Stormers’ problems all in their heads!

Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :In the news, Stormers, Super 14 on 6 Apr 2009 at 09:23
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Stormers coach Rassie Erasmus says a lack of self belief is killing his team, after they slumped to another close defeat – going down 6-12 to the Waratahs in their Super 14 Round Eight match at the weekend.

All five the Stormers’ defeats this season, in seven starts, were inside six points – 15-20 to the table-topping Sharks, 8-14 to the Blues, 10-14 Bulls, 7-11 to the Crusaders and 6-12 to the ‘Tahs at the weekend.

Two Lachlan Turner tries – both scored from chip kicks – earned the Waratahs the win in Sydney and may well have finally extinguished any lingering semifinal aspirations for the Cape team.

The Turner tries came in the sixth minute and the 76th minute, and were essentially the difference between the two teams in another of those games where the two defensive systems cancelled each other out.

However, Erasmus said the Stormers should take full blame for letting themselves down.

“We can only point fingers at ourselves,” the Stormers coach said, adding that his team had opportunities, but that execution let them down.

Erasmus lamented the fact that his team again got pinned down in their own territory for long periods, while the Waratahs had no trouble in getting out of their own half.

Asked what is at the heart of his team’s inability to turn their opportunities – close defeats – into victory, Erasmus made it clear self doubt has set in.

“In the beginning of the tournament, if you lose a couple close games, then the self belief goes and a bit of doubt sets in,” the Stormers coach said.

“The challenge for the coaches and the management is to get that belief back into the players and obviously at this stage I’m struggling to get that belief into the players.

“It is definitely not a talent problem,” Erasmus said, adding that as a group they will get it right.

“I know it is a bit late in the season and things are slipping away from us, but I can tell it is not because the guys are not trying – it is just a matter of a lack of self belief.”

Captain Jean de Villiers said his team can “take heart” from the defeat in Sydney and promised that his team will “keep on improving” every week.


  • Hope they get it right. Whatever it is that is wrong. 👿

  • Comment 1, posted at 06.04.09 09:38:07 by McLovin Reply
  • Appologies to all Stormers fans, but in my opinion it ia a traversty and totally unfair that the Stormers are above the Lions on the Super 14 log after their respective performances of the last 2 weeks. I can actually see the Lions trying to play rugby and trying to win the game whereas with the Stormers its more a case of closing the game out from the kick off and hoping to remain within distance of the opposition. FFS these are the Stormers, and they apparently like traveling. GRRRRR

  • Comment 2, posted at 06.04.09 09:53:37 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Does this mean the Stormers players actually do have heads?

  • Comment 3, posted at 06.04.09 10:08:24 by blackshark Reply

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  • No Rassie it is not a case of lacking self-belief, it is a case of not believing in the game plan as a whole, and that the side is capable of playing the way you hope or think they can.

    The reason for close defeats is because you have great defensive systems, no one doubts that and no-one disputes that.

    You also have one of the most efficient loosies in the comp, who slows the ball down at every breakdown making it impossible for teams to get quick ball and giving you decades to re-allign your defenses.

    But see the problem is this Rassie.

    To win those close games you actually need to score tries of your own…

    That means you need a 9 to clear the ball quickly, a 10 that sums up defenses and gets his forwards on the front foot, a center combination that at some stage need to straighten the line of attack, and wings that actually breaks out of a stroll into a sprint every now and then – and least not forget a 15 that has something other than kicks in his armory.

    Oh and for donkeys to get out of the #%^&*@ backline and let the BACKS run backline moves.

    But thats not all Rassie, you need to get a tight 5 – where everything in rugby starts – currently you sit with a tight 3.

  • Comment 4, posted at 06.04.09 10:37:19 by Morné Reply
  • Ja, nee Stormers seems to be Koekoes 😯

    They need a kop dokter 😈

  • Comment 5, posted at 06.04.09 10:42:19 by Charlie Reply

  • I actually did not think that stormers played too badly. it was a tough game. warratahs are a good team and definately looked muuuuuuch better than crusaders. How the Stormers (or the Bulls) managed to loose agains crusaders that is interesting.

  • Comment 6, posted at 06.04.09 10:46:40 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 6) : so I can safely pick the Tahs to beat the Bulls, as my LMS Plan tells me to do?

  • Comment 7, posted at 06.04.09 10:59:20 by robdylan Reply
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  • how freaking good is Luke Watson these days?

  • Comment 8, posted at 06.04.09 11:00:08 by robdylan Reply
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  • Anyone got a Valoid?

  • Comment 9, posted at 06.04.09 11:06:48 by Rahul Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 7) : I really think Tahs are difficult to beat at home. Can’t see Bulls lifting themselves for that one. but Bulls are much better outfit than Stormers – difficult to write them off before the game.

    my first week without LMS anxiety 😥 is there no competition for loosers :mrgreen:

  • Comment 10, posted at 06.04.09 11:17:39 by rekinek Reply
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  • What pisses me off the most is we STILL only start playing in the last 5 minutes when the game is already lost. Week after week.

  • Comment 11, posted at 06.04.09 11:21:26 by molly Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 10) : I’m not sure either, the tah’s will take full advantage of tactical kicking to Habs in fullback.

  • Comment 12, posted at 06.04.09 11:42:15 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 11) : Weak after weak 😆

  • Comment 13, posted at 06.04.09 11:49:49 by Rahul Reply

  • “Captain Jean de Villiers said his team can “take heart” from the defeat in Sydney and promised that his team will “keep on improving” every week.” The most dissapointing moment of the weekend then Jean uttered those words. WTF!!!! admit that you playing kak rugby and do something about it. 👿

  • Comment 14, posted at 06.04.09 11:49:58 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 14) : i understand your sentiment, but hey they played better than last week. Though it only illustrates how far they fallen

  • Comment 15, posted at 06.04.09 12:13:03 by rekinek Reply
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  • Think Duvenhage has earned him the starting spot in 9 on saturday. Was a hell of a frustrating game to watch. Time to give des Fountain also a starting spot in 13. Bobo notch here , then there then nowhere and Nakkalivloekie is just nowhere at the moment.

  • Comment 16, posted at 06.04.09 14:35:41 by PaarlBok Reply

  • @rekinek (Comment 10) : you out?

  • Comment 17, posted at 06.04.09 14:40:58 by robdylan Reply
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  • @PaarlBok (Comment 16) : wow, but even the commentators where getting annoyed with Naqelevuki. Hell, they stopped just short of asking “what the f*ck is this idiot doing in the team”… could hear them physically biting their tongues at times.

  • Comment 18, posted at 06.04.09 14:41:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • Glad i wasn’t subjected to the game.

  • Comment 19, posted at 06.04.09 15:08:01 by Claytie Reply
  • Ja frustrating times. Dunno whats going on but this close losses have to stop. Think we miss Bekker and Fourietjie more then we can imagen, specially the line breaks.

    The WP vodacom side also dish up some real kak at the moment. Its bloody frustrating to see Ricardo Croy beating us on his own on friday night.

  • Comment 20, posted at 06.04.09 15:09:54 by PaarlBok Reply

  • @PaarlBok (Comment 20) : Fook i couldn’t get to his name ❗ When i heard the result i knew he did major damage, i just freaking knew it.

  • Comment 21, posted at 06.04.09 15:11:50 by Claytie Reply
  • You guys wonder why Luke is performaning at the moment?

    Div gives SARU seven days
    2009-04-05 18:03

    Cape Town – Springbok coach Peter de Villiers has given SA Rugby seven days to take action against Cheeky Watson.

    This is after Watson referred to De Villiers in a recent meeting of the EP Legends as “a baboon who does not know what he is doing.”

    De Villiers sent a letter to SA Rugby through his attorney Ferdi Hartzenberg, in which he asks that the organisation takes action against Watson for the racist remarks that he made in the meeting.

    Watson still has not confirmed or denied the comment, but De Villiers’ attorneys have let SA Rugby know that they believe the comment is the “worst type of defamation and racism” that there is.

    According to Sondag’s sourced, De Villiers is so incensed about the incident, and the fact that SA Rugby have not taken any action that he is considering resigning as Springbok coach over the matter.

    The lawyers letter, which Sondag has a copy of, asks that SA Rugby start an investigation after Watson’s comments.

    “Given the fact that a member of our client’s employer orchestrated this personal attack on our client, we are of the opinion that it is in everybody’s best interests for SA Rugby to rectify the situation,” the letter reads.

    If not, De Villiers threatens to institute a grievance against his employers because SA Rugby “promised him to set a climate where he is protected from personal attacks and an environment in which he can give his best work in his position.”

    Watson told OFM earlier this week that he and De Villiers are still friends but the letter confirms that this is far from the point.

    The letter makes mention of the fact that Watson was contacted and denied the allegations, but says that “it is quite obvious that the true facts and the information given differ completely from each other.”

    The letter was sent via fax to SA Rugby’s legal adviser Christo Ferreira on Tuesday and asks that the matter “be rectified within seven days.”

    Hartzenberg told Sondag that he has not heard anything from SA Rugby on the matter and referred them back to the organisation.

    An SA Rugby spokesperson said the matter was being investigated but declined to comment further about why the organisation had not replied or taken action as yet.

    In a related incident, the official who served papers on Watson last week for defamation after he was attacked in a newspaper article, Godfrey Afrika, was called into SA Rugby “to discuss his future”.

    According to Sondag’s sources Afrika was told that he was no longer part of the Eastern Cape franchise and would in future be limited to developmental tasks in the region.

    Also saw our Paarl legend Tiny Neetling died over the weekend in Paarl. A nightmare altogether with that Brumbie oukie. 😥 😥 😥

  • Comment 22, posted at 06.04.09 15:13:54 by PaarlBok Reply

  • @Claytie (Comment 21) : Ja and Teri Jacobs was terreble. 😈 and the other Galpille like Conrad Hoffman * Pieter Louw not far behind, he cut his hair but your qoute make so much sense now.

    Time they pick the Varsity Cup Champs. 😀

  • Comment 23, posted at 06.04.09 15:26:18 by PaarlBok Reply

  • Who would Province /Stormers play at flyhalf if Peter Grant signed for the Force.

  • Comment 24, posted at 06.04.09 15:38:28 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • willem de wahl :mrgreen:
    joe pietersen and maybe they could bring dollie back

  • Comment 25, posted at 06.04.09 15:52:36 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 24) : Johann Sadie. 💡

  • Comment 26, posted at 06.04.09 15:54:31 by PaarlBok Reply

  • @rekinek (Comment 25) :
    Maybe, but I think theat his run might be over.
    @PaarlBok (Comment 26) :
    Is he even near the Stormers/Province senior squads, do you really think that he will be considered?

  • Comment 27, posted at 06.04.09 16:10:21 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 27) : You talking about next year?

    I think maybe Coenie van Wyk playing from the bench for WP Vodacup. Dont think Joe Pietersen is a flyhalf, he should be playing wing now for the Stormers in my opinion.

    So Coenie is next in line but Sadie played in the Varsity Cup final 10 for Maties and is picked for the SA U20 squad now training at Saldanha. He is a midfielder but sure know to break a line or to distribute.

    You also have the Ikey 10 playing for WP CC last year.

    Man we have lots of talent and I think Croy is still on WP’s books.

  • Comment 28, posted at 06.04.09 16:23:34 by PaarlBok Reply

  • @PaarlBok (Comment 28) : you guys actually need to do what the Sharks did a few years ago. Kick out all the dead wood at the top and start again with some fresh blood. Sorry to say it, but you’ll need to get rid of Rassie as well.

  • Comment 29, posted at 06.04.09 16:28:53 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 29) : We do this now for ages and ages. 🙄

    Like wpw qouting so many times now, buying the wrong stock. We need some old stock fatties, not full backs like Monty. They should have bought John Smit when he came back from France as a example. He would have mould our mix of Fiji, Boer, Soutie, exct nicely. Maybe Rassie is on the out with the Watson EC bende?

    Think our bottom structure is excellent but the problem is more the top one. If we can fix that we’ll be fine.

  • Comment 30, posted at 06.04.09 16:37:47 by PaarlBok Reply

  • @PaarlBok (Comment 28) :
    Its good to hear that there is lots of talent because I was thinking that that is one position where you will really struggle. Last year the Stormers were giving flyhalves away.

  • Comment 31, posted at 06.04.09 16:44:15 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 4) : ha ha. iwas laughing at how pathetic wookie is. why import a player that is poor when sa hasloads of talent that needs experience. rather waste money on a south african that can’t play any worse than wookie.

  • Comment 32, posted at 06.04.09 16:47:12 by try time Reply

  • @PaarlBok (Comment 22) : watson is a bloody white racist. 😆 it makes me want to puke.

  • Comment 33, posted at 06.04.09 16:49:14 by try time Reply

  • @try time (Comment 33) : Hope Snor gives him his medicine! 😎

  • Comment 34, posted at 06.04.09 16:55:33 by PaarlBok Reply

  • @PaarlBok (Comment 34) : 😆

  • Comment 35, posted at 06.04.09 17:07:33 by try time Reply

  • eish… this Cheeky Watson fella is just trouble…

  • Comment 36, posted at 06.04.09 17:31:44 by robdylan Reply
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  • So Ricardo Croy performed well against the team he is currently contracted to? Is Rassie clueless or what?? De Waal has proven time and again that he is not good enough to play at this level… Why not give the likes of Croy a chance to play S14???

  • Comment 37, posted at 06.04.09 18:00:10 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 37) : too many egos in one pod.

  • Comment 38, posted at 06.04.09 18:02:07 by try time Reply

  • @wpw (Comment 37) : is Croy also a little fellow like Dollie?

  • Comment 39, posted at 06.04.09 18:05:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • Not little Rob. Maybe a bit short yes. Let me find his stats

  • Comment 40, posted at 06.04.09 18:23:07 by wpw Reply
  • Inconceivable that they could still believe its mental.

    Loads of technical and personnel issues is more like it.

    Have to agree that Look is playing a blinder of a season – good to see him concentrating on the game; he has plenty of talent.

  • Comment 41, posted at 06.04.09 19:28:17 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 41) : yaaah. i still think he contributes to stormers (other ones) playing badly though . this is a tough one

  • Comment 42, posted at 06.04.09 20:02:10 by rekinek Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 40) : Yep Croy not a biggies 10 but flippen nippy and can use the boot a bit. Much better then Dollie I think. We just me get Andre Smit back from the Valies next year. Was a year after Croy flyhalf at Paarl Gim and now played in the Varsity Cup. He is behind the Roses at the Valies and just maybe get back to his roots.

  • Comment 43, posted at 07.04.09 08:49:51 by PaarlBok Reply

  • Personal Details
    Full Name Ricardo
    Surname Croy
    Height 174cm
    Weight 85kg
    Birth Date 7 December 1986

    He’s tiny, just all the other WP flyhalves.

  • Comment 44, posted at 07.04.09 09:28:06 by robdylan Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 40) : WRONG!!! 🙂

  • Comment 45, posted at 07.04.09 09:34:39 by robdylan Reply
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  • Well shiiit, If the bog okes aint doing anything special, let the smallies have a run.

  • Comment 46, posted at 07.04.09 09:50:40 by Claytie Reply
  • @PaarlBok (Comment 43) :

    He is a bit short but weighs in at 85kg’s which is not bad.

  • Comment 47, posted at 07.04.09 09:54:15 by wpw Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 45) :

    I reckon you will find a few international flyhalves who are round about 85-90kgs.

    Andre Pretorius

    One only has to look at De Waal to see that bigger is not always better.

  • Comment 48, posted at 07.04.09 09:56:29 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 48) : yeah, but everybody has known for years that De Waal is kak. Everyone besides his out tjommie Rassie, that is.

  • Comment 49, posted at 07.04.09 11:01:03 by robdylan Reply
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