Spies vs. Kanko

Written by Morné Nortier (Morné)

Posted in :Super 14 on 13 Mar 2009 at 13:38

Tired of the Spies vs. Kankowski debate? Perhaps let stats settle this one based on their performances so far.


On Tuesday we were shot down in flames for daring to compare Luke Watson to Pierre Spies and for pointing out that, for all his try-scoring form, the Bulls and Springbok No 8 is currently one of the poorest tacklers in the entire Super 14.

Amidst the piles of predictable responses was one that asked, quite justifiably, “Why are you comparing Watson to Spies when the real comparison should be Spies and Kankowski?”

Well, we were going to wait until the Sharks host the Bulls on the final weekend of round-robin action to compare South Africa’s two premier eighthmen, but why wait?

Let’s see which No 8 has his nose in front after four rounds, according to nothing else but statistics provided exclusively by Verusco, the New Zealand-based company who supply video analysis systems (and the very same stats used in this column) to most of the South African Super 14 teams, including the Bulls and Sharks.

Firstly, minutes played: Kankowski has clocked up four 80-minute matches for a total of 320 minutes, while Spies has played just six minutes fewer, with the result that all the stats are drawn from an almost identical period of time spent on the field.

Let’s also not forget that both men are playing for winning teams that are currently unbeaten, which means they are playing most of their rugby on the front foot and are able to do what they love to do, which is run with the ball. But what do the stats say?

When it comes to effectiveness with ball in hand, Spies has his nose ahead of Kankowski at this stage. Combined, the two men have run with the ball 46 times in eight matches, during which they have gained 603 metres of ground, made 44 passes, 59 hit-ups, five tackle breaks, seven line breaks, eight offloads and scored five tries! Not bad in anyone’s books; they’ve even managed to boot the ball a combined 217 metres!

But statistically it’s the Bulls backrower who has been the slightly more effective: he has made six more runs (26-20), gained 63 more metres (333m to 270m) of ground, made one more line break (4-3) and one more tackle break (3-2) than his Sharks rival. In addition, Spies has made two more offloads (5-3) and, most crucially, scored three more tries (4-1).

The only area where Kankowski overshadows Spies is in passes made, and it’s quite a difference: 29 to 15. The two players’ (and teams’) very different playing styles become clearer when you consider that Spies is even more dominant when it comes to hitting the ball up: he has done so 21 times more than Kankowski (40-19), while the latter has gained more metres (167m to 50m) by putting the ball to boot more often.

Looking at tackling, Spies and Kankowski together have attempted 91 tackles in a combined 634 minutes of rugby, at an average of one every seven minutes. But of those 91 attempted tackles, 43 were missed!

Kankowski: Attempted 43, Made 27, Missed 16, Efficiency 62.79%.
Spies: Attempted 48, Made 21, Missed 27, Efficiency 43.75%.

Looking at the breakdown, we analysed the amount of cleanouts made, as well as the number of turnovers forced and conceded in the first four rounds. The results are almost identical:

Cleanouts at breakdown: Spies 29, Kankowski 27.
Turnovers forced: Spies 3, Kankowski 2.
Turnovers conceded: Spies 6, Kankowski 5.

The same goes for the set pieces, where neither Spies nor Kankowski have conceded a scrum or lineout penalty. In fact, neither man has given away a single penalty of any description all season. Of course, with many penalty offences downgraded to free kicks under the experimental laws this is probably not as significant as it might have been two years ago, but it does at least hint at a good level of discipline.

Looking at the lineout stats, it’s easy to see who’s being utilised more:

Lineouts won on own throw: Kankowski 7, Spies 3
Lineouts lost on own throw: Kankowski 0, Spies 0
Lineouts won on opposition throw: Kankowski 1, Spies 0
Total lineouts won: Kankowski 8, Spies 3

And finally… handling errors. In eight matches between them, Kankowski and Spies have made the relatively low amount of 12, with the Sharks No 8 responsible for eight of those. So much for the claim of one user that Spies has no hands and therefore should stick to playing wing!

In summary, Verusco’s stats confirm what us fans see on the field: Pierre Spies and Ryan Kankowski are vying for the Springbok No 8 jersey and there’s very little to separate them.

And what’s more, their strong individual form is contributing significantly towards the very healthy positions their respective Super 14 teams find themselves in.

Join us again on Tuesday, when we’ll compare all five SA teams after Round 5 and see where they stood at the same stage last year.


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  • Comment 1, posted at 13.03.09 13:41:50 by wpw Reply
  • I just ate the two best wors rolle ever made. 😎

  • Comment 2, posted at 13.03.09 13:47:27 by klempie Reply
  • make this comparrison again after round 14

  • Comment 3, posted at 13.03.09 13:50:46 by JarsonX Reply
  • What about LOOK??? 👿 😥

  • Comment 4, posted at 13.03.09 13:55:07 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 4) :

    Now THAT is a good question.

    See according to this Spies kicks Kanko’s ass a bit, and when the same comparison was done between Luke and Spies, Lookie came out on top…

    Now that is sure to piss a few people off.

  • Comment 5, posted at 13.03.09 13:57:58 by Morné Reply
  • So you guys want Luke back now?

    Trade him for Kanko…

    Or mind you, we got Vermeulen – keep both…

  • Comment 6, posted at 13.03.09 13:58:58 by Morné Reply
  • @Morné (Comment 6) :


  • Comment 7, posted at 13.03.09 14:10:32 by wpw Reply
  • @JarsonX (Comment 3) : why not 5 – bulls not playing 😆 😆

  • Comment 8, posted at 13.03.09 14:29:11 by rekinek Reply
  • @Morné (Comment 6) : I think I just vomited on my screen.

    It’s OK Morne, Kanko may be fifth best 8 in SA in your eyes (behind Look, Spies, Vermuelen and Alberts), but we’ll keep him, warts and all…..along with our undefeated record and Favourites tag! 😉

  • Comment 9, posted at 13.03.09 14:30:09 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 7) : What’s that about Wes, I hear you have become a Sharks supporter lately, even to the point of hoping the Gentle Breezes lose to the Kittie Cats.

  • Comment 10, posted at 13.03.09 14:32:20 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Don’t care…Kanko still the best!!!!

  • Comment 11, posted at 13.03.09 14:32:50 by Me2 Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 9) :

    Facts are on paper!!! 😆

  • Comment 12, posted at 13.03.09 14:33:40 by Morné Reply
  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 10) :
    Hi Dancing Bear….looking forward to the game tomorrow??

  • Comment 13, posted at 13.03.09 14:34:39 by Me2 Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 12) : What “fact” did I dispute? I accepted your analysis putting him fifth best in the country, but I still want to keep him. 😉 and don’t want the best fetcher and number 8 in the world to come back. 😀

  • Comment 14, posted at 13.03.09 14:35:48 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 10) :

    Lies I tell you!!! ALL lies!!! 😯

  • Comment 15, posted at 13.03.09 14:36:23 by wpw Reply
  • @Me2 (Comment 13) : Hi, I am….can’t wait to have to be up at 4 a.m. to watch this one. 😉 How are you?

  • Comment 16, posted at 13.03.09 14:36:46 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 12) :
    What’s paper??? It can be burnt, thrown out, blow away….anything can happen to it…so don’t rely on paper :mrgreen:

  • Comment 17, posted at 13.03.09 14:37:05 by Me2 Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 15) : Are you going to make me look up posts? 😀 Well at least you have stopped trying to sabotage Fransie Steyn. 😉

  • Comment 18, posted at 13.03.09 14:37:56 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 16) : I’m well thanks….hope it’s not tooo cold over there…but never mind…the Sharks will warm you up…they going to win again!!! 😆

  • Comment 19, posted at 13.03.09 14:39:14 by Me2 Reply
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  • @Me2 (Comment 17) : Morne forgets that my work is all about statistics, and I even majored in mathematics with a concentration in probability and statistics. I could argue that every solid performance Puke has on the field is an outlier and should not be factored into any statistic. 😀

  • Comment 20, posted at 13.03.09 14:39:41 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Me2 (Comment 19) : March is a very strange month weather wise here. We had a major snowstorm the 1st of March, then by the following weekend, it was over 20. Water is still around 1 or 2 degrees, so it is an interesting experience….sailing in drysuits.

  • Comment 21, posted at 13.03.09 14:41:52 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 20) : My brother in law also studied stats and always claimed you could prove anything with stats…if you wanted to badly enough 😕 😀

  • Comment 22, posted at 13.03.09 14:44:01 by Me2 Reply
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  • @Me2 (Comment 22) : Absolutely, I was actually thinking of how easy it would be with the numbers presented in the article. I could so easily show them in a light where it looks like Spies shouldn’t even be carrying Kanko’s boots. Anyway, I honestly do believe Spies is playing the best rugby at 8 right now, but his tackling is atrocious. Kanko is not playing quite as well but is more consistent in his defense so is a more consistent player right now. Watson needs 40000 “Dutchmen” giving him the bird before he performs. 😆

  • Comment 23, posted at 13.03.09 14:47:30 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 21) : Do you have a home close to the water?

    My daughter went to the dinghy show in London, last week….says she is dying to get on the water again…she will be home next hope she can get a sail then.

  • Comment 24, posted at 13.03.09 14:48:19 by Me2 Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 23) : I actually felt a bit sorry for him last weekend…thought the Bulls Supporters got a bit carried away, and that little guy on the wing (forget his name) also went a bit overboard when he tackled him into touch…playing to the crowd. Pity Luke lost HIS cool…up until then I was impressed with the way he was taking it.

  • Comment 25, posted at 13.03.09 14:51:51 by Me2 Reply
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  • @Me2 (Comment 25) : by the way…don’t think, from my comments, that I feel anything but contempt for his comments.

  • Comment 26, posted at 13.03.09 14:54:18 by Me2 Reply
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  • @Me2 (Comment 24) : I am very lucky, I live about 3 blocks from the water. Annapolis is located at the mouth of the Severn River where it runs into the Chesapeake Bay. There are many creeks that run into the Severn around here, and the two creeks around Annapolis are Spa Creek and Back Creek. I live 3 blocks from Back Creek, 4 blocks from the biggest marina and boatyard in Annapolis. My Yacht Club is at the mouth of Spa Creek and is about a 10 minute drive.

  • Comment 27, posted at 13.03.09 14:55:35 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 12) :
    Stats dont even tell half the story.

    I am not bothered if people think Spies is better, or that Vermeulen and Luke are better 8’s (surprise to hear a Stormer allege that). 🙄

    If Spies does have a better season, I would PRAY that PDV picks him. However, I am confident that Kanko is gonna have another cracker this season.

  • Comment 28, posted at 13.03.09 14:56:29 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Me2 (Comment 25) : @Me2 (Comment 26) : I understand, he really had no reason to expect anything else from the crowd, so he had a lot of time to think about what would be the best way to respond. He did play good rugby, I just wish he had not reacted to the crowd at all.

  • Comment 29, posted at 13.03.09 14:57:42 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Kanko has better hair and looks less like a dutchman. It’s a simple choice.

  • Comment 30, posted at 13.03.09 14:58:53 by robdylan Reply
  • @Big Fish (Comment 28) : You forget, Willem Alberts is also playing better. 😉

  • Comment 31, posted at 13.03.09 14:59:09 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 30) : Ahem…..Rob making judging people based on “better hair” 😯 ❓

  • Comment 32, posted at 13.03.09 15:00:54 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 30) : You just like guys that have nice anglified names like Ryan….and Brad….etc. 😉

  • Comment 33, posted at 13.03.09 15:02:45 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 30) :

    hahahahahahaha :mrgreen:

  • Comment 34, posted at 13.03.09 15:03:52 by wpw Reply
  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 32) : trust me… I can easily identify when people have better hair than me 🙂

  • Comment 35, posted at 13.03.09 15:04:38 by robdylan Reply
  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 33) : and guys that appear to have gotten their name backwards like Daniel Keegan, or Keegan Daniel or whatever it is. 😉

  • Comment 36, posted at 13.03.09 15:05:01 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 27) : Wow…that’s wonder you are able to sail everyday in summer!

  • Comment 37, posted at 13.03.09 15:06:06 by Me2 Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 35) : I am so sorry Rob, but that door was left way too wide open not to run through.

    Only problem is that everyone has better hair than you. 😉 (thinking about ducking out the back way before I get klapped)

  • Comment 38, posted at 13.03.09 15:07:02 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 33) : and Jean Deysel 😉

  • Comment 39, posted at 13.03.09 15:08:36 by robdylan Reply
  • @Me2 (Comment 37) :

    hey Ma! Good to see you on here! 😀

  • Comment 40, posted at 13.03.09 15:08:43 by Ice (B.A Fisherman) Reply
  • @Me2 (Comment 37) : Well not every day, no racing anywhere around here on Mondays. 😆 I suppose we need a day off, although a friend has contacted me about organizing some match racing for Monday evenings. 😆 Amazing how much racing goes on around here throughout the year, but especially in season. We are hosting both the J24 and Melges 24 world championships this year, as well as the Laser Atlantic Coast championships. Busy season.

  • Comment 41, posted at 13.03.09 15:09:11 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 38) : DB – the only mistake you make is assuming that I’m in any way sensitive about it 🙂

  • Comment 42, posted at 13.03.09 15:09:23 by robdylan Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 39) : You spelled it wrong…it’s John Diesel…..that’s a movie star quality name that is. 😉

  • Comment 43, posted at 13.03.09 15:10:07 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 38) : BTW – you have great hair for such an old guy 🙂

  • Comment 44, posted at 13.03.09 15:10:09 by robdylan Reply
  • Justin Downey….nice anglified names. 😉

  • Comment 45, posted at 13.03.09 15:11:27 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 44) : I am old Rob….:grin: but I never grew up. By the way, I have a very good friend of mine going to Oxford and I am thinking about spending the Xmas holidays with him…see the boxing day match and all.

  • Comment 46, posted at 13.03.09 15:13:51 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Easy… Kanko was not made in some LAB …

  • Comment 47, posted at 13.03.09 15:14:05 by blackshark Reply
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  • @blackshark (Comment 47) : Was too!!!!!!!

  • Comment 48, posted at 13.03.09 15:14:42 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Ice (B.A Fisherman) (Comment 40) : Hi there…taking time off…it’s Friday afternoon and I need to chat…sick of WORK!!!

    @Dancing Bear (Comment 41) : It must be great fun….
    and here they are in Durban, wanting to [email protected]#$f the best sailing water (dinghies) in SA, off Vetchies, to build a small craft harbour, hotels etc., that will all come to grief in the next big storm surge!!

  • Comment 49, posted at 13.03.09 15:16:46 by Me2 Reply
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  • @Me2 (Comment 49) : Jislaaik, I remember some lekker surfs coming back into Vetchies on Mirrors and Lasers. 😆 I also remember capsizing about 10 times just trying to get out through the waves.

  • Comment 50, posted at 13.03.09 15:18:39 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Me2 (Comment 49) :

    Yeah – its was a hectic week…and no one here talks to you better make a plan in the week – this site is my “ear”…come here to de-stress… 😎 😉

  • Comment 51, posted at 13.03.09 15:21:50 by Ice (B.A Fisherman) Reply
  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 50) : Hey, we did have some fun there, especially when we had to come in on a run, taking the pole out as we hit the surf, centre board up and the just hope the guys waiting to catch us did not mess up!! Then it was our turn to help catch the next Sprog…..very hairy!!!

  • Comment 52, posted at 13.03.09 15:24:05 by Me2 Reply
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  • @Ice (B.A Fisherman) (Comment 51) : Will have to make a point of coming here more often…have been missing you guys! 🙂

  • Comment 53, posted at 13.03.09 15:25:42 by Me2 Reply
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  • @Me2 (Comment 53) :

    You do that!! 😀

    On my way now – have a good weekend and Go the SHARKS!!!

  • Comment 54, posted at 13.03.09 15:27:50 by Ice (B.A Fisherman) Reply
  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 43) : porn movie, perhaps…

  • Comment 55, posted at 13.03.09 15:28:17 by robdylan Reply
  • @Ice (B.A Fisherman) (Comment 51) : What’s with the (B.A. Fisherman)???

  • Comment 56, posted at 13.03.09 15:28:47 by Me2 Reply
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  • @Me2 (Comment 52) : The runs in when the swell was running, fun……especially on a Laser, you’d plane to the surf with board up, and as you hit the surf and surged everything would unload, nothing on the sails, nothing on the rudder, just a wing and a prayer…..and some creative body language….and usually end up 10 metres up the beach. 😆 Those kick-up rudders on Lasers are a wonderful thing. 😆

  • Comment 57, posted at 13.03.09 15:29:18 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 46) : what boxing day match?

  • Comment 58, posted at 13.03.09 15:29:23 by robdylan Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 55) : Hey You…..this is a clean site…or has it changed lately 🙄 😆

  • Comment 59, posted at 13.03.09 15:30:13 by Me2 Reply
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  • @Me2 (Comment 56) :

    Haha – Rob once asked me if I was fishing for a compliment …and yesterday rekinek asked me if I was fishing for last Man standing clues…so I guess I have a degree in fishing then… 😉

  • Comment 60, posted at 13.03.09 15:30:14 by Ice (B.A Fisherman) Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 55) : awwwww come on….Vin Diesel….John Diesel….:grin:

  • Comment 61, posted at 13.03.09 15:30:17 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Ice (B.A Fisherman) (Comment 60) : Heheheheheeee 😎

  • Comment 62, posted at 13.03.09 15:30:54 by Me2 Reply
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  • @Me2 (Comment 62) :


    Cheers others…

  • Comment 63, posted at 13.03.09 15:32:18 by Ice (B.A Fisherman) Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 58) : Sorry, don’t know what I was thinking when I typed that, meant the Varsity match…..Oxford Cambridge.

  • Comment 64, posted at 13.03.09 15:33:03 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Ice (B.A Fisherman) (Comment 63) : Cheers!

  • Comment 65, posted at 13.03.09 15:33:44 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 64) : ah – ok.

    Must defo make a plan to meet up somewhere.

  • Comment 66, posted at 13.03.09 15:34:01 by robdylan Reply
  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 64) : I think that maybe a long time ago it was played on Boxing Day, and that was what was in my mind. Still since he is at Oxford, thought it would be fun to see a 130 year old rugby rivalry being played out.

  • Comment 67, posted at 13.03.09 15:34:57 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • okes – tell me someone is going to ABSA this afternoon to watch the Sharks XV?

  • Comment 68, posted at 13.03.09 15:35:27 by robdylan Reply
  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 57) : Yeah..we used one of those when we went off shore, but always had a fixed one in the bay & on the dams!!
    When Mary sailed her Oppie off shore, the Dads used to swim out and then swim the Oppies ashore! 😯

  • Comment 69, posted at 13.03.09 15:35:46 by Me2 Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 66) : Ja it would be lekker. The friend who is at Oxford used to sail with me. He had never sailed before I got him on the boat, and he just took to it really well, and has continued on. It is great to see, he moved to San Diego, and now to England to attend Oxford. Great guy, and an incredible character…..

  • Comment 70, posted at 13.03.09 15:37:34 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 68) : Rob..would love to BUT kick off at 5.30 and we only finish here at 5.30……………is it on the box?

  • Comment 71, posted at 13.03.09 15:39:11 by Me2 Reply
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  • @Me2 (Comment 69) : When I was sailing Oppies, they didn’t let us sail off shore, just in the bay. Dabchicks were an interesting proposition in a big swell off shore. I loved those boats though, so much fun for kids to sail…and they solved the whole getting water out of the cockpit thing by just removing the cockpit. 😆

  • Comment 72, posted at 13.03.09 15:39:59 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Me2 (Comment 71) : No…Bull v Griquas @7.00pm …for crying in a bucket!!

  • Comment 73, posted at 13.03.09 15:43:09 by Me2 Reply
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  • @Me2 (Comment 69) : Has Mary sailed in Cowes Race Week since being in London?

  • Comment 74, posted at 13.03.09 15:45:10 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 67) : my family is staying in Henley at the moment… not far from Oxford.

    Not sure they’ll still be there come Christmas, though.

  • Comment 75, posted at 13.03.09 15:45:43 by robdylan Reply
  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 72) : Years ago we took a Dabbie on holiday with us and surfed with the dolphins off Jefferies…quite an experience.
    Also sailed all over Knysna Lagoon, at Hermanus and Zeekoe Vlei….can’t do that sort of thing any more …too much “red tape”…and, of course, we are now too old 😀

  • Comment 76, posted at 13.03.09 15:48:03 by Me2 Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 75) : You should consider coming to the Varsity match. They still play it at Twickers don’t they? Should be quite an experience.

  • Comment 77, posted at 13.03.09 15:49:23 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 74) : Unfortunately she has not been able to sail since she went to live in London…contents herself with her second love…hockey.
    She is thinking of getting a teaching job near Southampton, next year, then, mabe she can do some sailing.

  • Comment 78, posted at 13.03.09 15:50:56 by Me2 Reply
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  • @Me2 (Comment 76) : I was just at the Laser Master Midwinters Championships in Florida. There is this man, Peter Seidenberg, that is 84 and still sails Lasers. Now not only does he still “sail” Lasers, but he placed 5th of 88 Lasers at the Masters Midwinters. I spoke with him a lot, he is in really great shape, loves to sail, his wife helps him rig and put the boat away, watches him launch and is there when he comes in….it was really sweet to watch. Great people, and an amazing sailor. Easy to be inspired by someone like that.

  • Comment 79, posted at 13.03.09 15:53:57 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Me2 (Comment 78) : Not enough time to sail? I’m sure someone with her sailing background would have no problem finding a ride. Either on dinghies or keelboats. I know several boats around here that would love to have someone with that background on board.

  • Comment 80, posted at 13.03.09 15:56:05 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 77) : ah yes – they play at Twickers.

    Would be worth coming through for

  • Comment 81, posted at 13.03.09 16:07:17 by robdylan Reply
  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 79) : That is a lovely story…I bet he has some good tales to tell!

    Do you remember Tim & Bruce avage? Their Dad, Doc, is still sailing, a “taser” in Sydney, he must be in his seventies now!

    @Dancing Bear (Comment 80) : Unfortunately that is the case…no time. Also very expensive to get all the gear needed…but hopefully, if she moves out of London, she’ll be able to sail again!

  • Comment 82, posted at 13.03.09 16:12:46 by Me2 Reply
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  • Sorry…for some reason…I lost the Internet… to go now….so ahve a great weekend!

  • Comment 83, posted at 13.03.09 16:14:05 by Me2 Reply
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  • I was friends with Bruce Savage, we are the same age, and raced against each other on Dabchicks. That is great his dad is still sailing Lasers. Colin Dibb also moved to Aus, and actually won the Laser Masters World Championships a couple of times. I qualified for the worlds this year, so perhaps I will see him there. I think he is in Perth. Do you remember Garth Hitchens? And Terry Clarence?

  • Comment 84, posted at 13.03.09 16:17:10 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 81) : Ja, it is one of those things you just have to do once in your life. Along with go to the north pole, south pole, sail around Cape Horn, sail around the world….damn….there’s a lot of things I still need to do. 😆

  • Comment 85, posted at 13.03.09 16:19:20 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Me2 (Comment 83) : Cheers.

  • Comment 86, posted at 13.03.09 16:19:42 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 84) : I was going to ask you about Terry…I think he lives in the same area as you…Chesapeake Bay?
    Doc sails a “Taser” it’s a 2 man dinghy, his daughter, Jackie, crews for him.

  • Comment 87, posted at 13.03.09 16:23:41 by Me2 Reply
    Me2 aka Mama Shark
  • @Me2 (Comment 87) : Also Tim lives in England….somewhere on the Thames.
    Will mail updates on these guys to you! Really got to go now….Cheers

  • Comment 88, posted at 13.03.09 16:26:23 by Me2 Reply
    Me2 aka Mama Shark
  • Yes, Terry lives on the Chesapeake, and still races Lasers (very well I might add). I raced against him in October last year and spent a long time talking to him afterward. He also drives one of Garth’s boats on Wednesday nights that is in the same class as the boat I drive (keelboats). So we race against each other quite often. 😆

  • Comment 89, posted at 13.03.09 16:29:14 by Dancing Bear Reply
    Friend of Sharksworld Dancing Bear

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