Hindsight gives new perspective

Written by Mike Rothquel (Fattmann)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks, Tri Nations on 8 Sep 2009 at 09:23
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In the aftermath of the Brisbane test there has been a lot of advice given to the Boks, from drop John Smit, move him to hooker, not a tighthead’s backside to change the wings, bring back Steyn, Odwa has no pace, and of course the inevitable it’s the refs fault. Whilst both Bryce Lawrence and Wayne-I owe the Kiwis one- Barnes made very strange decisions to say the least, were they the cause of the Boks’ downfall?

The Boks won under Lawrence but he did give the scrum a working over, pinning both Beast and Smitty and also the Aussies-he also pinned every front row player in the world, cos unfortunately Bryce hasn’t got a clue, but I digress – and whilst Barnes causes doubt in the mind of the front row, it’s not the reason for the defeat. The use of Ruan instead of Frans at fullback is a horses for courses policy-it worked once-and Frans will be fullback against the AB’s.The conspiracy theories have also started fuelled by “wonderful” writers on website and papers that specialize in this form of journalism. Personally I reckon they wonder too much and write their articles after bad pizza!! Again I digress

So what went wrong? Yes we were flat and we made stupid mistakes-one try off a stupid mistake and we dropped one through wrong option taking and there was another we missed with a knock on. In a game like this these things happen and planned moves that are practiced on the field-like Habana’s second try in Perth-seldom come off in the game and when they do it is great. So what happened? Why did our scrum suddenly implode? And us get beaten?

The answer for me is simple there are 3 reasons

  1. The Aussies were better than us on that day. They beat us to the breakdown by playing 2 fast men to the ball and ran us ragged knowing that the humidity and travel would hamper the Boks in the latter stages
  2. The use of the bench: yes Habana’s injury was at a bad time for us and created a weakness. But the subbing of Bakkies left the scrum exposed. One man can make a difference-even if its only in the head! In every test when Bakkies has gone off the scrum has struggled and Deans spotted this The Aussies used every trick in the book from then onwards and gained ascendancy in the scrums This is an area that PDV needs to brush up on – remember the bench won us the World Cup.
  3. Running from within our own half Yes we nearly scored a try from it but we also let in 2. How different would it have been if Adi had kicked the ball to touch beyond the 22 instead of trying to run it out and then being forced into a Hail Mary pass?

All in all these are little things a tweak here and there and it will be all right on the night. Remember this team is not the finished article but a work in progress that is strong enough to take the Tri-Nations trophy.


  • Whilst both Bryce Lawrence and Wayne-I owe the Kiwis one- Barnes made very strange decisions to say the least, were they the cause of the Boks’ downfall?


    Okay now I will read the rest of the article.

  • Comment 1, posted at 08.09.09 09:31:08 by Morné Reply
  • Plus after the ease with which with we disposed of the men from Oz last week, motivation probably took a bit of a dip. 😉

  • Comment 2, posted at 08.09.09 09:31:59 by McLovin Reply

  • My reasons…

    * We were robbed of momentum by the ref specifically at the maul where he had no f-ing clue.

    * We did not get numbers to the breakdown, the Aussies did and dominated physically.

    * We left two tries on the park in the first half through bad finishing.

    * Our successful game plan so far was disrupted not only because Pienaar played 15, but we lost both JPP (the previous week) and Habs (in the match) and those two are vital for the kick-chase game, not only on attack (when we kick) but also defending (when kicked upon). And time and again when the Aussies kicked on us our guys were out of position.

    We were beaten tactically and physically. Aussies deserved the win.

  • Comment 3, posted at 08.09.09 09:35:23 by Morné Reply
  • Normal service to be resumed his weekend. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 4, posted at 08.09.09 09:37:00 by McLovin Reply

  • Also we had to throw the Aussies a bone. Keep the tournament alive. All part of the entertainment. 😉

  • Comment 5, posted at 08.09.09 09:41:03 by McLovin Reply

  • @McLovin (Comment 4) :

    Correct, don’t know if I mentioned it here but after we beat the Aussies in CPT earlier this year I said I am of the opinion that the Aussies will only get better under Deans, but I cannot see the AB’s improving one iota under Henry.

    They beat the Aussies by very narrow margins this year and do not be surprised if the AB’s still end last in the 3N this year…

  • Comment 6, posted at 08.09.09 09:48:39 by Morné Reply
  • @Morné (Comment 6) : Aus should have beaten NZ at least once so far. They seem to have a bit of a ‘mental block’ against the AB’s.

  • Comment 7, posted at 08.09.09 09:54:03 by McLovin Reply

  • The biggest factor was Fourie Du Preez, he was poor on the day. Happens to everyone.

  • Comment 8, posted at 08.09.09 10:24:41 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 8) :
    IMHO Fourie Du Preez being “poor on the day” had alot to do with:
    1) Poor possession from the scrums & break downs
    2) The pressure he is feeling @ having to dictate the play from the base of the scrum, because his scrum half has’t a clue…he either kicks or throws the ball to the nearest player with out even looking!!

    M.Steyn shopuld have been subbed….Pienaar should have gone to scrum half and F Steyn to full back….and it should have happened a lot earlier ❗

  • Comment 9, posted at 08.09.09 10:45:44 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • @Me2 aka Mama Shark (Comment 9) : Yea i don’t dispute any of that, but the reality his decisio n making was piss poor and it didn’t help.

  • Comment 10, posted at 08.09.09 11:12:46 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Me2 aka Mama Shark (Comment 9) : you confusing scrumhalf and flyhalf, by any chance? 🙂

  • Comment 11, posted at 08.09.09 11:19:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Me2 aka Mama Shark (Comment 9) : just shows you how important fairy is .

    I would swop Ruan with Morne only (meaning Ruan 10 and Morne 15)- any changing or chopping would just send wrong signals.

    and afternoon to everybody

  • Comment 12, posted at 08.09.09 12:06:46 by rekinek Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 11) : 😳 bit of a slip BUT, Mr Funny Boy, we all know that FduP is a scrum half….so I MUST have been referring to the flyhalf 🙄 😛

    @rekinek (Comment 12) : Hi..I think subbing Ruan DID send the wrong signals! To Ruan, anyway.

  • Comment 13, posted at 08.09.09 12:16:47 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • A bit of fatigue and a bad day at the office…most of the guys had a bad day…including the guys who’ve been the key to our success in this TriNations.

    Reading too much from this will just confuse us. Bring on the All Blacks & the TriNations trophy – George Smith has already congratulated us for winning it anyway… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 14, posted at 08.09.09 12:52:38 by blackshark Reply

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  • Since we’re on the topic of drugs.

    Michael Lipman and Alex Crockett have had their appeals against their nine-month bans for missing two drugs tests thrown out at an Rugby Football Union hearing in London.

  • Comment 15, posted at 08.09.09 13:08:40 by McLovin Reply

  • Didn’t get to watch the game, so what I have gathered from here is: Not enough number at the breakdown + running the ball from our own half + bad subbing = PDV hasn’t learnt anything!

  • Comment 16, posted at 08.09.09 13:14:06 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 16) : be thankfull you missed it or you would have torn your hair out

  • Comment 17, posted at 08.09.09 13:22:44 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @Fattmann (Comment 17) : Atleast you got to see the Sharks on 😉 Friday

  • Comment 18, posted at 08.09.09 13:41:49 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • yep good game not!!! dont know where 365 got the idea that chris Jordaan makes the currie cup team of the weak(sic) from Keegan was all over the park JMH still rusty and needs time same with Hardgreaves but it was a good outing and we cant complain with the score line some nice tries scored and craig had a good game also

  • Comment 19, posted at 08.09.09 13:51:15 by Fattmann Reply
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  • Afterthought There is something really wrong with Boland rugby they have completly lost the plot Maybe Chester will make a difference but i dont think so

  • Comment 20, posted at 08.09.09 13:58:48 by Fattmann Reply
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  • The Bok scrum has been weak all season. Only difference is that the Boks dominated in enough other areas to make up for it. The problem has nothing to do with Bakkies, it is in the front row.

    What to do with Ruan Pienaar? He was displaced by a better player at 10 and now he is a complete failure at 15. Not only in Brisbane, he was poor in Perth also. His problem is positional. He does not seem to have a clue where the ball will be kicked so he is almost never there to catch it.

    From the bench he would have been a better option to replace Habana with. Adi Jacobs can run and pass beautifully but he is limited to only that and rugby football requires much more from an outside back.

  • Comment 21, posted at 08.09.09 15:28:27 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @Me2 aka Mama Shark (Comment 13) : he was replaced so late that I do not think it could send wrong signals.

    @fyndraai (Comment 21) : to be honest pienaar on the bench and pienaar at fullback is all the same – invisible.
    if one player is better than the other, send the other to the bench and let him fight to regain the spot.

  • Comment 22, posted at 08.09.09 16:29:13 by rekinek Reply
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  • so where are all the “Pienaar at 15” fans now? I recall saying before the Perth test that it was a bad idea…

  • Comment 23, posted at 08.09.09 16:49:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 23) : in the bushes :mrgreen:

  • Comment 24, posted at 08.09.09 21:31:19 by rekinek Reply
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  • i have a technical question –
    bokke have 17 points and lets assume that they do not get any more, but all blacks loose to aussies so the bokke win tri-nations.
    then – when and where (how?), will the “trophy presentation” take place?

  • Comment 25, posted at 08.09.09 21:34:40 by rekinek Reply
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  • i just don’t get these kid gloves that ruan seems to be treated with…everytime he doesn’t perform or plays [email protected] & calls are heard that he must be dropped one hears statements like “that will send the wrong message to ruan” wtf? Why is this guy being treated like a 6yr old?

    Pdv said he dropped frans cos ruan “needs to play to gain confidence”. The last time i checked, if you get picked for your national team, you should be a self-motivated person!!!!

    Ruan is nowhere @ the moment, he must ride the bench until he can psyche himself up on his own, without the help of “daddy” pdv.

  • Comment 26, posted at 09.09.09 07:15:19 by quota Reply

  • @fyndraai (Comment 21) : “He was displaced by a better player at 10 ” NOT a btter player……just a better goal kicker…or so they claim…one bad day with the boot….ooh well…that’s the way it is with SA rugby fans 😕

  • Comment 27, posted at 09.09.09 14:54:26 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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