Southern Hemisphere rules the rankings

Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :In the news on 1 Dec 2008 at 07:09
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The International Rugby Board has confirmed that southern hemisphere sides have secured the top four positions in Monday’s pool draw for the 2011 World Cup.

For the first time the IRB is using its own world rankings to seed leading nations for the World Cup, which will next take place in New Zealand, according to Rugby365.

The cut-off point for Monday’s draw was the ranking positions teams occupied on Sunday, which followed Saturday’s Tests between England and New Zealand and Wales and Australia.

New Zealand’s 32-6 win over England at Twickenham, which sealed a grand slam of victories over the four home unions, cemented their grip on first place.

By contrast, England’s defeat ensured Argentina remained among the top four teams in the draw.

The Pumas, who finished third at the 2007 World Cup, will therefore avoid New Zealand, defending champions South Africa and Australia in the draw for the first round pool phase.

England’s defeat dropped them to sixth place while Six Nations champions Wales moved up into fifth following their 21-18 win over Australia at Cardiff’s Millennium Stadium.

Had they beaten Australia by more than 15 points, Wales would have moved into fourth place at the expense of Argentina.

As was the case during last year’s World Cup in France, where South Africa beat England 15-6 in the Final, there will be four pools of five teams in the 2011 tournament.

Wales, England, France and Ireland now face the prospect of being drawn alongside one of the leading quartet.

Scotland’s proud record of having got as far as the quarter-finals of every World Cup now looks in danger three years ahead of the next edition as they are in the third band of teams.

That means they will be drawn in a pool with both a leading southern hemisphere side and one of their major European rivals.

The teams in the top three bands are as follows:

Band 1: New Zealand, South Africa, Australia, Argentina
Band 2: Wales, England, France, Ireland
Band 3: Scotland, Fiji, Italy, Tonga

The final two positions in each pool will be allocated to the eight qualifying places still available for RWC 2011. The banding of these eight teams is as follows:

Band 4: Americas 1, Europe 1, Europe 2, Oceania 1
Band 5: Africa 1, Americas 2, Asia 1, Play Off place

The teams in each band will be drawn randomly into one of the four pools.


  • So if Southern Hemisphere sides dominate, why is it that the IRB is generally accepted to hold the NH rugby in greater stead? Why do we get stuffed around, playing three sets of ELVs in one year while they all play 1?

    As Manuel would say in Fawly Towers, “Eeets a crazy”

  • Comment 1, posted at 01.12.08 07:19:35 by Baldrick Reply
  • @Baldrick (Comment 1) : que?

  • Comment 2, posted at 01.12.08 07:27:05 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Baldrick (Comment 1) :

    That (those ELVs) are a SANZAR stuff up not the IRBs.

    SANZAR are the ones who are messing things up. it is the SANZAR nations that are playing the cocked up ELVs not the SH nations.

  • Comment 3, posted at 01.12.08 07:28:08 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Don’t forget that the draw will be streamed live and we will bring it to you as it happens on here.

  • Comment 4, posted at 01.12.08 07:33:59 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 3) : Thanks for the edification. Didn’t the IRB task SANZAR to trial new ELVS, something about a Stellenbosch meeting last year or so?

    It just makes little or no sense to have all these different trials by the same players. I accept VC trying one set but when S14, CC, 3N and EOYT are all different in terms of rule applications, the refs and players can be affected.

    Then fans get it wrong because they are used to one set and now there’s another and everyone is just negative.

  • Comment 5, posted at 01.12.08 07:50:25 by Baldrick Reply

  • why don’t we just apply the Super 14 ELV’s to everything?

  • Comment 6, posted at 01.12.08 07:57:28 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 6) :

    for THIS reason.

    Why don’t we apply the proper ELVs to the S14 rather?

    A bit of an argument that will go in circles that.

    In my serious opinion though I prefer the full ELVs and NOT the S14 ElVs though. in particular the law that allows for FKs at infringements in the S14 but PKs in the full ELVs. McCaw an Co. are smiling all the way to the scoreboard being able to give away FK after FK without it affecting the score against them.

  • Comment 7, posted at 01.12.08 08:03:54 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 7) : Yeah, but refs were told to be vigilent and not be shy with cards for repeated infringements, so there were severe inplications if a player kept giving away FKs.

  • Comment 8, posted at 01.12.08 09:03:50 by Baldrick Reply

  • More concerning is that we play one set of rules for the Super 14 and Tri Nations before playing the Lions under a different set ?!?!?

    Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez madness.

  • Comment 9, posted at 01.12.08 09:18:47 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 9) : what a SARFUck up 🙂

  • Comment 10, posted at 01.12.08 09:24:52 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 10) :

    We can’t blame SARU for that though, they were trying to get the NZAR to adopt the worldwide ELVs for the S14 and 3Ns.

    Oh and the 3Ns is after the Lions series.

  • Comment 11, posted at 01.12.08 09:41:26 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 11) : yes, I know. Still, easy target and all

  • Comment 12, posted at 01.12.08 09:44:49 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 12) :


  • Comment 13, posted at 01.12.08 09:48:16 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • What time’s the draw?

  • Comment 14, posted at 01.12.08 13:42:22 by McLovin Reply

  • @McLovin (Comment 14) : 15:00 UK time

  • Comment 15, posted at 01.12.08 13:43:46 by McLovin Reply

  • Some interesting facts from the irb site.

  • Comment 16, posted at 01.12.08 13:47:44 by McLovin Reply

  • Argentina and Ireland, along with England and South Africa, have been drawn in the same pool at the last two tournaments, a scenario which could happen again in 2011 with the sides in different bands.

  • Comment 17, posted at 01.12.08 13:48:11 by McLovin Reply

  • England may face France, Ireland, Scotland and Wales annually in the RBS Six Nations, but have never met them in the RWC pool stages. Scotland are the only one of this quartet England could be drawn with for 2011.

  • Comment 18, posted at 01.12.08 13:49:35 by McLovin Reply

  • France may have ended the All Blacks’ hopes of victory at RWC 2007, but Les Bleus are yet to be drawn in the same pool as New Zealand, South Africa, Australia or Italy in the tournament’s history.

  • Comment 19, posted at 01.12.08 13:49:52 by McLovin Reply

  • New Zealand and Italy are no strangers to each other, having been drawn in the same pool at five of the six previous Rugby World Cups, the only exception being 1995.

  • Comment 20, posted at 01.12.08 13:50:07 by McLovin Reply

  • South Africa cannot meet fellow Band 1 sides Argentina or New Zealand for the first time in the pool stages, but they could secure a maiden pool meeting with Fiji, France, Ireland, Italy or Wales.

  • Comment 21, posted at 01.12.08 13:50:23 by McLovin Reply

  • Scotland cannot meet fellow Band 3 side Tonga for the first time, but could find themselves in unfamiliar territory with a pool involving Argentina, Australia, England or Wales.

  • Comment 22, posted at 01.12.08 13:50:42 by McLovin Reply

  • Tonga have never met Argentina or Australia in the pool stages of a Rugby World Cup.

  • Comment 23, posted at 01.12.08 13:50:58 by McLovin Reply

  • Some interesting stuff indeed.

  • Comment 24, posted at 01.12.08 13:52:11 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • I reckon we’re going to get England in our pool AGAIN

  • Comment 25, posted at 01.12.08 14:04:44 by robdylan Reply
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