Lukas to start off the bench?

Written by Wesley Weber (wpw)

Posted in :In the news, Stormers, Super 14 on 11 Feb 2009 at 06:59
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Stephen Nell reports from Cape Town that Duane Vermeulen is believed to have the inside track to start at No 8 ahead of Luke Watson in the Stormers’ Super 14 opener against the Sharks at Newlands on Saturday.

While the Stormers held closed training sessions on Monday and Tuesday, the chances are apparently good that the loose-trio will consist of Schalk Burger, Francois Louw and Vermeulen.

It is anticipated that Watson will be on the bench when coach Rassie Erasmus on Wednesday announces his 22-man squad for the game.

Burger, who will play his 50th game for the Stormers, has apparently shaved off his blonde locks. “He almost looks a little like Wicus Blaauw,” said a team insider.

Vermeulen had an outstanding Super 14 with the Cheetahs last year and signed for Western Province in November. The composition of the Stormers loose-trio is one of the big talking points ahead of the game.

It is believed that Louw has recovered from his injury and Vermeulen did enough in the pre-season to win a place in the starting line-up and by yesterday afternoon there was still no certainty over the back three.

Fijian wing Sireli Naqelevuki is still recovering after injuring his ribs in the warm-up game against Boland. Erasmus said last week he would not expose Naqelevuki to risk.

The Stormers coach has several options, including asking Springbok fullback Conrad Jantjes to wear the No 11 jersey. Jantjes struggled with a groin injury in the pre-season, but is expected to be in the Stormers’ 22-man squad. Joe Pietersen and Nick Koster can also play on the wing.


  • Burger, who will play his 50th game for the Stormers, has apparently shaved off his blonde locks. “He almost looks a little like Wicus Blaauw,” said a team insider.

    Now THIS is an example of why we have such a bad reputation in Slaapstad.

    Who the HELL gives a damn if Schalk cut his hair??? 👿

  • Comment 1, posted at 11.02.09 07:01:17 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 1) : 😀 😆

  • Comment 2, posted at 11.02.09 07:03:20 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 1) :

    Maybe rassie Promised the Cape Media he would announce the team yesterday, but then he pulled a Rassie, so they had to come up with something to write. FAST!

    And if you need to get something published in CT there are two vital ingredients required. #46 and something to do with fasion or style. 😉

  • Comment 3, posted at 11.02.09 07:05:31 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • Well there goes our chances of beating the Sharks!!! (my excuses are in early)

    I was hoping the Sharks thugs would focus on ‘taking out’ Lukas which would free up our game breakers like Brok Harris and Hilton Lobberts! Dammit man!!!

    😕 🙄

  • Comment 4, posted at 11.02.09 07:07:53 by wpw Reply
  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 3) :

    You damn right about that… just talk about Jean’s new ‘highlights’ in his hair or Conrad’s sexy white boots, Did I just say sexy??? 😕

    Anyway, that’s all they need to do to confuse their OWN supporters!!! 😯

  • Comment 5, posted at 11.02.09 07:10:06 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 4) :


    I have to wonder about the reason behind Burger shaving his hair though. It would be interesting to find out if he believes he will be less visible with his blond mop flapping in the wind and in that way get away with more at the breakdown. (notice the lack of smileys, It is a serious question)

  • Comment 6, posted at 11.02.09 07:12:33 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 6) : that was my first thought as well

  • Comment 7, posted at 11.02.09 07:15:07 by robdylan Reply
  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 6) : @robdylan (Comment 7) :

    Well if that is the reason then its about damn time!!! 😉

  • Comment 8, posted at 11.02.09 07:18:56 by wpw Reply
  • Didn’t he start his career off with no hair? Maybe he wants to go back to where he started.

  • Comment 9, posted at 11.02.09 07:23:15 by molly Reply
  • Dammit, I’ve been sucked in. I DON’T CARE ABOUT HIS HAIR!!!!
    Now YOU mag is going to report about it too.

  • Comment 10, posted at 11.02.09 07:24:36 by molly Reply
  • @molly (Comment 10) :

    It is fine for you to ‘care about his hair’, you are a chic after all…

    Now if one of us had to say, ‘I like Schalk’s new haircut’ we will never hear the end of it!!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 11, posted at 11.02.09 07:33:01 by wpw Reply
  • Well nothing can top Rob talking about Keegans “having size where it matters most” comment, can it?

  • Comment 12, posted at 11.02.09 07:39:12 by molly Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 11) :

    Precisely why I deleted a comment before posting it.

    Coz I just KNEW it would be twisted and thrown back at me. 😆

  • Comment 13, posted at 11.02.09 07:44:45 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 12) :


    Good one molly!!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 14, posted at 11.02.09 07:48:07 by wpw Reply
  • Lukas on the bench, the Sharks hell bent on not starting with Smit…

    Man the news is just getting better and better.

  • Comment 15, posted at 11.02.09 07:53:16 by MorneN Reply
  • Morning ALL!!!

    MAN!! Driving to work this morning I all of a sudden realised…just 3 more sleeps!! I Felt like a teenager going to her first sokkie-jol!! :mrgreen: Weekends are gonna be GREAT again!! 😀

    On the note of (may I say my speciality 😉 ) Burgers hair…Did Samson not loose his strengt when he’s hair was cut off??? Soem food for thought, you Stormers??? 😆

  • Comment 16, posted at 11.02.09 08:16:44 by Ice (you can leave your hat on!) Reply
  • @Ice (you can leave your hat on!) (Comment 16) : oooo, desperate times for you shark supporters?

  • Comment 17, posted at 11.02.09 08:25:07 by molly Reply
  • @molly (Comment 17) :

    hey Molly!! Every little bit of advantage helps, you know! 😉

  • Comment 18, posted at 11.02.09 08:29:20 by Ice (you can leave your hat on!) Reply
  • I for one can’t wait for this first match to get out of the way…. the banter is just getting a tad bit out of hand…

    *Sharks supporters at fault of course 😈

  • Comment 19, posted at 11.02.09 08:29:41 by wpw Reply
  • The real story here is that he “almost” looks like Wicus Blaauw 😯 . 😀

  • Comment 20, posted at 11.02.09 08:33:26 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 19) :

    Yeah I agree. Let’s get this game over with so that we (Sharks and Stormers) can stand as one against the rest of the nation again. 😛

    This divide and conquer theory has quite a lot of merit. 😉

  • Comment 21, posted at 11.02.09 08:37:15 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • “Sharks thugs” (post 4) and “Arrogant Supporters” – Sauce.

    When did we lose our status as the poor cousins of rugby and become this vilified team and fan base?

    Has one Currie Cup victory turned us into scum?

  • Comment 22, posted at 11.02.09 08:39:46 by Baldrick Reply
  • I have just realised something else.

    Luke starting off the bench is nothing but a ploy by Rassie.

    A ploy to let Schalk take the field on his own and get a decent cheer for his 50th cap, so as not be drowned out by the cheer Luke will get for his 50th when he takes to the field. 😛

  • Comment 23, posted at 11.02.09 08:43:05 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 19) : I may shoulder a little bit of blame, but geez does it build up the game so nicely.

  • Comment 24, posted at 11.02.09 08:44:00 by molly Reply
  • @Baldrick (Comment 22) : morning bald rick. do you really have to take the bait every day? or are you a sucker for punishment?

  • Comment 25, posted at 11.02.09 08:46:08 by try time Reply
  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 23) : thats true, but I hope people are not so immature to ruin Schalk’s special occasion just for some eedjit that doesn’t deserve the focus he’s getting.

  • Comment 26, posted at 11.02.09 08:48:44 by molly Reply
  • The reason for Schalkies hair cut is really simple. He must have got him another girlfriend. Last time he told us thats when he fire them. 😎 Nah he is getting to adult stage now.

    Cant wait to see Schalk , Duanne & Louw tearing in the Tjarks, come saturday come.

  • Comment 27, posted at 11.02.09 08:52:44 by PaarlBok Reply
  • @try time (Comment 25) : If I recall, Schalk got a yellow card last year against the Sharks, so not sure who the thugs should be, us or them.

    I take offence as a Sharks upporter on a Sharks-site for people to slag them off.

  • Comment 28, posted at 11.02.09 08:53:04 by Baldrick Reply
  • @Baldrick (Comment 22) : All in jest – i hold you Tjorks in the highest esteem. It just seems wrong not to have a verbal joust before the opener …after this week normal service will return.

  • Comment 29, posted at 11.02.09 08:53:41 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 23) :

    I was thinking the very same thing!!! :mrgreen:

    Great minds and all that… 😕

  • Comment 30, posted at 11.02.09 08:53:42 by wpw Reply
  • @Baldrick (Comment 22) : Dont worry Boet, your biggest thug playing now for the Stormers, AJ. 😉

    There will be blodd on saturday, make no mistake, thats just the way it is.

  • Comment 31, posted at 11.02.09 08:54:51 by PaarlBok Reply
  • @Baldrick (Comment 28) : i let the sharks do the dirty work. they will silence the wp poefs on saturday.

  • Comment 32, posted at 11.02.09 08:55:22 by try time Reply
  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 29) :

    with us having bragging rights of course!!! 😈

  • Comment 33, posted at 11.02.09 08:55:42 by wpw Reply
  • @try time (Comment 32) : i wouldn’t say that though if kaplan was the ref. but i like mark lawrence he is very fair.

  • Comment 34, posted at 11.02.09 08:56:07 by try time Reply
  • @Baldrick (Comment 28) : Broer if I remember correct that yellow origin from your captain hitting Mujatsi in the mouth and Schalk just try to take the two apart. So please dont judge thuggish by yellows.

  • Comment 35, posted at 11.02.09 08:56:35 by PaarlBok Reply
  • @PaarlBok (Comment 31) : yeah hopefully the blood will be puke shitwalker’s.

  • Comment 36, posted at 11.02.09 08:57:31 by try time Reply
  • Cant believe , a thread about Puke and we actually talking rugby for a change, that have to be a first!. 😎

  • Comment 37, posted at 11.02.09 08:57:54 by PaarlBok Reply
  • @PaarlBok (Comment 35) : cry cry cry.

  • Comment 38, posted at 11.02.09 08:58:05 by try time Reply
  • @PaarlBok (Comment 35) :

    And wasn’t that other ‘box’ die ref that day??? Willie Roos??

    What a plank!!! 👿

  • Comment 39, posted at 11.02.09 09:03:06 by wpw Reply
  • The Strompies already whiney, whiney about the Ref 🙄
    Seems like the excuse plans are already in tact… 😈

  • Comment 40, posted at 11.02.09 09:05:46 by Charlie Reply
  • @PaarlBok (Comment 31) : Ja BLOEDBAD, after the SHARK ATTACK :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 41, posted at 11.02.09 09:07:22 by Charlie Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 39) : i thought he had a reasonable game. wp came in with a bad attitude because he had a bad game the previous week. if you worry about the ref instead of your game you are going to fail.

  • Comment 42, posted at 11.02.09 09:09:42 by try time Reply
  • @Charlie (Comment 41) : yeah they are leaving luke on the bench, because him on the field is chumming for sharks. and we all know chumming leads to shark attacks.

  • Comment 43, posted at 11.02.09 09:11:11 by try time Reply
  • @Charlie (Comment 40) : Jeez you clearly missed Plumtree acting like a girl about straight scrumming yesterday.

  • Comment 44, posted at 11.02.09 09:13:25 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 42) : Send that comment to your coach.

  • Comment 45, posted at 11.02.09 09:13:54 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
    Worcestershire Sauce
  • Black and White. Nothing else matters. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 46, posted at 11.02.09 09:14:04 by Charlie Reply
  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 44) : no he has learnt from the best that that is the only way you get through to thge refs. the aussies and kiwis have used those tactics successfully for years. why not use it in sa.

  • Comment 47, posted at 11.02.09 09:15:29 by try time Reply
  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 45) :

    touche!!!!!!!!!!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 48, posted at 11.02.09 09:16:51 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 47) : there is no point whining after the game. the points stand. it is called a pre-emptive strike.

  • Comment 49, posted at 11.02.09 09:17:13 by try time Reply
  • just remember we’ve all got to be friends again next week, so we can gang up on the crims, sheep-molesters and Bulls

  • Comment 50, posted at 11.02.09 09:18:29 by robdylan Reply
  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 44) : At least Plum knows what he’s talking about… 😉

  • Comment 51, posted at 11.02.09 09:19:17 by Charlie Reply
  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 44) : A technical question, maybe KSA can answer from a ref’s point of view, and anyone who played prop?

    If a player is angling in, why can’t the opposition push straight. By the angle, the oppo cheating prop will end up 90 degrees to his original position and the better pack (ie Sharks) will reduce him to nothing?

  • Comment 52, posted at 11.02.09 09:20:26 by Baldrick Reply
  • i think plum outsmarted rassie. by challenging the ref to patrol the sharks strong point well, he knows that the publics attention will be on just how well he controls the scrum. the ref knows if he gets it wrong there will be an outcry so he has to be vigilant. if he is vigilant the sharks will walk all over the piss poor excuse for props weepee has. i remember bj being played out of a bok game by the aussies not so long ago with the exact same tactic.

  • Comment 53, posted at 11.02.09 09:21:24 by try time Reply
  • @Baldrick (Comment 52) : as far as i know the player coming in scew splits the power of the opposition. so the opposition can’t get a drive going because the power is spread. it is like flattening a needle point.

  • Comment 54, posted at 11.02.09 09:24:44 by try time Reply
  • @try time (Comment 53) : please, these “requests” come in so thick and fast these days, just makes it easier for refs to ignore them. Now that its a norm before every game means it won’t be excercised diligantly.
    Rassie’s got it right by concentrating on his team rather than the press/ref.

  • Comment 55, posted at 11.02.09 09:25:11 by molly Reply
  • @molly (Comment 55) : no rassie hasn’t had time to do anything because he is to busy training the dof wp guys how to read disco lights.

  • Comment 56, posted at 11.02.09 09:27:54 by try time Reply
  • @molly (Comment 55) : also remember refs love the attention, so they read everything about themselves.

  • Comment 57, posted at 11.02.09 09:30:24 by try time Reply
  • @Charlie (Comment 51) : From your perspective of course…otherwise he really is just another small town boy from the land of love thy sheep. 😆

    @Baldrick (Comment 52) : Yea i actually agree, but i suspect the pushing in element only really comes from the Loosehead – who then shifts the oppo’s tighhead inwards and they lose that forward momentum.

    FYI – i never played prop so i am about as qualified as the refs to police the scrum

  • Comment 58, posted at 11.02.09 09:31:41 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Baldrick (Comment 52) :

    you need Dancing bear to answer this one for you from a playing point of view.

  • Comment 59, posted at 11.02.09 09:34:59 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 56) : oh u got it sooo wrong, cape town has the qeeuns of disco!!!!! 😆

  • Comment 60, posted at 11.02.09 09:36:41 by willa Reply
  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 58) : no it is the tighthead that goes in scew. he breaks the loosehead away from the hooker. a loosehead going in scew would only shift drive sideways and tighten up the opposition forward pack. this would hinder his own team more. the loosehead disrupts by not binding or binding wrong so that the opp tighthead gets no “grip”.

  • Comment 62, posted at 11.02.09 09:41:28 by try time Reply
  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 58) :

    never played prop so i am about as qualified as the refs to police the scrum :mrgreen: :mrgreen: I played Hooker and then scrumhalf. ;wink:

    Hurts like hell when the oppo tighthead has a go at you (as a hooker).

    You then (as a ref) need to decide who is scrumming skew. Is the LH scrumming in on the TH causing him to squeeze the hooker or is the TH scrumming in on the Hokker causing the LH to swing skew?

    From my point of view I try (if i remember 😉 ) look at their legs and body before the engage. You can sometimes see that the prop is going in at an angle by his body position then already.

  • Comment 63, posted at 11.02.09 09:42:18 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 61) :

    I’m having a look at that as we speak actually 😆

  • Comment 64, posted at 11.02.09 09:42:58 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • @willa (Comment 60) : thats the problem. everytime rassie uses his disco lights the poefs start dancing. it is like pavlovs dog.

  • Comment 65, posted at 11.02.09 09:43:15 by try time Reply
  • @try time (Comment 62) : It always seems like Beast, CJ or the losseheads getting pinged by the ref then…so what you saying is really is that the refs are about as clueless as we are. 😆

  • Comment 66, posted at 11.02.09 09:45:07 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 63) : isn’t another way to check for it is if the th takes a little step to the side before engagement?

  • Comment 67, posted at 11.02.09 09:45:07 by try time Reply
  • @try time (Comment 67) :

    Thats how I coached my props 😉

  • Comment 68, posted at 11.02.09 09:46:26 by MorneN Reply
  • This is boring…

    Lerts rather talk cricket…

  • Comment 69, posted at 11.02.09 09:48:28 by Hmmm Reply
  • Rankings….

    1 South Africa 125
    2 Australia 124
    3 India 120
    4 New Zealand 114
    5 Pakistan 111
    6 England 108
    7 Sri Lanka 105
    8 West Indies 91
    9 Bangladesh 46
    10 Zimbabwe 23
    11 Ireland 19
    12 Kenya 0

  • Comment 70, posted at 11.02.09 09:49:57 by Hmmm Reply
  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 66) : no you find the looseheads come in to low or don’t take the bind that is why they get pinged more. they are in the open and it is easier to see, than a th doing something illegal.

  • Comment 71, posted at 11.02.09 09:49:59 by try time Reply
  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 66) : but i also agree on your point about the refs. 😉

  • Comment 72, posted at 11.02.09 09:51:50 by try time Reply
  • @try time (Comment 67) :

    Yip. As i said above look at the legs and body at the engage. if he steps sideways at the engage his body will come it at an angle.

    my OPINION (This has nothing to do with the Laws etc) on trying to stay straight when the oppos scrums at an angle is that the result will differ in everycase depending on sheer strength.

    As an example: If the LH is strong and straight and the TH is strong but skew. then the hooker will only be able to last so long depending on his strength. All the pressure from the skew Th pluss the EXTRA pressure from the LH on him will be exerted on the LH’s Hooker.

    And in that vain there are umpteen possibilities as to who is going to come of 2nd best

  • Comment 73, posted at 11.02.09 09:52:00 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • @Hmmm (Comment 70) :

    The NZ surely cancelled out some real bad games cozz they were on 88 points after our series with Aus…
    A jump from 88 to 114 is some jump in 4 games!??!

  • Comment 74, posted at 11.02.09 09:52:11 by Hmmm Reply
  • @MorneN (Comment 68) : i thought so. 😀 as you know it is effective.

  • Comment 75, posted at 11.02.09 09:53:02 by try time Reply
  • So we win the ICC ODI shield thingy and $175 000 again on 1 April as nobody can pass us!??!

  • Comment 76, posted at 11.02.09 09:53:13 by Hmmm Reply
  • @try time (Comment 56) : :mrgreen: 😆

  • Comment 77, posted at 11.02.09 09:55:17 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 73) : i wasn’t disagreeing, i was adding that in. also locks play a big part in the success of the process.

  • Comment 78, posted at 11.02.09 09:57:43 by try time Reply
  • @try time (Comment 75) :


    You stay straight, engage straight and legal bind up quickly but the pressure points on the oppo changes dramatically and they tend to be loose, loose their bind or twist their hips and body position on impact of engage.

    On their ball, the hooker and your LH widens the gap between them oh so slightly so the TH of theirs is ‘loose’ on his engage, cannot apply the pressure he wants to and you either force him to scrum in, loose his bind or change his foot position to auto-correct and then you scrum the kak out of him when he changes his feet or re-shuffles.

    Those front row okes are skelms!

    They taught me all these things!

  • Comment 79, posted at 11.02.09 09:58:33 by MorneN Reply
  • Stormers rugby news can be sooooo boring sometimes….

  • Comment 80, posted at 11.02.09 10:01:23 by Hmmm Reply
  • @Hmmm (Comment 76) : aussies could win it if they beat nz in the final game, so it isn’t cut and dry yet.

  • Comment 81, posted at 11.02.09 10:03:48 by try time Reply
  • Hmmm

    Does this look like a cricket thread to you??? 😈

  • Comment 82, posted at 11.02.09 10:05:12 by wpw Reply
    Sport24 Plonker of the Year 2008: Luke Watson (File)
    Cape Town – It’s possibly not the laurel you would give pride of place to on your mantelpiece for life but … hey, someone’s got to have it.

    And the winner – not so much by a landslide as by an avalanche of deep-rumbling Alpine proportions – is Luke Watson.

    Yes, the Stormers and Springbok loose forward is Sport24’s maiden annual “Plonker” after dominating, to put it mildly, the month-by-month choice during 2008 for your votes.

    Our tongues are always firmly lodged in their cheeks when we name our luckless candidates each month, of course, but not even we anticipated the spirited welter of support (er, is that the right word?) for our friend Luke.

    He was the October candidate after his explosive pronouncements at an Ubumbo function at UCT Rugby Club, apparently using derogatory words against Afrikaans-speaking people and claiming he sometimes “wanted to vomit” on the Springbok jersey.

    Instead his actions appeared to earn him the widespread new title of “Puke” Watson – or at the very least the suggestion that he’s been “a very, very Cheeky boy” – and every now and then an audible barrage of terrace raspberries when he had ball in hand during pre-season match activity. (What will the season-proper hold for him, especially on the highveld, we wonder?)

    Nobody else came within the proverbial 500 yards – no, not Mike Stofile, for his occasionally cranky statements concerning politics and sport, and not even SA Rugby for their four-figure price fixing of tickets for the British and Irish Lions Tests in mid-year, which went down like a lead balloon.

    Mr Watson, you see, hogged an incredible 81 percent of the poll, with Stofile a hugely distant runner-up (7 percent) and SA Rugby earning the “bronze” with a mere 5.9 percent.

    Now Sport24 tried, through official (read: Stormers media department) channels to contact Luke and inform him of his runaway win, inviting him to accept it in good, humorous spirit and thus possibly also earn back a few of his ex-supporters.

    We had not received a reply at the time of writing …

    *On Thursday we will announce the Sport24 Star of the Year. We can also tell you for free that the recipient was suitably chuffed to get it!

  • Comment 83, posted at 11.02.09 10:06:06 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 79) : so for a couch coach, i am not so dumb. 😆 but yes a tiny step can totally ruin a scrum. where do you put your bigger lock? i would think behind the th to help him burrow. thats why i think johan muller is better than bakkies. he is a far better scrummager. thats why the sharks hammer the bulls scrums.

  • Comment 84, posted at 11.02.09 10:07:54 by try time Reply
  • @Hmmm (Comment 80) : So what is the Lions take on their game on Friday against the Bulls….feeling confident ( not to be mistaken with arrogant)

  • Comment 85, posted at 11.02.09 10:08:25 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 85) : it would be an interesting take as the lions are playing the cheetahs.

  • Comment 86, posted at 11.02.09 10:11:24 by try time Reply
  • @MorneN (Comment 79) :
    Assuming that all these tricks are known to all front rows, especialyy at the top flight, then the team with the put in should always have the advantage but yet we see some teams scrums destroyed on their own ball. How does that come about, considering that at that level most scrums should be equal in weight and strength and technical ability.

  • Comment 87, posted at 11.02.09 10:11:49 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 84) :

    Better scrumming lock behind the TH

  • Comment 88, posted at 11.02.09 10:14:10 by MorneN Reply
  • @try time (Comment 86) : :mrgreen: brain fart :mrgreen:

  • Comment 89, posted at 11.02.09 10:14:27 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 87) : the answer is simple. locks. have you noticed how the sharks tight 5 seem stronger than the boks. and my take is that bakkies and matfield are great loose forwards, but shit scrummagers.

  • Comment 90, posted at 11.02.09 10:17:05 by try time Reply
  • @Salmonoid (Comment 87) :

    You have to remember that most of these things, which is really just touching the tip of it all, came from props in their 30’s when I learned about this.

    Experience comes with time…

    I think most important here is that if you want to disrupt a oppo scrum, disrupt their balance, hitting area and get them to start shuffling their feet.

    The impact is the most important aspect of a scrum as far as I understood all this, get this right and disrupt theirs, and the other scrum is in trouble immediately.

    It is also statistically proven that the front rows on average, are the players with the highest IQ’s in rugby.

    No jokes.

  • Comment 91, posted at 11.02.09 10:18:05 by MorneN Reply
  • @MorneN (Comment 88) : thought so. thats why i rate muller better than bakkies. and the bok “brains” (i use this term loosely) trust get it wrong every year.

  • Comment 92, posted at 11.02.09 10:18:31 by try time Reply
  • @Salmonoid (Comment 87) :

    Also, as TT mentions aspect such as lock play, and even flankers start playing a role once you delf deeper into the abyss that is the scrum…

  • Comment 93, posted at 11.02.09 10:19:25 by MorneN Reply
  • @try time (Comment 86) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 94, posted at 11.02.09 10:20:52 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • @MorneN (Comment 91) : ha ha, explains the bulls and wp dilemna. mujati is no brain scientist.

  • Comment 95, posted at 11.02.09 10:21:06 by try time Reply
  • jannie and john on the other hand seem quite bright to me.

  • Comment 96, posted at 11.02.09 10:21:54 by try time Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 82) :

    Cricket or Stormers…hmmmmm

    Obviously Cricket…

  • Comment 97, posted at 11.02.09 10:22:46 by Hmmm Reply
  • @MorneN (Comment 93) : yes flankers play a big part in helping the loosehead. i remember beast battling when he first started. and then suddenly improved. it was cos they kept moving aj around. when aj (in his prime) was behind beast he scrummed well and when he dropped it was cos botes was behind him. that is why deysel is important to our success.

  • Comment 98, posted at 11.02.09 10:24:38 by try time Reply
  • @MorneN (Comment 91) :
    So if a teams scrum constantly struggles – from week to week, then would it be fair to say that a change of personel in players and coaches would be a priority.

    After reading about frontrowers play I can well believe that they are no monkeys.

  • Comment 99, posted at 11.02.09 10:24:50 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 99) :

    Struggling week in and week out – you have to start asking questions about the coaching and experience of the tight 5.

  • Comment 100, posted at 11.02.09 10:27:07 by MorneN Reply
  • So Luke will start his 50th game on the bench…with all of his hair… 🙄

  • Comment 101, posted at 11.02.09 10:29:41 by blackshark Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 99) : ah but be careful. look at the lions their scrum is strong because their coach is an ex tight forward, but he has kak knowledge about backlines and that is where they fail.

  • Comment 102, posted at 11.02.09 10:33:35 by try time Reply
  • @try time (Comment 81) :

    They can’t catch us…so yes it is cut and dry… BIFF and his troops will get the cheque and the trophy…

    The ICC today announced that on the current ODI schedule, no other team can match South Africa and with the Proteas themselves not playing any matches before April 1, they will not be budging from the top rating they currently enjoy.

    “Prior to Tuesday`s match between New Zealand and Australia in Adelaide, only the Black Caps could possibly have overtaken the Proteas on the table before April 1. But their defeat means that even if they were to win the remaining ODI in this series and then beat India 5-0 next month, they would still fall short of South Africa`s current rating of 125,” an ICC statement said.

    Smith`s men will pocket USD 175,000 apart from the ICC ODI Championship shield carries, while the second placed team will be richer by USD 75,000

    So thanks a lot to the Aussies for beating the Black Caps…even though I seriously doubt that they were gonna beat India 5-0. 🙂

  • Comment 103, posted at 11.02.09 10:46:02 by blackshark Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 102) :
    Seems as if the ideal is to have a top coach for all facets of play. Balie Swart has long been associated with coaching the Sharks scrum without actually being the forwards coach. Is he still with the Sharks?

  • Comment 104, posted at 11.02.09 10:48:02 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • while there is a lull, i thought i would say this. i have been hard on frans. he hasn’t been my favourite shark. but i thought it is a new season, so i’ll give him the benefit of the doubt. i am going to be nice to goldilocks until he brings out my ire again. so go frans, i hope you are over your self love stage and now want to join the team. i hope you have a great season. remember if you make the guys around you look good, they’ll return the favour. oh and my advice for saturday is, a loose pass will make jean look good and ruin your bok ambitions so look after that ball.

  • Comment 105, posted at 11.02.09 10:49:41 by try time Reply
  • @try time (Comment 105) :

    Good words TT…I hope the others (cough – Rob – cough) will follow your good example. 🙂

    Go Sharks and kick ass Frans!!!

  • Comment 106, posted at 11.02.09 10:51:35 by blackshark Reply
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  • @blackshark (Comment 103) : but the aussies are only one point behind the proteas and a series win would put them above us wouldn’t it?

  • Comment 107, posted at 11.02.09 10:52:07 by try time Reply
  • @Salmonoid (Comment 104) : not as far as i know, unless he is coaching the lower teams.

  • Comment 108, posted at 11.02.09 10:53:27 by try time Reply
  • @try time (Comment 102) : Wasn’t he a scrumhalf?

  • Comment 109, posted at 11.02.09 10:54:51 by Baldrick Reply
  • How did this turn into a cricket/Sharks thread??? 😈

    Bastardos!!! 😕

  • Comment 110, posted at 11.02.09 10:58:45 by wpw Reply
  • @try time (Comment 107) :

    As it turns out…the scoring system is not as simple as getting a point per victory…they’ll probably get 0,something for the victory…

    @wpw (Comment 110) :

    I haven’t had the chance to read Tomkins’ long article… 😛

  • Comment 111, posted at 11.02.09 11:02:35 by blackshark Reply
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  • @Baldrick (Comment 109) : maybe someone can check for us, but i am sure he was a tight forward.

  • Comment 112, posted at 11.02.09 11:10:42 by try time Reply
  • @blackshark (Comment 111) : thats cool. that makes it 3 years in a row

  • Comment 113, posted at 11.02.09 11:11:24 by try time Reply
  • @blackshark (Comment 106) : I read on Keo that I need to back Frans… 🙂

  • Comment 114, posted at 11.02.09 11:13:54 by robdylan Reply
  • @Baldrick (Comment 109) : maybe you are right looking at his size. pity sa rugby doesn’t have anymore detail. but i’ll add scrummies on my list as shit coaches if he is, cos kevin putt wasn’t much better.

  • Comment 115, posted at 11.02.09 11:16:16 by try time Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 114) : ha ha ha. you are quite a character if you make it onto keo. 😀

  • Comment 116, posted at 11.02.09 11:18:04 by try time Reply
  • @try time (Comment 81) :

    Actually it is…not matter which two win we stay ahead of both and even if NZ beat India 5 – 0 in their series before 1 April we will still be ahead of them…
    If NZ won the 4th and 5th and beat India 5 – 0 then they could pass us…

    Now no one can before 1 April…and we don’t play ODI again before then…

  • Comment 117, posted at 11.02.09 11:19:29 by Hmmm Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 114) :

    Really? Where? 😛

  • Comment 118, posted at 11.02.09 11:19:38 by blackshark Reply
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  • Ok…

    It’s no big secret …I feel really good about our chances for the showdown on Saturday…and for the competition as a whole.

    We’ve kept faith in the boys when things didn’t look too good…so why not now when they look promising?

    Good luck SHARKS – make us proud…and thank God I’m not stuck with football anymore !!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 119, posted at 11.02.09 11:23:21 by blackshark Reply
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  • @Hmmm (Comment 117) : as i said, thats good news.

  • Comment 120, posted at 11.02.09 11:24:25 by try time Reply
  • @Pokkel (Comment 85) :

    Not playing the Bulls though…LIONS vs Cheetahs at Awesome Park in Driefontein Johannesburg…

    And it is gonna be a tough match but I back the LIONS to take it with bonus points all around (don’t think the def is gonna be all that great this game for some reason)….highscoring with Rose and Andre’s boots being the dif…

  • Comment 121, posted at 11.02.09 11:28:29 by Hmmm Reply
  • @try time (Comment 108) : @Salmonoid (Comment 104) :
    Seems as if Balie Swart is still in KZN and will be involved with Hilton College for at least some time of the year. This from the Hilton College section under Keo’s Schools derby….
    “Richter has also enlisted the services of Balie Swart, the 1995 World Cup-winning Bok and scrum guru, who should add some firepower to the pack.”

  • Comment 122, posted at 11.02.09 11:32:25 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 120) :

    Ok I did not get that part…

  • Comment 123, posted at 11.02.09 11:34:06 by Hmmm Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 39) : Doos was vlagman, think it was a Kiwi ref and Doos totally got it wrong.

    @Salmonoid (Comment 122) :

    Balie sure is a Paarl Gimmie Legend, about time he learn the souties from Hilton some Gimmie Guts lessons. 😉

  • Comment 124, posted at 11.02.09 11:38:13 by PaarlBok Reply
  • @Hmmm (Comment 121) : seeing that walter is hiding and you are the next in line lions guru, what position did loffie play. i have a feeling it was prop for the bulls.

  • Comment 125, posted at 11.02.09 11:40:23 by try time Reply
  • @PaarlBok (Comment 124) :
    Just as long as he is around KZN somewhere and can be easily contacted when necessary. Agree on those Hilton softies. 😉

    BTW Have you fed and watered the oxen and oiled the wheels for the groot trek on Saturday.

  • Comment 126, posted at 11.02.09 11:49:19 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 126) :
    Might mist this one due to other commitments. 😥 😥

    Will wait for Claytie’s report tho. 💡

  • Comment 127, posted at 11.02.09 12:03:00 by PaarlBok Reply
  • @PaarlBok (Comment 127) :

    Off the topic – do you maybe know anyone from the Boland Atheletics Union?

  • Comment 128, posted at 11.02.09 12:05:57 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 128) :
    I do know a few Boland athletes parents from KleinGimbut if you are talking about Boland Ussasa , nothing about them. Just know they cause a lot of trouble for our kids because of stupid politics around here.

  • Comment 129, posted at 11.02.09 12:15:24 by PaarlBok Reply
  • @PaarlBok (Comment 127) : Not going to be at the game PB (due to other commitments) but i’ve got something to put on the site 😉

  • Comment 130, posted at 11.02.09 12:25:04 by PJLD(Sharks supporters are all fairweather bandwagon jumpers) Reply
  • @PaarlBok (Comment 129) :
    Its the crowd that administer the Dal Josafat stadium, who I presume are Usassa. Id love to know what their electricity account is because for the last couple of months whenever Ive been to family in Wellington their lights are burning, day or night. I wonder if they have heard of the power crisis.

  • Comment 131, posted at 11.02.09 12:25:42 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 131) :
    Maybe they are just scared they’d be without a tartar baan when the sun come up. 🙄

    Sure the Mislukkepaliteit do manage the stadium.

  • Comment 132, posted at 11.02.09 12:37:26 by PaarlBok Reply
  • @PJLD(Sharks supporters are all fairweather bandwagon jumpers) (Comment 130) :
    Like djou title, ek se!

    Wish I can change mine to but lets say it friends benefits. 😆

    PaarlBok (like tjarks met skerp tanne) of so iets. 💡

  • Comment 133, posted at 11.02.09 12:39:17 by PaarlBok Reply
  • teams announced, teams announced!

  • Comment 134, posted at 11.02.09 12:44:53 by molly Reply
  • huh! where!?

  • Comment 135, posted at 11.02.09 12:47:16 by PJLD(Sharks supporters are all fairweather bandwagon jumpers) Reply
  • Stormers: 15 Conrad Jantjes, 14 Tonderai Chavhanga, 13 Gcobani Bobo, 12 Jean de Villiers (captain), 11 Nick Koster, 10 Peter Grant, 9 Enrico Januarie, 8 Duane Vermeulen, 7 Francois Louw, 6 Schalk Burger, 5 Andries Bekker, 4 Adrian Fondse, 3 Brian Mujati, 2 Schalk Brits, 1 JD Moller.
    Replacements: 16 Deon Fourie, 17 Wikus Blaauw, 18 AJ Venter, 19 Luke Watson, 20 Bolla Conradie, 21 Joe Pietersen, 22 Percy Montgomery.

  • Comment 136, posted at 11.02.09 12:55:12 by try time Reply
  • looks like rassie is over his silly games. unless he is planning to surprise on saturday. decent team, but when you look at it on paper sharks should take this game in the last 20.

  • Comment 137, posted at 11.02.09 12:56:48 by try time Reply
  • Koster on the wing?? 😯

  • Comment 138, posted at 11.02.09 12:57:18 by wpw Reply
  • Not a bad team at all… we can take the Sharks!!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 139, posted at 11.02.09 12:58:00 by wpw Reply
  • Can you believe the stormers team sheet is out before the Sharks (or any opposition for that matter)?

  • Comment 140, posted at 11.02.09 13:03:08 by molly Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 139) : we WILL take the sharks 😉

  • Comment 141, posted at 11.02.09 13:04:13 by molly Reply
  • 15-Stefan vs Jantjies: Stefan takes it for this type of tight game
    14-odwa vs koster: odwa takes it on experience
    13-adi vs bobo: evens depends on bobos catching skills.
    12-frans vs jean: jean will have to take this on experience and leadership
    11-jp vs tonderai: jp has a better all round game.
    10-ruan vs grant: what i have seen so far grant has no chance.
    9-rory vs rickie: too tight to call.
    8-ryan vs duane: ryan has the edge here
    7- deysel vs schalk: deysel as schalk is a liabilty. his disciplinary record overshadows his skill.
    6- botes vs louw: louw might be better in the tight, but botes defence will even it up.
    5-sykes vs bekker: bekker gets this due to his lineout ability
    4-johan vs fondse: johan by a mile
    3-jannie vs mujati: both can get moggie but jannie has the edge
    2-bis vs brits: no comparison.
    1-beast/deon vs moller: moller comes third to both of these.

  • Comment 142, posted at 11.02.09 13:08:07 by try time Reply
  • the only names of worth on the stormers bench is percy and luke (on a good day)

  • Comment 143, posted at 11.02.09 13:09:59 by try time Reply
  • Stormers team thread is up and i have an interesting question?????????

  • Comment 144, posted at 11.02.09 13:10:21 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 142) :

    thanks for the unbiased view there TT 😕

  • Comment 145, posted at 11.02.09 13:22:02 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 145) : @try time (Comment 142) :

    Too kind to the Stormers there…

    Man for man…and on paper…we should murder them…the only debatable ones being 5, 9 and 12…

    all we need is for the Sharks to prove that we are the most balanced team in this country and beat the hell out of the Stormers. SHAARRRKKSS!!!

  • Comment 146, posted at 11.02.09 13:40:03 by blackshark Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 141) :


  • Comment 147, posted at 12.02.09 18:03:56 by Hmmm Reply
  • If Vermeulen plays the way he did last year…the bench is gonna be the new home for Luke….

  • Comment 148, posted at 12.02.09 18:22:10 by Hmmm Reply
  • @Hmmm (Comment 148) : If all goes to plan soon PE will be his new home. 😉

  • Comment 149, posted at 12.02.09 18:24:55 by McLovin Reply
  • @McLovin (Comment 149) :

    And he will not play any S14??

  • Comment 150, posted at 12.02.09 18:31:46 by Hmmm Reply
  • @Hmmm (Comment 150) : He’ll play for the new SE Cape franchise.

  • Comment 151, posted at 12.02.09 18:34:00 by McLovin Reply

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