Div dilemma: Heinrich v Schalk

Written by Wesley Weber (wpw)

Posted in :In the news, Springboks, Tri Nations on 10 Aug 2009 at 17:58
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South African coach Peter de Villiers faces a tough decision when selecting his flanks for the away tour to Australia and New Zealand. Will it be Heinrich Brüssow or Schalk Burger or both?

Stephen Nell reports for sport24.co.za

Burger’s suspension for reckless play – received after the second Test against the British and Irish Lions – will expire on August 22.

He was included in South Africa’s 27-man squad for Australasia and will be available for the first match against the Wallabies in Perth on August 29.

Wallaby flank George Smith who played against Brüssow on Saturday, praised the young Free State star for his impact made in Burger’s absence.

“Which of the two should be chosen is a tough question for South Africa’s selectors,” said Smith.

“Heinrich is currently playing very well, but Schalk again brings something else to the game. It will depend on South Africa’s game plan.”

Smith believes Brüssow and Burger could be used in the same loose trio. But Juan Smith, who will in such a scenario have to stand down, was in good form for Saturday’s victory of 29-17.

He did leave the field due to a leg injury and in the next few days it will become clear how serious the injury is.

The Bok selectors have meanwhile called up Burger, Ryan Kankowski, Gurthrö Steenkamp and Odwa Ndungane.

Steenkamp’s return gives South Africa the option of having a second prop on the bench.

The Boks will next leave for Perth next Monday, where they will face Australia in the first of two Tests.

The second Test is on September 5 in Brisbane, after which South Africa will meet New Zealand in Hamilton on September 12.

South Africa:

Forwards: John Smit (c), Victor Matfield (u/c), Andries Bekker, Bakkies Botha, Heinrich Brüssow, Schalk Burger, Bismarck du Plessis, Jannie du Plessis, Ryan Kankowski,Tendai Mtawarira, Chiliboy Ralepelle, Danie Rossouw, Juan Smith, Pierre Spies, Gurthrö Steenkamp.

Backs: Jean de Villiers, Fourie du Preez, Jaque Fourie, Bryan Habana, Adi Jacobs, Ricky Januarie, Odwa Ndungane, Wynand Olivier, Ruan Pienaar, JP Pietersen, Frans Steyn, Morné Steyn.


  • This is a ‘no brainer’ 🙄

    He of course needs to go with Schalk!!! 😈

  • Comment 1, posted at 10.08.09 18:03:34 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 1) : that is the option I would go with. If I had no brain

  • Comment 2, posted at 10.08.09 19:15:06 by robdylan Reply
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  • This should not be a discussion, even if Schalk was on form, he has not played enough rugby lately with injuries and suspensions, Heinrich has done more than enough to keep his place in the team, put Burger on the bench

  • Comment 3, posted at 10.08.09 19:57:50 by war1 Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : 😆 me too

  • Comment 4, posted at 10.08.09 19:58:22 by war1 Reply
  • Burger on the bench at best.


  • Comment 5, posted at 10.08.09 21:11:35 by McLovin Reply

  • schalk shouldn’t even be on the bench, dannie rossouw had a better s14 than him, carries the ball well & has added the off-load to his game & he is also a lineout option so i don’t see schalk replacing him…

    Funny thing is george smith can’t exactly put into words what it is the schalk ostensibly bribgs to the game! Meanwhile we know exactly what heinrich brings…

    don’t change the current squad, schalk must stew there on the periphery incase we have injuries or put him on when we’ve secured the tri-nations

  • Comment 6, posted at 10.08.09 21:27:25 by quota Reply

  • Who’s Schalk Burger ? 😆 Rather play him @ 7 from the bench 😉

  • Comment 7, posted at 11.08.09 08:17:32 by Charlie Reply

  • @Charlie (Comment 7) : Agree, let him replace Juan and leaved Brussow on for the whole 80. Juan and Burher can fight it out for the 7 jersey. I think Burger will actuallt make a great impact player

  • Comment 8, posted at 11.08.09 11:45:02 by Pokkel Reply
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  • I think PdV will have more of a dilemma deciding which white shirt to wear for the next game – than picking who to start at 6.

  • Comment 9, posted at 11.08.09 12:21:51 by blackshark Reply

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  • Schalk – you are the weakest link. Goodbye

  • Comment 10, posted at 11.08.09 12:34:39 by robdylan Reply
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  • How is this a dilemma? 😕

  • Comment 11, posted at 11.08.09 12:48:09 by klempie Reply

  • @klempie (Comment 11) :

    di?lem?ma??/d??l?m?/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [di-lem-uh] Show IPA
    Use dilemma in a Sentence
    –noun 1. a situation requiring a choice between equally undesirable alternatives.
    2. any difficult or perplexing situation or problem.
    3. Logic. a form of syllogism in which the major premise is formed of two or more hypothetical propositions and the minor premise is a disjunctive proposition, as “If A, then B; if C then D. Either A or C. Therefore, either B or D.”

    Oh it isn’t! 🙂

  • Comment 12, posted at 11.08.09 12:51:35 by klempie Reply

  • All you have to do it add up the penalty count per game against each player and the choice is obvious, then look at turnovers… still obvious, then look at good ‘go forward ball’ … definite no brainer!

  • Comment 13, posted at 11.08.09 12:59:59 by Rahul Reply

  • And why is spies still in the team… he is always isolating himself and losing possesion or holding on in the tackle. Put Schalk at no 8

  • Comment 14, posted at 11.08.09 13:06:07 by Rahul Reply

  • @Rahul (Comment 14) :

    Spies does not impress me much..

  • Comment 15, posted at 11.08.09 13:10:32 by Prof. Ice Babe(Thunder Horse) Reply
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  • @Rahul (Comment 14) : I disagree on Spies. I think he’s been a monster since the start of the season. It’s up to the others to keep up!

  • Comment 16, posted at 11.08.09 13:11:33 by klempie Reply

  • @Prof. Ice Babe(Thunder Horse) (Comment 15) : Jy beindruk my nie! 😐

  • Comment 17, posted at 11.08.09 13:12:13 by klempie Reply

  • On a diffrent note…I see Dan Carter is back at the AB’s!! 😀

    @klempie (Comment 17) :

    And…your point is?? 🙄

  • Comment 18, posted at 11.08.09 13:14:24 by Prof. Ice Babe(Thunder Horse) Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 16) : Spies has definately stepped up. I always critised him for not being effective in tight games and he is more involved in the dirty stuff now…thats why we don’t see that much anymore

  • Comment 19, posted at 11.08.09 13:15:08 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Last season I had my doubts about Spies but this season he has been doing well. All Blacks gave away penalties to stop him running from the base of the scrum.

    Have a look at how many times McCaw tried to tackle him and got handed off like a rag doll.

  • Comment 20, posted at 11.08.09 13:15:23 by McLovin Reply

  • Plus having a big loosie that can out pace most backs is certainly a bonus.

  • Comment 21, posted at 11.08.09 13:17:05 by McLovin Reply

  • Victor Matfield (u/c)

    What is u/c? Under Captain? 😆

  • Comment 22, posted at 11.08.09 13:20:13 by McLovin Reply

  • @McLovin (Comment 22) :

    Unofficial Captain..?? 😈

  • Comment 23, posted at 11.08.09 13:22:20 by Prof. Ice Babe(Thunder Horse) Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 16) : He is a monster, i doubt his decision making at times. He is like a great kicker making the wrong choices!

  • Comment 24, posted at 11.08.09 13:27:05 by Rahul Reply

  • @Prof. Ice Babe(Thunder Horse) (Comment 18) : Wou net almal laat weet. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 25, posted at 11.08.09 13:27:49 by klempie Reply

  • @klempie (Comment 25) :

    Glad you got that off your chest then..

  • Comment 26, posted at 11.08.09 13:42:11 by Prof. Ice Babe(Thunder Horse) Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice Babe(Thunder Horse) (Comment 26) : 😉

  • Comment 27, posted at 11.08.09 13:51:46 by klempie Reply

  • This is only a dilemma in a WP rugby writer’s mind. In PdV’s mind I am sure there ain’t even a hint of a dilemma. 😛 😉

    I think there are Bonus points on offer at the annual WP media awards for the guy who manages to write Schalk back into the team. 😆

  • Comment 28, posted at 11.08.09 15:08:20 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Rahul (Comment 14) :

    Dude, It seems there is an influx of Scots over here in KSA all from some refinery called Grangemouth in Scotland.

    You’d feel right at home, they know nothing about Rugby either. 😆

    Sorry D, I couldn’t resist. 😳

  • Comment 29, posted at 11.08.09 15:11:59 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 29) : 😆

  • Comment 30, posted at 11.08.09 15:14:22 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 29) :
    Are they also supporters of that greatest Scottish football team ever – Celtic.

  • Comment 31, posted at 11.08.09 15:38:50 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 28) : That said…PdV is a WP supporter… 😕

  • Comment 32, posted at 11.08.09 16:13:42 by klempie Reply

  • @Prof. Ice Babe(Thunder Horse) (Comment 15) : Did you notice him pass the ball on Saturday because I sure didn’t. He’s the most one dimensional player in the team.

  • Comment 33, posted at 11.08.09 16:58:14 by Baldrick Reply

  • @Baldrick (Comment 33) : nope – you’re confusing him with Morné Steyn… they look similar!

  • Comment 34, posted at 11.08.09 17:03:20 by robdylan Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 22) :

    u/c Utterly Crap Captain

  • Comment 35, posted at 11.08.09 17:23:25 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 31) :

    Most of them are rangers fans, same as Rahul. (Another reason he’d feel right at home) 😉

  • Comment 36, posted at 11.08.09 17:25:13 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 28) :
    Ashfak Mohamed wrote an article today saying that Vermeulen should be at 8 and Spies 7 for the Boks… 🙄

  • Comment 37, posted at 11.08.09 20:55:33 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 1) : Your but wont fit on that…you need those other ones USUALLY used in a citchen….

  • Comment 38, posted at 11.08.09 20:55:42 by Hmmm Reply

  • Same starting team…
    Drop Danie from the bench and bring Schalk on the bench and bring him in in place of Juan…
    Drop Chilli-baby and bring on Guthrow…

  • Comment 39, posted at 11.08.09 20:57:21 by Hmmm Reply

  • @Baldrick (Comment 33) :

    Baldy – I dont know if you are pulling mychain here – but I did not see him do much until about the last 15 minutes..I like to SEE what people do..

    Same with Brussow and Schalk…you can SEE Brussow’s hard work…surely then one can SEE an 8th man’s work too…rmmebr the liked of Teichman – he was a “visible” worker..


  • Comment 40, posted at 12.08.09 08:19:42 by Prof. Ice Babe(Thunder Horse) Reply
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  • JAKE White says he would pick Schalk Burger before Heinrich Brussow. The former Bok coach was giving his opinion on the current team ahead of the Test against Australia in Perth later this month.

    Burger is serving an eight-week suspension for reckless play, and in his absence the diminutive Brussow has performed superbly for the Boks.
    But White, who coached Burger from 2002, when the flanker was 19, says that Brussow does not offer the same qualities.

    “If you’re going to change a side you have to ask yourself whether it will improve the side,” White told The Times.
    “In the case of Schalk Burger it most definitely will.
    “I wouldn’t have picked Brussow, but I also have to admit he has done well. But Schalk is one of the best players in the world and he has been one of the best for the past five years. He hasn’t suddenly become a bad player,” White said.

    “I put a premium on the lineout and Burger will win that battle hands down over Brussow. He jumps well and the most overlooked aspect is the lifting he does at the lineout.
    “Though I don’t use the term ‘fetcher’, for lack of a better word, Burger is able to do that job as well.
    “Perhaps with the team at such an advanced stage of its development it can afford the luxury of having a flank the size of Brussow, but when I was coaching we certainly didn’t have that luxury.”

    Brussow is only 1.81m tall against Burger’s 1.96m. But the Free Stater has punched above his weight at the breakdown with both New Zealand’s Richie McCaw and Australia’s George Smith.
    Both players are considered the best at the job and Brussow was able to make life uncomfortable for them.

    But before recent matches against the Boks, McCaw and Smith agreed that South Africa would miss Burger’s physicality and while it never showed because Brussow was so effective, it indicates how highly rated Burger is by his peers.

    “Schalk has been voted the best player in the world in the past, but would Brussow ever win that award? I doubt it,” White said. “It will be interesting to see if the coach selects him in Australia.
    “It’s simply a question of ‘is he good enough or not?’ and if he isn’t, then why is he going on tour? Schalk has been selected to do a job and he should be allowed to do it.

    “I’ve read reports that suggest Schalk might have to vie for a place with Juan Smith in the No7 shirt. If that’s the thinking, and I don’t know for sure that it is, then they’re mad.
    “Why change something that isn’t broken? Schalk is an openside flank and Brussow is an openside flank and the choice must be between the two of them for the No6 jersey.”

    Form thetimes.co.za

    🙄 🙄 🙄

  • Comment 41, posted at 13.08.09 10:33:56 by blackshark Reply

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  • Why change something that is not broken

    Exactly…Brussow stays!!!

  • Comment 42, posted at 13.08.09 10:45:24 by blackshark Reply

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  • @blackshark (Comment 41) :

    It certainly aint broken right now either – so why change it?? 😈

  • Comment 43, posted at 13.08.09 10:48:17 by Prof. Ice Babe(Thunder Horse) Reply
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  • @blackshark (Comment 42) :

    Ditto!!Snap!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 44, posted at 13.08.09 10:49:02 by Prof. Ice Babe(Thunder Horse) Reply
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  • @Prof. Ice Babe(Thunder Horse) (Comment 44) :


    Jake is speaking like a loser right now – unless he was misquoted somehow…

    “Schalk has been voted the best player in the world in the past, but would Brussow ever win that award?

    He’s won M.O.M awards in big games – so if he keeps this up – I think the answer to that is a loud HELL YEAH!

  • Comment 45, posted at 13.08.09 10:55:13 by blackshark Reply

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  • Still hard to believe that Burger is only 26!

  • Comment 46, posted at 13.08.09 11:00:36 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • New thread is up: http://www.sharksworld.co.za/2009/08/13/jake-still-favours-schalk-over-brussow/

  • Comment 47, posted at 13.08.09 11:18:40 by wpw Reply
  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 46) :

    Still hard to believe Jake is still in denial about the need for a good fetcher…

  • Comment 48, posted at 13.08.09 11:27:56 by blackshark Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 47) :

    Copy & Paste my comments please… 😈

  • Comment 49, posted at 13.08.09 11:32:01 by blackshark Reply

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