No Canes job for Plumtree

Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super 14 on 27 Feb 2010 at 15:56
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Former All-Black hooker Mark Hammett, currently Crusaders assistant coach, has been appointed head coach of the Hurricanes starting from 2011. Sharks boss John Plumtree was widely rumoured to have his hopes set on the position.

Whatever Plumtree decides to do after this year’s Super 14, he won’t be getting a Super rugby job in Wellington, that’s for sure. Although both the coach and Sharks CEO Brian van Zyl have repeatedly rubbished reports that the former has his heart set on a move back to his homeland, persistent rumours from within Durban would suggest that Plumtree has already closed the door on his career with the Sharks and is really just going through the motions at the moment.

Certainly, the team’s current run of form (no wins from three starts) is doing nothing to help his cause and I would go so far as to say that should the Sharks not show a dramatic turnaround in their fortunes in the next few weeks, Plumtree’s position in Durban will become completely untenable. The Canes job looked to be his way out of this mess but right now, I’m not seeing any easy exit for the former nightclub bouncer. My gut feeling is that Plum will walk at the end of the Super 14 – if he doesn’t get fired first – but now it’s anybody’s guess where he will go when that does happen.

A return to New Zealand seems certain. I’m just not sure what sort of coaching job he’ll find there.


  • It’s interesting that the knee-jerk reaction might be to fire Plumtree, but I have to ask what about the ridiculous ensemble of so-called backline experts and assistant coaches? Where have they added any value? I’ve yet to see our backline attack…

  • Comment 1, posted at 27.02.10 16:14:50 by CapeShark Reply
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  • This ain’t gonna go down well with some people but what is Cooper doing next year?

    We might be in the market for a coach.

  • Comment 2, posted at 27.02.10 16:23:15 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Former All Blacks midfielder Alama Ieremia is set to team up with Mark Hammett in an assistant coach’s role at the Hurricanes.

    The hatches were battened down yesterday in the wake of revelations that Hammett is set to be appointed as the Hurricanes head coach, but The Dominion Post can reveal that Ieremia was approached in recent weeks by the former Canterbury hooker.

    It is understood Ieremia will take the backs next season in a more senior coaching role to the one he currently has with the side under Colin Cooper.

    Hammett’s choice of assistant is an astute first move with Ieremia popular with the current crop of players and also a local figurehead having played for Wellington and the Hurricanes for most of his career.

  • Comment 3, posted at 27.02.10 16:30:27 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 2) : I remember the Bulls stuck by Frans Ludeke in his first Super 14 year and the Bulls were terrible that year (2008). What the Sharks management have to decide is if Plum has the good to salvage this team or if in the case of year 2000 (Reece-Edwards) is a complete shambles and they have to nuke the coaching staff and start over. It’s a tough decision… Personally, i think Sharks HQ are a quite an intolerant lot…

  • Comment 4, posted at 27.02.10 16:31:59 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @CapeShark (Comment 4) : Agree with you. Really don’t think this is all Plums fault. We need a better backline coach too. We done well with Campo there. I know he was arrogant but our backline was good while he was there.

    Also why did they not sign JF when he approaced the Sharks? Also heard that Butchie before he left wanted a 2 year extention on his contract but they refused? So we lost Butchie to Bath and never got JF either. We lost Frans Steyn too. Don’t think any of that is Plums fault. Something is not right at the Sharks.

    Easy just to blame the Coach when things go wrong.

    Remember too the Oz coach RM losing 62/21 to the Boks but the Aussies stuck with him and he won them the 1999 world cup.

    Think we should stick with Plum get a proper backline coach. Also we lost Balie Swart he used to be our scrum coach.

  • Comment 5, posted at 27.02.10 16:51:51 by Puma Reply

  • @Puma (Comment 5) : typo meant approached

  • Comment 6, posted at 27.02.10 16:53:41 by Puma Reply

  • We also lost Barritt. Why did all these players leave?

  • Comment 7, posted at 27.02.10 16:54:50 by Puma Reply

  • I wouldnt give Plumtree a job either 👿

  • Comment 8, posted at 27.02.10 17:17:42 by Jarson's (X + V) Reply
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  • first things first john smit is not a prop that is where our problem starts,we get ball on the backfoot.i agree with the people first find a backline coach i said it last week and will say this again.the sharks must also pick players who want to play this team does not look happy and is not playing for each other.itis not the problem of losing that is worring the fans it is the way we are losing witch sucks,this is not right and where are all the youngstres that should come though the acadamy.get abackline coach that can teach our players to handel the ball

  • Comment 9, posted at 27.02.10 21:39:50 by koellie Reply

  • Never mind his canes job,boet
    how come he is still working for the Sharks?
    I can’t exactly see what he has coached
    by the teams performance
    but i see a shitload of stuff that hasn’t been coached.
    sack the bastard
    and sign mallet,
    before england does

  • Comment 10, posted at 27.02.10 22:31:56 by Duiwel Reply

  • don`t like the way admin seem to be distancing themselves of all blame in this fiasco that is sharks 2010 s14 campaign 😡 .but all is still not lost .. we can still turn this around .. 6 games in sa ..and beating bulls @loftus and stormers @ shark tank will go a long way in making sharks fans walk tall and proud .. 6 from 6 in sa is possible,and they can win 2 on tour..and there still is the cc ,so lets not lose focus ..but we came up short in certain (all ❓ )coaching departments ,so that need to be rectified urgently..anyway,how much to get naas involved @ the shark tank ?heard jake white`s name mentioned on sharksworld ..

  • Comment 11, posted at 27.02.10 22:35:50 by bergshark Reply

  • will be interesting to see how sharks xv do .. just wish sharks website would give more info on all players contracted to the sharks .. and coaches also ..with their cv`s included 😛

  • Comment 12, posted at 27.02.10 22:39:15 by bergshark Reply

  • Can’t really figure out
    whih hurts me more
    watching this all time planet pk
    or the sharks S14 campaign

  • Comment 13, posted at 27.02.10 22:59:56 by Duiwel Reply

  • The coaching team needs to be sacked asap.

    Plumtree was good as an assistant. He’s overseen the side gradually decline as head coach. Achieved a Currie Cup win just after Muir left, the more Muir’s influence has faded, the worse it has got.

    When last did this team ‘click’? 2008? When last did our backline function and score some points as well as defend? 2008 or 2007?
    My criticism of Plumtree is three fold:

    1. The selections he makes, like the game plan, is achingly conservative. My beef is not so much with the game plan, which although has come up short this season has done the bizzo before. It’s more, like the selections, there is no innovation or endeavour.

    Why do we only see Zuks, Mvovo, Lambie, Cronje bros, in meaningless games and once never in the Currie Cup? Instead we get Dumond, Strauss, Goode (AKA Foode) & co, now I’m not one of the ones that hates these guys. They play with more heart and desire for the team than some lately. But to me, they also reek of low risk and conservative. They don’t make many errors because they don’t try/do much. The closest we have to a ‘rookie’ in the backline, that actually gets picked, is Waylon Murray!

    You need experience and maturity, but you also need balance. Stefan, JP, Adi and Swanepoel (who seems provincial level and not much else to me), should be enough for this. Surely we can fit some young talents in around this? Rather than somehow conspiring to pick the worst backline combination possible each week?

    2. He has shown himself to be a poor manager, this is part of the role of a modern coach. When Peter de Villiers got the Bok job, he picked his friends Dick Muir and Gary Gold as assistant coaches – this proved to be a master stroke. Both added considerably to the coaching team.

    Jake White picked Gert Smal and Allister Coetzee. Again, one has built the current Irish pack into a formidable unit. The other has coached WP at Currie Cup and super 14 level reasonably well.
    Even our former coach, Dick Muir – Plumtree as forwards coach, Campo for a few seasons with the backs, both friends of his. Inspired appointments.

    Some of these coaches picked so well, it was the assistants that were credited with their success!

    Who has Plumtree hired?
    Chris Boyd a friend from NZ and Grant Bashford. Chris Boyd, has been kak, I can’t see anything he’s contributed in the last 2 seasons. Our best backline player is currently Kankow.
    Bashford? Well you would expect Plumtree to be doing the most with the forwards. But lets look anyway.

    Our scrum has gone from being the most dominant in the SH probably, that was the situation in 2007/2008. To the worst.

    Our lineout was always weak/average, and a primary reason for the loss of the 2007 final – we couldn’t secure ball (any ball) from the lineout in the Bulls 22 and the rolling maul from the lineout was our main weapon.
    Despairingly, nothing has changed there. Still no lineout lock.

    At the breakdown, we’ve gone from a very clever team in 2007/2008. Able to put very few numbers into rucks (whilst also have the lightest pack in the comp). To a dumb side, playing dumb rugby and leaking many penalties needlessly.

    The second part of his poor management is the players. I’ll look at one specific case. Rory Kockott came to prominence at 9 in the 2008 season, Muir’s last. Largely because Peter dV, Muir’s boet, wanted to see what Ruan could do at 10. Fair enough.

    But Plumtree was the one that then decided Kockott should be the main place kicker. That the investment should be made in him in this role, not Frans or Ruan. It was him that then decided, after 2 seasons of playing Kockott at 9. That suddenly he was limited and all he could do was crash ball up channel 1, fight, kick a bit. It was him that mucked Ruan around over two seasons, finally deciding an over the hill useless fat pommy never was, is better.

    This is awful. Foode wont be here next season and both Kockott and Ruan have been mucked around and alienated.

    Repeat for the frontrow – we have Smit and Deon, who wont even be here after 2011. If BJ comes back to us (which I doubt, the Stompies will poach him), again he is gone after 2011. The succession plan and squad arrangement for the duP bros, should have been obvious. Instead, every frontrow player I’ve mentioned, is unlikely to be with us after 2011, some sooner.

    3. The poor team environment that has been created. This is Plumtree’s team now, no one elses. I wont take criticism of Straeuli or whoever else. This side is terminally bereft of new ideas, energy and drive. There is nothing, not even a dogged will to keep fighting.

    This is the most disappointing thing. It actually saddens me. 2007 has not be built on, Plumtree has squandered what Muir put in place. We are almost back in 2005.

    You can see it with the players – they don’t smile when they play. Not many last season were either. Some want to leave now or whatever, others like BJ may not come back to us. Against the Cheetahs half of them looked like they didn’t want to be there.

    This is simply terrible and reflects what the coach himself has invested in this team. Which is something close to rugby nihilism – a combination of a conservative outlook and a distrust of his own players.

    You are all far to kind to Plumtree. This isn’t the Springboks where every idiot in the media and politics is sticking their nose in trying to control things.

    This is the little old Sharks in Durban. Where a certain Mr.Plumtree is solely to blame for the current situation. All those above him did was invest in a competent assistant coach and give him any assistance he asked for. Sadly, the investment in him proved gravely misplaced.

    This is turning out all to similar to the 2005 Kevin Putt season. A crying shame, as we have the squad – just look at the players! People said this would happen pre-season, I did not believe them, look at the squad I said! How wrong was I.

    Sack Plumtree asap, replace him with someone that actually believes in our team, city and wants to be there.

    I would boot him straight after the tour – it would take winning 3 or 4 to change my mind. I actually fear he’ll limp on and leave us less well placed for next season. This season is gone already.

  • Comment 14, posted at 28.02.10 03:37:36 by Os Reply

  • gee that is a very long comment but still say bring back jake white we did good when he was coaching 🙂

  • Comment 15, posted at 28.02.10 05:40:49 by Charmaine Reply

  • @Charmaine (Comment 15) : True.

    Plumtree out!

    Says it all just as well.

    Before anyone asks who I would replace the coaching team with. It’s 1) people that actually want to coach the team 2) people that want to live in Durban for years 3) people who don’t only have money as a motivation and no job elsewhere 4) have been reasonably successful with us before, or at least an SA side.

    So we have – Sean Everitt and Straeuli. With an outside chance of Jake White.

    Straeuli gets my vote for the ambulance job in a few weeks. We need someone the senior players fear, that wont be held to these results further down the road. They’ve had carrot, time for some stick. Need to remove the players that don’t want to be in Durban (why are they even there? why are we paying them?).

    Mallett gets the job over my dead body.

  • Comment 16, posted at 28.02.10 05:55:58 by Os Reply

  • @Os (Comment 16) : i been saying this along get ride of the players that don’t love the coast, old guys and most of all these players from overseas get us some young blood that still wants to play and prove themselves, Sean and Straeuli yes but my first pick for head coach is white he did some good coaching before he went to the boks so i don’t know all i do know is we can’t carry on this this got cc and nearly got finals s 14 and now we rock bottem something very wrong and has to be delt with some say Smit is to old but who knows can’t be blaming everyone but we need wins tied of every bull i know aag the sharks just no good that is not very nice to hear your team been rub in mud shit or what ever you want call it 😥 ➡ 🙂 😉

  • Comment 17, posted at 28.02.10 06:12:15 by Charmaine Reply

  • @Os (Comment 16) : what happened to the twins they help with the cc last year the looked hungry enough play them in the cc so they can peek for s 14 if those milky sharks don’t get chance to play in cc for s 14 later how are they going to get to play at all look what Steyn and Russels did and they were also 19 or so young milky sharks and they played very well even went to play for SA so still say bring young blood 🙂

  • Comment 18, posted at 28.02.10 06:16:41 by Charmaine Reply

  • One is injured for the season, one is riding the pine in the Vodacom side.

    It would actually be interesting to see a match between a Plumtree coached “1st XV” and a “leftovers XV”. I give it to the “1st XV” by a couple of scores divisible by 3. We have the worst attack in the Super 14 by some distance, only scored 44 points, 1 try in 3 matches. Defence is average, conceded 6 tries and 79 points, who knows how bad that will get. This is terrible. Worst team in the Super 14. With the squad we have!

    Amazed there is anyone still backing Plumtree. There is no way back from this for him.

  • Comment 19, posted at 28.02.10 06:28:31 by Os Reply

  • @Os (Comment 19) : agree there time for him just to pack and leave 🙂 😉

  • Comment 20, posted at 28.02.10 07:42:10 by Charmaine Reply

  • @Os (Comment 14) : @Charmaine (Comment 17) : who are the players that want to leave the sharks ? and what are the reasons? money? disillusionment?and if it is the latter ,with who?

  • Comment 21, posted at 28.02.10 09:36:35 by bergshark Reply

  • @bergshark (Comment 21) i was commenting about os comment.((people that actually want to coach the team 2) people that want to live in Durban for years 3) people who don’t only have money as a motivation and no job elsewhere 4) have been reasonably successful with us before, or at least an SA side.)) was not talking about one or two players talking in general and (comment 20) i was talking about plumtree 😉

  • Comment 22, posted at 28.02.10 10:03:34 by Charmaine Reply

  • @bergshark (Comment 21) : do you know of any players that want to leave the sharks hope its not one of our best guys 🙁

  • Comment 23, posted at 28.02.10 10:06:56 by Charmaine Reply

  • @Charmaine (Comment 23) : no,only read rumours on sharksworld ..perhaps robdylan can give us some more inside info .. would hate to see this team split apart..but some commentators on this site are writing that htat is exactly what has happened already.. 😥 ..where is the cameraderie ,the esprit de corps ..the” we-are-all-part-of-the-sharks-family “ethos…?still,some guys seem to wanna play hindsight,to be honest,that ref-keith brown-stuffed us up.if the guys had won that game,imagine the positive effect on the whole squad..

  • Comment 24, posted at 28.02.10 10:32:01 by bergshark Reply

  • AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH There it is!!!!!!!!! 😀

  • Comment 25, posted at 28.02.10 18:48:50 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Guys dont you think this is over reacting Just to point out last year chiefs lost the first 3 and made the semi’s crusaders are very bad starters i remember they lost the first 4 and then won the competition Bulls didnt set the world alight the first time they won the competition To quote Naas the currie cup is not one in may and this competition is not won in feburary!! How does Plum go from being the great coach who won the currie cup in 2008 took us to the semi’s last year and to 5th place in the S14 last year-it was one try that kept us out of the semis-to being a K*K coach this year. I think you guys need to get over the conspiracy theories and stop throwing stones on “facts” that are rubbish. The sharks are one step from clicking and they will be there at the end of the competition. at that point will you guys/gals have the guts to appologise to Plum or will you still be calling for his head

  • Comment 26, posted at 28.02.10 19:14:36 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @Fattmann (Comment 26) : remember this also we have played Chiefs and Saders and will play the bulls as they return from Aussie We play the Tahs this week the the Brumbies-who didnt look great beating an out of sorts Stormers then the Highlanders and the canes so out of those 4 we realisticaly can win 3 and pick up 2 bonus points and we will be ok

  • Comment 27, posted at 28.02.10 19:21:58 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @Fattmann (Comment 26) :

    @Fattmann (Comment 27) :

    All you have to do is look at where were at this stage of the season since 2000 and then you will see why we are so desperate.

  • Comment 28, posted at 28.02.10 19:26:00 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Results after Rnd 3 since 2000.

    2000 – 0/3 ended 12th
    2001 – 3/3 ended 2nd
    2002 – 0/3 ended 10th
    2003 – 1/3 ended 11th
    2004 – 1/3 ended 7th
    2005 – 0/3 ended 12th
    2006 – 1/3 ended 5th
    2007 – 3/3 ended 1st
    2008 – 3/3 ended 3rd
    2009 – 3/3 ended 6th

    0/3 3 times in our history and we ended no higher than 10th.
    1/3 3 times in our history and we ended no higher than 5th

  • Comment 29, posted at 28.02.10 19:27:19 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 29) : better than last but gee turn the log upside down and then you c we are 2nd aaahhhh

  • Comment 30, posted at 28.02.10 19:39:01 by Charmaine Reply

  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 28) : Accepted history doenst look good but the game is played on the field and i have the feeling that next week will be the turning point

  • Comment 31, posted at 28.02.10 19:58:55 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @Fattmann (Comment 31) :

    We play the Waratahs next week………………. Did you see them play yesterday?????????

    I felt the same way and then I saw them play yesterday. Now i am pinning my hopes on the Highlanders game.

  • Comment 32, posted at 28.02.10 20:03:26 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Fattmann (Comment 27) :
    Did the Sharks ‘look good’ last year, fatman? Really?

    I think we’ve seen the side gradually decline since Dick Muir left. Yes Plumtree won the Currie Cup in 2008, a few months after Dick moved on. But now? Have we got better or worse under him?

    And I wont accept people hiding behind Straeuli or whoever. Who coaches this side? Who has selected the assistant coaches and players? Plumtree.

    It’s not so much the results that have worried me, although they are awful. It’s the fact and it is a fact, that along with the Force we look like the WORST side in the comp. 44 points scored, 1 try. That is terrible. 1 try in 240 minutes of rugby boet. Your talking about winning 3 matches on tour and bonus points? They’re going to be doing well to win anything!

    The loss to the Saders can’t be written off as “it was the Saders”. Previous to that loss, this Sharks team which has been in place since 2006 now, had the best record of any team (Aussie/Kiwi/SA) against Kiwi teams. Over 2006/2007/2008/2009, they had lost just 5 times to Kiwi teams, never by more than 8 points. If they had beaten the Chiefs in round 1, they would have beaten Kiwi sides more times than losing since 1996. I think only the Brumbies/Saders/Blues can say that. For me it is no excuse saying “they are kiwis so losing is okay”, we had them under the gun 4 seasons running.

    Despite what people say. I do not rate this current Cheetahs side, they imo have not played well so far. The Sharks were unfortunate with Kaplan having a rumbly tummy. But still somehow we found a way to lose there also, a game they should never have lost.

    I don’t think the team are “one step away from clicking”. The last two matches are some of the worst I’ve seen from a Sharks team (been watching since late 80s/early 90s). There was zero heart. Half of them looked disinterested, especially in the Cheetahs match.

    I want Plumtree out asap. He wont be at the Sharks next season anyway. This season is finished already. You need about 40 points to make the play offs/8 wins, this side look a million miles from that. A few wins, would only keep him in a job and prolong the pain. Should build for the next one. After the coach is gone, the first step is removal of any players that don’t want to be at the Sharks next season.

  • Comment 33, posted at 28.02.10 20:35:54 by Os Reply

  • ha the sharks executives are a bunch of idiots ,The coaches can,t keep being blamed if the same thing keeps happening ,fire brian van zyl and the whole board their clearly useless.That being said plumtree is going to be the scapegoat after this super 14 and then the question is who are these idiots going to get ,bring in heyneke meyer as the director of rugby and force him to play running rugby .

  • Comment 34, posted at 01.03.10 00:37:26 by zvision10 Reply

  • @Os (Comment 14) : this stuff is good. You should be writing articles for us 🙂

  • Comment 35, posted at 01.03.10 00:44:02 by robdylan Reply
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  • we need a structures builder like eddie jones at the brumbies or wayne smith at the crusaders or heyneke meyer at the bulls and leave that coach there for a while ,I don,t think thats john pumtree though he doesn,t seem like a visionary ,I don,t advocate chopping and changing coaches but only thing john p,s done is win the currie cup and naka drokste,s also done that but sucked in the super 14.

  • Comment 36, posted at 01.03.10 00:47:37 by zvision10 Reply

  • @Os (Comment 14) : Good read!

    Anyone else read in the papers Straeuli is rumoured to take over from Plum?

    I don`t like this. Staaldraad and Plum must both take a hike. We need a real coach who the players respect. JAKE WORLD CUP WINNING WHITE!!!!

  • Comment 37, posted at 01.03.10 08:03:40 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 37) :

    I heard Chester is available and really keen on the Sharks job!!! :mrgreen: 😈

  • Comment 38, posted at 01.03.10 08:19:41 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 38) : And Jerome Paarwater as forwards coach :mrgreen:

  • Comment 39, posted at 01.03.10 08:24:01 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 35) :morning 🙂 agree there and nice and long comments to and sound to me knows what he is talking about where i still have to learn 😳 🙂

  • Comment 40, posted at 01.03.10 08:27:07 by Charmaine Reply

  • @Original Pierre (Comment 37) : that is what i was saying bring jake white back and and leave the rest to do milky sharks 🙂

  • Comment 41, posted at 01.03.10 08:29:00 by Charmaine Reply

  • @wpw (Comment 38) : oh no chester is just no good did he not coach the lions for sometime 🙁

  • Comment 42, posted at 01.03.10 08:29:58 by Charmaine Reply

  • @Charmaine (Comment 42) : Right now I`m thinking my GF would do a better job than Plum 🙄

  • Comment 43, posted at 01.03.10 08:36:10 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 43) : 🙂 :mrgreen:

  • Comment 44, posted at 01.03.10 08:37:44 by Charmaine Reply

  • For one thing, she`ll start Lambie and get Marky Mark Lawrence to work very closely with her .. er the players.

  • Comment 45, posted at 01.03.10 08:49:10 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 39) :

    Jerome is not bad at all… 🙄

  • Comment 46, posted at 01.03.10 08:53:37 by wpw Reply
  • @Charmaine (Comment 42) :

    He coached the Cats at one stage, yes!! LOL

    I know man, he is not a coach’s arse!!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 47, posted at 01.03.10 08:54:59 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 38) :
    Chessie was keen on the Sharks job, but then saw a need closer to home, its believed he is willing to help out with the WP Vodacom cup team.

  • Comment 48, posted at 01.03.10 09:22:40 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Os (Comment 14) :
    2 weeks ago I would have questioned your post, Im far less inclined to now.

  • Comment 49, posted at 01.03.10 09:31:45 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 32) : Sorry for the late reply yep saw them play and that compounded my feeling that we will beat them. They will be stufed and sore when then get back to Sydney today 2 days rest then training they wont be able to come to the party-this could well be the commentators curse!!!!!!!

  • Comment 50, posted at 01.03.10 09:42:11 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @Os (Comment 33) : to get where they were last year to refesh memory they returned from the overseas leg top of the log and imploded and the talk from those in the know is that we peaked too early
    We have a good record against the kiwi’s and even though Brown handed the Chiefs the victory-even their coach admits to this-to lose by 1 point is not a shame. the Saders game turned when rory took that tap instead of taking the 3 The intercept try would not have happened if he had kicked the penalty

  • Comment 51, posted at 01.03.10 09:48:18 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @Fattmann (Comment 50) : we’ve only beaten them once in Sydney since this thing started. I wouldn’t put money on the Sharks for this one… not even a tenner at 100 to 1.

  • Comment 52, posted at 01.03.10 09:58:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 52) : esp not after the bulls game, they looked really hungry for tries

  • Comment 53, posted at 01.03.10 10:02:44 by willa Reply


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