Div admits replacement blunder

Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :2009 Lions Tour, In the news, Springboks on 21 Jun 2009 at 13:47
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Springbok coach Peter de Villiers admitted that it was a mistake to send on a rash of second-half replacements, which almost cost his team victory in their nail-biting 26-21 triumph over the British and Irish Lions in Durban on Saturday.

Jan de Koning, Rugby365.

Speaking in the immediate aftermath of his team’s narrow win, which gave them a vital 1-0 lead in the three-Test series, De Villiers said he thought the team was “looking flat” and needed an injection of pace and energy.

De Villiers cleared his bench at a crucial stage in the second half – with his team leading 26-7 and looking in command.

But on came Danie Rossouw for star poacher Heinrich Brüssow, Deon Carstens for captain John Smit, Gurthrö Steenkamp for man of the match Tendai Mtawarira, Hennie Bekker for the physical Bakkies Botha, an out of shape Enrico Januarie for star scrumhalf Fourie du Preez, Morné Steyn for Ruan Pienaar at flyhalf and Jaque Fourie for Jean de Villiers.

The Lions scored two converted tries in the 69th and 75th minutes – leaving the Boks to hang on for a narrow five-point victory and the Lions having outscored them by three tries to two.

“I wanted to bring on some fresh legs,” De Villiers said at a media briefing, adding that some of the guys hadn’t played for weeks.

“We were in control [on the scoreboard], but they were looking flat,” he said of his team, adding: “I made a mistake. I though we would inject enthusiasm and speed, but maybe I made too many [replacements] too soon.”

Captain John Smit came to the defence of his coach, saying that not all the blame for letting the Lions back into the game should be laid at the door of the replacements.

“It was a lapse of concentration, we simply did not maintain it [concentration] for the full 80,” Smit said, adding: “We took the foot off the gas in last 20 and didn’t clear our lines properly.”

De Villiers also praised the Lions for the manner in which they came back in the final quarter.

“We shouldn’t take away the brilliance of the Lions team,” he said, adding that the tourists showed they have the ability and willingness to fight back from even the most precarious situation.

“You must understand, this is a brilliant Lions side and they will always come back.”

Smit admitted that his team is now in a strong position, one up in the series and two matches to go – meaning they only have to win one of the two remaining matches on the Highveld to clinch the series.

“The first Test was always going to be very important, but now both teams will be fighting that much harder – one to finish [win the series] and one to survive [the Lions] and the pressure will be twice as much [in Pretoria next week],” the Bok captain said.

He felt that at times, when they executed well, the Boks looked good.

“But we didn’t get 80 minutes of that [good execution] and I felt we were a bit rusty. But this 80 minutes will certainly have helped us and we can be better next week,” he added.


  • Hennie Bekker? 😯

  • Comment 1, posted at 21.06.09 13:58:29 by wpw Reply
  • One has to admire PDV for admitting he got it wrong. I hope he learns from this mistake…

  • Comment 2, posted at 21.06.09 14:00:17 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 1) : someone’s caught in a timewarp! 🙂

  • Comment 3, posted at 21.06.09 14:44:13 by robdylan Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 2) : well, the first half was an awesome display of pragmatic ten-man rugby. Who’d have thought we’d ever see that from the De Villiers Boks?

  • Comment 4, posted at 21.06.09 14:46:07 by robdylan Reply
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  • I wonder what our friends on the dark side have to say about this performance… 🙄

  • Comment 5, posted at 21.06.09 19:09:24 by wpw Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 4) : and from his running flyhalf.
    that’s quite ironic actually.

  • Comment 6, posted at 21.06.09 19:47:34 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 6) : it is indeed

  • Comment 7, posted at 21.06.09 20:36:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • the one thing that bugs me. didn’t div watch the sharks game – you do not take john off and especially not if (by his own admission) boks are not dominating the game. how many times does it need to backfire to learn the lesson.

  • Comment 8, posted at 22.06.09 08:04:19 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 8) :

    Well lets hope he learns from his own mistakes.

    I doubt it will happen again.

    On another note, I noticed all and sundry are calling for Adi Jacobs to be dropped and claiming he struggled defensively.

    Am I the only one (beside Charlie of course) who thought he defended OK???

    Ruan slipped a few tackles but no mention of that.. 🙄

  • Comment 9, posted at 22.06.09 08:08:00 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 9) : Fourie missed Croft at minute 57.35, missed Roberts leading to Croft’s try at minute 67.36. And missed Bowe at minute 78.40. How can he possibly improve the tackling? Ths kind of preconceived reporting is highly unfair and biased.

    As for Adi and Jean their “misses” are largely fiction. For example when Roberts beat Juan Smith in the centre position and Adi who was marking O Driscoll turned, but could only lay a hand on Roberts already in the gap… that a missed tackle, as is so enthusiastically reported? Most of the breaks came from misalignments, and potential overlaps that were exploited inside.

    If we want to play an Aussie style containment defence, we can’t have the whole pack contesting the breakdown. We need a wall of tacklers, did we ever see that?

    C’mon people, raise the bar a bit please. If we wanted to read pure bias, we would be reading Gavin Rich.

  • Comment 10, posted at 22.06.09 08:15:14 by Charlie Reply

  • But Jacobs missed a tackle on BOD in the last 15 min,but no points being scored by the Lions, he actually made a good front up tackle on BOD after that mistake 😉

  • Comment 11, posted at 22.06.09 08:23:41 by Charlie Reply

  • BTW, so Jacobs was the only player in the Bok team that missed a tackle ? I am just asking, most of the other players did also missed a few easy tackles, but nobody’s mentioning a word about that… 🙄

  • Comment 12, posted at 22.06.09 08:31:41 by Charlie Reply

  • @Charlie (Comment 10) : The problem is, they’re blaming Jacobs for his bad communication on defence for the tackles Fourie stuffed up.

  • Comment 13, posted at 22.06.09 08:41:55 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 13) : Interesting that nobody’s asking why in 80 min of game time the ball didn’t reach our midfield, never mind the wings, even once for launching an attack.

    The Boks played mostly 10 men rugby, where the Lions took the ball wide, and their midfield look good, where the Boks have JDV & Jacobs renowned for their creativity and ball in hand play, but was never used to it’s fullest potential… 👿

  • Comment 14, posted at 22.06.09 08:49:40 by Charlie Reply

  • What horrified me was the possesion stat at the end of the game we had 32%….illustrating that Brussow is critical to us getting ball.

  • Comment 15, posted at 22.06.09 08:55:45 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 15) : 😉

  • Comment 16, posted at 22.06.09 08:58:24 by Charlie Reply

  • @wpw (Comment 9) : because everyone is soooo surprised (like it was impossible)that he had a good game.

    @Charlie (Comment 14) : it was 10 men game.Point. musty have been frustrating for the outside backs. can’t see loftus test going in other direction.

    if i was PdV i would have kept the entire team (including starting 15)for sat unchanged.

  • Comment 17, posted at 22.06.09 08:59:00 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 15) : the lions learnt the hard way that under this type of ELVs the possesion is a liability :mrgreen:

  • Comment 18, posted at 22.06.09 09:01:04 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 15) :

    We also kicked away too much ball.

    If we continue playing ‘Stormers rugby’ in the Tri Nations we will end last on the log for the 2nd year running. 🙄

  • Comment 19, posted at 22.06.09 09:02:46 by wpw Reply
  • @rekinek (Comment 17) : Agree, and then smashed them with a fifty in the last test with attacking rugby 😈

  • Comment 20, posted at 22.06.09 09:12:13 by Charlie Reply

  • @Charlie (Comment 20) : that’s the plan then 😆

  • Comment 21, posted at 22.06.09 09:22:49 by rekinek Reply
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  • disagree, adi is not on form. and it has to do with the injury. ruans supposed missed tackles weren’t his to make. the players on the inside weren’t doing their job. and that was mainly due to brussows departure.

  • Comment 22, posted at 22.06.09 09:25:24 by try time (superrugby's kryptonite is SANZAR) Reply

  • @rekinek (Comment 21) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 23, posted at 22.06.09 09:29:06 by Charlie Reply

  • I think some of you are all very forgiving, I am sure if we had lost that game, it might not have been so. His biggest mistake was taking Brussouw off the field when he did. as well as emptying the bench. We should have driven home the advantage, we had and scored two more tries and murdered them, now we have given them hope, this is test rugby for goodness sake, not tidily winks, where were Dick and Gary Gold surely they should have seen this as the assistants??

  • Comment 24, posted at 22.06.09 09:35:39 by Whindy Reply
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  • @try time (superrugby’s kryptonite is SANZAR) (Comment 22) : is your DYI finished – took you a while :mrgreen:

  • Comment 25, posted at 22.06.09 09:48:02 by rekinek Reply
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  • I was a P Divvie detractor mainly because he wasn’t the best candidate for the job but what didn’t help was him throwing out all JW’s good work with that high-risk shit last year. I feel management has returned to the style JW implemented and I’m glad to see Snor is big enough to admit his errors. He is starting to gain my respect now.

  • Comment 26, posted at 22.06.09 09:53:02 by klempie Reply

  • @wpw (Comment 19) : That’s quite self-deprecating of you. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 27, posted at 22.06.09 09:53:29 by klempie Reply

  • @klempie (Comment 26) : Good for you :mrgreen:

  • Comment 28, posted at 22.06.09 09:55:59 by Charlie Reply

  • @Charlie (Comment 28) : 😛

  • Comment 29, posted at 22.06.09 09:59:15 by klempie Reply

  • @Whindy (Comment 24) :

    PDV admitted he got it wrong. He made a mistake and lets hope he learns from it.

    At least he is man enough to admit it!!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 30, posted at 22.06.09 10:00:58 by wpw Reply
  • @klempie (Comment 27) :

    What can I say??

    I’m a masochist!!! 😈

  • Comment 31, posted at 22.06.09 10:02:32 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 30) : did he have another choice than to admit – it was pretty obvious.

  • Comment 32, posted at 22.06.09 10:06:11 by rekinek Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 31) : I agree about kicking too much ball away though…it felt too much like the ’09 Sharks. Hoping he’s not overcompensating after last year.

  • Comment 33, posted at 22.06.09 10:07:14 by klempie Reply

  • @rekinek (Comment 32) : This is South Africa. A lot of people don’t admit obvious mistakes in national positions so good on him for doing so…. 😉

  • Comment 34, posted at 22.06.09 10:08:14 by klempie Reply

  • @rekinek (Comment 32) :

    Jake White anyone???

  • Comment 35, posted at 22.06.09 10:13:38 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 35) : meaning? 😕

  • Comment 36, posted at 22.06.09 10:14:29 by klempie Reply

  • Jake White was VERY stubborn!!!

    Remember the mistake he made when he said very few of the Oirish players would make the Bok team???

    Did he admit he made a mistake??? 🙄

  • Comment 37, posted at 22.06.09 10:23:39 by wpw Reply
  • @klempie (Comment 36) : I think he means that Jake never admitted mistakes. Maybe its because he’s a god.

  • Comment 38, posted at 22.06.09 10:23:58 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 38) : That can be the only explanation… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 39, posted at 22.06.09 10:30:55 by klempie Reply

  • @wpw (Comment 37) : JW may have been stuborn but he also has a trinations and a WC to his name (along with junior titles). 😉

  • Comment 40, posted at 22.06.09 10:32:13 by klempie Reply

  • Here’s a poser. What would you guys think of JW coaching the Sharks?

  • Comment 41, posted at 22.06.09 10:34:57 by klempie Reply

  • @klempie (Comment 40) :

    Jake was not even coach of the U21’s when they won. Eric Sauls was the head coach but Jake somehow gets all the credit!!!

    What’s that saying about squirrels and nuts??? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 42, posted at 22.06.09 10:39:10 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 42) : Ask Rob. He’s the expert on those areas of fauna and flora. 😛

  • Comment 43, posted at 22.06.09 10:44:06 by klempie Reply

  • @klempie (Comment 41) : Was quite excited when they mentioned him as a replacement for Loffie at the Lions but he f#cked that one up something chronic. I f I was Jake I would settle into retirement, give my opinion and experience to anybody who would pay for it but to be as successful again I cannot see it so stay at the top everybody remembers him for winning the world cup he could end up as being a has been coach if he does come back. Look at Mallet!!

  • Comment 44, posted at 22.06.09 10:45:09 by Whindy Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 44) : Agreed.

  • Comment 45, posted at 22.06.09 11:29:14 by klempie Reply

  • I find it slightly alarming that P Divvie and co dont appear to ahve studied the Lions game thusfar on tour – they always finish strongly.

    It also concerns me that they removed the backbone of the team and thoguht the game was already won.
    John, Bakkies, Brussouw, Fourie, Ruan, Jean. That’s the heart of the team and the most important decision-making positions.

    Playing a loosehead on tighthead is foolhardy.

    Also concerning is that P Divvie also doesnt appeared to have watched the Fiji WC game or the few where the Sharks faltered badly with John off the field.

    That said – he admitted he made a mistake and I’m prepared to overlook IF he takes it on board and never takes chances like that again.

    It’s time P Divvie realises that he is remarkably lucky and blessed to be at the helm of SA rugby for a Lions tour. We’ve had about 10 coaches through the ranks since the last Lions tour.
    These games are as big as WC finals.

    We’d never use replacements in this fashion in a WC final so why do it for a Lions tour.

    Lose the arrogance boys and play clean, clinical rugby.

  • Comment 46, posted at 22.06.09 12:52:56 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • Just blame it on Bobby ..dear me 🙄 please someone needs to tell him he is not a commentators arse.


  • Comment 47, posted at 22.06.09 13:45:26 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

  • Jacobs missed no more tackles than most of the Bokke on the park..its a collective responsibility for letting the Lions back into the game.

    And I wish to God that this obsession with PDV being the worst coach ever will stop …On Sat it was the 1st time in Bok History in my experience that a coach openly admits he screwed it up , liveon TV !

    Respect !

  • Comment 48, posted at 22.06.09 13:49:22 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 48) :
    There… somebody else said it first.

    People need to just let it go already – he is far better than some we have had.

    Leave the grinding of axes for spouses and co-workers.

  • Comment 49, posted at 22.06.09 13:54:11 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 49) : 😯

  • Comment 50, posted at 22.06.09 14:02:02 by wpw Reply
  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 48) : @Big Fish (Comment 49) : Agree, but why they still bother in supporting the Boks when they have no respect for PDV and certain players 👿

  • Comment 51, posted at 22.06.09 14:04:12 by Charlie Reply

  • @Charlie (Comment 51) :

    Cos they a bunch of idiots, that’s why!!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 52, posted at 22.06.09 14:07:46 by wpw Reply
  • Fact we beat both England and Aus with record scores last year with the kinda rugby we ALL want to see the Boks play.
    Those 2 victories meant just as much to me than winning the WC purely in the manner we played and at Twickenam.

    PDV strikes me as very humble person and keen to try diff things and learn from them ..that can only be a good thing.

    Take Sat game , I’m convinced had we played a helter sckelter running game we would have lost the test.

    PDV and he’s assistance we’re big enough to know the game plan we played was perfect as we were always going to be underdone..and we were , 26-7 up playing ordinary ruggers is remarkable.

    @Charlie (Comment 51) :

    Cause some actually believe that the team ‘belongs’ to them 🙄

  • Comment 53, posted at 22.06.09 14:17:42 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

  • From Voldy – Ruffled coach points to scoreboard…

    Peter de Villiers says the media and supporters should celebrate a victory rather than pick apart his poor team management.
    South Africa led the British & Irish Lions 26-7 after a massive maul saw Heinrich Brussow crashing over in the second half. Thereafter, the Bok coaching staff made a series of substitutions that disrupted the dynamic and momentum of the hosts.

    In the aftermath, reporters from around the globe slammed the Bok coaches for the decisions that almost cost the world champions a deserved victory.

    De Villiers says he has no time for such negativity.

    ‘I head the papers went mad [with the substitution issue],’ he told ‘Sorry for them. Do they know we won the match? We’ve taken 12 years to beat the Lions, and if we beat them by one point, I will rejoice.

    ‘I was replacing Springboks with Springboks, not with schoolboys. I made the decision to substitute them because I felt we needed to inject some pace and energy into the game. In any rugby match, there is a period where players go to sleep, so you want to inject new energy.

    ‘Looking back, I maybe took too long to make the change as we had already gone into a defensive mode. I could have put two new guys on straight away, and then a few more a bit later. But again, I’m very happy we won the game.’

    The King’s Park crowd celebrated at the final whistle, but every spectator at the ground and watching on television will have realised the Boks nearly blew it.

    De Villiers said he respected public opinion, but would not be swayed by it. He also believes that the Bok bench is well balanced and players like Ricky Januarie, a player who has looked devoid of confidence since being dropped by the Stormers, deserves his place.

    ‘If I listened to 43 million opinions, I believe I would be lost. People didn’t believe we had a fullback in our squad [when it was first announced] and they didn’t believe Ruan Pienaar could play flyhalf. But hey, as long as they believe there is one God, then that is good.

    ‘I’m not concerned about Ricky’s form. Look, if you go to a black mechanic and he doesn’t fix your car, you don’t go back. If you go to a white mechanic and he doesn’t fix your car, you go back and make sure he fixes the problem. What I am saying is give Ricky a chance.’

    De Villiers refused to comment on changes to the match 22 before the team announcement on Tuesday, but said the team should be that much better for having played together at King’s Park. The Bok coach admitted rustiness was an issue in their first Test of the year, and this affected aspects like defence.

    ‘If you have 26% possession and they have 63%, and the end score is 26-21, then who is playing badly? We had to do a lot of defending and I am proud of my team.

    ‘But we want to get our hands on the ball more this weekend, and we want to improve our defence. Maybe it was a case of the guys not playing together for awhile, as you could see it in the organisation of the defence. They need more game time together.

    ‘You also have to consider that all five of our franchises defend differently, and a Bok side doesn’t just have players from one franchise, it has players from all five.

    ‘We will show more commitment to that area in the build-up to Saturday.’

    De Villiers said he expects a backlash from the Lions, a team he believes to be ‘brilliant’. But he is not worried about the scrums or lineouts and expects the Boks to maintain the ascendancy in these areas of the game.

    ‘I’m not surprised our scrum went so well. I’ve always said John Smit is a good anchor and I believe a lot of people might have been fooled by Beast Mtawarira before the game.

    ‘But we tried to move the Lions’ scrum forward and not sideways. We never concentrated on the individual, we looked for synergy and scrummed as a unit.

    ‘I was surprised that the Lions played their best prop in Euan Murray against the Kings. He was the only prop to give us trouble last year [when the Boks played Scotland] and it was a relief when we heard he was picked in their midweek team. It’s also a relief to hear he has moved on [and been ruled out of the rest of the tour].’

    Finally, De Villiers said the Boks have indeed scored a psychological blow by winning the first Test, but maintains the Boks need to stay focused.

    The Lions will remain in Cape Town until Friday before flying up to Gauteng. It remains to be seen whether coach Ian McGeechan’s tactic of travelling to altitude as late as possible pays dividends.

    By Jon Cardinelli, in Johannesburg

  • Comment 54, posted at 22.06.09 14:22:15 by Charlie Reply

  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 53) : 👿 👿 👿

  • Comment 55, posted at 22.06.09 14:22:34 by Charlie Reply

  • ‘I’m not concerned about Ricky’s form. Look, if you go to a black mechanic and he doesn’t fix your car, you don’t go back. If you go to a white mechanic and he doesn’t fix your car, you go back and make sure he fixes the problem. What I am saying is give Ricky a chance.’

    The fact are that this is true, for happening everyday in the new South Africa, all about trust… 😉

  • Comment 56, posted at 22.06.09 14:29:32 by Charlie Reply

  • oh dear what have I done ..HELP !!!!

    wpw ?

  • Comment 57, posted at 22.06.09 14:30:44 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

  • @Charlie (Comment 56) : Where’s Rob when ya need him? 😈

  • Comment 58, posted at 22.06.09 14:31:25 by klempie Reply

  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 58) : 😆 😆 😆

  • Comment 59, posted at 22.06.09 14:32:09 by Charlie Reply

  • @klempie (Comment 59) : 😯 😯 😯

  • Comment 60, posted at 22.06.09 14:33:50 by Charlie Reply

  • @klempie (Comment 59) : Who ? Rob the mechanic ? 😆

  • Comment 61, posted at 22.06.09 14:34:29 by Charlie Reply

  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 58) :

    You want me to delete that??? 😉

  • Comment 62, posted at 22.06.09 14:37:40 by wpw Reply
  • @Charlie (Comment 54) :

    I agree with De Villiers. 😎

    A win is a win imho.

    I’m sure the players won’t mind winning the series 3-0 by playing boring 10 man rugby.

    No one remembers if we won 15-12 with no tries being scored (RWC final anyone??) 🙄

  • Comment 63, posted at 22.06.09 14:43:32 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 63) : That’s true. But I also don’t believe they will play 10 man rugby in the next couple of games. They’re better than that.

  • Comment 64, posted at 22.06.09 14:56:28 by klempie Reply

  • ‘I’m not concerned about Ricky’s form. Look, if you go to a black mechanic and he doesn’t fix your car, you don’t go back. If you go to a white mechanic and he doesn’t fix your car, you go back and make sure he fixes the problem. What I am saying is give Ricky a chance.’

    You’re a bloody fool.

  • Comment 65, posted at 22.06.09 15:00:38 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • The Lions will remain in Cape Town until Friday before flying up to Gauteng. It remains to be seen whether coach Ian McGeechan’s tactic of travelling to altitude as late as possible pays dividends.

    Another bloody fool.

  • Comment 66, posted at 22.06.09 15:01:20 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • ‘If you have 26% possession and they have 63%, and the end score is 26-21, then who is playing badly? We had to do a lot of defending and I am proud of my team.

    I’m also proud of the team, just not so proud of you.

    The boys won despite your brainfart on the weekend and we could’ve gone into the second test having put them to the sword.
    Instead we go into the second test with the Lions believeing they were possibly hard done by and could’ve won.

    Lets not forget if Monye could actually dot donw a ball we woudl’ve lost that test. And all because P Divvie thought we needed fresh legs and were a bit flat. A bit flat? Has he pickled his brain – we were 19 points ahead in the biggest game of most of those players lives.

    I can forgive him if he learns from his mistake.
    But in true P Divvie style he says sorry in one line and spends the next 5 interviews telling the world how every rugby pundit, fan, journalist and ex-player was wrong and he was right. Even though he just said he was wrong.

    This is a very good side that have been togehter for almsot 6 years.
    They dont need a coach to reinvent the wheel – they just need a coach that ensures things tick over and lets them get on with what they do well.

    The last thing this side needs is a coach intent on cutting off their achilles tendon with some brainfarts.

    Peter – shut-up, stop trying to reinvent the game, let the boys play. And shut-up.

  • Comment 67, posted at 22.06.09 15:07:53 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 67) :

    Bru, you really need to get a grip.

    Calm down bra!!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 68, posted at 22.06.09 15:12:57 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 68) : I find it mesmerising. Like slowing down to see a car accident…

  • Comment 69, posted at 22.06.09 15:15:39 by klempie Reply

  • @wpw (Comment 68) :

    Very calm bra. Just think you guys defending Divvie need to have a good long hard look at what you’re saying.

    A coach that makes decisions like that wouldn’t last very logn in any country in the world. Why should he be immune from criticism simply because he’s South African.

    It was a monumentally stupid thing to do. He then admitted it was but whines to the press the next day?

    I really want him to succeed but all he’s succeeding in at the mometn is looking like a tool.

  • Comment 70, posted at 22.06.09 15:16:56 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • @klempie (Comment 69) :

    So you think it was a good decision to take chances in a game of this magnitude?

  • Comment 71, posted at 22.06.09 15:17:44 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • Found this on Voldy

    “I bet Big Phil can’t get this one out of his head:

    hush little baby, don’t say a word
    and never mind that noise you heard
    it’s just the BEAST under you bed
    in your closet, in your head…

    Exit light. Enter night.”

    hehehehe….I am sure old Vic felt like he was scrumming against “Metal”….lica

  • Comment 72, posted at 22.06.09 15:19:05 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 72) :

    That’s very, very good.

  • Comment 73, posted at 22.06.09 15:19:53 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 70) :

    He is probably whining about it because most of them are asking him the same darn questions.

    ‘Lets not forget if Monye could actually dot donw a ball we woudl’ve lost that test.’

    Think back to the RWC quarter final and that try saving tackle of JP Pietersen.

    What would have happened had we been knocked out of the WC at that stage??? Jake White would have been crucified.

    We did not. We won the game and went on the lift the cup.

    Same as this last Saturday. We won the game and WILL go on to win the series!!

  • Comment 74, posted at 22.06.09 15:20:43 by wpw Reply
  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 71) : No, no. I didn’t really absorb what you said. It was just the wreckless abandon in which you said that was completely fascinating! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 75, posted at 22.06.09 15:21:46 by klempie Reply

  • @wpw (Comment 74) :

    Mate, if you think a win justifies the means then we were watching different games on Saturday.

    If Carstens didnt “injure his shoulder” we would’ve lost that game.
    If any one of the three almost-tries were scored we would’ve lost that game.
    Indeed, if the game was 5 minutes longer we would’ve lost this game.

    And this is a game where we were leading by 19 points with 20 minutes to play.
    I’m sorry mate – to the extent that we outclassed them man-for-man they actually outplayed us in attack.

    Yes you take your luck but what grates me is the carelessness shown by our “master tactician”.
    In this day and age the players are so close physically that the brainstrust really do have a massive part to play – how else do you explain the fact that Australia is still competitive?

    That was a massively risky call and I dont know any serving international coach that has ever made such a poor, hig-risk call.

    Again, just carelessness and a wee bit of arrogance.

    Add this to the decision not to select a second tighthead (John has now proven beyond a shadow that he is up for tighthead) and its just lunacy. In the biggest game of his life?
    His reserve prop had to “get injured” in order to bring our captain back on and save the game.

    Why would you not select another tighthead when you intend taking off your only tighteahd and captain?

    The other thing I couldnt fathom is as followS: the boks have a lot of leaders on the pitch. John Smit, Bakkies, Fourie du Preez and Jean de Villiers. All leaders in every team they play.
    But then you go and take them all off the field within minutes of each other? In the biggest game of most of their lives? Is he mad?

  • Comment 76, posted at 22.06.09 15:31:02 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • If Carstens didnt “injure his shoulder” we would’ve lost that game.

    Bru, that is your opinion not a FACT.

    FACT: We won the game on Saturday!!

    FACT: PDV admitted he made a mistake & will hopefully learn from it.

  • Comment 77, posted at 22.06.09 15:36:21 by wpw Reply
  • @klempie (Comment 75) :

    Yes I know.

    Was quite willing to be pragmatic and give Div the benefit of the doubt until I saw some fo the comments ascribed to him.

    He really needs to realise he isnt Jose Mourinho and only a very young, very, very inexperienced international coach who is coaching his first big team.
    If the rest of the rugby world, literally from all of the world, thinks he got it wrong then he probably has.

    Rather just refuse to give comment than to go on to defend a careless decision he admitted to the previous day.

    We were very lucky to win that game even though we played better than them for large parts of the game.

  • Comment 78, posted at 22.06.09 15:38:56 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • I dont think anyone doubts that PDV screwed up, and that he says weird things in the media.

    He is not the first – JW did the same, as did guys like Mourhino, Ferguson, Wenger etc.

    Agree that he needs to relook the substitution lunacy – cos unfathomable lunacy it was, but lets not forget that we still beat a very good side.

    As for the Ricky issues, I reckon I could start ahead of him, but this is not the first “coach’s call” that goes against logic – remember JW’s de Wet Barry and Andre Snyman pipe-dreams?

    Say the coach screwed up on some calls by all means, but criticism will be taken much more seriously if it is balanced by recognition of the good as well.

    And maybe take a Calmette. 😉

  • Comment 79, posted at 22.06.09 15:38:59 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 76) : With all the if’s you’re throwing around I can only imagine how you reacted after the dunedin game.

  • Comment 80, posted at 22.06.09 15:39:48 by molly Reply
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  • Also, this is kinda in defence of the subs, but Jean and Ruan hadn’t played 80 minutes of rugby in how long? I don’t blame Div for wanting to take them off. Taking the rest off was fairly stoopid. And once again… in one go????

  • Comment 81, posted at 22.06.09 15:42:21 by molly Reply
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  • I would feel more confident in Ricky if he was a mechanic.

  • Comment 82, posted at 22.06.09 15:43:09 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 76) :

    Dude, I’ve said what I wanted to wrt the substitutions. 😕

  • Comment 83, posted at 22.06.09 15:44:04 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 77) :

    So great, we win this game and bumble along and end up last in the 3N again.

    Again, I’m happy we won the game – I just dont think we won it as emphatically as we could’ve.

    This was Joburg against the Ozzies last year. Only this time we messed around and instead of winning by by 50 points in what is referred to as an historic win we ended up winning by 5 points, nearly losing the game and giving them a load of confidence in the lead-up to the second test.

  • Comment 84, posted at 22.06.09 15:45:05 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • @molly (Comment 80) : :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 85, posted at 22.06.09 15:46:03 by wpw Reply
  • @Salmonoid (Comment 82) :


  • Comment 86, posted at 22.06.09 15:47:09 by wpw Reply
  • @Big Fish (Comment 79) :

    I dont have any issues with his players selected, even Ricky. I actually thought the way the boys played and the selections were pretty good.
    I also support Adi’s continued selection.

    My issue is purely that tactical blunders of that magnitude will be brutally punished going forward. It was monumentally stupid.
    Can you imagine how Deans and Henry were rubbing their hands watching that?

  • Comment 87, posted at 22.06.09 15:50:22 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • @molly (Comment 80) :

    It shows how very fortunate we are to be one up in this series.

  • Comment 88, posted at 22.06.09 15:51:37 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • @molly (Comment 81) :

    If a player is not fit to play 80 minutes he shouldn’t be played.

    Again with these unnecessary risks we seem intent on taking.

  • Comment 89, posted at 22.06.09 15:52:57 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • wpw,

    It all comes down to how you’d like to see the Boks play.

    I’d like to see them as ruthless machines, winning bbeing the only priority.

    You just want them to look pretty when they win which inevitably means they will lose more games than if they play conservative, traditional SA rugby.

  • Comment 90, posted at 22.06.09 15:54:48 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 86) :
    Blame Charlie, he started posting about mechanics.

  • Comment 91, posted at 22.06.09 15:58:54 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 90) :

    I’d like to see them as ruthless machines, winning bbeing the only priority.

    Winning is never the only priority in SA sport…we all know that. 🙄

  • Comment 92, posted at 22.06.09 15:59:14 by klempie Reply

  • @Salmonoid (Comment 91) : hehehehehehehehe

  • Comment 93, posted at 22.06.09 15:59:49 by klempie Reply

  • “If you have 26% possession and they have 63%, and the end score is 26-21”
    Something about this maths looks wrong, I just cant figure it out!

  • Comment 94, posted at 22.06.09 16:02:12 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 91) : :mrgreen: 😈 :mrgreen:

  • Comment 95, posted at 22.06.09 16:04:59 by Charlie Reply

  • @klempie (Comment 92) :

    hey!!! 👿

  • Comment 96, posted at 22.06.09 16:05:56 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 96) : I DARE you to try and prove anything…. 😉

  • Comment 97, posted at 22.06.09 16:07:26 by klempie Reply

  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 87) :
    Fair enough Vinnie, and I know that you are 100% an SA supporter – my intention is not to question your credentials or motivation – I am just saying that in my opinion we must still give the guy credit for a very noteworthy win, and allow him the right to also stuff up (but like you said, he needs to learn).

    I don’t think that you, wpw, or me are really in disagreement about the fundamentals here.

    @klempie (Comment 92) :
    Yes it is – but the question of wining for whom and for how long is understood differently.

    But how about we respect Rob’s work in putting this forum together and abide by a simple rule?

  • Comment 98, posted at 22.06.09 16:11:53 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 98) :

    Yeah I agree. I’m just venting though pure frustration.
    I’ve had to wait through some many rough patches that when my team is playing really well I want them to continue playing really well.

    I think the frustrating part os that we played conservative, percentage rugby on the field but we gambled mightily when it came to selection and substituions.

    I’d just like to see our coach take less unnecessary chances.

    The only unforced errors we made on Saturday were Peter’s. He has the opportunity to become a legendary coach if only he can keep his head and stop trying to change the way the game is played.

    This is a good enough side that he needs to do very little outside of guiding them and blooding new players.

  • Comment 99, posted at 22.06.09 16:20:02 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • I have yet to see PDivvie learn from his mistakes….whenever the team have done well, or pulled through, it is because they have taken matters into their own hands and done things their way – including fixing some of his mind boggling press statements!

    As for Januarie – is he the broken car or the bad mechanic?

  • Comment 100, posted at 22.06.09 16:40:57 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 100) :

    Lol. I dunno which one he is but I do know he looks like a spare wheel!

    Crazy that a profesisonal athlete cant keep himself in shape.

  • Comment 101, posted at 22.06.09 17:24:17 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • @Just a Fan (Comment 100) :
    Thats the kind of statement I personally find unbelievable – the concept that every time something goes wrong, its that individual’s fault, and everytime something works out, its despite that person.

    Strikes me as something out of a soapie – JR Ewing stuff.

    And how does one judge that the team is doing something despite what the coach wants when they succeed? Do they phone people up and tell them?

    And how come don’t they do this ALL the time then – surely once you disobey the coach successfully, you will continue to do so again, and therefore he won’t be able to spoil everything again?

    Unfathomable logic really.

  • Comment 102, posted at 22.06.09 18:25:49 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 46) : ruan was a blood replacement so Div(a) did not have a choice. I’m also not sure how long bakkies (the 40min man) can play. fairie – the shoulder man. there may have been some sense in madness though.

  • Comment 103, posted at 22.06.09 19:08:35 by rekinek Reply
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  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 47) : he is so scared t 😆 o crit 😆 icise any of the players – boring 😕

  • Comment 104, posted at 22.06.09 19:10:14 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 102) : I think it’s a case of picking a viewpoint ahead of time and then bludgeoning the evidence to fit.

  • Comment 105, posted at 22.06.09 19:14:22 by robdylan Reply
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