai slim proffie sê: “Ons is dalk nie die armste in Afrika nie, maar beslis die kwaadste.”

    En hoekom is dit nie vir my ’n verrassing nie? Waar jy by die Engelse mos omtrent net angry kan wees en jou stywe bolip stukkend kan kou oor ’n vrot skeidsslegter, kan jy by ons (in omtrent hierdie volgorde) omgekrap wees, kwaai, moerig, kwaad, de duiwel in, boos, de donner in, woedend, de moer in en as jy nou regtig siedend kwaad is, de bliksem in (verskoon maar my Frans, maar dis waar!)

    Ja, en ons is mos nie net kwaad vir rugbyskeidsslegters nie. Nee, sommer vir enigiets en enigiemand: taxi’s, ou tannies wat stadig ry, spietkops, die kinders se onderwysers, Binnelandse Slape, Malema, Mugabe of vir Luke. Kwaai, man, kwaai! En dan jaag ons kindertjies nog met kwaadfietse ook rond!

    Haai, en so van ou Lukie gepraat: ja, my maat, jy het besluit jy wil nie weer die ou Bokkie op jou trui sien nie, so al wat ons kan sê is: ons gaan jou mis!

    En onthou, moenie moed verloor nie, daar is mense wat nog steeds dink jy is goed genoeg om vir jou land te speel.

    Jou pa en jou oom Kotsphela.

    :mrgreen: :mrgreen: (Apologies to the English bloggers)

  • Comment 30, posted at 17.11.08 10:30:47 by Ice (Bébé de Glace) Reply
  • @Ice (Bébé de Glace) (Comment 30) : interesting. I also see the parallels between Div and Mac…

  • Comment 31, posted at 17.11.08 10:48:46 by robdylan Reply

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