Plum issues discipline ultimatum

Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super 14 on 9 Mar 2010 at 14:14
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John Plumtree, according to at least two separate news reports, has laid down a very clear ultimatum to his team – no more yellow cards will be tolerated.

Apart from a number of dodgy refereeing decision that have gone against the team in recent weeks, discipline has been the single biggest factor working against the Sharks in the first four rounds. With 5 yellow cards shown so far this season (2 to Andy Goode, and one each to John Smit and each of the Du Plessis brothers) the Sharks hardly know what it’s like to play with 15 on the field this year.

In particular, last weekend’s match to the Tahs was probably lost when the Sharks had both Jannie du Plessis and Goode carded within minutes of each other. Although no points were conceded while reduced to 13, the knock-on effect – particularly in terms of the referee’s attitude towards the team from that point on – cannot be discounted.

Plumtree has understandably had enough and has made it clear that the next player to be shown a yellow card will receive a “red card from the coach”. Although we’re not exactly sure what this means in practice, I guess we can expect to see Plumtree dropping players who repeatedly infringe. The major problem with this approach is that his two most prominent infringers, Goode and Jannie du Plessis, happen to play positions for which there is little suitable cover in the squad.

Certainly du Plessis needs to be stood down to get his attitude in check as his infringement was nothing other than cynical and completely intentional. Plumtree should start with the right message right now and give the doctor a week off.


  • Send him home and forget about him….I think Jannie is my lest like Sharks player of all time

  • Comment 1, posted at 09.03.10 14:16:53 by Tintin Reply
  • @Tintin (Comment 1) : sorry – I still haven’t forgotten Kees Lensing and Ryan Walker

  • Comment 2, posted at 09.03.10 14:21:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • or Robert du Preez eeeek!!

  • Comment 3, posted at 09.03.10 14:23:06 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • Like I said, forget the refereeing decisions, the Sharks are still their own worst enemy and this call by Plum could not come sooner.

  • Comment 4, posted at 09.03.10 14:27:22 by MornΓ© Reply
  • well plum. your biggest problem is your fullback. he kicks your possession away. the forwards then have to desperately defend their line giving away penalties in the process. because that is how the laws are now blown. because the penalties are in the sharks half, the ref gets irritated and gives the yellow card. now if your fullback carried the ball up field and got the sharks into the oppositions half, maybe the penalties would go the other way. ok i do not include the stupid yellows received by the du plessis brothers. that is a whole different kettle of fish.

  • Comment 5, posted at 09.03.10 14:27:27 by try time Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : Ryan Walker? Doesnt ring a bell.

  • Comment 6, posted at 09.03.10 14:29:36 by billy Reply

  • rob is it only five yellows. hell it felt like nine.

  • Comment 7, posted at 09.03.10 14:30:22 by try time Reply

  • @try time (Comment 5) : You being serious?

  • Comment 8, posted at 09.03.10 14:30:43 by billy Reply

  • Sereeeaaaasss

  • Comment 9, posted at 09.03.10 14:35:57 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : Yeah good old Kees…I think that man took 10 years off my life.
    Back to real life, we cant expect to play rugby with 14 men on the field, sort them out Plum, maybe no cheeseburgers for Foode and Jannie if they get one πŸ™‚

  • Comment 10, posted at 09.03.10 14:36:15 by Tintin Reply

  • @billy (Comment 8) : TT is always serious when it comes to Stefan 😯

  • Comment 11, posted at 09.03.10 14:36:20 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @billy (Comment 8) : yes. look at where and why we have been yellow carded and penalised. then ask why aren’t we getting out our half more. it isn’t the forwards kicking the ball everytime they get it. but there is one player that kicks 99% of the ball away.

  • Comment 12, posted at 09.03.10 14:38:46 by try time Reply

  • @billy (Comment 6) : I`m clueless as well. Must have been a one hit wonder. Rob what position did he play?

  • Comment 13, posted at 09.03.10 14:39:54 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • I do agree that under the new interpretations teams should be keeping more of the ball in hand ala Brumbies. Would like to see a few suprises in the starting line up this week, a bit more fresh air could get the ball rolling

  • Comment 14, posted at 09.03.10 14:42:05 by Tintin Reply

  • @Pokkel (Comment 11) : yup he is such a great positional player. then he kicks a stupid up and under. and he fails to retrieve it. and all our guys are running back so they don’t get penalised for being off side opening up great space for the opposition to run back at us. for 20 minutes on saturday he showed us what can happen if he actually runs the ball. and what a beautiful site it was. the prick hopefully has woken up.

  • Comment 15, posted at 09.03.10 14:42:06 by try time Reply

  • @Tintin (Comment 14) : how’s snowy? πŸ˜† sorry couldn’t stop myself.

  • Comment 16, posted at 09.03.10 14:45:10 by try time Reply

  • @Original Pierre (Comment 13) : played scrumhalf in the early 2000s

  • Comment 17, posted at 09.03.10 14:47:20 by robdylan Reply
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  • If we go down to 13 men against the Brumbies we will never ever make it up. Not good enough the discipline it is costing the team.

    Also Goode not to sure about him, from the first game with the Sharks getting a yellow then again on Saturday. He goes off then who takes the kicking? Ruan!!!!

    We keep our discipline and we may be in with a chance against the Brumbies. Will never ever catch up against them with 14 men, let alone 13.

    WE also have a novice ref again this week. So discipline is vital.

    Also thought that Merit Refs would always get selected to ref ahead of the Reserve Panel refs, unless the Merit Refs were not up to it. So why do we have a Reserve Panel Ref this week? Still not sure about that. This is only week 5 in the tourney, are the Merit Refs not up to it already?

  • Comment 18, posted at 09.03.10 14:48:10 by Puma Reply

  • @try time (Comment 16) : yeah not bad, just sniffing around for something to do πŸ˜†

  • Comment 19, posted at 09.03.10 14:49:12 by Tintin Reply

  • @Puma (Comment 18) : the merit refs are on the aussies payroll. they have to justify having a fifth team. and making sa teams look bad definitely helps their cause.

  • Comment 20, posted at 09.03.10 14:52:30 by try time Reply

  • @Tintin (Comment 19) : πŸ˜†

  • Comment 21, posted at 09.03.10 14:52:52 by try time Reply

  • @try time (Comment 5) : Not April 1st yet… I think you letting your bias against Stefan cloud your rugby acumen.

  • Comment 22, posted at 09.03.10 14:56:06 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @try time (Comment 20) : πŸ˜†

  • Comment 23, posted at 09.03.10 14:59:12 by Puma Reply

  • @Just a Fan (Comment 22) : ok jaf, explain your reasoning why the sharks have been stuck defending in their half the last four games? then look at how much ground the sharks lose everytime stefan kicks the ball. my reasoning is the most plausible. as i said i don’t not like stefan. i just dislike the guy when his first instinct is to kick.

  • Comment 24, posted at 09.03.10 15:05:53 by try time Reply

  • here is another great reason why ryan should play 12. riaan will never be a bok. ryan could actually impress and be given the spot in the boks. it will be far better than seeing wynand in a bok jersey.

  • Comment 25, posted at 09.03.10 15:07:40 by try time Reply

  • @try time (Comment 25) : but Kanko isn’t blond…isn’t that a requirement to be a Bok 12 πŸ˜†

  • Comment 26, posted at 09.03.10 15:12:09 by Pokkel Reply
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  • sharks didn’t do too badly whilst jannie & goode were sitting out – or was it Tahs whio just could not capitalise.

  • Comment 27, posted at 09.03.10 15:12:26 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 27) : the tahs stuffed that one scrum by going early and let the sharks off the hook. the sharks scored the try and wasted time thereafter.

  • Comment 28, posted at 09.03.10 15:13:56 by try time Reply

  • @Pokkel (Comment 26) : i’ll buy the peroxide if that is all it will take. πŸ˜† πŸ˜†

  • Comment 29, posted at 09.03.10 15:14:29 by try time Reply

  • @try time (Comment 29) : I think Kanko curly’s in peroxide blond would work just fine…..he could score 3 tries before the opposition stops laughing

  • Comment 30, posted at 09.03.10 15:18:00 by Pokkel Reply
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  • I quite agree with you Rob that the game was probably lost when Jannie & Pommy were yellow carded and it upsets me.

    It is not the first time that Saffa teams need to play against the ref as well. This is definately not fair and there is a lot of poor refereeing decisions out there, but it is such a common thing that they should be used to it by now. In fact, I will go as far as to say that this should motivate them.

    So there is not excuse to hang the head down because the ref will be our excuse.

  • Comment 31, posted at 09.03.10 15:18:02 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 31) : oh rekinek, i’ve been meaning to ask, who is sharkie trying to coerce into the sack in your avatar?

  • Comment 32, posted at 09.03.10 15:20:39 by try time Reply

  • @MornΓ© (Comment 4) : but then what is Plum gonna do. I am not convinced he will just drop them – it seems like bigh talk without teeth.

  • Comment 33, posted at 09.03.10 15:21:00 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 33) : oh like the sharks at the moment. 😈

  • Comment 34, posted at 09.03.10 15:22:00 by try time Reply

  • @try time (Comment 32) : πŸ˜†
    i support Polish folklore.

    Hand crafted wooden figure. souvenirish thing.

  • Comment 35, posted at 09.03.10 15:25:24 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 30) : he would look like dave gahan. πŸ˜† πŸ˜†

  • Comment 36, posted at 09.03.10 15:26:18 by try time Reply

  • @try time (Comment 36) : you mean Martin Gore

  • Comment 37, posted at 09.03.10 15:27:27 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) :

    Rodger Smith!! 😈

  • Comment 38, posted at 09.03.10 15:29:17 by wpw Reply
  • @rekinek (Comment 35) : i hate it when you mention your polish roots. cos i always have to bite my tongue. i always want to crack a comment about pole dancing. πŸ˜† πŸ˜†

  • Comment 39, posted at 09.03.10 15:29:41 by try time Reply

  • @try time (Comment 5) :

    keep beating that drum boet!! :mrgreen: πŸ˜†

  • Comment 40, posted at 09.03.10 15:30:11 by wpw Reply
  • @try time (Comment 28) : agreed. they looked much better than in the preceding weeks but still not enough on the attack. One well worked try only and the other intercept. Bit little for 80 minutes.

    I know that this is a bit of extreme comparison but even lions loosing the game managed to put 60 odd points on the board.

  • Comment 41, posted at 09.03.10 15:30:58 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 37) : no he is the lead singer with black hair. dave is the guitarist. or am i wrong?

  • Comment 42, posted at 09.03.10 15:31:01 by try time Reply

  • @try time (Comment 42) : yes i am. doh. well you got it. πŸ˜†

  • Comment 43, posted at 09.03.10 15:32:06 by try time Reply

  • @try time (Comment 42) : Your wrong. Martin Gore is the songwriter freak and Dave Gahan is the lead singer. Trust me I have about 35 DM cd’s and was a big fan 😳

  • Comment 44, posted at 09.03.10 15:34:16 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 43) : Kanko will just have to get a real 80’s undercut going as well.

  • Comment 45, posted at 09.03.10 15:35:35 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 39) : :mrgreen:

    can’t help it. After living some time abroad one becomes overly patriotic.

    some of my colleagues when almost bumping into me at work says they almost hit the pole.

  • Comment 46, posted at 09.03.10 15:36:08 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Puma (Comment 18) : at least he kicked sth over. Look how many Rory missed.
    Oh, and that poor Ikeys flyhalf yesterday.

  • Comment 47, posted at 09.03.10 15:38:20 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 44) : yeah i have a lot of dm stuff. i just never bothered to learn who is who. i have their live in milan dvd. very good.

  • Comment 48, posted at 09.03.10 15:39:37 by try time Reply

  • @try time (Comment 24) : i dare say because all of them kick whenever can not only stef.

  • Comment 49, posted at 09.03.10 15:41:25 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 41) : yes lions do offer a lot more on attack. and this is without settled combinations in place.

  • Comment 50, posted at 09.03.10 15:41:58 by try time Reply

  • @rekinek (Comment 49) : yes but stef is further back on the field, so when he kicks he doesn’t get his players on side quick enough. opening a bigger gap for the opposition to counter. but i agree the other backs are also to blame.

  • Comment 51, posted at 09.03.10 15:44:39 by try time Reply

  • @try time (Comment 48) : I watched them live in Durban in 1994 and they are amazing live. It was a smallish (18 000 crowd) indoors show at the exibition centre and the crowd was great

  • Comment 52, posted at 09.03.10 15:45:08 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 40) : i can beat it everyday and i still wouldn’t match the number of times he boots the ball away. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 53, posted at 09.03.10 15:46:03 by try time Reply

  • @Pokkel (Comment 52) : i was there. i even bought that recycled paper book in a sleeve. i wonder whatever happened to that?

  • Comment 54, posted at 09.03.10 15:47:33 by try time Reply

  • @Pokkel (Comment 52) : was the crowd that big? it felt smaller.

  • Comment 55, posted at 09.03.10 15:49:18 by try time Reply

  • @try time (Comment 54) : I actually found mine the other day while springcleaning. The wife wanted to throw it away, but I kept it. I also bought the massive poster and all the t-shits. I remember it was VERY hot that night

  • Comment 56, posted at 09.03.10 15:49:57 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 55) : It could be I don’t really remember, but it was nice and intimate. I enjoyed that more than the huge concerts like U2 and the Rolling Stones. I was in the venue at 11 in the morning to get a good spot and managed to be about 4 rows from the front

  • Comment 57, posted at 09.03.10 15:53:31 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 56) : its all coming back to me now. it was a scorcher. that was one of the first concerts i had been to.

  • Comment 58, posted at 09.03.10 15:53:37 by try time Reply

  • @Pokkel (Comment 57) : yeah i was right side 8 meters back.

  • Comment 59, posted at 09.03.10 15:56:16 by try time Reply

  • @Pokkel (Comment 57) : yeah the bigger concerts arent great.

  • Comment 60, posted at 09.03.10 15:57:05 by try time Reply

  • ok i’m out of here. great stirring shit.

  • Comment 61, posted at 09.03.10 15:58:25 by try time Reply

  • @try time (Comment 58) : I remenber a couple of people passing out from the heat and most of the girls had their shirts of. πŸ˜€

  • Comment 62, posted at 09.03.10 15:59:24 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 62) : damn i missed all that. πŸ™

  • Comment 63, posted at 09.03.10 16:02:01 by try time Reply

  • @try time (Comment 61) : cheers .

  • Comment 64, posted at 09.03.10 16:02:02 by rekinek Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 63) : Cheers

  • Comment 65, posted at 09.03.10 16:03:56 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 22) : I agree, TT, you get to emotional…think rugby, the problem is not Stefan, Plum is working on the problem and last weekend he started exactly where he should have. Kockett.

  • Comment 66, posted at 09.03.10 16:04:24 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 66) : After all TT’s comments about Stefan I kept my eye on him on Saturday and he is right Stefan kicks way too much….luckily for the Sharks the Tah’s kicked more. The new law interpretation doesn’t suit the up and under at all because you are unlikely to get more than 10% of the ball back.

  • Comment 67, posted at 09.03.10 16:12:13 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 66) : good start indeed, but stef is part of the problem as well. he was kicking too much until he decided to run at the end of the game and this just made a world of difference IMO. unless you won’t to blame game plan for his tactics.

  • Comment 68, posted at 09.03.10 16:12:57 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 65) : are you echoing me :mrgreen:

  • Comment 69, posted at 09.03.10 16:13:52 by rekinek Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) : do you like Epi Taioine? Hahahaha πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 70, posted at 09.03.10 16:27:50 by Megatron Reply

  • I think Jannie was lucky to have received only one yellow thus far, I’d like to know his penalty count. I bet it outscores any S14 player ❗

  • Comment 71, posted at 09.03.10 16:30:57 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @rekinek (Comment 68) : stefan is scared of being tackled, he ran with the ball when “the game became loose” (robdylan’s favourite cliche) and the Tahs were only content with kicking it back to him, he took the cue from the Tahs fans who started boo-ing their own team for kicking as it was the dumb tactic to use!

    Even Marto said if he was allowed to boo through his mic he would do it to. The Waratahs had to be at their crappest for the Sharks to get any ascendency, that should worry Plum, but he won’t say it because all the boys believe they are on the up…

    Bring on the Brumbies.

  • Comment 72, posted at 09.03.10 16:35:30 by Megatron Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 71) : what other tightheads sharks have except jannie & john. can carstens play there?

  • Comment 73, posted at 09.03.10 16:35:58 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 72) : It’s not a fair comment about Stef. He has his vices but being scared of tackles – I don’t think so. He is much more vulnerable when in the air claimimg hogh balls.

    I blame it for a game plan or lack of imagination. Sharks not that good in attacking.

  • Comment 74, posted at 09.03.10 16:39:11 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 73) : I’m not sure, but I’d rather have a scrum stuck in reverse than have Jannie ‘the penalty machine’ duppie with his negative influence on and off the field.

    Isn’t Wiehahn Herbst a tighthead? Or Pat Ciliers?

  • Comment 75, posted at 09.03.10 16:50:01 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @Letgo (Comment 66) : damn right i am emotional. i hate it when players foul a sharks jersey with such average rugby. it is a sacrilege.

  • Comment 76, posted at 09.03.10 16:50:27 by try time Reply

  • @Megatron (Comment 70) : he didn’t amass enough time on the field to count as a Sharks player. Arrived three weeks late, played one game off the bench, got injured, recovered, got sent off and suspended and then played the shittest game of rugby I’ve ever seen in my life in the semi.

    Sum total of about 200 minutes rugby. Total contribution = 0

  • Comment 77, posted at 09.03.10 16:50:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 75) : Pat is turning into a loosehead and a pretty fine one. Ask JD Moller.

    Herbst is the Sharks future @ 3

  • Comment 78, posted at 09.03.10 16:51:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 77) : got injured ? in which game ?

    My records are that came off the bench – got suspended and then made a comeback in semis. For the latter I blame Muir, was a sorry look of AJ onn the bench. still wondering how true this hand injury story was.

  • Comment 79, posted at 09.03.10 16:53:43 by rekinek Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 78) : is he on tour?

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 75) : unfortunately once your scrum is stuck in reverse it has a domino effect on the entire team – so with such scenario the penalty machine not such a bad option.

  • Comment 81, posted at 09.03.10 16:55:32 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 81) : The problem is Jannie tends to give away penalties when we get some forward momentum, that kills team morale more than a reverse scrum (not that we’ve been doing all that bad with Smit at 3, but obviously not the perfect solution).

    @robdylan (Comment 78) : So hopefully then by CC we’ll have Wiehahn at 3? Or will we be stuck with Jannie ’till he makes a move……I sure hope not.

  • Comment 82, posted at 09.03.10 17:02:10 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • Not that Jannie only gives away penalties, but those butterfingers of his kills us every time, he’s useless with ball in hand.

    He actually only adds value at scrum time (and not a lot at that).

  • Comment 83, posted at 09.03.10 17:04:20 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 82) : rebels πŸ™„

  • Comment 84, posted at 09.03.10 17:07:17 by rekinek Reply
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  • jannie’s moments of stupidity aside, he is a good player. i would have hoped that a guy that could become a doctor, would have a little more common sense. my verdict is still out on him.

  • Comment 85, posted at 09.03.10 17:07:52 by try time Reply

  • @try time (Comment 85) : He has played too many games for the tjietahs, you just can’t rid him of that birth defect, it’s just been too long…..kick him out!

  • Comment 86, posted at 09.03.10 17:13:50 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @rekinek (Comment 84) : I wish…hope and pray the rumors are true, but I’ll only believe it when I see him wearing rebel colors…..Bissie will however be missed.

  • Comment 87, posted at 09.03.10 17:16:08 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 86) : good point, look at frans steyn. it must be a free state thing. πŸ˜†

  • Comment 88, posted at 09.03.10 17:19:34 by try time Reply

  • Ahaa, now I saw it on Sport 24 where Plum has allegedly asked for SANZAR to review skid-Marks’ (as someone here so lovingly calls him) performance. Seems it was on rugby heaven originally.

  • Comment 89, posted at 09.03.10 18:07:52 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @try time (Comment 88) : I sure hope the Sharks are done shopping the plains of Free State for future players….

  • Comment 90, posted at 09.03.10 18:17:03 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 78) : send Jannie to the Rebels, cancel his return flight home and send Cilliers to Aus.

  • Comment 91, posted at 09.03.10 19:12:10 by lostfish Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 91) : Herbst rather…

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  • @robdylan (Comment 77) : hahahahahahahaha the last line of your post just cracked me up! i agree with your assertion by the way, i don’t know why muir didn’t take him off earlier! Epi had a shocker of EPIC proportions! :D…thanks for indulging me rob!

  • Comment 93, posted at 09.03.10 20:10:56 by Megatron Reply

  • @lostfish (Comment 91) : Amen to that.

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