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Lions Grab Five Point Win

Written by Neill Arnall (Rugby Guru)

Posted in :Cheetahs, Lions, Original Content, Super 14 on 13 Feb 2009 at 22:47
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The Lions have 5 Super Super 14 Points! That’s 40% of the log points they scored in the 2008 Competition and while the victory over the Cheetahs was deserved the big question is – Are their next opponents the Sharks quaking in their boots yet?…

Not likely! Unlike the plethora of sulking Cheetahs fan’s who called in to SuperSport after the game to cry about referee Craig Joubert, I firmly believe the better team won on the day, and won well. Both yellow cards were justified and to be honest Meyer Bosman was lucky not to get a red card for what was a cheap shot. The Lions had the majority of the possession; their scrum annihilated the Cheetahs and at times their offloading in the tackle and pace out wide was quite sublime. It’s true that they couldn’t buy lineout ball and the Cheetahs are hardly top drawer opposition but the game never lacked excitement and anything other than a Lions victory would have been a travesty.

Andre Pretorius looked rusty and took a while to settle down. Maybe its just me or the fact that I recently upgraded my television set to a 50 inch ‘big boy’ but Andre looks like he spent his time in rehab scoffing all the pies. The former Bok fly-half was a patch on his old self and is going to take a few games to settle back into the pace of Super rugby. The Lions loosies just shaded their fancied counterparts with Willem Alberts proving a handful when he managed to work up a head of stem. American import Todd Clever showed some real muscle and is certainly a powerful individual who could yet become a fan favourite. Ashwin Willemse scored two tries on his return and can be proud of his work-rate while Shark retread Henno Mentz thrived on the Lions policy of spreading it wide and played with real passion.

Speaking of the Sharks, unless the men in black implode spectacularly at Newlands they can bank on an easy five pointer at Kings Park in round two. The Lions are an improved side who will give a few teams a run for their money but they remain a bottom five side. Then again they are my bottom five side!


  • Super 12. ❓

  • Comment 1, posted at 13.02.09 23:22:21 by McLovin Reply
  • yes, Cheetahs and Stormers are the other 2 teams and they aint super!

  • Comment 2, posted at 13.02.09 23:35:21 by walter van Reply
    walter van Lions World
  • @walter van (Comment 2) : Fighting talk… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 3, posted at 14.02.09 00:02:28 by McLovin Reply
  • the lions were good, but not clinical. They can build a lot on that performance

  • Comment 4, posted at 14.02.09 00:52:54 by robdylan Reply
  • Battle of the wooden-spooners… no more no less…

  • Comment 5, posted at 14.02.09 01:43:30 by bryce_in_oz Reply
  • Good for the Lions , but next weekend no dice 😆

  • Comment 6, posted at 14.02.09 05:46:20 by sharks 30 Reply
  • @walter van (Comment 2) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 7, posted at 14.02.09 07:10:34 by KSA Shark © Reply
    KSA Shark ©
  • @robdylan (Comment 4) :

    agreed, we played against 14 players for 20 mins and still almost lost the game…we were poor in most of the 2nd half..I’m not sure that the guys that came on from the bench were really up to the task.

  • Comment 8, posted at 14.02.09 07:23:10 by walter van Reply
    walter van Lions World
  • @walter van (Comment 8) :

    I think the Lions changed the plan at half time and it was almost a fatal mistake. The change was evident with the amount of kicks for territory that suddenly appeared in the second half from Rose and Pretorius. Pretorius underestimating the power in his boot on no less than 4 occasions didn’t really help the matter either.

  • Comment 9, posted at 14.02.09 07:26:21 by KSA Shark © Reply
    KSA Shark ©
  • Super 12? Too many post game beers! Got confused between the 12 points the Lions got last year. Apologies – have edited post.

  • Comment 10, posted at 14.02.09 10:51:12 by Rugby Guru Reply
    Rugby Guru
  • their scrum annihilated the Cheetahs

    That is so true! I was expecting the SA Prop factory to reveal yet another rough diamond in their front row and nothing happened.

    When is the last time a Cheetah pack couldn’t hold their own in a scrum? 🙁

  • Comment 11, posted at 14.02.09 10:54:47 by KSA Shark © Reply
    KSA Shark ©
  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 11) : you gotta give Gert Muller a lot of credit too, for holding the overrated “best scrummager in the land” Wian du Preez while Heinke chewed up and spat out BOTH Cheetah tightheads.

    Du Preez is unfortunately a lot like van der Merwe in one aspect… he does NOTHING in open play. Beast is worth more than both put together.

  • Comment 12, posted at 14.02.09 11:17:54 by robdylan Reply
  • On the strength of their performances, Rose has to be ahead of Pretorius. I thought he was excellent on attack.

    Speaking of which, not that I want him back, but where was the real Henno Mentz hiding when he was with the Sharks, the one that played last night?

    As they say, a change is as good as a holiday!

  • Comment 13, posted at 14.02.09 11:33:54 by Baldrick Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 12) :

    On the subject of Wian Du Preez. He was one of two players on the field lastnight, and only four in history, to have Bok Blazers but never to have played for the Boks. The other on field was was Earl Rose and am not sure who the other two are. (The graphic was on to fast last night)

  • Comment 14, posted at 14.02.09 11:36:12 by KSA Shark © Reply
    KSA Shark ©
  • @Baldrick (Comment 13) :

    When he scored his try I thought the same thing. He certainly seems refreshed and eager.

  • Comment 15, posted at 14.02.09 11:37:19 by KSA Shark © Reply
    KSA Shark ©
  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 15) : And was was his handling?

  • Comment 16, posted at 14.02.09 11:38:02 by Baldrick Reply
  • Sorry, HOW was his handling?

  • Comment 17, posted at 14.02.09 11:43:52 by Baldrick Reply
  • Indeed fighting talk Walter…

    I would not be so quick to write them off…

    Their pack is more than just decent, and the crispness and execution of most of the backline moves were quite impressive.

    The Lions played good rugby for a total of 20 minutes, their aim should be to do this for 80.

    At times they were directionless but I put that down to Rose who does not control things at the back that well. Rose needs to be more authorative.

    As for the Cheetahs, they were outthought and ended up more interested in knocking the man down than playing rugby – they were suckered.

    But as for the article…

    We have not even seen the Sharks play yet – and as stated so many times there are a lot of new combinations in the team. To knock the Lions now is premature.

    The Sharks, as with the Lions, have nothing spectacular coming off the bench either…

  • Comment 18, posted at 14.02.09 11:52:05 by MorneN Reply
  • As for the Cheetahs, they were outthought and ended up more interested in knocking the man down than playing rugby – they were suckered.

    Can you clarify what you mean there?

    It looks like you are saying the Lions niggled the Cheetahs almost inviting them to play the man? I wouldn’t think so, I just think the Cheetahs didn’t like losing and then tried to resort to a different style of rugby where the man was the target rather than the tryline.

    The Cheetahs were onto the Lions players early on already, I don’t think it is something that the Lions suckered them into.

  • Comment 19, posted at 14.02.09 12:01:46 by KSA Shark © Reply
    KSA Shark ©
  • That kind of bullying rugby doesn’t work anyway.

  • Comment 20, posted at 14.02.09 12:11:37 by Baldrick Reply
  • @MorneN (Comment 18) : Bismarck du Plessis and Jacques Botes nothing spectacular?

  • Comment 21, posted at 14.02.09 12:24:25 by robdylan Reply
  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 14) :Gus Theron

  • Comment 22, posted at 14.02.09 12:27:21 by PJLD(Sharks supporters are all fairweather bandwagon jumpers) Reply
  • And im serious.Read an article a few years back.

  • Comment 23, posted at 14.02.09 12:30:43 by PJLD(Sharks supporters are all fairweather bandwagon jumpers) Reply
  • @PJLD(Sharks supporters are all fairweather bandwagon jumpers) (Comment 23) :

    Seems you are right, now we just need to know who the other is.

    From Theron’s SARU profile: Was a member of the 2003 Tri-Nations squad but was injured and did not play in any tests.

  • Comment 24, posted at 14.02.09 12:33:57 by KSA Shark © Reply
    KSA Shark ©
  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 19) :

    Holding onto players, driving them off the ball and holding on longer than they should, jersey pulling, frustrating them.

    @Baldrick (Comment 20) :

    You reckon? Two yellow cards says it does. Both cards totally unnecesarry.

    @robdylan (Comment 21) :

    I count 7 guys on the bench – you mentioned two.

  • Comment 25, posted at 14.02.09 12:34:09 by MorneN Reply
  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 24) :Was called up as a late replacement and then tore his hamstring during the captains run.Folks with the blazer and no cap are not allowed to wear the blazer.

  • Comment 26, posted at 14.02.09 12:36:58 by PJLD(Sharks supporters are all fairweather bandwagon jumpers) Reply
  • @PJLD(Sharks supporters are all fairweather bandwagon jumpers) (Comment 22) : correct. Is Japie Barnard perhaps the fourth? I know he sat on the bench for a home test and never got near the team again.

    He might not have received a blazer, though, cos he didn’t go on a tour

  • Comment 27, posted at 14.02.09 12:37:07 by robdylan Reply
  • @MorneN (Comment 25) :

    I think Baldrick was refering to it didn’t work for the Cheetahs. 😉

    Holding onto players, driving them off the ball and holding on longer than they should, jersey pulling, frustrating them.

    I didn’t see to much of that. No more than in a regular match anyway, so IMO you can’t really say they went out to niggle the Cheetahs. To me it is more a case of the intention was there to do it (the attempted bullying) anyway and whether they had their jerseys tugged or not they would have resorted to it anyway.

    The Cheetahs confuse in your face rugby with off the ball play

  • Comment 28, posted at 14.02.09 12:45:33 by KSA Shark © Reply
    KSA Shark ©
  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 28) :

    let me rephrase.

    The Cheetahs confuse in your face Rugby with dirty Rugby

  • Comment 29, posted at 14.02.09 12:47:43 by KSA Shark © Reply
    KSA Shark ©
  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 29) : Most dutchmen do… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 30, posted at 14.02.09 12:50:34 by McLovin Reply
  • p.s I use the word dutchmen with great affection…. 😈 😉

  • Comment 31, posted at 14.02.09 12:51:10 by McLovin Reply
  • @MorneN (Comment 25) : yes, but “nothing” implies zero. Two is more than zero. 🙂

  • Comment 32, posted at 14.02.09 12:51:26 by robdylan Reply
  • the Cheetahs are just a bunch of useless no-hopers who should rather leave the Super 14 to the real teams.

    They should send Juan Smith to a decent team first.

  • Comment 33, posted at 14.02.09 12:53:41 by robdylan Reply
  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 28) :

    Nothing more than usual, but the Cheetahs especially Juan took exception to it, they lost it then.

    My apologies to Baldi then!

    @robdylan (Comment 32) :

    Like the glass is half full? 😆

    Anycase, I am going to be out now.

    Best of luck guys, chat tomorrow.

  • Comment 34, posted at 14.02.09 12:54:06 by MorneN Reply
  • @McLovin (Comment 30) : :mrgreen:

    @McLovin (Comment 31) : :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
    No offence taken. 🙂

  • Comment 35, posted at 14.02.09 12:54:53 by KSA Shark © Reply
    KSA Shark ©
  • @robdylan (Comment 33) :

    Juan disappointed me in the captaincy department to be honest.

  • Comment 36, posted at 14.02.09 12:55:10 by MorneN Reply
  • @MorneN (Comment 34) :

    Enjoy the game, Make sure you are sober at the press conf. 😛

  • Comment 37, posted at 14.02.09 12:55:49 by KSA Shark © Reply
    KSA Shark ©
  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 35) : Heard a good alternative for ‘dutchmen’ the other day. Might be an old one by I live a sheltered life.

    Here goes.

    Rope – Thick, hairy & twisted. 😆

  • Comment 38, posted at 14.02.09 13:01:56 by McLovin Reply
  • by = but

  • Comment 39, posted at 14.02.09 13:02:16 by McLovin Reply
  • @McLovin (Comment 38) :

    Nobody’s ever called me that before 😆

  • Comment 40, posted at 14.02.09 13:03:48 by KSA Shark © Reply
    KSA Shark ©
  • @Baldrick (Comment 13) : I did not see the game but from comments & the “hilites” i saw…looks like Henno back to the player he was before he broke his leg (twice). Have always rated him as one of my all time favourites….good to see him back…just hope he continues to shine…he is very much a “confidence” player.

  • Comment 41, posted at 14.02.09 13:04:12 by Me2 Reply
    Me2 aka Mama Shark
  • @Me2 (Comment 41) : great – so he’ll be full of confidence going into next week’s game… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 42, posted at 14.02.09 13:07:08 by robdylan Reply
  • Don’t know if I was seeing this ( I was drinking wine at the time), but the players seemed in good shape. Well conditioned. The Lions/Cheetahs that is.

  • Comment 43, posted at 14.02.09 13:09:15 by McLovin Reply
  • this = things. 🙄 Seems I haven’t quite got the vino out my system yet.

  • Comment 44, posted at 14.02.09 13:09:58 by McLovin Reply
  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 5) :


    You seem sure about that….of the games I saw this was one of the better ones…

    So how crappy is the S14 standard this year then if what you saying is true!??!

  • Comment 45, posted at 14.02.09 13:43:45 by Hmmm Reply
  • @Hmmm (Comment 45) :

    Oh that was me thinking not talking to myself…LoL

  • Comment 46, posted at 14.02.09 13:45:35 by Hmmm Reply
  • Mentz look real good last night…the Cheetahs had a tough time bringing him down….

  • Comment 47, posted at 14.02.09 13:46:41 by Hmmm Reply
  • As expected the scrum looked good…

  • Comment 48, posted at 14.02.09 13:48:17 by Hmmm Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 33) :
    The Sharks would’nt accept him and his powder puff , so he’s “fooked” 😛

  • Comment 49, posted at 14.02.09 13:48:36 by sharks 30 Reply
  • Mostert looked soooooo slow….what the heck happened to him the last year!??!

  • Comment 50, posted at 14.02.09 13:49:25 by Hmmm Reply
  • And what the heck was up with the line-out throw-ins….
    The Cheetahs knew exactly where the ball was going…
    Jumping even before our players!??!

    Did they even practice line-out’s!??!

  • Comment 51, posted at 14.02.09 13:52:37 by Hmmm Reply
  • And the strong scrummaging Cheetahs of old were annihilated…

  • Comment 52, posted at 14.02.09 14:01:14 by Hmmm Reply
  • Cheetahs were not too bad….
    Their forwards struggled a bit…their def was not good…but they were very attacking…

  • Comment 53, posted at 14.02.09 14:07:04 by Hmmm Reply
  • And the LIONS scored a try bonus point!?!? 😯

  • Comment 54, posted at 14.02.09 14:37:06 by Hmmm Reply
  • The S14 can end now…it is as good as it will get….

  • Comment 55, posted at 14.02.09 14:41:55 by Hmmm Reply
  • Oh yeh…Juan said they are the only team to have not won overseas!???!
    I never knew it was that bad for the Cheetahs….

  • Comment 56, posted at 14.02.09 15:02:07 by Hmmm Reply
  • I hope the Cheetahs beat the Force next week….

  • Comment 57, posted at 14.02.09 15:36:59 by Hmmm Reply
  • I was trying to check when last the LIONS scored 4 tries in a game and it was SOOOOOOo long back I don’t seem to be able to get that info….

  • Comment 58, posted at 14.02.09 15:39:16 by Hmmm Reply
  • Luckily we did not need to bring on a Benjamin or Nobel!??! Cozz then we would not have scored 2!??!

  • Comment 59, posted at 14.02.09 15:40:05 by Hmmm Reply
  • @Hmmm (Comment 56) : uhuh… they are “uiters kak”, to borrow an expression.

  • Comment 60, posted at 14.02.09 15:42:54 by robdylan Reply
  • Our defense was good…until the last 20/25 min
    We will need to work on it…a better side would have taken us to the cleaners and taken the victory…

  • Comment 61, posted at 14.02.09 15:43:16 by Hmmm Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 60) :

    But this is the year they brake that hoodoo

  • Comment 62, posted at 14.02.09 15:45:07 by Hmmm Reply
  • It will be great if the Sharks can come away with 2 log points next week (try and loss within 7)…

  • Comment 63, posted at 14.02.09 16:15:14 by Hmmm Reply
  • Moment of the match for me was the 1st half-handbags and the tune of we are family playing in the back-ground.
    Im chuffed with the showed some real strength and eagerness.
    The backline crispness has been misssing,,,pity we allowed the Cheetahs back into the game.


  • Comment 64, posted at 14.02.09 19:48:41 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply
  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 19) :

    Read the last line in this comment of mine and then read this article. This article alludes to the same things I was alluding to in my comment. The Cheetahs are trying to be Bullies and it is costing them AND it is nothing new.

    Vrydagaand se nederlaag teen die Leeus op Coca-Colapark in Johannesburg sou vir die Vodacom-Cheetahs soos ’n nagmerrie van hul Super 14-seisoen in 2008 gewees het.

    Nie net het die Vodacom Cheetahs, soos verlede jaar, eers reg teen die einde voor die Gautengers se aanslag geswig nie, maar die gebrek aan dissipline van Juan Smith (Vodacom Cheetah-kaptein) se span het weer ’n groot rol in die uitslag gespeel.

    Die geel kaarte wat die Vodacom Cheetahs se Heinrich Brüssow (flank) en Meyer Bosman (losskakel) gekry het, het veroorsaak dat die Vodacom Cheetahs vir 20 minute met slegs 14 spelers moes klaarkom.

    Die Vodacom Cheetahs was Vrydag met tye uiters indrukwekkend en daarom was dit vir Vodacom Cheetah-ondersteuners jammer om te sien hoe ander faktore hul span verlam het.

    “Dit (die geel kaarte) was ’n probleem,” het Naka Drotské, Vodacom Cheetah-afrigter, gesê. “Jy kan nie in die reeks vir 20 minute met 14 ouens speel nie. In geheel was Meyer 23 minute van die veld, want hy was ook vir 13 minute af weens ’n bloedbesering.

    “Hy is ons sleutelspeler in die agterlyn,” het die breier gesê.

    In verlede jaar se eerste Vodacom Super 14-wedstryd teen die Leeus het die Vodacom Cheetahs se dissipline hulle ook duur gekos toe die skrumskakel, Falie Oelschig, ’n teenstander reg voor die pale met die bal gegooi het.

    Die Leeus kon die stryd toe met ’n strafdoel beklink.

    Die Vodacom Cheetahs se gebrek aan dissipline het in ander wedstryde deur die loop van die reeks ook gevolge gehad.

    Hoewel sommiges die geel kaarte wat Brüssow en Bosman gekry het, betwis, was die gevolg van hul oortredings beslissend in die uitslag van die wedstryd.

    Die Vodacom Cheetahs was verlede jaar ook aan die ontvangkant van verskeie naelskraapse nederlae en sou tot elke prys wou vermy dat die 2009-seisoen dieselfde begin.

    Hul verdediging was verlede jaar gereeld swak en Vrydag was dit veral in die wye kanale ook benede standaard.

    Danwel Demas (vleuel) het veral nie die nodige toewyding op die verdediging getoon nie.

    Volgens Drotské was dit vir hom teleurstellend dat die Vodacom Cheetah-verdedigers nie die verdedigingsplan wat ingeoefen is, uitgevoer het nie.

    Hy was wel in sy skik met die Vodacom Cheetahs se lynstane, fiksheid en karakter om tot by 28-elk terug te veg nadat hulle 14-28 agter was.

    Die individuele vertonings van die Vodacom Cheetah-lostrio en veral die skitterende Juan Smith (kaptein) was ook ’n ligpunt.

    Die plaasvervanger-vleuel Fabian Juries se impak was ook betekenisvol.

    Nog ’n 2008-probleem – beserings – het ook reeds sy kloue vir die Vodacom Cheetahs gewys.

    Die senter Corné Uys het ’n harde stamp teen sy kop in die wedstryd gekry en sal, hoewel hy Saterdag saam met die toergroep na Australasië vertrek het, nie Vrydag om 12:45 (Suid-Afrikaanse tyd) teen die Force speel nie.

  • Comment 65, posted at 16.02.09 13:55:42 by KSA Shark © Reply
    KSA Shark ©
  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 65) : Vodacom was mentioned 16 times in that article. 🙄

  • Comment 66, posted at 16.02.09 13:59:47 by McLovin Reply
  • @McLovin (Comment 66) : Wonder if he gets commission? 😉 😛

  • Comment 67, posted at 16.02.09 14:00:28 by McLovin Reply
  • @McLovin (Comment 67) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 68, posted at 16.02.09 14:06:24 by KSA Shark © Reply
    KSA Shark ©
  • @robdylan (Comment 33) : Just don’t send Juan as captain…the Cheetahs were getting murdered in the scrums and in the last couple of minutes were opting for scrums instead of the free kicks.

  • Comment 69, posted at 16.02.09 14:08:11 by Pokkel Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld
  • @Hmmm (Comment 45) : I thought the lions played some great rugby at times. AP nearly cost you the game towards the end. At least he made amends with that drop kick.

  • Comment 70, posted at 16.02.09 14:10:34 by Pokkel Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld
  • @Pokkel (Comment 69) :

    And please make sure that team ain’t the Sharks. 😳

  • Comment 71, posted at 16.02.09 14:11:57 by KSA Shark © Reply
    KSA Shark ©
  • @McLovin (Comment 67) :


  • Comment 72, posted at 16.02.09 14:35:54 by Hmmm Reply
  • @Pokkel (Comment 70) :

    Yip Yip

  • Comment 73, posted at 16.02.09 15:02:18 by Hmmm Reply

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