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Boks get favourable pool draw for 2011

Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks on 2 Dec 2008 at 07:35
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The RWC 2011 draw was brought to you live last night and now that the dust has settled it seems as if the Springboks have received a very favourable draw for the RWC 2011 in New Zealand.

For the pool stages that is. Thereafter it becomes a little more difficult though. A lot more than just a little difficult actually.

Pool A: New Zealand, France, Tonga, Americas 1, Asia 1
Pool B: Argentina, England, Scotland, Europe 1, Play-off winner
Pool C: Australia, Ireland, Italy, Europe 2, Americas 2
Pool D: South Africa, Wales, Fiji, Oceania 1, Africa 1

The Springboks should not find it to difficult to ensure they finish at the top of pool D after the pools stages of the RWC 2011. Thereafter they will in all likelyhood have to beat New Zealand and Australia in New Zealand if they have any hope of walking away as the victors.

Let’s surmise that the teams will finish the pool stages as follows with only pool B really being up for grabs.

Pool A: 1. New Zealand 2. France
Pool B: 1. England 2. Argentina
Pool C: 1. Australia 2. Ireland
Pool D: 1. South Africa 2. Wales

This will give the Springboks a pretty much near impossible task of retaining the trophy and if they do manage it there will be no doubt about who the best team in the world is.

QF 1: England v France
QF 2: Australia v Wales.
QF 3: New Zealand v Argentina
QF 4: South Africa v Ireland

The SANZAR nations should all come through the quarter finals unscathed with the result between England and France being a toss up.

SF 1: England / France v Australia
SF 2: New Zealand v South Africa

Is this where our tournament will stop or will we manage another away win over New Zealand to go on and play the final against Australia?


  • Three years is a long way off and a lot can still happen but I don’t think there will be a swing in the balance of power seeing the NH nations overcome the SH nations.

    England are about the only one with that chance and that won’t have any affect on the outcomes until at least the Semi-Final stages.

  • Comment 1, posted at 02.12.08 08:06:50 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • This would be a dream WC to win – my grandchildren would never hear enough about it… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 2, posted at 02.12.08 08:27:04 by blckshrk - BUCS Reply
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  • @blckshrk – BUCS (Comment 2) :


  • Comment 3, posted at 02.12.08 08:30:12 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • Pool A: New Zealand, France,


    Did we not call the opening game yesterday? NZ v France

    France to do a 2007 Argentina

  • Comment 4, posted at 02.12.08 08:42:45 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • Pity we have to meet the All Blacks in the semi’s(if everything goes to plan) I would love the Boks to be in a final against them, that would surely be special. But hey who knows maybe the French will change that.

  • Comment 5, posted at 02.12.08 09:04:57 by Whindy Reply
  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 1) : hehehe, playing both sides of the fence today are you KSA.. 😉 Post one article talking about the Bok’s “tough draw” and how Smit thinks the “tough draw” will prepare them well for the later stages, and in this article you talk about a “favourable draw”. So which is it, tough or favourable? (now you’re going to tell me it is both). 😆

  • Comment 6, posted at 02.12.08 09:08:59 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Besides….New Zealand have not made it past the semi final stage since 1995, why should we believe 2011 will be any different? 😆

  • Comment 7, posted at 02.12.08 09:11:58 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 5) :

    It would be classic.

    I got into a discussion with two POMS last weekend before NZ played them. And the gist of the discussion was that they didn’t give the Kiwi’s a hope in hells chance of beating England by a greater margin than we did. They were adamant that we were a much better team than the Kiwi’s.

    I wish I could share their enthusiasm. Maybe I am just in awe of the Kiwis, as are most of the world, but i just can’t see us beating them at the moment.

  • Comment 8, posted at 02.12.08 09:14:20 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 6) :

    Nope I ain’t. 🙂

    I posted the John Smit article as news and mine as opinion 😉 I think John has to say that, in case it comes back and bites him on the bum in 3 years time.

    I believe we have a good draw for the pool stages and should leave us pretty fresh and unbruised for the knock-out stages.

  • Comment 9, posted at 02.12.08 09:16:42 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 7) :

    Yeah apparently some teams choke even quicker when they play at home. 🙄 😀

  • Comment 10, posted at 02.12.08 09:17:25 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • Have to agree KSA, I personally think there will be two cups on all of the southern hemisphere sides jerseys, come the end of the tournament, but the pressure on the All Blacks will be immense, and it will be interesting to see if they can cope with it. Graham Henry know how popular he will be and that is the only reason I can think of for NZ, not to win at home.

  • Comment 11, posted at 02.12.08 09:20:41 by Whindy Reply
  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 10) : And I never count out the French. No matter how bad they may look now, they always seem capable of some superb performances in the RWC (albeit combined with some devastatingly bad ones). New Zealand may not even win their pool!

  • Comment 12, posted at 02.12.08 09:22:10 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 11) :

    And every year they miss out the pressure just gets more and more. Henry must feel it more than the players, as he has been there once already and failed and barely escaped with his job intact.

    When all is settled after 2011 I think the ABs will have shaken that monkey of theirs off their back.

  • Comment 13, posted at 02.12.08 09:33:23 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 11) : You’ve been scarce, boss!

  • Comment 14, posted at 02.12.08 09:35:51 by robdylan Reply
  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 13) : Nope, choking is in the New Zealand psyche! :mrgreen: Just knowing the Boks are in the same tournament makes them jumpy. Why do you think they could only win when we were not there? :mrgreen: 😛

  • Comment 15, posted at 02.12.08 09:37:45 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 15) :

    :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 16, posted at 02.12.08 09:40:03 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • It’s all to far in the Future to speculate…..AB’s to choke again …hehehehehe

  • Comment 17, posted at 02.12.08 09:41:41 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 16) : Insomnia brings a different kind of clarity to my posts doesn’t it? 😆

  • Comment 18, posted at 02.12.08 09:42:43 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • The Boks have played NZ three times in RWCs, winning two and losing one. So historical odds are on our side too! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 19, posted at 02.12.08 09:46:22 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 18) :

    I was wondering about that?????????

    02:50 for you at the moment. Are you coming in after a night out or getting up early to go sailing? 😉

  • Comment 20, posted at 02.12.08 09:48:15 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 19) :

    you really DO need to stay up late more often 😀

  • Comment 21, posted at 02.12.08 09:49:27 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 20) : hehehehe, neither, just couldn’t sleep, so been waiting for you all to wake up. 😆

  • Comment 22, posted at 02.12.08 09:49:56 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 21) : Oh I have more, just to prove that choking is in the NZ psyche….Just look at the America’s Cup. Premier large yachting event in the world, and they lose to the SWISS!!!! A landlocked country!!! 😆

  • Comment 23, posted at 02.12.08 09:51:36 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 23) :

    :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: I need to find a Kiwi to share that info with. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 24, posted at 02.12.08 09:55:01 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • Hey Rob, I am now in the UAE, had immence fun last week at the Sevens was a great event and one you should consider coming to with those pounds you earn.

  • Comment 25, posted at 02.12.08 09:57:48 by Whindy Reply
  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 24) : Oh, I know, this isn’t really that much fun posting without a kiwi somewhere around to read it. 😆

  • Comment 26, posted at 02.12.08 09:58:09 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 25) : I pay half of them to the Crown and the other half to Lloyds TSB! Your boys are still in SA though, right? You must send me your new email

  • Comment 27, posted at 02.12.08 10:01:05 by robdylan Reply
  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 26) :

    No Worries, Bok Clyde Kiwi will be on later this evening and will hopefully have a retort or two.

    in the meantime we can just leave little landmines laying around for him. 🙂

  • Comment 28, posted at 02.12.08 10:01:35 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • The reason the kiwis are so proud of their silly trophies like the Bledisloe Cup and the Tri-Nations is because they have no international trophy of any worth in their cabinet. They haven’t had Bill since 1991 when they had to give it to the Aussies, and they haven’t had the America’s Cup since 2003, and I fail to find a sport they excel in internationally other than sailing and Rugby Union.

  • Comment 29, posted at 02.12.08 10:01:55 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 28) : 😆 😆 I look forward to his retorts!

  • Comment 30, posted at 02.12.08 10:03:35 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 25) :

    Whindy. Some of my pics from the 7s.


  • Comment 31, posted at 02.12.08 10:06:18 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • Awesome Andre, I will be be back in March for Sure

  • Comment 32, posted at 02.12.08 10:12:40 by Whindy Reply
  • @Whindy (Comment 32) :

    Great stuff. it’ll be a blast I will be there as well.

  • Comment 33, posted at 02.12.08 10:15:50 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • Gatland’s response to being with us in the Pool.


    Wales boss Warren Gatland believes their group draw will stand the team in good stead for the remainder of the Rugby World Cup 2011 should they make it through the pool stage.

    Wales have been drawn alongside Webb Ellis Trophy holders South Africa, their 2007 World Cup conquerors Fiji and, in all probability, a dangerous Samoa.

    The Samoans have yet to qualify, but they are red-hot favourites for the Oceania 1 berth, with Wales group’ being completed by Africa 1 – probably Namibia.

    Gatland, who took over as Wales head coach a year ago on Monday, has already guided his team to a RBS 6 Nations title and a leap of five places from 10th to fifth in the International Rugby Board world rankings.

    Wales were also the solitary European team to defeat Tri-Nations opposition during a deflating autumn series, beating their possible 2011 World Cup quarter-final opponents Australia on Saturday.

    Even in the games Wales lost – 20-15 to South Africa and 29-9 against New Zealand – they dominated 40 minutes of each Test match.

    Gatland said: “It is a great draw and we are excited about it.

    “Look at the World Cup last year – the winners of the competition came from the toughest pool.

    “If we come out of it, then we are in pretty good shape for the quarter-finals as we will have played some tough rugby, as long as we don’t pick up too many injuries.

    Wales have never met South Africa in a World Cup fixture – but they know all about Fiji and Samoa.

    Fiji knocked them out of last year’s tournament, winning 38-34 in Nantes and ending Gareth Jenkins’ miserable spell as Wales coach.

    Samoa, meanwhile, can boast two World Cup wins against Wales – both in Cardiff – in 1991 and 1999.

    Gatland added: “Fiji and Samoa will have a huge amount of support (in New Zealand) and the crowd will be really behind them.

    “Hopefully, we will get a bit of support for South Africa, but we need it for the other two as well.

    “We have played the three toughest teams in the world this autumn, and there is a significant amount of improvement to come from our game.

    “We are trying to get some confidence against the southern hemisphere by winning a few games.

    “The players can see some light at the end of the tunnel in terms of where we are going.”

    Springboks coach Peter de Villiers backed Wales to go from “strength to strength” under Gatland, with both de Villiers and skipper John Smit accepting South Africa found themselves in a demanding group.

    “It is a tough draw and it will be a very physical pool, but I am happy with the draw,” said de Villiers.

    “Wales will only go from strength to strength, and we know the Pacific Islands produce outstanding players – you only have to look back to last year’s World Cup to know what a threat they can pose.”

  • Comment 34, posted at 02.12.08 11:57:44 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 31) :
    Enjoyed the photos – looks like you guys had a blast.

  • Comment 35, posted at 02.12.08 12:59:59 by Salmonoid Reply
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