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Force wooing Peter Grant, to keep O’Connor

Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark Β©)

Posted in :In the news, Stormers, Super 14 on 31 Mar 2009 at 06:40
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Western Force are hoping to close a deal with the Stormers’ former Springboks five-eighth Peter Grant in an attempt to fight off a Brumbies bid for Wallabies sensation James O’Connor.

Wayne Smith writes for The Australian that barely a week ago, Force’s plans to retain O’Connor hinged on the opportunity the club intended to offer him next season to succeed Matt Giteau in the playmaking role at No.10.

But it quickly became apparent the 18-year-old has thought deeply about his rugby and realises that, like Giteau before him, he needs time to develop as a footballer before stepping into the five-eighth position.

Indeed, if Force insisted on switching O’Connor to five-eighth in 2010, it could have the effect of driving him to the Brumbies, whose chief executive, Andrew Fagan, is anxious to secure him as a replacement for Mark Gerrard at full-back.

But if Force are able to secure Grant as their marquee player, replacing Wales-bound prop Ben Castle, it would mean O’Connor would not be burdened with the responsibility of running the game and could concentrate on refining his skills at full-back or inside centre.

“James might not be the 10,” Force chief executive Greg Harris said. “We’ve been in conversation with Grant for a few weeks and he is fairly interested in coming across. His parents are now living in Perth and he wants to become an Australian.”

The 24-year-old Stormers playmaker might be able to become an Australian but he cannot ever become a Wallabies player after having played five Tests for the Springboks.

By contrast, Force’s other key targeted overseas recruit, Hurricanes tighthead Tim Fairbrother, has an Australian passport and a move to Perth next year would give him plenty of time to establish himself before Wallabies coach Robbie Deans picks his 2011 World Cup squad.

“Fairbrother has not committed yet but all the indications are that he wants to come to us,” said Harris, who also has been chasing New South Wales Test veteran Matt Dunning to bolster his front row.

If Force are able to secure even one of them, it will make the task of luring NSW and Wallabies hooker Tatafu Polota-Nau to Perth a lot easier, although Waratahs coach Chris Hickey has made it clear he regards Polota-Nau’s retention as a high priority.

Harris confirmed he also has opened negotiations with a third Waratahs Wallabies player, half-back Brett Sheehan, suggesting to him his chances of challenging Luke Burgess for the Australian No.9 jersey would be a whole lot better as a starting player for Force rather than as Burgess’s understudy coming off the bench.

That raises the question of what role Force have in mind for current half-back Josh Valentine, who comes off contract at the end of this season, with Harris admitting he did not know what Valentine’s intentions are.

While Force’s 2009 season is hanging by a thread, a win over the Queensland Reds at Subiaco Oval on Friday night would keep it alive.

Indeed, the same could be said of the Reds, who also are on 12 points. And as Queensland coach Phil Mooney observed, there is such a logjam of teams in the middle of the Super 14 table that a single win is all it takes to catapult even a lowly-ranked side back into contention.

Mooney has his share of selection problems to work through but at least he has been spared a tricky choice at loosehead after former Test frontrower Greg Holmes was all but ruled out of contention on Monday because of a lingering neck and shoulder problem.

A few weeks ago, that would have triggered a crisis but so well has Ben Daley performed in his two outings for the Reds that Holmes might have struggled to make the 22 even if he had been fully fit.

And while Test winger Peter Hynes gives himself no chance of being fit to play just eight days after a piece of floating bone was surgically removed from his knee, Mooney still has not given up hope.

“Pump him up with a dose of positivity and away he goes,” Mooney said.

Meanwhile, Australia has rolled out the big guns for a two-day meeting in London to discuss which, if any, of the experimental law variations are worth retaining. Deans and ARU chief executive and high performance manager David Nucifora will be pressing hard for the retention of most of the ELVs, in the face of mounting opposition from the Six Nations countries, Argentina and Canada.

About 70 key rugby identities are attending the meeting and while no binding decisions will be taken there, the conference will largely determine which of the ELVs will be passed by the IRB Council in May.


  • Western Force are hoping to close a deal with the Stormers’ former Springboks five-eighth Peter Grant 😯


    It seems pretty clear what they are using to try and persuade him to join them. πŸ™

  • Comment 1, posted at 31.03.09 06:46:58 by KSA Shark Β© Reply
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  • @KSA Shark Β© (Comment 1) : he can’t play for oz if thats what you are hinting at. irb regs state a player cannot play for another country if he has already played a test match for a country.

  • Comment 2, posted at 31.03.09 07:15:54 by try time Reply
  • @try time (Comment 2) :

    No i am hinting at them calling him a Former Bok.

    Sort of a “Your career as a Bok is over, come and play for us”

    He is anything BUT a former Springbok. He will be in the squad for the Lions.

  • Comment 3, posted at 31.03.09 07:19:03 by KSA Shark Β© Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 2) :

    I’ve read the girlfriends guide, I know you can only play for one country. πŸ˜†

  • Comment 4, posted at 31.03.09 07:19:53 by KSA Shark Β© Reply
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  • @KSA Shark Β© (Comment 3) : got you. but he probably realises he will always be a bench player, so he’ll stay for the lions tour then head over.

  • Comment 5, posted at 31.03.09 07:23:07 by try time Reply
  • @try time (Comment 5) : i expect quite a few players leaving after the lions tour. frans being one of them.

  • Comment 6, posted at 31.03.09 07:23:52 by try time Reply
  • Seems O’Connor has a mature and unselfish head on his shoulders. Why can’t Frans think like this? He’s awesome at centre and needs to spend more time there.

    This kid’s good. His parents are Kiwis and one set of grandparents are Saffers so I don’t think he stood a chance. πŸ˜†

  • Comment 7, posted at 31.03.09 09:17:37 by klempie Reply
  • @KSA Shark Β© (Comment 3) : you’ve seen him play this season? I wouldn’t have him in the Bok squad.

  • Comment 8, posted at 31.03.09 09:46:28 by robdylan Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 8) :

    he is the # 2 or 3 in the country at the moment.

    Steyn (Bull) / Grant

    if Butch were included then I don’t think grant would make it.

  • Comment 9, posted at 31.03.09 09:50:48 by KSA Shark Β© Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 8) & @KSA Shark Β© (Comment 9) :
    Come on guys, he’s playing behind the worst pack ever… and possibly the worst coach ever. Put him in the sharks/bulls and he’ll shine.

  • Comment 10, posted at 31.03.09 10:00:24 by molly Reply
  • @molly (Comment 10) :

    He, I’m rooting FOR him not against him. πŸ™‚

  • Comment 11, posted at 31.03.09 10:13:05 by KSA Shark Β© Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 10) : hahahaha.

    With fans like these….lol πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 12, posted at 31.03.09 10:13:27 by klempie Reply
  • But to be honest, the Bulls’ pack was probably worse than ours on Sat. Saying that, I didn’t watch our game so I’m not sure how badly we actually did.

  • Comment 13, posted at 31.03.09 10:17:25 by molly Reply
  • @KSA Shark Β© (Comment 11) : I’m not… he’s overrated and his decision-making is poor.

    Wait – am I talking about Bash or Fransie? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 14, posted at 31.03.09 10:18:25 by robdylan Reply
  • @molly (Comment 13) : They played like a bunch of guys who were only introduced to each other a few minutes before the match.

  • Comment 15, posted at 31.03.09 10:19:53 by McLovin Reply
  • Bring over Kockott too… Snor ain’t ever going to give him a place over January despite being the first choice 9 for the top RSA S14 team for the last consecutive 3 seasons…

    He’d walk straight into the Wallabies just as soon as his vosa was rubber-stamped…

  • Comment 16, posted at 31.03.09 10:23:03 by bryce_in_oz Reply
  • @klempie (Comment 12) : Sorry, I think it was actually the Wylie decision that did it for me.

  • Comment 17, posted at 31.03.09 10:23:23 by molly Reply
  • And I’m really not sure what to make of Grant… Snor never gave him game-time… Rassie doesn’t rate him over De Waal despite having Percy’s kicking game… so perhaps he is over-rated…

  • Comment 18, posted at 31.03.09 10:25:37 by bryce_in_oz Reply
  • I can’t believe they can’t teach Grant how to kick for touch πŸ‘Ώ Seriously, how bad is he? Thats just a technique that he’s not getting right… a decent kicking coach could surely fix that.

  • Comment 19, posted at 31.03.09 10:29:20 by molly Reply
  • @McLovin (Comment 15) : @ Tiger Tiger… πŸ™„

  • Comment 20, posted at 31.03.09 10:30:50 by klempie Reply
  • @klempie (Comment 20) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 21, posted at 31.03.09 10:33:32 by McLovin Reply
  • ooooo….good tune just came on my iPod. Every Breath You Take by Gordon Sumner. 😎

  • Comment 22, posted at 31.03.09 10:34:12 by klempie Reply
  • @molly (Comment 19) : I can’t understand it either. I’ve seen under 14 kids kick it further than him.

  • Comment 23, posted at 31.03.09 10:34:48 by McLovin Reply
  • @klempie (Comment 22) : and pals… 😳

  • Comment 24, posted at 31.03.09 10:35:25 by klempie Reply
  • @bryce_in_oz (Comment 16) : whose side are you actually on?

  • Comment 25, posted at 31.03.09 10:36:29 by robdylan Reply
  • @klempie (Comment 22) :

    Youth of today…… πŸ™„

    Everybreath you take was is by the Police. πŸ™„

    πŸ˜› πŸ˜›

  • Comment 26, posted at 31.03.09 10:37:27 by KSA Shark Β© Reply
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  • Whose Gordon Sumner?

  • Comment 27, posted at 31.03.09 10:38:38 by McLovin Reply
  • @KSA Shark Β© (Comment 26) :

    There is absolutely NOTHING out there that beats this at the moment.

    I almsot WET myself when the spin instructor plays it. 😎 😎

  • Comment 28, posted at 31.03.09 10:38:53 by KSA Shark Β© Reply
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  • Whose = Who’s

  • Comment 29, posted at 31.03.09 10:38:59 by McLovin Reply
  • @McLovin (Comment 27) :


  • Comment 30, posted at 31.03.09 10:39:16 by KSA Shark Β© Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 29) : Sting is Gordon Sumner. πŸ˜†

  • Comment 31, posted at 31.03.09 10:40:43 by KSA Shark Β© Reply
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  • @KSA Shark Β© (Comment 26) : @McLovin (Comment 27) :

    You old codgers are both sacrilegious cretins. Gordon Sumner is Sting!! πŸ™„

  • Comment 32, posted at 31.03.09 10:42:21 by klempie Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 25) :

    Rory’s… πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 33, posted at 31.03.09 10:42:30 by bryce_in_oz Reply
  • Jan, Jan, Jan, hy’s die soul vannie span,
    22 manne in ‘n rugbyspan, but the 23rd oke is a genuine stud,
    He’s name is Jan, he’s elke team’s dream,
    Player 23 there’s a Jan for every team… :mrgreen: πŸ˜† :mrgreen:

  • Comment 34, posted at 31.03.09 10:42:45 by Charlie Reply
  • @KSA Shark Β© (Comment 31) : πŸ˜† πŸ˜† I see. πŸ˜† πŸ˜†

  • Comment 35, posted at 31.03.09 10:42:48 by McLovin Reply

  • Comment 36, posted at 31.03.09 10:44:20 by Charlie Reply
  • @klempie (Comment 32) : Shows what we know. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 37, posted at 31.03.09 10:44:30 by McLovin Reply
  • @KSA Shark Β© (Comment 28) :


    I supose a link to “this” would be good? 😳


  • Comment 38, posted at 31.03.09 10:46:38 by KSA Shark Β© Reply
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  • @Charlie (Comment 34) : Great tune. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 39, posted at 31.03.09 10:46:53 by klempie Reply
  • @Charlie (Comment 36) :

    Lyk my so. Hy is nog noe een keer hier gewees vandag nie. πŸ‘Ώ

  • Comment 40, posted at 31.03.09 10:47:23 by KSA Shark Β© Reply
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  • @Charlie (Comment 34) :

    Both languages mangled like only a Dutchie can. 😳

  • Comment 41, posted at 31.03.09 10:48:28 by KSA Shark Β© Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 39) : I love it, but not more then the Sharks, BTW, Jan looks like nogal soes WPW πŸ™„ πŸ˜† πŸ™„

  • Comment 42, posted at 31.03.09 10:49:26 by Charlie Reply
  • @KSA Shark Β© (Comment 41) : Wonne wat sΓͺ ou L 😯 😯 K hievan 😈

  • Comment 43, posted at 31.03.09 10:50:16 by Charlie Reply
  • @KSA Shark Β© (Comment 40) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 44, posted at 31.03.09 10:50:38 by Charlie Reply
  • @Charlie (Comment 42) :

    Hoeko het hy n boep??? πŸ˜•

  • Comment 45, posted at 31.03.09 10:53:22 by wpw Reply
  • @Charlie (Comment 42) : I still think his finest work was in his earlier days. The latest stuff doesn’t match the lyrical mastery and imagery of Leeuloop. LMGA.

  • Comment 46, posted at 31.03.09 10:53:30 by klempie Reply
  • @Charlie (Comment 43) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 47, posted at 31.03.09 10:55:04 by KSA Shark Β© Reply
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  • @Charlie (Comment 36) :

    Second that….

  • Comment 48, posted at 31.03.09 10:58:17 by bryce_in_oz Reply
  • Happy birthday Clayts.

  • Comment 49, posted at 31.03.09 11:04:39 by klempie Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 45) : Van heeltyd oppie bankie sit πŸ™„

  • Comment 50, posted at 31.03.09 11:05:01 by Charlie Reply
  • guys – let’s slow down on the personal comments, ok?

  • Comment 51, posted at 31.03.09 11:17:48 by robdylan Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 51) : 😳 😐 😳

  • Comment 52, posted at 31.03.09 11:21:57 by Charlie Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 51) : I didn’t realise wpw was in politics… πŸ˜•

  • Comment 53, posted at 31.03.09 11:26:11 by klempie Reply
  • @klempie (Comment 53) :

    Howzit dude??? 😎

  • Comment 54, posted at 31.03.09 11:48:28 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 54) : Hoezit Jou Excellency. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 55, posted at 31.03.09 12:03:03 by klempie Reply
  • @klempie (Comment 55) : Cool byre Pool!!! 😎

    Just looking forward to us smashing the Aussies in the ODI’s. 😈

  • Comment 56, posted at 31.03.09 12:05:30 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 56) : Me too. 😈 The way I see it, it’s 3-3 in the Tests and 2-2 in the T20s (not that I care about that part) which means that if they want to claim to be the best overall they need to beat us 5-0 in the ODIs. 😈

    PS. I did not even know SA was playing on Friday. That’s how little I care about T20. πŸ™‚

  • Comment 57, posted at 31.03.09 12:18:28 by klempie Reply
  • What I would like to know is why would he play for the western Force, when he could go to Japan or France and earn twice the pay, other than his Mommy and Daddy are there. Often wonder what could have been if this guy had chosen to stay at the Sharks. probably why old one eyed Rob hates him so much. πŸ˜†

  • Comment 58, posted at 31.03.09 14:30:57 by Whindy Reply
  • @Whindy (Comment 58) : am I really so transparent? πŸ™‚

  • Comment 59, posted at 31.03.09 14:37:09 by robdylan Reply
  • @Whindy (Comment 58) : πŸ™‚

  • Comment 60, posted at 31.03.09 14:37:43 by KSA Shark Β© Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 58) : Who are you talking about?

  • Comment 61, posted at 31.03.09 14:39:40 by klempie Reply
  • @klempie (Comment 61) : Oh. Grant. 😳

  • Comment 62, posted at 31.03.09 14:40:23 by klempie Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 59) SEE THROUGH πŸ™„

  • Comment 63, posted at 31.03.09 14:42:10 by Whindy Reply
  • @Whindy (Comment 58) : was grant with sharks 😯

  • Comment 64, posted at 31.03.09 14:44:07 by rekinek Reply
  • I was never (and still am not) a big fan of grant. Think him a bit average – not bad – just not good enough.

    though do feel bit sorry form him. looks like trying to write him off.

    but it’s bit like with stormers much hype and then .. u realize about nothing

  • Comment 65, posted at 31.03.09 14:49:40 by rekinek Reply
  • @rekinek (Comment 64) :

    No but he WILL be the next RWC winning flyhalf. πŸ™„

    Stransky went to school at PMB College, played for the Sharks and he won the RWC
    James went to school at PMB College, played for the Sharks and he won the RWC

    Grant who went to school at PMB college needs to play for the Sharks in order for his destiny to be fulfilled.


  • Comment 66, posted at 31.03.09 14:50:38 by KSA Shark Β© Reply
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  • @KSA Shark Β© (Comment 66) : maybe three times lucky – to break the trend.

    I am afraid Sharks wouldn’t take him.

  • Comment 67, posted at 31.03.09 14:55:18 by rekinek Reply
  • @KSA Shark (Comment 66)
    Please tell me you are not a College Boy

  • Comment 68, posted at 31.03.09 15:00:19 by Whindy Reply
  • @rekinek (Comment 64) : No but as KSA has said he was at College in Maritzburg and then made the huge mistake of going to Cape Town, like wow!!only joking WPW

  • Comment 69, posted at 31.03.09 15:03:02 by Whindy Reply

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