So where will they play?

Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super 14 on 21 Jan 2009 at 10:18
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Methinks the Sharks coaching team are playing a bit of a game of “tell-em-what-they-want-to-hear” at the moment…

I’m referring specifically to the confusion around our favourite pair of merry-go-round backline stars, Ruan Pienaar and Frans Steyn. Now, the sensible money would seem to suggest that Pienaar, at least, is destined to settle at flyhalf, as per the wishes of Peter de Villiers. Pienaar has come a long way after initially being incredibly reluctant to become a full-time pivot. As the Bok incumbent, though, he should expect a regular crack at the Sharks number 10 jersey as well.

The big problem here is the fact that John Plumtree announced at a breakfast earlier this year, that Pienaar would share the flyhalf duties with Steyn in this year’s Super 14. We all know that young Frans is a supremely confident young man and still rates his flyhalf play a lot more highly than some of the rest of us do (cough). It appeared as though the Sharks were prepared to humour him yet again, something unlikely to be in the best interests of the team.

I tried to sound out new coach Chris Boyd a little while ago, to see how he feels about the whole player rotation angle. He was pretty cagey back then – he knew exactly why I was asking the question and is far too bright to fall for my silly traps. I see now that he has confirmed, although it is only to Keo, that Steyn is likely to play 12 for the majority of the season.

If indeed this is true, it’s brilliant news. A settled 10-12 combo of Pienaar and Steyn is just what we need. A tug-of-war over the number ten jersey is only going to lead to heartache. Have the balls, Chris and John. Pick Steyn at 12 and only 12.


  • Well Steyn has a whole season to prove me wrong in thinking his future is at 15.

    As for who playing where in general, I still cannot believe the Sharks are dof enough to pick both another captain and hooker over Smit. Hope they change their mind after the first game.

    Only after though.

  • Comment 1, posted at 21.01.09 10:35:53 by MorneN Reply
  • Steyn has made it clear he doesn’t want 2 play number 15

    Johann and Smith are both equally matched on captaincy skills, so they took it on merit, Smith has the Boks, and Johann has the Sharks, whom I might add already now knows his style, and I think they respect him as a captain, more even then Smith, in a way/

    So I don’t think anyone is being DOF I think they are trying to realize and use all opportunities that would have a positive effect in the LONG run!

  • Comment 2, posted at 21.01.09 11:28:01 by NickyB Reply

  • @NickyB (Comment 2) : Don’t pay attention to Stormers supporters trying to create a storm in the Sharks camp. Our house is in order- everybody knows their place. 🙂

  • Comment 3, posted at 21.01.09 11:34:14 by blckshrk - PROTEAS Reply

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  • @NickyB (Comment 2) :

    Like Ruan made it clear he DOES NOT want to play 10?

    John Smit has captained the Boks to a World Cup, and a 3N. He has been captain of the Sharks for years before he went over to France captaining them to a Super rugby final.

    In the captaincy stakes, on reputation, and even in respect he gets from both players and referee’s, I think there is no contest between John and Johann.

    Conclusion – Its dof.

  • Comment 4, posted at 21.01.09 11:36:57 by MorneN Reply
  • @MorneN (Comment 4) : You missed the part about John playing in a new position – which essentially makes him a “youngster”. He’s got enough on his plate- thank you.

    Not enough news on LOOSIESworld?

  • Comment 5, posted at 21.01.09 11:45:41 by blckshrk - PROTEAS Reply

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  • @MorneN (Comment 4) :

    You’re just trying top sow discord in the Sharks camp.

    You nervous about the 14th? 😉

  • Comment 6, posted at 21.01.09 11:47:52 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @blckshrk – PROTEAS (Comment 5) :

    I refer you to my first comment;

    I still cannot believe the Sharks are dof enough to pick both another captain and hooker over Smit

  • Comment 7, posted at 21.01.09 11:48:13 by MorneN Reply
  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 6) :

    I am never nervous about rugby.

    But like I told Fish, thanks in advance for the favour of playing Smit out of position and picking a weaker captain!

  • Comment 8, posted at 21.01.09 11:49:10 by MorneN Reply
  • @MorneN (Comment 8) : Do we get to see Johans wife on the telly again? 🙄

  • Comment 9, posted at 21.01.09 11:52:10 by PJLD Reply
  • @PJLD (Comment 9) :

    Well in all honesty, that is my biggest gripe, John’s wife is prettier.

  • Comment 10, posted at 21.01.09 11:53:30 by MorneN Reply
  • @MorneN (Comment 7) : You have a problem with us picking a Springbok hooker? 😕

  • Comment 11, posted at 21.01.09 12:02:24 by blckshrk - PROTEAS Reply

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  • @PJLD (Comment 9) : 😆 That’s for special occasions – like FINALS!

  • Comment 12, posted at 21.01.09 12:03:27 by blckshrk - PROTEAS Reply

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  • @blckshrk – PROTEAS (Comment 11) : 😀

  • Comment 13, posted at 21.01.09 12:04:23 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @MorneN (Comment 8) :
    And yet you will still lose…

  • Comment 14, posted at 21.01.09 12:05:52 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @blckshrk – PROTEAS (Comment 11) :

    Not at all, just a problem that you are not picking the best Springbok hooker.

  • Comment 15, posted at 21.01.09 12:06:22 by MorneN Reply
  • @Big Fish (Comment 14) :

    Even with the Sharks losing their first game, I reckon they got what it takes to go all the way, so it just irks me that they do not pick the best available people for the job.

  • Comment 16, posted at 21.01.09 12:07:21 by MorneN Reply
  • @MorneN (Comment 16) :

    I hope you guys lose with a Bonus Point on the 14TH.

  • Comment 17, posted at 21.01.09 12:14:03 by Big Fish Reply
    Big Fish
  • @MorneN (Comment 15) :

    The balance of the team is more important in this case.
    Nothing the Stormers would know about… 😈

  • Comment 18, posted at 21.01.09 12:21:16 by blckshrk - PROTEAS Reply

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  • @blckshrk – PROTEAS (Comment 18) :

    You are absolutely right this time, no jokes, and this is what I reckon the Sharks are getting wrong.

    You have a world class 3 in Jannie Dup – let Smit cover that in case of emergency but demote Jannie to the bench???

    You have the best captain and hooker in world rugby, now you want to stuff him around at 3?

    It seems Plumtree does not want to upset the applecart or piss on a few batteries but that unfortunately is the job of a top coach.

    Bismarck is not a better hooker than John, John is not a better 3 than Jannie, Johann is not a better captain than John.

    So why eff around with the balance, established balance I might add of the team?

  • Comment 19, posted at 21.01.09 12:32:36 by MorneN Reply
  • @MorneN (Comment 19) :
    Agree with you that John is the best hooker we have.

    Not a massive Jannie DuP fan myself however, so if John is gonna play for the Boks, I reckon he should first get provincial gametime anyway.

    I also dont read too much into the Captaincy issue. John is gonna be away for most of the season with the Boks – its better to let Muller captain as he will be around more.

    Anyway, John will still be a leader in the camp, of that there is no doubt: his skills will not be sidelined because he doesnt wear the armband: Muller is not Luke X.

  • Comment 20, posted at 21.01.09 12:36:33 by Big Fish Reply
    Big Fish
  • @MorneN (Comment 19) : Jannie? World Class 3 ? Yeah right 🙄

  • Comment 21, posted at 21.01.09 12:42:02 by blckshrk - PROTEAS Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 20) :

    Well I have a problem with John playing 3 for the Boks too so my issue is more than just with the Sharks.

    John will be available for the whole Super comp. The difference between Super rugby and CC rugby is massive, and the Sharks will lose half their team forget just John for the CC.

    Make Johann cappie for the CC.

    For me the rule of thumb is simple.

    Pick the best available, even if does upset the applecart.

    As for LukeX, please pass word around for someone to floor him good once and for all on the 14th please.

  • Comment 22, posted at 21.01.09 12:44:01 by MorneN Reply
  • @blckshrk – PROTEAS (Comment 21) :

    Oh so how did he become a Bok?

    By being CC quality?

  • Comment 23, posted at 21.01.09 12:44:32 by MorneN Reply
  • @Big Fish (Comment 20) : After a few games in the big league- Smit will prove to be a better TH than Dr. Jannie…who I feel is an overrated scrumming machine.

    Yeah- I’ll miss John’s quips during the post-match interviews…but other than that…the Sharks will be in the hands of capable leaders.

  • Comment 24, posted at 21.01.09 12:50:24 by blckshrk - PROTEAS Reply

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  • @MorneN (Comment 23) :
    Because South Africa is unfortunately not blessed with the highest quality of 3’s…at least not at the moment…but that will soon change. 🙂

  • Comment 25, posted at 21.01.09 12:51:50 by blckshrk - PROTEAS Reply

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  • @blckshrk – PROTEAS (Comment 25) :

    We have not have great 3’s for quite a number of years now – same as 10’s.

    A world cup medal however tells me you have some quality.

  • Comment 26, posted at 21.01.09 12:56:09 by MorneN Reply
  • @blckshrk – PROTEAS (Comment 25) : What about Big Brian Mujati…. 😉

  • Comment 27, posted at 21.01.09 12:57:06 by McLovin Reply

  • @McLovin (Comment 27) :

    He is nowhere near Eddie Andrews!

  • Comment 28, posted at 21.01.09 12:59:30 by MorneN Reply
  • @MorneN (Comment 28) : There will never be another Eddie Andrews. Such quality only arrives once in a million years. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 29, posted at 21.01.09 13:01:28 by McLovin Reply

  • @MorneN (Comment 26) : not to take anything away from Jannie…he has his strong points…but I just feel we can do better.

    Let us not forget that Jannie can ALSO play better…so we’ll have to wait and see. I’ll be the first to munch on the humble pie if he actually does become a WC TH…

    Sharks forever!

  • Comment 30, posted at 21.01.09 13:22:14 by blckshrk - PROTEAS Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 29) : :mrgreen: And cue wpw……..

  • Comment 31, posted at 21.01.09 13:24:06 by blckshrk - PROTEAS Reply

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  • @blckshrk – PROTEAS (Comment 31) :

    Did someone call??? 🙄

    Eddie Andrews is so yesterday’s news!!! My new hero is JP Duminy…

    Oh sack, this is not a cricket thread!!! 😯

  • Comment 32, posted at 21.01.09 13:27:58 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 32) :
    Like anyone is gonna believe that…

    Come on JP already has too many lovedaddies- Vaughn needs to be someone’s chubby lovechild too… 😈

  • Comment 33, posted at 21.01.09 13:34:10 by blckshrk - PROTEAS Reply

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  • @MorneN (Comment 19) :

    Couldn’t agree more… methinks Smit will be ‘looked after’ this year ‘game-time-wise’ with the Lions tour around the corner… hence Muller in the mix…

  • Comment 34, posted at 21.01.09 17:07:16 by bryce_in_oz Reply

  • I think your confused about what ‘dof’ is.
    I think you should go look in a mirror, and then come back MorneM

  • Comment 35, posted at 22.01.09 06:51:41 by NickyB Reply

  • @NickyB (Comment 35) :

    Slowly does it Nicky, We don’t go around calling people names, it makes for a much better website and we all just agree to disagree if we can’t see each others point.

  • Comment 36, posted at 22.01.09 07:05:04 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 36) : :mrgreen:

    Where’s Ice? 😥

  • Comment 37, posted at 22.01.09 09:07:37 by blckshrk - PROTEAS Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 36) :
    You are also dof. 😆

  • Comment 38, posted at 22.01.09 09:24:18 by Big Fish Reply
    Big Fish
  • @Big Fish (Comment 38) :

    Naught dude I am a shiny dude, have you seen how smooth my scalp is? 🙂

  • Comment 39, posted at 22.01.09 09:29:46 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 39) :
    I cant laugh too much, as you well know.

    My hirsute days are limited…

  • Comment 40, posted at 22.01.09 10:02:45 by Big Fish Reply
    Big Fish
  • Team has been announced

    15. Len Olivier
    14. Lwazi Mvovo
    13. Luzuko Vulindlu
    12. Andries Strauss
    11. Chris Jordaan
    10. Monty Dumond
    9. Charl McLeod
    8. Warren Whiteley
    7. Justin Downey
    6. Skholiwe Ndlovu
    5. Johan Snyman
    4. Alistair Hargreaves
    3. John Smit ( Capt )
    2. Craig Burden
    1. Melusi Mthethwa
    16. Frik Venter
    17. Wiehahn Herbst
    18. Steven Sykes
    19. Nikolai Blignaut
    20. Rory Kockott
    21. Ruan Pienaar
    22. Riaan Swanepoel

  • Comment 41, posted at 22.01.09 17:17:52 by KSA Shark © Reply

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