Why is Andy Goode a bad idea?

Written by Maria Delport (Letgo)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super 14 on 19 Feb 2010 at 00:14
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I think we should have given Frans Steyn the 10 position right from the start, at first only at Currie Cup level, then when he’s ready at super 14. (Maybe in the Super 14 at 12 just to gain some experience in the midfield, just like Dan Carter did before he moved up to 10) Instead we’ve had two different international buys in that position – Freddie and Hernandez, two guys who does not want that position – Ruan and Bradley, a guy that’s never gonna be good enough in that position, Monty and even Adi a couple of times…oh and also Guy Cronje, who also was never given a fair chance and I don’t think have the class needed at higher levels.

That’s 8 different guys for that position in the last 2 years since Butch left. We have barely started this season and that number has already gone up to a total of 10 with Goode’s signing. Don’t be suprised if the Sharks use 4 different players at flyhalf this year alone. Could Frans Steyn really have been so bad, by now he could actually have been half decent at fly-half if we just gave him a chance to play there. He’s 22 now, we played him at 10 when he was 18 and people went crazy about how talented they believed he was back then. You can’t just drop a player or throw him around like the Sharks did, when clearly he was still developing as a player.

This is why losing the more experienced guys like Butch to Europeen clubs are hurting teams, we don’t have time to give young players a chance to grow under experienced team mates, instead they are expected to be the best even before they started. We can all agree that Steyn had mad potential. So why did we call for his head later on? Because what he had was not managed in the right way by his coaches and the potential we saw in him faded fast. I think he made the right decision to go to a club where he knows he’ll get regular game time in one position. He’s playing 12 for Racing-Metro right now, but I bet soon he’ll be ready to move in to 10…if that is what he and his new club wants. The Sharks could have had a settled, well rounded player at 10 by now. If not Steyn then Ruan or any other young player. Instead they decided to buy players that will leave as with the same problem for the next year.

The Sharks needs to pick a guy, a young South African player, and leave him at flyhalf. I think that’s why people’s routing for Ruan. He’s a young South African player with a lot of potential and we all can see him in that position for the next 10 years or until retirement. Wouldn’t that be great. If the Sharks could have a settled flyhalf. I think that’s one of the biggest things the Sharks need to become the solid team we want them to be.


  • Totally agree with you, that’s why I wrote this http://rugby.sanjaydeva.com/news/sharks-have-lost-the-plot-whilst-bulls-show-their-professionalism

    I also agree Frans Steyn has oodles of talent. If he was managed better, he’d be a superstar in SA rugby. Other than Jake, no one has gotten the best out of him.

  • Comment 1, posted at 19.02.10 01:54:58 by sanjaydeva Reply
  • Sharks have lost the plot completely.

    To many side-shows and distractions here. This team is going to be undercooked again on Saturday.

  • Comment 2, posted at 19.02.10 02:04:22 by fyndraai Reply
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  • don’t worry Sharks fans, Andy will be too Goode for Dan Carter, Stephen Brett, Matt Giteau, Berrick Barnes, Stephen Hobbs, Willie Ripia, Stephen Donald, Peter Grant, Carlos Spencer 😀

  • Comment 3, posted at 19.02.10 05:31:25 by Megatron Reply

  • Signing short term flyhalves is not the answer, get a SA boykie or 2 and stick with them, the Sharks is becoming a circus and I’m getting sick of it. I’ll sommer start rooting for the Valke or Elephants or something 🙁

  • Comment 4, posted at 19.02.10 06:08:02 by Jarson's (X + V) Reply
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  • @Jarson’s (X + V) (Comment 4) : Even the b!tch Meyer was a better option, at least he is South African

  • Comment 5, posted at 19.02.10 06:10:36 by Jarson's (X + V) Reply
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  • Anybody watched Boots & All last night?

    Darren Scott showed the world how Brown-nose screwed up on his last call….even the Chiefs Ass coach was there in studio to see it.

    Nice one Darren 🙂

  • Comment 6, posted at 19.02.10 07:26:24 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • Wasnt Jake the one who selected Frans at 14, 12 AND 15 for the Boks.
    Surely Jake has to take some of the blame for turning Frans into the dreaded ‘utility back’

  • Comment 7, posted at 19.02.10 07:43:43 by wpw Reply
  • At the Sharks Frans was only used at 12 if I’m not mistaken….he always complained that he wanted to play FH, supposedly went to Racing Metro because he would be their first choice FH, but now he’s telling the world why he prefers 12 to all the other positions……boy also needs to make up his mind

  • Comment 8, posted at 19.02.10 07:48:35 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @fyndraai (Comment 2) :

    They better be ready today – cos the Cheetahs will be waiting for them at The Shark-Tank…today… 😆

    Guy Cronje! Guy Cronje!

  • Comment 9, posted at 19.02.10 08:01:50 by blackshark Reply

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  • As far as agreeing that I would rather use a youngster or South African than sign another foreigner you guys must realise the situation now is the sum of all things that happened at the Sharks in arguably the last 4 or 5 years.

  • Comment 10, posted at 19.02.10 08:08:21 by Morné Reply
  • FTL
    The Sharks used at 10,12,13 and 15. 😯

  • Comment 11, posted at 19.02.10 08:13:36 by wpw Reply
  • Should have kept Steyn. This would have been the perfect opportunity to play him at 10 for the whole season. Selling him must have been the biggest mistake the sharks made since they made Putt coach.

    I know he probably went for the money, but talent such as Steyn does not come along very often. There must have been a way to keep him.

    Any chance of them buying him out of his Racing Metro contract?

  • Comment 12, posted at 19.02.10 08:21:35 by PTAShark Reply
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  • Steyn = 15

  • Comment 13, posted at 19.02.10 08:25:11 by McLovin Reply

  • @sanjaydeva (Comment 1) :

    I read you article, and I agree about using local talent and building a team instead of fixing the problem for now, but I don’t agree that the Sharks are out of this Super 14 already.

    We’re a good team with a lot of talented players, a little adversity won’t stop us, in fact it could make us stronger. A player like Ruan should use this opportunity and take up the challenge. If he shows some conviction in playing this important role in the team, I don’t think Plumtree will just leave him hanging.

    You’ll see, we’ll do no worse than top six, if we make the right picks from here and stick with them we could make those semi’s and I think if we get there this year we’ll win it all this time.

  • Comment 14, posted at 19.02.10 08:28:05 by Letgo Reply
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  • I don’t agree.I dreaded every moment Frans Steyn played at 10. I only once saw him play a decent game at 10 and that was the first time I ever saw him play against WP in the rain at Kingspark.He was a different player then….a lot smaller and he moved better but since he put on a lot of bulk and just seemed too slow for 10. His kicks took too long and he is way to slow in making decisions. I still prefer him at 15 but he’s a great 12 as well and he just has a little more time in those positions to make decisions.
    As far as Goode is concerned, he is a good back-up, but I really want Ruan to have an extended run at 10 and I hope this sighning doesn’t means Ruan will again move between 9 and 10 cause that is really gonna piss me off and spoil my S14

  • Comment 15, posted at 19.02.10 08:28:08 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 6) : I wanna see that.

  • Comment 16, posted at 19.02.10 08:29:23 by Letgo Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 6) : What did the Chiefs coach say to that, or didn’t they make him give a reply?

  • Comment 17, posted at 19.02.10 08:32:11 by Letgo Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 7) : No, because when Jake selected him, no one knew where he would be best, because he had not settled in a position yet. Jake tried to find him a place in his team, because he knew he was talented, but the Sharks needed to give him game time in one position so that we all could know where exactly it is he is best. Instead it was always just speculation.

  • Comment 18, posted at 19.02.10 08:34:19 by Letgo Reply
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  • One more thing.

    This is a good move and a bad move.

    Good because the Sharks have little choice at the moment.

    Bad because it could have been avoided by the Sharks in the first place.

  • Comment 19, posted at 19.02.10 08:37:24 by Morné Reply
  • The Vodacom Cup is starting this weekend, right? Hope Sean Everett’s team is atleast stable and without clowns.

  • Comment 20, posted at 19.02.10 08:38:20 by Jarson's (X + V) Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 8) : No actually, there was not one season with the Sharks where Steyntjie was not used in at least 2 positions. There was the promise of him playing only 12 last year, but then Fred got injured and Ruan got injured. And then Ruan came back again.

    I agree last season he had some opportunity to show his potential, but I actually thought he was pretty good at 12 with Ruan until he got moved to 10 and moved back again.

  • Comment 21, posted at 19.02.10 08:39:05 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 18) :

    Brad was a better 12 at the time.

    Butch was a better 10 at the time.

    By trying to find a place for Frans and forcing him into positions ‘just to play him’ effectively did his career more harm than good. And no-one more than the Sharks and Dick was guilty of this.

  • Comment 22, posted at 19.02.10 08:39:36 by Morné Reply
  • @Morné (Comment 10) : I don’t think using a youngster in this situation would be great, but someone should already have been in place to cover for Ruan or Steve Meyer for that matter. The whole thing was a shambles even before it started.
    Now they don’t really have a choice but to bring some experience in.

  • Comment 23, posted at 19.02.10 08:41:28 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 23) :

    Yeah – I agree 100%.

  • Comment 24, posted at 19.02.10 08:43:46 by Morné Reply
  • @Pokkel (Comment 15) : I distinctly remember him replacing Butch at fly-half for a match against the blues in 2007, he had an awesome game. They didn’t use him there the next match. I don’t specifically remember other matches he played at ten, but in 2008 he played at least 3 or 4 matches there and not one of them specifically sucked. Especially since during this season he never played in one position for more than 3 matches in a row.
    He played 10, 12, 13 and 15 in that super 14 only. I think he played 13, 5 or 6 times, but never more than 3 times in a row…like I said.
    How could you expect a player to grow in conditions like that???

  • Comment 25, posted at 19.02.10 08:48:25 by Letgo Reply
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  • Well Andy better be Goode and get us to the semies. Remember, I dont like this one bit.

  • Comment 26, posted at 19.02.10 08:50:17 by Jarson's (X + V) Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 25) : I hear you and the same can be said for Ruan, but to me he just never ‘looked the part’ at 10. He is just not maneuverable enough to be a flyhalf. He is supremely talented but I hate to say that I don’t think he is intelligent enough to be a flyhalf 😯

  • Comment 27, posted at 19.02.10 08:55:32 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 27) : I bet he proves us all wrong.

  • Comment 28, posted at 19.02.10 08:56:39 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 15) :
    @Morné (Comment 19) :
    Very true.

    Considering the situation we are in NOW this is a very good move and will give some depth in a crucial position on a tough away leg of the competition.

  • Comment 29, posted at 19.02.10 09:00:43 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 28) : I really hope he does and I’ll eat all my socks…. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 30, posted at 19.02.10 09:03:07 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Seriously delusional buy, i know grannies with more flair

  • Comment 31, posted at 19.02.10 09:04:53 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • well i really want some silver and dont want to wait until our south african boytjie is settled maybe in 2 or 3 years, andy will be just fine for me!

  • Comment 32, posted at 19.02.10 09:06:59 by willa Reply

  • @Letgo (Comment 17) : Chiefs ass. coach did the typical kiwi toungue stutter….wasn’t sure what to say, and then he just said something about why we have refs on the field, to make those decisions (something like that).

    He was however very uncomfortable…. 😆

  • Comment 33, posted at 19.02.10 09:11:34 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • I’d love to hear Rob’s view of Frans… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 34, posted at 19.02.10 09:11:44 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 11) : @Letgo (Comment 21) : Seems I got stuck when I saw him at 12, still prefer him at 12, but he impressed at 15 for the Boks….please never again at 10, my nerves won’t make it.

    I saw that he apparantly now prefers playing at 12….

  • Comment 35, posted at 19.02.10 09:16:03 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @willa (Comment 32) : Yeah, well, if this is what it takes to win the cup I’m all for it, but if we suck this season this is also what it will be blamed on….my friend Straeuli and Plum’s lack of vision.

  • Comment 36, posted at 19.02.10 09:19:03 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 35) : Not even in the currie cup?? 😉
    I like him at 12 too… And I really liked how he and Ruan combined at 10/12, to bad that combination was broken early on by injuries. That could have become one potent combination.

  • Comment 37, posted at 19.02.10 09:21:34 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 37) : Yeah, Ruan does make a huge difference to his inside centre, even Dries looked better at inside centre when Ruan came on, we might also be in for the best of Adi again with Ruan directing the traffic.

    Got to say I’m realy psyched for tonights game, realy think we’re gonna see an overhauled Sharks team. Canst not wait.

  • Comment 38, posted at 19.02.10 09:26:35 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @PTAShark (Comment 12) : Agree 100%. Sharks should have done all they could to have kept Fransie at the Sharks. How we lost him was plain daft. Such a huge talent.

    Not if he is FH but he is a brilliant inside centre and what I would do to have him there this season.

    Not too sure about us buying more players from overseas. Should be looking at youngsters here.

  • Comment 39, posted at 19.02.10 09:28:12 by Puma Reply

  • I think Steyn sould play at 15 for the Boks. He had a very good season last year and has more time to make decisions.
    We also have JDV, WO and Adi who can all play 12 for the Boks whereas we dont have that much depth at fullback.

  • Comment 40, posted at 19.02.10 09:29:42 by wpw Reply
  • @Letgo (Comment 37) : can I answer that???? Not even at CC IMHO

  • Comment 41, posted at 19.02.10 09:31:18 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 40) : Oh no, who plays at full back this year?!?

    Pearl Rose, PdV’s love child…guess who’s being prepared for wc 2011 glory…. 🙁

  • Comment 42, posted at 19.02.10 09:33:52 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @Letgo (Comment 14) : I’d like to be optimistic, but I think the Sharks may even hit rock bottom this season. I think you’ll see a new coach by the end of the year.

    Keep up the great writing though! Are you on facebook or twitter?

  • Comment 43, posted at 19.02.10 09:34:00 by sanjaydeva Reply

  • @Pokkel (Comment 41) : Only at voda cup level 😉 …..Ruan is the man for FH

  • Comment 44, posted at 19.02.10 09:35:07 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 44) : Yebo 😎

  • Comment 45, posted at 19.02.10 09:36:34 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @sanjaydeva (Comment 43) : Won’t be that bad, even if the coaching staff screws up, players start to turn against the coaches and takes matters into their own hands, with Smit there I can’t see things unravelling.

    After tonight however we’ll have a good idea where we stand, if we lose tonight then you’re probably onto something.

  • Comment 46, posted at 19.02.10 09:42:20 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @sanjaydeva (Comment 43) :
    I prefer being a little more optimistic and then falling really far and hard when I get disappointed. That way I can be even more optimistic the next time, since I’m used to the fall. 🙂

    I’ll have a little more time this year to publish some of my thoughts here on Sharksworld, I’m going back home to Durban and have a good 8-5 job at my Dad’s company. Last year I was stuck here in rugbyless America taking care of kids 10 to 12 hours a day. I’m on facebook? Why? My name’s Maria Delport…

  • Comment 47, posted at 19.02.10 09:46:53 by Letgo Reply
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  • i see we are all very excited.

  • Comment 48, posted at 19.02.10 10:00:24 by rekinek Reply
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  • Sorry, this is off topic, but jeez what a twat Bryce Laurence is! He gave the Blues warning after warning for repeated infringements in the first half and yellow cards the Highlanders after their first few discretions defending under pressure on their line in the second.

  • Comment 49, posted at 19.02.10 10:02:01 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 48) : It’s the nerves getting to us, same as last weekend, we not sure what the Sharks will do tonight….very nrevous

  • Comment 50, posted at 19.02.10 10:02:36 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @rhineshark (Comment 49) : Never had much time for that fool.

  • Comment 51, posted at 19.02.10 10:03:52 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 50) : i have been thinking what is best if the sharks play friday/ sat morning or on sat night.

    first : nervousness is over quickly but you may have all weekend spoilt & gloomy

    second: you are nervous for the weeked 😆

  • Comment 52, posted at 19.02.10 10:07:10 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 47) : my name is earl :mrgreen:

    sorry 😳 couldn’t help 😉

  • Comment 53, posted at 19.02.10 10:08:13 by rekinek Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 51) : Same here, but it seems to be a New Zealand ref trait. And that should have read “indiscretions”.

  • Comment 54, posted at 19.02.10 10:08:46 by rhineshark Reply
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  • Sharks game starts in just under 9h…At least I can sleep for 7 of those nine…it’s night time here in the US, so I won’t have that much time to stress.

  • Comment 55, posted at 19.02.10 10:17:39 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 55) : if you can sleep 😈 😉

  • Comment 56, posted at 19.02.10 10:20:47 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 52) : So either way we’re on the losing end 🙁

  • Comment 57, posted at 19.02.10 10:22:32 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @Letgo (Comment 55) : Damnit, my stomach just turned when I saw your 9hr comment…getting soooo nervous now.

  • Comment 58, posted at 19.02.10 10:23:51 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • Letgo, you tend to forget one minor issue why the Sharks didn’t keep Frans, filthy lucre, like R30 million.

  • Comment 59, posted at 19.02.10 10:41:13 by Baldrick Reply

  • Why is everyone complaining????? We now have a flyhalf with international experience, it would have been a lot worse without him!!!.
    We have a great player on lone in Wilhelm and OUR DEPTH IS LOOKING GOOD FOR A CHANGE!.

    Enjoy the game everyone!!! GO THE SHARKS!!!!!

  • Comment 60, posted at 19.02.10 11:04:11 by The Shark Reply

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  • @Pokkel – I agree, and its not that Frans is not an intelligient player IMO its just that he see spaces for himself rather than others around him! He is a gamebreaker, not a playmaker…
    Also, I’m pretty sure he had an extended run of 5 games in the 2008 /2009 Super 14 and was abyssmal so they pulled the plug. You need a playmaker at 10 which is what Butch is. Ruan is a bit of both…but lacks the temperament. I for one, am not enthused by the signing of Goode at all – his game is very much suited to NH conditions, massive boot but the only time I’ve seen him get a backline away was with a very good 12 outside him. His game would have been great for us last year but not now, not with the new emphasis on attack.

  • Comment 61, posted at 19.02.10 11:13:12 by neilster Reply

  • This seems to be a panic buy! Plum has lost the plot… Anyone recall the Putty era when they had to print a full page spread in the paper when he wasted all the Sharks cash on no-name players like Callie Wannenburg, Jacques Lombard, Jaco Gouws, Skipper Badenhorst, etc. Not to mention the injury-prone Dean Hall & over-rated Gobani Bobo. Out of the entire batch only Bismarck Du Plessis, Ruan Pienaar & Jacques Botes have been good investments.

  • Comment 62, posted at 19.02.10 11:20:42 by Gazman Reply

  • BTW Gaffie is playing for the SWD Eagles, why didn’t we just draft him? 😆

  • Comment 63, posted at 19.02.10 11:27:48 by Gazman Reply

  • @The Shark (Comment 60) : we’re all for local is lekker 😆

  • Comment 64, posted at 19.02.10 11:30:41 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Gazman (Comment 62) : Jacques Schutte, not Lombard, but point taken 🙂

    @neilster (Comment 61) : welcome to the site!

  • Comment 65, posted at 19.02.10 11:31:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Gazman (Comment 63) : Bite your tongue!

  • Comment 66, posted at 19.02.10 11:32:29 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 65) : Thanks Rob, great job on the site.

  • Comment 67, posted at 19.02.10 11:35:29 by neilster Reply

  • @robdylan(Comment 65): You are correct… His performances were just as forgetable as his name!

  • Comment 68, posted at 19.02.10 11:37:50 by Gazman Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 66) : Sorry, I couldn’t resist

  • Comment 69, posted at 19.02.10 11:38:57 by Gazman Reply

  • @Gazman (Comment 68) : I hope I’m wrong but I suspect it will be a case of Goode Riddance! haha

  • Comment 70, posted at 19.02.10 11:50:56 by neilster Reply

  • @Letgo (Comment 47) : Yes I know what it’s like to fall really far! It’s takes me a week or more to overcome a loss, thankfully the Bulls rarely lose!

    I Wish you all the best this season!

  • Comment 71, posted at 19.02.10 12:03:46 by sanjaydeva Reply

  • @neilster (Comment 70) : BWAH 🙂

    Going to be some competition for Jannie in the pie-eating contest, at last!

  • Comment 72, posted at 19.02.10 12:13:05 by robdylan Reply
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