Bulls snap up Jaco Pretorius

Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Bulls, Original Content, Super 14 on 18 Nov 2008 at 19:11
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Lions fans – don’t read this!

Stalwart Lions centre Jaco Pretorius has signed a contract to represent the Bulls in the 2009 Super 14. The elusive three-quarter has been a part of the Lions set-up for the last 11 years and has represented them over 80 times in first-class games. Pretorius is a former national sevens captain and was also capped for the Springboks under Jake White.

Pretorius is independently very wealthy and is one of the lucky few who can afford to play professional rugby for the love of it, rather than because he needs the money. We can probably surmise that he’s not moving to the Bulls because they’ve offered him a better deal; rather he wants to move away from the Lions because, in his own words, his career is “stagnating” in Johannesburg.

As an outside centre, Pretorius will challenge strongly for the Bulls number 13 jersey, currently the exclusive preserve of hardman JP Nel. Don’t be too surprised to see the 29-year-old flourish outside Wynand Olivier, should the latter learn how to pass during the off-season.

For the Lions, it’s a case of their woes continuing. Having already lost Tromphie Nontshigna to Griquas and Andre Pretorius to long-term injury, Pretorius, Jacque Fourie and Janno Vermaak were really the only top quality backline players in the squad. With Pretorius leaving, things are going to go from bad to worse for the Joburg team as they look to reap the rewards of the 3-year “rebuilding” program we keep hearing so much about.

A word of advice, Lions: you can’t build anything if all your players leave.


  • I think it’s time for Hmmmm to write another email.

  • Comment 1, posted at 18.11.08 19:12:34 by robdylan Reply
  • dammit rob i wanted to say that.

  • Comment 2, posted at 18.11.08 19:25:39 by PJLD Reply
  • 😆 @robdylan (Comment 1) : you mean if i do start that pool about when Hmm will be writing his first letter, then i better start it SOON. 😛

  • Comment 3, posted at 18.11.08 19:29:45 by KSA Shark © Reply
    KSA Shark ©
  • @PJLD (Comment 2) : He he. Sorry dude 🙂

  • Comment 4, posted at 18.11.08 19:30:31 by robdylan Reply
  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 3) : 😆

  • Comment 5, posted at 18.11.08 19:31:32 by PJLD Reply
  • Coffeeshopbok is gonna be so pissed off. Lions to end the S14 in the bottom 3 AGAIN. LOL

  • Comment 6, posted at 18.11.08 19:40:35 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 6) : lions to end at the how rich is jaco?

  • Comment 7, posted at 18.11.08 19:44:19 by PJLD Reply
  • Yoh Roberto! Where art thou?

  • Comment 8, posted at 18.11.08 19:53:57 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 6) :

    I think Walter may be a little pissed about this as well.

  • Comment 9, posted at 18.11.08 19:55:41 by KSA Shark © Reply
    KSA Shark ©
  • So if fourie gets injured who will be the starting outside centre? Jannie Boshoff? Walter Venter?

  • Comment 10, posted at 18.11.08 19:59:56 by wpw Reply
  • From:

    The Union will begin discussions with the following players shortly whose contracts expire on 31 October 2009.


    So can someone tell me is this the same Bulls union that are whining about Their Defence coach going to Leicester and took bakkies to court on principal becasue of his contract expiry date?

  • Comment 11, posted at 18.11.08 20:06:20 by KSA Shark © Reply
    KSA Shark ©
  • Aaah, this is more wise spending by Coca-Cola RFC.

    Trompie was being “outrageous” in his monetary demands, and Jaco P probably wanted to play – the sheer effrontery!

    As I recall, young Hmmm was no Jaco fan anyway…

  • Comment 12, posted at 18.11.08 20:07:15 by Big Fish Reply
    Big Fish
  • Actually not too bothered really..he has been pretty average for sometime should fit in well at the Bulls.Besides J Fourie and Boshoff can cover that position.

  • Comment 13, posted at 18.11.08 20:15:20 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 8) : Here

  • Comment 14, posted at 18.11.08 21:16:29 by robdylan Reply
  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 11) : Nice work, Inspector B:-)

  • Comment 15, posted at 18.11.08 21:17:37 by robdylan Reply
  • Get real….Jaco P was one of our best…look at that brilliant try he scored against the Bulls this year in our victory over them at Loftus.

    He played his 50th match in the semi against you guys, and in that 50 matches he scored 30 tries for us, not a bad strike rate (60%)

    I think it’s a huge, huge, huge…did I SAY HUGE Loss….LOL!

  • Comment 16, posted at 19.11.08 10:22:33 by walter van Reply
    walter van Lions World
  • I think he was a good player for you guys Walter. He might just be much better now that he’s moved to the Bulls.

    If Olivier plays as well as he has this year then Jaco will score loads of tries.

  • Comment 17, posted at 19.11.08 10:35:29 by wpw Reply
  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 11) :

    Andre, other unions are allowed to approach contracted players in the window period and make them an offer, all that then happens is that the offering union also has to pay the union that holds the contract a price made by the holding union.

    So in this case the Lions also got some money out of the deal and it wasn’t illegal by the Bulls.

  • Comment 18, posted at 19.11.08 10:37:33 by walter van Reply
    walter van Lions World
  • @walter van (Comment 16) : so what’s the story behind the story, Walt?

  • Comment 19, posted at 19.11.08 10:37:46 by robdylan Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 17) :

    I can see that he might just be able to play himself into Bok contention again at the Bulls, so it’s obviously the best for his career and I wish him well, just very sad that our union let him go so easily. From what I hear he really wanted to stay with us.

  • Comment 20, posted at 19.11.08 10:40:00 by walter van Reply
    walter van Lions World
  • @robdylan (Comment 19) :

    The story behind the story is that he wanted to stay, but the Lions didn’t want to match his offer he got from the Bulls.

    Remember also that Jaco isn’t rich, his dad is rich. So he has to look at his finances as he’s got a wife and kid to support.

  • Comment 21, posted at 19.11.08 10:42:12 by walter van Reply
    walter van Lions World
  • @walter van (Comment 21) : ah – so in other words, my story was kak 🙂

    that’s pretty swak on the part of the Lions, though… I mean, you simply HAVE to retain your top players.

  • Comment 22, posted at 19.11.08 10:45:18 by robdylan Reply
  • Huge loss indeed…

  • Comment 23, posted at 19.11.08 10:45:51 by bryce_in_oz Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 22) :

    I can’t for one moment understand the union’s thinking to let him go…

  • Comment 24, posted at 19.11.08 10:48:04 by walter van Reply
    walter van Lions World
  • @walter van (Comment 24) : they obviously reckon that they have their 13 in Fourie, so why bother paying top dollar to hang onto the second-choice player…

  • Comment 25, posted at 19.11.08 10:50:33 by robdylan Reply
  • @walter van (Comment 24) : Agreed. It strikes me that they could do a better job at the Lions with player retention

  • Comment 26, posted at 19.11.08 10:54:23 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
    Worcestershire Sauce
  • @robdylan (Comment 25) :

    Not sure about that, Jaque will be with the Boks most of next year. We bought the 13 from the Valke, Cloete, who will probably be the number 2 or perhaps they think Justin st Jerry is ready to take the step up.

  • Comment 27, posted at 19.11.08 10:56:10 by walter van Reply
    walter van Lions World
  • Walter

    Who will be playing 12 for you guys in the S14??

    Doppies?? Walter Venter??

    Earl?? lol

  • Comment 28, posted at 19.11.08 10:58:34 by wpw Reply
  • I’m trying to get something “on the record” from the CEO but no luck as yet.

  • Comment 29, posted at 19.11.08 10:58:37 by walter van Reply
    walter van Lions World
  • @wpw (Comment 28) :

    It’s between Doppies and Walter Venter for 12. They’re both good players.

  • Comment 30, posted at 19.11.08 10:59:59 by walter van Reply
    walter van Lions World
  • @walter van (Comment 27) : you guys are once again going to have a great set of forwards and no backs to speak of. What about flyhalf? Are they throwing all their eggs into the Petoors basket again? Or is he still crocked?

  • Comment 31, posted at 19.11.08 11:06:11 by robdylan Reply
  • @walter van (Comment 27) :

    Walter, another question:

    Do you have any idea what the U19 and U21 players earn at the Lions???

    My reason for asking, I read an interview with Mujati a few months ago where he said he was earning something like R500-00 a month when he joined the Lions. Can this be??? 🙄

  • Comment 32, posted at 19.11.08 11:07:30 by wpw Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 31) :

    They reckon Petoors will play. Personally I’m not convinced. I know they are still trying to get that contracted Flyhalf to join us. Don’t know when they will give up.

  • Comment 33, posted at 19.11.08 11:09:34 by walter van Reply
    walter van Lions World
  • @wpw (Comment 32) :

    I don’t have a clue, but I can try and find out for you…remember though that players are always graded, and that not everyone in the group will be on the same pay.

  • Comment 34, posted at 19.11.08 11:13:20 by walter van Reply
    walter van Lions World
  • @walter van (Comment 33) : which contracted flyhalf is that?

  • Comment 35, posted at 19.11.08 11:16:23 by robdylan Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 35) :

    The one we’ve been chasing for a long time.

  • Comment 36, posted at 19.11.08 11:18:20 by walter van Reply
    walter van Lions World
  • @walter van (Comment 21) :

    But then why not Pulls a Bulls and say NO. Take us to court if you want, we are not interested in getting Money for you we want YOU.

    After-all that is what the Bulls did with Bakkies. They said NO and he tried to get around it but lost.

  • Comment 37, posted at 19.11.08 11:22:04 by KSA Shark © Reply
    KSA Shark ©
  • @walter van (Comment 29) :

    he’s keen to speak to Hmmm. Maybe you should ask Hmmm to give him a call. 😉

  • Comment 38, posted at 19.11.08 11:23:57 by KSA Shark © Reply
    KSA Shark ©
  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 37) :

    That’s the whole bloody problem, the Lions made their price and the Bulls paid.

  • Comment 39, posted at 19.11.08 11:25:24 by walter van Reply
    walter van Lions World
  • Naas Olivier??? 😯

  • Comment 40, posted at 19.11.08 11:26:11 by wpw Reply
  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 38) :

    I’ve got his number but I prefer to mail him. He has phoned me a few times in the past.

  • Comment 41, posted at 19.11.08 11:27:02 by walter van Reply
    walter van Lions World
  • @wpw (Comment 40) :

    Naas Olivier???

  • Comment 42, posted at 19.11.08 11:28:23 by walter van Reply
    walter van Lions World
  • @walter van (Comment 42) :


  • Comment 43, posted at 19.11.08 11:29:07 by KSA Shark © Reply
    KSA Shark ©
  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 43) :

    Sorry, couldn’t help myself….LOL!

  • Comment 44, posted at 19.11.08 11:32:52 by walter van Reply
    walter van Lions World
  • @walter van (Comment 44) : Its fine.

    :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

    So do you also think Willie Meyer should have been on tour with the Boks???

  • Comment 45, posted at 19.11.08 11:43:07 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 45) :

    In what capacity?

  • Comment 46, posted at 19.11.08 11:49:43 by walter van Reply
    walter van Lions World
  • @walter van (Comment 46) :

    As back up hooker to Bismarck.

  • Comment 47, posted at 19.11.08 12:02:58 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 47) :

    Willie Meyer is a retired prop! He last played in the 2002 season…

  • Comment 48, posted at 19.11.08 12:05:25 by walter van Reply
    walter van Lions World
  • @walter van (Comment 48) :


    I think he meant Willie Wepener. 🙂 I should know I’ve made a similar mistake before

  • Comment 49, posted at 19.11.08 12:10:47 by KSA Shark © Reply
    KSA Shark ©
  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 49) :

    I think Willie Wepener is currently a better hooker than Chilliface…only thing is that the Lions overplayed Wepener a bit in the Currie Cup and I think towards the end of the season he was exhausted

  • Comment 50, posted at 19.11.08 12:14:07 by walter van Reply
    walter van Lions World
  • @wpw (Comment 32) :

    Okay, I spoke to someone that was under 21 3 years ago, they only got match fees, and only for important games, and then never more than about R1000

  • Comment 51, posted at 19.11.08 12:20:19 by walter van Reply
    walter van Lions World
  • @walter van (Comment 50) :

    That is Loffie’s limited sub policy coming back to bite him in the arse.

  • Comment 52, posted at 19.11.08 12:30:18 by KSA Shark © Reply
    KSA Shark ©
  • @walter van (Comment 51) :

    Are those contracted players though?

  • Comment 53, posted at 19.11.08 12:30:52 by KSA Shark © Reply
    KSA Shark ©
  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 53) :

    Yes, the guy in question played from under 19 to under 21. So they only got paid that match fee when they WON what was considered to be important matches. I’m pretty sure that would have changed though, I’m sure the youngsters are now on paid contracts. I’m facebook friends with a few of them, so will ask.

  • Comment 54, posted at 19.11.08 12:34:45 by walter van Reply
    walter van Lions World
  • @walter van (Comment 54) : it’s a wonderful stalking tool, isn’t it?

  • Comment 55, posted at 19.11.08 12:40:53 by robdylan Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 55) :

    great stuff

  • Comment 56, posted at 19.11.08 12:42:59 by walter van Reply
    walter van Lions World
  • @walter van (Comment 56) : must say, I think you use it very well to promote your site. I think I need to start doing the same

  • Comment 57, posted at 19.11.08 12:53:30 by robdylan Reply

    Slow start by the Proteas…or is it the Protea Springboks…Springbok Proteas? err…. 😕

  • Comment 58, posted at 19.11.08 12:56:13 by klempie Reply
  • @walter van (Comment 48) : I was taking the piss dude and referring to Hmmm’s comments he made yesterday.

  • Comment 59, posted at 19.11.08 12:58:59 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 59) : wes – you need to try harder to let people know when you’re neing funny… at the moment, you’re just coming across as an angry little guy with a chip on your shoulder 🙂

    BTW, I think you need to upload a new picture. Guess we lost yours during the upgrade

  • Comment 60, posted at 19.11.08 13:23:39 by robdylan Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 60) :

    it took up to much space so it had to be cut from the site. 😆

  • Comment 61, posted at 19.11.08 13:36:57 by KSA Shark © Reply
    KSA Shark ©
  • @wpw (Comment 59) :

    Sorry, I missed that, wasn’t here yesterday.

  • Comment 62, posted at 19.11.08 13:38:43 by walter van Reply
    walter van Lions World
  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 61) : man – top form today, KSA! 🙂

  • Comment 63, posted at 19.11.08 13:39:50 by robdylan Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 57) :

    It really works well for the promotion of my site. My site has been going 12 years, and last month (October) was my best month ever.

  • Comment 64, posted at 19.11.08 13:41:02 by walter van Reply
    walter van Lions World
  • @robdylan (Comment 60) :

  • Comment 65, posted at 19.11.08 13:41:17 by wpw Reply
  • @walter van (Comment 64) : may I ask what sort of monthly traffic you get? You can send me an email if you don’t want to discuss it here.

  • Comment 66, posted at 19.11.08 13:51:05 by robdylan Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 66) :

    I don’t mind telling you…my page impressions for October was 61515, and that is also my best month ever.

  • Comment 67, posted at 19.11.08 13:54:56 by walter van Reply
    walter van Lions World
  • @walter van (Comment 67) : Show off!!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 68, posted at 19.11.08 14:15:59 by wpw Reply
  • @walter van (Comment 67) : ok – I won’t tell you what ours were, then 🙂

  • Comment 69, posted at 19.11.08 14:17:41 by robdylan Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 63) :

    It’s “friday” afternoon and playing TWIRL is keeping my mind sharp. 😳

  • Comment 70, posted at 19.11.08 14:18:37 by KSA Shark © Reply
    KSA Shark ©
  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 70) : wot’s twirl?

  • Comment 71, posted at 19.11.08 14:21:24 by robdylan Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 69) :

    Is it more or less?

  • Comment 72, posted at 19.11.08 14:22:02 by walter van Reply
    walter van Lions World
  • @robdylan (Comment 71) :

    It’s on facebook.

    they give you 6 letters and you have to unscarmable them to make as many words as possible in 90sec.

    just search for twirl.

  • Comment 73, posted at 19.11.08 14:24:28 by KSA Shark © Reply
    KSA Shark ©
  • Anyway i would love to sit hear and chew the fat with you guys all day, but I have to go home now, my weekend has started. :mrgreen: 😎

  • Comment 74, posted at 19.11.08 14:30:39 by KSA Shark © Reply
    KSA Shark ©
  • @walter van (Comment 72) : it’s a bit more

  • Comment 75, posted at 19.11.08 14:40:51 by robdylan Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 75) :

    I guess that’s a sign of the times…Lions fans are few…even on the stands….LOL!

  • Comment 76, posted at 19.11.08 14:45:27 by walter van Reply
    walter van Lions World
  • @walter van (Comment 76) : well, if they keep getting rid of all their good players…

  • Comment 77, posted at 19.11.08 15:15:36 by robdylan Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 32) :

    Okay, I got some info from an agent, the current juniors get between R1000 and R4000 per month and that can include or exclude varsity fees at UJ.

  • Comment 78, posted at 20.11.08 08:32:28 by walter van Reply
    walter van Lions World
  • @walter van (Comment 78) : thanks Walter.


  • Comment 79, posted at 20.11.08 08:39:02 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 79) :

    So it doesn’t look like the Lions juniors can get rich from playing rugby…LOL!

  • Comment 80, posted at 20.11.08 08:52:35 by walter van Reply
    walter van Lions World
  • @walter van (Comment 80) :
    😯 Doesn’t looks like they can get anything…

  • Comment 81, posted at 20.11.08 08:57:05 by blckshrk - BAFANA Reply
    blackshark - I'm back!
  • @walter van (Comment 80) :

    And Jody Rose??

    Is he on a professional contract?? It doesn’t seem as if he is ‘making it’ at the Lions.

  • Comment 82, posted at 20.11.08 09:12:19 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 82) :

    He is on a senior contract currently

  • Comment 83, posted at 20.11.08 16:58:16 by walter van Reply
    walter van Lions World
  • Good riddens…

    Since the 2006 CC season I can only remember him scoring 1 great try against the Bulls (away game) this year and cannot remember seeing him doing anything else even though he was on the field plenty…

    Oh…I do remember him passing like his sorry butt plenty (I mean he was a 7’s player for how long?????)…surely your ball skills would be a lil sharper with that experience…

  • Comment 84, posted at 20.11.08 17:58:45 by Hmmm Reply
  • However it seems it does not mean that if you played 7’s that you have ball skills….just ask Benjamin….

  • Comment 85, posted at 20.11.08 18:00:04 by Hmmm Reply
  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 11) :

    I have no idea who half of those players are and their contracts are expiring already!??!

  • Comment 86, posted at 20.11.08 18:01:16 by Hmmm Reply
  • @Big Fish (Comment 12) :

    Nope….Trompie merely expected a match in price from the LIONS on what he was offered by Griekwas or at least slightly better….
    He made no demands…
    And yeh….Jaco WHO?

  • Comment 87, posted at 20.11.08 18:02:38 by Hmmm Reply
  • Rob…did you not know the greatest of teams are those that build for 3 and a half years and are still a young team in a building phase!??!

  • Comment 88, posted at 20.11.08 18:05:42 by Hmmm Reply
  • Has the fact that the Bulls are still getting better results than the LIONS with Frans as the coach not wrung any bells with the LIONS!??! The same Frans that spent the LIONS whole budget when he was fired….
    Either the LIONS management are ignorant or just plain dumb….
    It was all Frans that was the problem…well I guess we know better now…or is Frans a better coach than Loffie!??!

  • Comment 89, posted at 20.11.08 18:08:47 by Hmmm Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 47) :

    LoL…Meyer/Wepener…all the same thing…LoL

  • Comment 90, posted at 20.11.08 18:10:28 by Hmmm Reply
  • @Hmmm (Comment 88) : you mean the Sharks?

  • Comment 91, posted at 20.11.08 18:37:26 by robdylan Reply
  • @Hmmm (Comment 89) : you still haven’t answered the question about whether you sent Manie Reyneke your phone number when he asked for it… you had the opportunity to ask him all these questions directly!

  • Comment 92, posted at 20.11.08 18:38:17 by robdylan Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 91) :

    Not when I am being sarcastic 🙄

  • Comment 93, posted at 20.11.08 18:39:42 by Hmmm Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 92) :

    No actually I had already answered the CFO so I forwarded his PA that same mail and we can talk after he read that…but the correspondence stopped there…

    In any event…I was not interested in being sweet talked…I wanted explanations on why the LIONS are completely unable to retain talent…even if it means stick your darn hand in the pocket…once or twice every year….

    But hey…at least when we lose next year we can always say we are a young team building….

  • Comment 94, posted at 20.11.08 18:42:50 by Hmmm Reply
  • I am off…
    Speak to you guys soon…

  • Comment 95, posted at 20.11.08 18:45:13 by Hmmm Reply
  • @Hmmm (Comment 94) : but dude – surely a telephone call with the CEO would be the ideal place to ask that question straight out?

    @Hmmm (Comment 95) : wondered what the smell was 🙂 Later dude

  • Comment 96, posted at 20.11.08 18:55:06 by robdylan Reply

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