SARU gunning for counterfeit merchandisers

Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :In the news on 12 Dec 2008 at 10:15
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SA Rugby has warned parents and rugby supporters to be on the lookout for unscrupulous counterfeiters gearing up for the Christmas shopping rush.


SA Rugby’s agents confiscated R53-million’s worth of fake rugby clothing in 2008 but remain on guard for the scam artists who prey on unsuspecting rugby fans.

“If it is being sold at a traffic light or at a street corner you can be sure it’s fake,” said Andy Marinos, acting manager director of SA Rugby.

“It may be cheaper than in the stores but it is vastly inferior to the officially licensed jerseys and, frankly, isn’t even worth the cut price you’ll pay for it. We’re grateful that fans want to wear their team’s jersey but the irony is that by buying from the counterfeiters, they’re actually taking money out of the pockets of their province. Teams receive a licence fee for every official piece of merchandise that is sold – they obviously don’t get a cent from the fraudsters.”

Signet Licensing, SA Rugby’s licensing agents, worked closely with the South African Police Service, Customs and other organisations to seize a staggering 223 000 pieces of merchandise in 2008. Most of the product comes from the Far East and enters through the ports before being transported to back-street warehouses.

“Many members of the public are unaware that buying counterfeit product is a criminal activity resulting in the growth of organised crime networks and depriving the unions and the country of revenue and jobs,” said Alex Cotchobos, managing director of Signet Licensing.

“We have confiscated some major shipments and made several arrests this year but as long as the rugby supporter is happy to buy a cheap, fake jersey then the criminals will continue to provide a supply. “Our message is that true rugby fans should do themselves and their game a favour and not support crime.”

Cotchobos added that the presence of apparently genuine labelling confirming that the item was an officially licensed product should also be treated with caution as the counterfeiters also faked such devices.

“If it is cheap, if it feels cheap and if it looks cheap then it’s because it is a cheap imitation,” said Cotchobos. “It may be a tempting price but the only person winning in the transaction is some back-street criminal.”


  • I don’t for one second condone buying counterfeit products, but if the genuine article costs aroud R600, one can kind of understand why some people might be tempted to buy the counterfeit goods.

  • Comment 1, posted at 12.12.08 10:51:29 by McLovin Reply
  • How do they calculate that 53 million figure? Do they use the price of what the genuine article would have cost or the price the it would have been sold for? Anyway it works out to an average of about R240 per item.

  • Comment 2, posted at 12.12.08 10:53:54 by McLovin Reply
  • @McLovin (Comment 1) : with you on that score 100%. They should make their own “cheaper knock-offs” if they’re so concerned. Fact is, people cannot pay that much for a replica jersey.

  • Comment 3, posted at 12.12.08 10:59:02 by robdylan Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 3) :
    Most definitely. Good thing the Sharks are sponsored by Mr Price so they do have cheaper versions for people who can’t afford the exact replicas.

    The prices can be really steep…especially if you have a Sharks/ Springbok mad family. Can you imagine buying 5 Sharks and 5 Springbok jerseys?

  • Comment 4, posted at 12.12.08 11:14:45 by blckshrk - BUCS Reply
    blackshark - I'm back!
  • @McLovin (Comment 1) :

    My argument exactly…

  • Comment 5, posted at 12.12.08 11:22:12 by Ice (Bébé de Glace) Reply
  • @Ice (Bébé de Glace) (Comment 5) :

    My CC Jersey was R500 odd…and I am half the size of most!! Rediculous!

  • Comment 6, posted at 12.12.08 11:23:10 by Ice (Bébé de Glace) Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 3) : @blckshrk – BUCS (Comment 4) : @Ice (Bébé de Glace) (Comment 6) : It are very expensive. When Sasol became sponsor of the Boks I bought a jersey for around £60. But one has to ask yourself do I really need the exact same jersey (in terms of material/fabrication) as the players to sit in the stands/on the couch drinking? Probably not. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 7, posted at 12.12.08 11:38:00 by McLovin Reply
  • I bought a coutnerfeit jersey about 3/4 years ago at the same time my mate bought an official jersey… it was about the time that SARU brought out that jersey that had a more woolly feel and it and had a strange darker green colour than usual.

    I’ve played a few really rough games in my jersey and it’s been washed and had beer/food spilt on it etc and it still looks pristine.

    My mate, with his official jersey, has lost both it’s shape and colour.

    Mine was £16 and his was £60…

    So feck right off Andy Marionos with your quality comment. The day you moved away from Canterbury and thought you could still charge an arm and a leg for a vastly inferior product was the last day you could throw that at us.

    BTW – I’ve worked at Canterbury and I know what they manufacture their jerseys for…

  • Comment 8, posted at 12.12.08 11:45:22 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • My official Sharks super 14 jersey that I forked 600 smacks for in April already looks like shit. Canterbury as well. You can’t even wash the damn thing

  • Comment 9, posted at 12.12.08 11:47:57 by robdylan Reply
  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 8) :

    Exactly, he can piss off.

    Why is our national soccer shirt so cheap?

  • Comment 10, posted at 12.12.08 11:49:17 by MorneN Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 9) : I have a plain blue CCC rugby jersey that i cannot break.Swear to gaed i’ve done everything short of throw that bugger in a fire and its still going.

  • Comment 11, posted at 12.12.08 11:53:29 by PJLD Reply
  • @MorneN (Comment 10) : ITS NOT!!!!!!

  • Comment 12, posted at 12.12.08 11:53:50 by PJLD Reply
  • @MorneN (Comment 10) : Well that goes for R450 so it’s not as cheap as it used to be…but so is everything else…and it’s still way better than paying R500 for a Kiddies Bok Jersey. 😡

  • Comment 13, posted at 12.12.08 12:02:11 by blckshrk - BUCS Reply
    blackshark - I'm back!
  • @PJLD (Comment 12) :

    I saw one last week for R240…

    In a reputable and known sport shop.

    Surely they wont sell old stuff?

  • Comment 14, posted at 12.12.08 12:02:23 by MorneN Reply
  • @MorneN (Comment 14) : Check blacksharks comment, they go for about R450 R500, while they are cheaper they are not cheap.

    Almost broke my supporters jersey virgnity with the Bafana jersey(its a really nice jersey) but ja,couldn’t go through with it.

  • Comment 15, posted at 12.12.08 12:07:15 by PJLD Reply
  • I have silk springbok boxer shorts. 🙄

  • Comment 16, posted at 12.12.08 12:07:17 by McLovin Reply
  • I just don’t know when these clowns are going to realise that we’re in the 21st century and you can get an item of clothing sent from china within a week.

    Unless the official rugby jersey has some sort of flame-retardent material that doubles as a stab vest and somehow keeps my beer in my glass I fail to see why I should pay up to 5 times the cost of ordering it from China for what is essentially the same item.

    Paying like R1,000 for a jersey I only wear a couple of times a year is expecting a little bit too much for the man in the street.

    That’s a bill of close on R3,000 for a family of four.

    Nick Mallett’s words are still so relevant.

  • Comment 17, posted at 12.12.08 12:07:56 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • @MorneN (Comment 14) : Really? Is that reputable shop in someone’s garage? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 18, posted at 12.12.08 12:07:56 by blckshrk - BUCS Reply
    blackshark - I'm back!
  • @PJLD (Comment 15) :

    Then what did I see?

  • Comment 19, posted at 12.12.08 12:08:17 by MorneN Reply
  • @McLovin (Comment 16) :

    You also have a boyfriend.

  • Comment 20, posted at 12.12.08 12:08:37 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 20) : 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

  • Comment 21, posted at 12.12.08 12:09:46 by McLovin Reply
  • @PJLD (Comment 15) : Yeah…looks like it’s in the R500 region now…

  • Comment 22, posted at 12.12.08 12:10:16 by blckshrk - BUCS Reply
    blackshark - I'm back!
  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 20) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 23, posted at 12.12.08 12:11:01 by PJLD Reply
  • @blckshrk – BUCS (Comment 18) :

    Haha, funnily enough no.


  • Comment 24, posted at 12.12.08 12:11:18 by MorneN Reply
  • @blckshrk – BUCS (Comment 22) :

    Maybe I saw the away shirt?

  • Comment 25, posted at 12.12.08 12:12:01 by MorneN Reply
  • @MorneN (Comment 24) : They still have sneakers in CT?Holy moly!

    Morras im going to be seriously drunk in your side of False Bay tonight, whats the roadblock scene like?
    Im not driving but just want to give the rest of my office a headsup.

  • Comment 26, posted at 12.12.08 12:13:32 by PJLD Reply
  • Muizenberg, Lakeside, Fish Hoek and Glencairn areas are usually favourite spots for road blocks.

    Take routes like OU Kaapse Weg or Boyes Drive and avoid the main roads in addition to using highways (M3 not M5) as far as possible.

  • Comment 27, posted at 12.12.08 12:15:55 by MorneN Reply
  • I did fink you were in Simonstad

  • Comment 28, posted at 12.12.08 12:17:02 by PJLD Reply
  • Oh wait, i see Glencairn.

  • Comment 29, posted at 12.12.08 12:18:30 by PJLD Reply
  • @MorneN (Comment 24) :

    Oh…they probably had some crazy sale.
    You should’ve bought 10 and sold them for R350… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 30, posted at 12.12.08 12:23:31 by blckshrk - BUCS Reply
    blackshark - I'm back!
  • @PJLD (Comment 28) :

    I do live in Simonstad.

    Where is your party?

  • Comment 31, posted at 12.12.08 12:23:32 by MorneN Reply
  • @blckshrk – BUCS (Comment 30) :

    Haha, good point.

  • Comment 32, posted at 12.12.08 12:23:54 by MorneN Reply
  • @MorneN (Comment 31) : CS Cable Restorer in the docks. If you happen to see the SAS Spieonkop lit up and doing crazy manouvres in the middleof the night then you will know exactly where i am. 😛

  • Comment 33, posted at 12.12.08 12:31:56 by PJLD Reply
  • @PJLD (Comment 33) :

    Haha, if I walk out of my front door and sit on the stoep, I can see the ship straight in front of me.

    Wind is a bit kak though hey. You’d better come prepared.

  • Comment 34, posted at 12.12.08 12:49:01 by MorneN Reply
  • Not quite xmas yet. But here is some christmas cracker jokes.

    What do you call a short sighted dinosaur?
    A do-you-think-he-saw-us!

  • Comment 35, posted at 12.12.08 12:49:52 by McLovin Reply
  • What do you call a man with brown paper trousers?


  • Comment 36, posted at 12.12.08 12:50:23 by McLovin Reply
  • What do you call a man with a pole through his leg?


  • Comment 37, posted at 12.12.08 12:50:42 by McLovin Reply
  • Why was Santa’s little helper feeling depressed?

    He had low elf-esteem.

  • Comment 38, posted at 12.12.08 12:51:02 by McLovin Reply
  • It gets worse.

  • Comment 39, posted at 12.12.08 12:51:37 by McLovin Reply
  • Why should husbands make the early morning tea for their wives?

    Because the Bible says He Brews

  • Comment 40, posted at 12.12.08 12:51:54 by McLovin Reply
  • What’s the longest word in the English language?

    Smiles, because there is a “mile” between the first and the last letters.

  • Comment 41, posted at 12.12.08 12:52:26 by McLovin Reply
  • On which side do chickens have the most feathers?

    The outside.

  • Comment 42, posted at 12.12.08 12:52:47 by McLovin Reply
  • What do you call a woman who stands between two goal posts?


  • Comment 43, posted at 12.12.08 12:53:06 by McLovin Reply
  • So how about them Stormers? 2009 will be the year. If not then 2010. Definitely maybe. 🙄

  • Comment 44, posted at 12.12.08 12:54:56 by McLovin Reply
  • Who hides in the bakery at Christmas?

    A mince spy.

  • Comment 45, posted at 12.12.08 12:55:27 by McLovin Reply
  • Two snowmen in a field, one turned to the other and said. “I don’t know about you but I can smell carrots.”

  • Comment 46, posted at 12.12.08 12:59:16 by McLovin Reply
  • What did the inflatable teacher at the inflatable school say to the inflatable child caught holding a pin?
    You let me down, you let your friends down, you let your school down but most of all… you let yourself down.

  • Comment 47, posted at 12.12.08 13:02:33 by McLovin Reply
  • What’s ET short for?

    Because he’s only got little legs.

  • Comment 48, posted at 12.12.08 13:02:52 by McLovin Reply
  • @McLovin (Comment 46) : 🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄 ❓ ❓

  • Comment 49, posted at 12.12.08 13:06:30 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 49) : When you build a snowman (not that I have) a carrot can be used for the snowman’s nose. 😀

  • Comment 50, posted at 12.12.08 13:09:53 by McLovin Reply
  • 😆 😆 😆

  • Comment 51, posted at 12.12.08 13:12:55 by Big Fish Reply
    Big Fish
  • More, I hear you cry?

  • Comment 52, posted at 12.12.08 13:20:28 by McLovin Reply
  • What bee can never be understood? …

    A mumble-bee.

  • Comment 53, posted at 12.12.08 13:20:43 by McLovin Reply
  • What did one wall say to the other wall? …

    I’ll meet you at the corner.

  • Comment 54, posted at 12.12.08 13:21:25 by McLovin Reply
  • What do you call a man who used to be interested in tractors? …

    An ex-tractor fan.

  • Comment 55, posted at 12.12.08 13:22:14 by McLovin Reply
  • What do you get if you cross a sheep with a grasshopper? …

    A wooly jumper.

  • Comment 56, posted at 12.12.08 13:23:47 by McLovin Reply
  • On officialmerchandise . co. za the Sharks jersey is R50 more than the Bok jersey. 😐

  • Comment 57, posted at 12.12.08 13:31:44 by McLovin Reply
  • No wait. The players jersey is R969. 😯

  • Comment 58, posted at 12.12.08 13:35:22 by McLovin Reply
  • @MorneN (Comment 34) : Shotto

  • Comment 59, posted at 12.12.08 13:35:34 by PJLD Reply
  • @McLovin (Comment 57) : So is all the S14 jeresys it seems.

  • Comment 60, posted at 12.12.08 13:36:34 by McLovin Reply
  • @McLovin (Comment 38) : I had that one in my cracker last weekend. Actually thought it was very good 🙂

  • Comment 61, posted at 12.12.08 13:41:28 by robdylan Reply
  • McLovin jokes:

    It’s dry but you can read it!!! 🙄

  • Comment 62, posted at 12.12.08 13:41:58 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 62) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 63, posted at 12.12.08 13:45:44 by McLovin Reply
  • Helooo again! geez !! 3 times in two days!! i am getting the hang of things!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 64, posted at 12.12.08 13:53:44 by Ice (Bébé de Glace) Reply
  • @Ice (Bébé de Glace) (Comment 64) : Afternoon. 🙂

  • Comment 65, posted at 12.12.08 13:55:18 by McLovin Reply
  • @McLovin (Comment 65) :

    Howdy Grapjas!! 😀

  • Comment 66, posted at 12.12.08 13:58:30 by Ice (Bébé de Glace) Reply
  • @Ice (Bébé de Glace) (Comment 66) : Icey!

  • Comment 67, posted at 12.12.08 14:04:41 by robdylan Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 67) :

    Hey Robs!!

    I thought making friends with our IT guy was priority…and it seemed to have worked [email protected] 😈 😉

  • Comment 68, posted at 12.12.08 14:07:24 by Ice (Bébé de Glace) Reply
  • @Ice (Bébé de Glace) (Comment 68) : excellent!

  • Comment 69, posted at 12.12.08 14:16:16 by robdylan Reply
  • I am all for supporting your team. But Supporters jerseys are for people from Pretoria. End of story.

  • Comment 70, posted at 12.12.08 14:28:15 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
    Worcestershire Sauce
  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 70) : So im ok then? No guilt!

  • Comment 71, posted at 12.12.08 14:29:06 by PJLD Reply
  • @PJLD (Comment 71) : If you have a jersey you mays well start supporting the Bulls and look for accommodation in Danville.

  • Comment 72, posted at 12.12.08 14:31:01 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
    Worcestershire Sauce
  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 72) : I aint got a damned thing ❗ KSA has 5 England jerseys, but then again he is a windsurfer from kroonstad.

  • Comment 73, posted at 12.12.08 14:38:46 by PJLD Reply
  • @PJLD (Comment 73) : Explains a lot about KSA 😈

    Getting defensive there buddy – are you 100% certain?

  • Comment 74, posted at 12.12.08 14:40:55 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
    Worcestershire Sauce
  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 74) : I have lots of supporters jerseys… then again, I am from Pretoria 🙂

  • Comment 75, posted at 12.12.08 14:48:48 by robdylan Reply
  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 74) : hundreds brudda.

  • Comment 76, posted at 12.12.08 14:53:37 by PJLD Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 75) : Sauce speaks truth 😆

  • Comment 77, posted at 12.12.08 15:13:04 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
    Worcestershire Sauce
  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 77) : amen brother

  • Comment 78, posted at 12.12.08 15:20:46 by robdylan Reply
  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 70) :

    You know what else they do in Pretoria Sauce?

    If you take a Pretorianer out to a pub to watch the Sharks play against the Bulls, they not only wear their supporters jersey, but also stand up in the middle of the game, in the middle of all the intoxicated Dutchmen (not dom dutchmen, just normal dutchies) and shout at the top of their lungs “We are black, we are white, we are fucking dynamite!”.

    Suppose that’s what a Pretoria birthright gives you… of hoe RobDylan? 😉

  • Comment 79, posted at 12.12.08 15:22:06 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 79) : Balls of steel.

    Wow Vin – you real seem to know your levels of degree with regards to the Dutchies… history? 😆

  • Comment 80, posted at 12.12.08 15:23:22 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
    Worcestershire Sauce
  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 80) :

    The last word of my previous post should give you a clue as to the Pretorianer/Durbanite I was referring to!

  • Comment 81, posted at 12.12.08 15:25:12 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • Sorry I just need to clarify… my mate, alluded to above, was born in Pretoors yet claims to be a Durbanite… hence he is supporting the Sharks in the only way he knows how – like a Pretorianer!

  • Comment 82, posted at 12.12.08 15:26:22 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 81) : he he… was that not fun? 🙂

  • Comment 83, posted at 12.12.08 15:26:59 by robdylan Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 83) :

    Yeah after I picked the pieces of glass out of my forehead! 😉

    Nah it was a good day. Think I met you that day didnmt I?

  • Comment 84, posted at 12.12.08 15:27:39 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 79) : I thought all dutchmen are dom? 😈

  • Comment 85, posted at 12.12.08 15:28:19 by McLovin Reply
  • @McLovin (Comment 85) :

    Only the ones that paint their faces blue, wear horns and can balance a beer on their stomach while standing up.

    A good 70 000 people at Loftus every week!

  • Comment 86, posted at 12.12.08 15:32:06 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 81) : I figured as much. Shortly before he was about to beaten into submission he revealed his Bulls tat eh 😆

  • Comment 87, posted at 12.12.08 15:32:29 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
    Worcestershire Sauce
  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 86) : 😆

  • Comment 88, posted at 12.12.08 15:32:52 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
    Worcestershire Sauce
  • @McLovin (Comment 85) :

    ek sal jou Blixem… 😈

  • Comment 89, posted at 12.12.08 15:33:05 by Ice (Bébé de Glace) Reply
  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 87) :

    Lol. Thankfully the sharks won that day or he might’ve shown me his “other” supporters jersey!

  • Comment 90, posted at 12.12.08 15:33:26 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • @Ice (Bébé de Glace) (Comment 89) : Very good dutchmen response. 😆

  • Comment 91, posted at 12.12.08 15:34:23 by McLovin Reply
  • @Ice (Bébé de Glace) (Comment 89) :

    Living up to the cliche there Ice Baby?

  • Comment 92, posted at 12.12.08 15:35:44 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • 😉

  • Comment 93, posted at 12.12.08 15:36:02 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • @McLovin (Comment 91) :

    Wats wat i fot…. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 94, posted at 12.12.08 15:38:27 by Ice (Bébé de Glace) Reply
  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 92) :

    Just for your entertainment! 😉

  • Comment 95, posted at 12.12.08 15:39:48 by Ice (Bébé de Glace) Reply
  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 82) : pretty rich coming from a Northern suburbs boy… you okes are nothing but Pretorianers that woke up too late to join the Trek…

  • Comment 96, posted at 12.12.08 15:40:05 by robdylan Reply
  • Cheers – have a lekker weekend!!!

  • Comment 97, posted at 12.12.08 15:41:54 by Ice (Bébé de Glace) Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 96) :

    How thankful do you think I am for that!

    Reckon my forefathers were busy smoking zol on the mountain when your lot were packing your ossewas!

  • Comment 98, posted at 12.12.08 15:42:20 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • @Ice (Bébé de Glace) (Comment 95) :

    Thanks – its loads appreciated!

  • Comment 99, posted at 12.12.08 15:42:56 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • @Ice (Bébé de Glace) (Comment 97) : Adios. 🙂

  • Comment 100, posted at 12.12.08 15:46:23 by McLovin Reply
  • @Ice (Bébé de Glace) (Comment 97) :

    You too hon.

  • Comment 101, posted at 12.12.08 15:46:50 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 96) :


    Too true.

    Just don’t tell me its Bellville please…

  • Comment 102, posted at 12.12.08 15:52:11 by MorneN Reply
  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 98) : actually I don’t come from Pretoria stock at all… the Dutch side of my family is from the Free State and the other half is English. Pretoria was just an accident

  • Comment 103, posted at 12.12.08 15:56:22 by robdylan Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 103) : Yea Pretoria was an accident

  • Comment 104, posted at 12.12.08 15:58:39 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
    Worcestershire Sauce
  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 104) : 🙂

  • Comment 105, posted at 12.12.08 16:03:59 by robdylan Reply
  • Rob,

    I think the salient point here is not where you are born but rather where you chose to reside when the choice was finally yours.

    You did return to Durbs at the first opportunity did you?
    Or did you then choose to move from Durbs back to Lions/Bulls territory?


  • Comment 106, posted at 12.12.08 16:08:35 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 104) :

    Very nice.

  • Comment 107, posted at 12.12.08 16:08:55 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 106) : I can’t believe I’m about to say this… but there’s more to life than rugby. Moving to Durban to pursue a career in IT just after I graduated would have been nothing short of professional suicide 🙂

  • Comment 108, posted at 12.12.08 16:28:19 by robdylan Reply
  • Lol. Is that you throwing in the towel buddy?

    I do agree with you though – its just a game.
    Being closer to a working brewery is much more important!

  • Comment 109, posted at 12.12.08 17:02:00 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • Hey! Theres nuttin wrong wiff Bellville!!!

  • Comment 110, posted at 12.12.08 17:36:52 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 110) : took you long enough

  • Comment 111, posted at 12.12.08 17:58:40 by robdylan Reply

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