Review: Brumbies Game

Written by Jean-Jacques Rousseau (JJR)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super 14 on 13 Mar 2010 at 12:44
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Wow, I am so disappointed. Once again we come so close, but yet we miss out when the game was there for the taking.

The Ref on the side line…hint, hint once again made one critical call, which will again be discussed during the week.


  • Much better at scrum time even though John gave one penalty.
  • Great work ethic from all the loose forwards.
  • Andy Goode’s Goal Kicking was Great.
  • Ruan did allow for faster ball.
  • Adrian jacobs kept momentem going forward when He got some ball.
  • Lineouts were also very good in the first 60 minutes.
  • Defence was more organized and commited.
  • Got a losing Bonus point.


  • Communication between players was poor at times. Everyone doing their own thing.
  • Stefan Terblanche kicking was horrible, kept us in our half for long periods.
  • Jannie Du Plessis…what can i say? He is a Shark, but seems to cost us at the most critical times of the game. Herbst for the bench when we return from tour is my suggestion.
  • The tempo was seriously slow and once again only picks up when we are behind. We did not go full out at the Brumbies, which is worrying.
  • Individuals are once again puttuing their hands up, but as a collective unit some are not doing their part at the moment. I feel Patrick Lambie really deserves a go at Fullback, including Mvovo on the wing.

All in all i just feel so gutted for the guys, because we can say as much as we want about team performance, but their are alot of other factors that have been working against us. Sooner or later we are gonna swing it around and decisions will start going with us. All those who support the Highlanders i feel sorry for, the Sharks will notย feel out a highlanders side with maybe one or two internationals, whereas the Brumbies had a whole lot. Nothing will be held back in That game. If weather stays dry we should see a good day out for the Sharks.

Always Black and White!


  • If Stefan and Odwa dont recover or even if they do, I think Mvovo and Lambie shoulg get a chance. Go Sharks, the next one will be yours!

  • Comment 1, posted at 13.03.10 12:48:44 by JarsonX Reply
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  • @JarsonX (Comment 1) : Lets hope they do get a go, best chance for them to get a run on tour. I knew this game was gonns be close, but at least i know for a fact we won’t lose next week. They will have serious jet lag and their halfback pairing is not settled, due to a number of factors recently. Sharks by around 8.

  • Comment 2, posted at 13.03.10 12:53:37 by JJR Reply
  • There are some great individuals pulling the team ahead and there are some useless chops dragging us backwards. What more can I say, if Plum is stubborn enough to persist with players like these then he deserves the pink slip.

  • Comment 3, posted at 13.03.10 12:53:37 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @CapeShark (Comment 3) : To be Honest as a real Sharks supporter i don’t like to point out individuals, but in our current state we need to find all the problems and fix em. Eg, Jannie take a hike, Bismark i have no problem with, he contributes to the team in many different areas.

  • Comment 4, posted at 13.03.10 12:55:43 by JJR Reply
  • @JarsonX (Comment 1) : I don’t want to sound like a stuck record but really what does Odwa offer us? No pace, no hands and weak in contact. How would Mvovo be any worse??? Anyway, great games from Kanko, Bis and Adi. Deysel looked good. Goode is more than handy with the boot. Keegan needs more chances. Alberts has used up his chances. Muller was terrible. Sykes looking more like a bok than Muller…

  • Comment 5, posted at 13.03.10 12:58:48 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @CapeShark (Comment 5) : I watched Alberts closely and he was great on defence and when he had the ball he always went forward. Muller was good at lineout time. Odwa needs a break i think, movovo needs a chance to show that his pace and eye for the gap is what we need right now, conservitave play is not going to work at this moment in time…we need tries!!

  • Comment 6, posted at 13.03.10 13:02:04 by JJR Reply
  • Kanko can’t do anything wrong in my eyes anyways! ๐Ÿ˜†

    Don’t worry you guys. The Stormers made sure the Highlanders are down in the dumps. Today the Bulls gonna take it a bit further. I will tip the Sharks again next weekend!

  • Comment 7, posted at 13.03.10 13:19:21 by RugbyGal Reply

  • ruan did play that goodhow many times did they steal the ball when he was supposed to be there,and we seriously need 2 new centres, maybe one that can pass futher than 1m

  • Comment 8, posted at 13.03.10 13:49:09 by willa Reply

  • To be fair – RP’s try was due to Muller? obstructing a defender at the ruck. Could have been called by by the same linesman hint hint ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • Comment 9, posted at 13.03.10 14:36:30 by JT-www.rugby-innsbruck.at Reply

  • @JarsonX (Comment 1) : well i hope you are right but my hopes are to down at the moment don’t want to say it but i don’t c us comeing anywhere near the middle at all ๐Ÿ˜ฅ

  • Comment 10, posted at 13.03.10 15:05:09 by Charmaine Reply

  • well what the hell much better game and very close better luck next time and if we don’t get it then i don’t know what to do at all ๐Ÿ˜Ž ๐Ÿ˜ฅ

  • Comment 11, posted at 13.03.10 15:08:16 by Charmaine Reply

  • The only good thing that came out of this game is my 1 point at SB 3/6 so far sorry sharks but until you win i’m against in SB sorry but still love you guys and to that point a win pleaseee ๐Ÿ˜ณ

  • Comment 12, posted at 13.03.10 15:10:01 by Charmaine Reply

  • @JJR (Comment 6) : Thanks for the sympathy ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • Comment 13, posted at 13.03.10 16:52:13 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • Adrian jacobs kept momentem going forward when He got some ball.

    THIS is what the live commentary had to say about Jacobs.

    The Sharks are into the Brumbies 22 as they take it through the phases. The ball is into touch and then as the Sharks win it back, Adi Jacobs throws a shocking pass. The Sharks’ senior playuers are letting the team down. ๐Ÿ˜• ๐Ÿ˜•

  • Comment 14, posted at 13.03.10 16:56:53 by KSA Shark ยฉ Reply

    KSA Shark ยฉ
  • Sharks will beat the Highlanders next weekend.

  • Comment 15, posted at 13.03.10 17:43:38 by Loosehead Reply

  • @Loosehead (Comment 15) : well hope so :mrgreen:

  • Comment 16, posted at 13.03.10 17:50:32 by Charmaine Reply

  • I must say I am really sad, was hoping for a win today but things just do not seem to go right for the Sharks. We have had alot of wrong calls and I somehow feel that enough people have seen and commented on that, so hopefully the paid off refs and linesmen will choose another team to cheat out of points.

  • Comment 17, posted at 13.03.10 20:44:40 by dawnwallenkamp Reply

  • I can’t help but wonder about the fact that we have lost games we should have won and that seems to be a tad fishy to me.

  • Comment 18, posted at 13.03.10 20:45:38 by dawnwallenkamp Reply

  • I hope that this game has given us some much needed encouragement and hope. GO SHARKS, I am still full of hope ๐Ÿ˜›

  • Comment 19, posted at 13.03.10 20:46:30 by dawnwallenkamp Reply

  • Stormers are on the up…..No Luke Watson, Bath can hardly scrape a win….Gained Luke Watson.

    One player having a negative impact on the team has huge influence on these close results, I still believe there is a cancer in the Sharks camp, and it needs to go.

  • Comment 20, posted at 13.03.10 21:05:16 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • Oubaas, so Adi’s sloppy pass at the end cost the Sharks the game, what about oppertunities earlier in the game that had been wasted, or is it easier to blame Jacobs then anybody else ๐Ÿ™„

  • Comment 21, posted at 13.03.10 21:07:34 by Charlie Reply

  • GO SHARKS !!!

  • Comment 22, posted at 13.03.10 21:08:41 by Charlie Reply

  • I think the cancer is Jannie.

  • Comment 23, posted at 13.03.10 21:10:12 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • He must go back to playing doctor, leave the rugby to Bis.

  • Comment 24, posted at 13.03.10 21:10:53 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @dawnwallenkamp (Comment 17) : glad to see your back :mrgreen:

  • Comment 25, posted at 13.03.10 21:13:57 by Charmaine Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 20) : well send him packing to the doc and maybe we will win :mrgreen:

  • Comment 26, posted at 13.03.10 21:15:53 by Charmaine Reply

  • Anyway 4 out of 5 games was lost because of poor referies or judgement by assistants, so if we had the luck needed or correct calls being made it would have been a whole different scenario ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • Comment 27, posted at 13.03.10 21:15:56 by Charlie Reply

  • @Charlie (Comment 21) :

    No No Dude. Drop the chip and don’t be so defensive.

    I am a supporter of Jacobs you should know that. All I am saying is that IN THAT INSTANCE he let the team down

    Players (and their supporters) need to realise that some criticism WILL come their way and they need to live with it and not go defensive when they receive a bit of it.

  • Comment 28, posted at 13.03.10 21:16:18 by KSA Shark ยฉ Reply

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  • @Charlie (Comment 27) : agree but what can we do with them i think they must go back to the books and basics it costing everybody points and heartach in the sharks tank ๐Ÿ˜†

  • Comment 29, posted at 13.03.10 21:17:43 by Charmaine Reply

  • SEVEN consecutive S14 losses for the Sharks. ๐Ÿ˜ณ ๐Ÿ˜ฅ

    Our Last win was against the Highlanders in 2009. Will our next win also be against them? ๐Ÿ˜›

  • Comment 30, posted at 13.03.10 21:18:10 by KSA Shark ยฉ Reply

    KSA Shark ยฉ
  • We lost todays game at the breakdown. We cleared well, but the receiver (Pienaar?) was mostly missing in action, thus the Brumbies merely picked the ball up and countered.

    But, we shouldn’t have left the game so late, we need to score tries โ—

    We are flat on attack, defensively I can’t fault the boys (except for first time tackles – but we’re not giving away cricket scores, read the Nulle and Lions), just attack that is dead.

  • Comment 31, posted at 13.03.10 21:21:41 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @KSA Shark ยฉ (Comment 30) : I’m dreading Monday’s session of repetitive drumbing from Cant10. ๐Ÿ™„

  • Comment 32, posted at 13.03.10 21:23:23 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 31) : well they better make the attack alive because we want win don’t want to get a wooden spoon do we ๐Ÿ™

  • Comment 33, posted at 13.03.10 21:25:44 by Charmaine Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 32) : :mrgreen:

    BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM His drum has ONLY one beat. ๐Ÿ˜›

  • Comment 34, posted at 13.03.10 21:26:26 by KSA Shark ยฉ Reply

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  • @KSA Shark ยฉ (Comment 34) : ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • Comment 35, posted at 13.03.10 21:27:33 by Charmaine Reply

  • Oubaas, well Oubaas I respect your point, chip on the shoulder are for individuals with race issues, my support is still with the whole Sharks team, but surely there are individuals that had been consistantly letting the team down ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • Comment 36, posted at 13.03.10 21:29:04 by Charlie Reply

  • @Charlie (Comment 36) : well charlie its one team or no team for me ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • Comment 37, posted at 13.03.10 21:32:46 by Charmaine Reply

  • So did Smit struggle in the scrums or did he hold his own??

  • Comment 38, posted at 13.03.10 21:42:30 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 38) : what do you think ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • Comment 39, posted at 13.03.10 21:44:50 by Charmaine Reply

  • I didnt watch the game Charmaine. So whats the verdict?? I assume he didnt do a ‘turbo reverse’ ๐Ÿ˜†

  • Comment 40, posted at 13.03.10 21:57:31 by wpw Reply
  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 31) : Ai, cricket scores, but still topping the log? Can us Bulls do anything good in your opinion? ๐Ÿ˜ฏ ๐Ÿ™

  • Comment 41, posted at 13.03.10 21:57:32 by diablo Reply

  • Hey diablo. I watched the Bull s game at my uncle thems. They capetonians but they’re Bulls supporters. Lol
    Anyway, your team looks unstoppable… ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • Comment 42, posted at 13.03.10 21:59:29 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 40) : no turbo but lost and that is not a nice feeling at all ๐Ÿ™

  • Comment 43, posted at 13.03.10 22:02:49 by Charmaine Reply

  • @diablo (Comment 41) : @wpw (Comment 42) : i think the want to keep there title at loftus :mrgreen:

  • Comment 44, posted at 13.03.10 22:04:14 by Charmaine Reply

  • Don’t blame them at all ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • Comment 45, posted at 13.03.10 22:16:27 by Charmaine Reply

  • well sleep well everyone and good luck to the SA teams, OH โ— okay and the s14 teams all around the world better time next time around ๐Ÿ™‚ :mrgreen: ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • Comment 46, posted at 13.03.10 22:35:47 by Charmaine Reply

  • @Charmaine (Comment 46) : Nighty-night to you too. Pity about the Sharks, but you have to take it on the chin and live for another day. We’ve been there, will be there again (but not too soon, ๐Ÿ˜‰ please)and, guess what, one lives to fight another day ๐Ÿ˜ˆ :mrgreen: โ—

  • Comment 47, posted at 13.03.10 22:58:59 by diablo Reply

  • Not too sure which commentary you received in SA. However here in NZ we got Ausie. These A#$ewipes stated categorically that Marks was right in not awarding a Penalty Try that beeing ( Rod Kafer and Kerns) what morons after their darling ref was given the Reffs Red Card. Ausie biased commentary is just sickening. My Bro-in-Law wrote to the Green & Gold web site Re. The Kaplan Saga and got a short reply implying that Kaplan is a Cheat as far as the Ausies are concerned. ( KSA Shark ) you said they were asked to provide proof of this and were unable to do so. Was anything put down in Black and White?? If so can you let me know where to look.
    We SA’s in NZ are constantly told that SARFU are all cheats ie. Suzie and the fact that Loius Luyt gave Bevan a Gold Rolex?? after the 95 World Cup etc etc. So any ammo I can get is always appreciated. Cheers from Sunny Christchurch.

  • Comment 48, posted at 13.03.10 23:07:43 by Dynamite Reply

  • I have Pasted the letter my Bro-in Law wrote if you guys are interested. Sorry its the reply to his letter first from Green & Gold.
    HI Andre,

    Thanks for the email.

    You make some great points but I’ve got to say that I don’t think it fully explains the 14/15 games the Tahs have lost under Kaplan, because:

    a) Other Aussie teams haven’t copped the hiding the Tahs have, and I’d say we all cheat pretty evenly

    b) Other Saffa refs have had no problem with the Tahs, above the average, and surely they’re used to the same RSA game style that Kaplan is?

    My point isn’t that any one countries’ refs are better than another either. Kaplan could be from anywhere, and with those stats I’d ask the same question.



    On 11 Mar 2010, at 21:09, wrote:

    Hi Matt,

    It has been a long time coming that referees are eventually getting a taste of their own medicine as there have been some amazing decisions handed out by SANZAR referees in the past, albeit not only by the ‘ones’ who are now being closely examined but also by those members of the ‘esteemed’ Monitoring Committee.

    Let it be said that the members of the Monitoring Committee in their respective heydays, were not generally known to have always made the right/best decisions….quis custodiet ipsos custodies (for the lesser intelligent reader – who judges the judges???………….or more correctly “who will guard the guards themselves”.

    I sincerely believe that referees don’t set out to cheat or deliberately manipulate the result of a game but rather that they are human and as we all well know….it is human to err………maybe some do more so than others, but then that is what makes for such an interesting Life.

    In addition, having lived in South Africa and now residing in CHCH, I have been able to view a lot of ‘local’ rugby in both countries and it is easy to see that the respective players play rugby in a ‘dissimilar’ style as in the case with the refs, who tend to ‘blow’ according to the style in which the game is and ‘should’ be played in their own particular country, eg the manner of rucking and counter-rucking is definitely played and ‘blown’ differently in SA than in NZ and Oz.

    Jonathan Kaplan is a good example to look at as he refs the breakdown point according to SA play rather than Aussie play, which results in ‘habitual criminals’ like Phil Waugh being ‘pinged’ every time Kaplan is the ref. I viewed the Wallaby – vs – All Blacks test in CHCH in 2006 and was quite amazed to hear the ‘knowledgeable’ one-eyed Cantabrians hurling abuse at Kaplan until I pointed out that his sin-binning of Phil Waugh for continually transgressing, (he was single-handedly ruining what promised to be a good game by ‘killing’ the ball for the first 20 minutes), resulted in opening up the game which in turn allowed the ‘awesome’ All Black backline to score some great tries.

    It is therefore fair to argue that each team’s supporters have their own ‘rules’ for assessing the performance of the ref, ie being a Sharks supporter, it was difficult for me to comprehend how Kaplan, who was born and bred in Durban, could blow so harshly against ‘technically his own team (the Sharks) and yet he did so regularly in the SA Currie Cup, notwithstanding that his decisions ‘may’ have been correct.

    I am sure that most South Africans would rather have some ‘arb’ dictator blowing their team’s games than Stu Dickinson and Steve Walsh, (there might then be a chance of the result not being a foregone conclusion (LOL)), who over the years have produced some memorable and very forgettable performances. However, similarly for the Aussie and NZ supporters, there are certain South African refs that have shown gross incompetence or ‘unexplainable’ decisions whilst handling a game, ie Tappe Henning, an erstwhile member of the now select Mmonitoring Committee, who when refereeing a Super 10 game for the Sharks against the Hurricanes in Durban, appeared to allow ‘extra’ extra time in order for the Sharks to score and win the game.

    However, in order to be fair, contrast the failure by Steve Walsh and Lyndon Bray (the erstwhile chief of the Monitoring Committee) to ‘blow’ the very visible transgression of the Blue Bulls player who should have been penalised in the last minutes of the Super 14 Final (2007) for playing the ball in an ‘off-side’ position (possibly allowed by an NZ rerf as Richie McCaw seems to spend almost every game playing on the wrong side of the ruck – LOL) which ultimately cost the Sharks victory. I seem to recall that both Walsh and Bray apologised to the Sharks after the game by explaining their failure to see the player as simply ‘that’, notwithstanding the TV footage showing both looking at the player. To make matters worse, Lyndon Bray, is seen to be standing virtually on top of the player as the ruck took place almost at his feet, ie on the touchline. However, that is the ‘nature’ of the game and as the ‘great’ Naas Botha always says, “you play according to the ref’, which so many players in the modern era seem unable to do.

    For me, a major part of the enjoyment of the game is the sheer delight to be obtained from “baying and howling’ abuse at the ref, who at every turn appears to be siding with the opposition and making ‘incorrect’ decisions. To remove such a feature would be to create a sterile atmosphere and if rugby is to continue to entertain, I feel that it is necessary to have referees making their ‘warts and all’ decisions.

    The decision to create the Monitoring Committee is a positive step forward in the direction of attempting to achieve ‘fair play’ and to continuously educate and encourage refs to improve themselves….although after all who really wants to be a Super 14 ref given that there are so many rugby supporters/viewers who know infinitely more than the ref does whilst making their decisions from the comfort of their living room and with the benefit of repeated viewings of the game/’incident’.

    Kind regards,

    Andre – “A lifelong rugby supporter and enthusiastic abuse hurler at Aussie refs”

  • Comment 49, posted at 13.03.10 23:13:26 by Dynamite Reply

  • @Dynamite (Comment 48) :

    I saw the match last night after the Stormers game.

    Obviously the two fools are not up to speed with the current goings on. After saying they thought he had got the call right they went on to say the Sharks must be hoping they don’t get Marks again this season. ๐Ÿ˜•

    Tjhe guy has been removed from all Super14 refereeing for the rest of the season you pillucks!!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 50, posted at 14.03.10 04:44:53 by KSA Shark ยฉ Reply

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  • this review starts with ‘much better at scrum time’ ??????/

    What game wee you watching?
    Only time scrums were any way close to parity were when Smit was subbed.
    Unlucky again for sharks….but as i said prior to game….as long as you prepered to concede in the scrum area i forsee more and more tears in future.

    Bissy is playing fantastic rugby, has to start. Bench Smit…..simple.He is absolutely nowhere….poor and not featuring at all. It is time to leave the arena…may sound harsh, but i assure all those who really care about Smit, he is having his legacy ruined by trying to prolong his career.

  • Comment 51, posted at 14.03.10 07:55:21 by grant10 Reply

  • 3 scrums swung this game. Watch the game again….its crystal clear where the problem lays.

  • Comment 52, posted at 14.03.10 08:02:02 by grant10 Reply

  • What I saw:

    Odwa does more in 30 mins than JPP in 80.
    Stefan had a shocker.
    Our kicking out of hand was pathetic.
    No point in Adi at 13 with bash-it-up Swannie at 12.
    Skullet average at best.
    Ruan starting to regain confidence.
    Smit at 3 remains a disaster.
    We used Alberts in the role best suited to his game, ie running at the midfield
    Kanko is a master at intercepting at line-outs and was again not off sides
    Bissie is our best forward
    Hargreaves should have subbed Muller, not Sykes

    Overall we were again not good enough, because the Brumbies, like the Tahs last week, was there for the taking. Iยดm afraid weยดve forgotten how to win.

  • Comment 53, posted at 14.03.10 09:56:56 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @diablo (Comment 41) : No

  • Comment 54, posted at 14.03.10 10:50:39 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @Dynamite (Comment 48) : Had a choice between ozzie and Afrikaans commentary…..sadly the Afrikaans had Ashwin Willemse, seems he has a deep hatred towards the Sharks, so I flipped between the ozzie and Afrikaans.

    I heard what those swine ozzies reckoned, strange then how skid-Marks was kicked out of the refereeing panel. They must have red that Spiro creature’s column during the week. Numb-nuts

  • Comment 55, posted at 14.03.10 10:55:32 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @Charmaine (Comment 25) : Thank you ๐Ÿ˜€ glad you noticed. I feel like I have missed out on so much. This site is addictive :mrgreen:

  • Comment 56, posted at 14.03.10 11:41:56 by dawnwallenkamp Reply

  • @KSA Shark ยฉ (Comment 50) : Marks was there right? Someone told me he was a linesman.

  • Comment 57, posted at 14.03.10 11:43:07 by dawnwallenkamp Reply

  • @grant10 (Comment 51) :


    Boom Boom Boom

  • Comment 58, posted at 14.03.10 13:43:18 by KSA Shark ยฉ Reply

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  • @dawnwallenkamp (Comment 57) :

    Yip he was one of the touch Judges. ๐Ÿ˜ณ

  • Comment 59, posted at 14.03.10 13:49:23 by KSA Shark ยฉ Reply

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  • @KSA Shark ยฉ (Comment 58) : And continue woth smit at 3 at the sharks and boks peril….boom,boom,boom, ….8 losses on the trot….and smit at 3 for boks a quarter final WC exit…..mark my words….

    Cant 10 is not blind…..

  • Comment 60, posted at 14.03.10 13:54:04 by grant10 Reply

  • i am not sure who Smit s advisors/ mentors are ….

    but he needs to listen to someone who gives a damn about his plummetting reputation….

  • Comment 61, posted at 14.03.10 13:55:37 by grant10 Reply

  • @grant10 (Comment 61) : I think it was Os ๐Ÿ˜€

    How’s about that Streamers scrum though, they turbo reversed at times also, and they didn’t even have Smit ๐Ÿ˜€

    Jannie didn’t improve the Sharks scrum either, unless we get BJ back, I can’t justify playing Jannie at TH instead of Smit, or Wiehahn Herbst must be used, as long as the solution isn’t Jannie.

  • Comment 62, posted at 14.03.10 15:46:33 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • Will they ever drop Jannie, or will we be stuck with his ill discipline, useless ball skills and less than sufficient scrummaging?

    I’d rather see Smit struggle than have Jannie throwing his girly tantrums when he knocks the ball.

    Buying Jannie was probably Straeuli’s brain dead idea, now we’re stuck with him. Time for the Sharks to build their own team, put the cheque book away, and develop our own players for a change. Something that should never have been neglected in the first place.

  • Comment 63, posted at 14.03.10 16:01:55 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 63) :

    I sometimes wonder why the two brothers always try and negotiate a package deal for both of them and I almost always come up with a different name but the answer is almsot always the same.

    It is because (Insert one of their names here) has such a bad disciplinary record.

  • Comment 64, posted at 14.03.10 16:21:43 by KSA Shark ยฉ Reply

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  • @KSA Shark ยฉ (Comment 64) : And Bis is the only one able to be an addition to a team. But both of them has shown poor discipline, but it’s easier to forgive Bis.

    I’m starting to believe (from watching the games) that Jannie has as bad an influence on the Sharks as a group, as Watson had on the Streamers.

    I’m keeping a watchfull eye on him, he is the only player that keeps throwing his little girlie tantrums at the team and the ref.

  • Comment 65, posted at 14.03.10 16:48:20 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @KSA Shark ยฉ (Comment 64) : @FireTheLooser (Comment 65) :
    Gents….with the greatest of respect, i am no Jannie dup fan, but to say the scrums did not improve once Smit was subbed is simply not true…..go look again….it was chalk and cheese. In fact the sharks even got an advantage every now and then, compared to the manhandling they recieved when smit was there….

    I watched and reran every scrum…..Smit is simply not up to it…

  • Comment 66, posted at 14.03.10 17:02:59 by grant10 Reply

  • @grant10 (Comment 66) : But with Jannie we weren’t dominating the scrums either. If choosing Smit over Jannie means going slightly backwards vs. standing stationary I’ll take it.

    Jannie is the cancer in the Sharks setup, very negative, throwing his girlie tantrums every game. If that’s how he acts on international t.v., imagine him at practice sessions.

    There is definitely someone affecting the team, and Jannie’s actions on field makes him the prime candidate.

    You’ll know how one person can affect a whole team (read Watson), was a brilliant player, but a negative influence on the team. Streamers this year are a championship side, Bath on the other hand suddenly doing very poorly.

  • Comment 67, posted at 14.03.10 17:21:49 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 67) :

    Plus ifs Jannie goes then so does Bismarck.

    Then John Smit may become a hooker again.

  • Comment 68, posted at 14.03.10 17:26:40 by KSA Shark ยฉ Reply

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  • @KSA Shark ยฉ (Comment 68) : I’ll hate losing Bis, but I think it’s a price worth paying to get back to winning ways.

    If Bis is dumb enough (which he probably is) to follow his boetie everywhere he goes, so be it. Jannie isn’t close to being as good a player as Bis, if Bis is willing to give his career up for Jannie’s dreams……oh well.

    I can’t however see them heading to Oz and mis out on wc 2011, and by the sound of things, no one in SA wants the pair. Jannie should have stayed with the Tjietas, he fits in well with their type.

  • Comment 69, posted at 14.03.10 17:56:34 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • problem is Bissy is the best 2 in the world….an absolute monster in the tight loose and assists as a real fetcher type at the breakdowns….he has been huge against the Brumbies and is a must for the sharks….this leaves the dilemma for Plum. Smit at 3 and the scrums are conceded….believe me you go back even a little and its damn difficult for 8,9 and 10…..or Smit on bench?

    For me Smit has played so much rugby, the season is over as far as honours in super 14 are required….boks wont play CC….so why not rest Smit? Bissy at 2, beast and carstens to share 1 and JDP and Herbst to front at 3?

    Smit at 3 and the Highlanders will beat sharks….again, mark my words…

  • Comment 70, posted at 14.03.10 18:09:35 by grant10 Reply

  • I’m starting to worry about something else…..who will captain the Sharks by next year’s CC?

    Muller is leaving, Blanche can’t be too far from retirement, and after next year Smit is also done.

    Nobody has stepped up to the plate, I actually rated Barrit to take over the captaincy…then he left.

  • Comment 71, posted at 14.03.10 18:20:22 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @grant10 (Comment 70) : Smit will be played at 2, same as the ‘Tahs game.

    Plum will know the Landers strength is their forward pack, he won’t take chances there.

    I want to see Herbst take the 3 jersey….Jannie can bench for the VC side for all I care, go and disrupt them.

  • Comment 72, posted at 14.03.10 18:22:49 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @KSA Shark ยฉ (Comment 59) : and he made another mistake that cost the Sharks….I have never seen Naas Botha as angry as he was yesterday! To adlib quote: How can they make the guy an ref. Ass. for the match in which the team he messed up the week before!!?….or something to that effect. He said it was just not acceptable and I AGREE WITH HIM!!
    How much longer do we (the SA teams) have to put up with this nonsence??? Wait till the Bulls go on tour and get these “inexperienced” refs……but by that time, maybe they will have gain “experience’ and improved…one good thing…they won’t have Marks! ๐Ÿ™„

  • Comment 73, posted at 14.03.10 19:08:02 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 72) : That exactly is the problem with Smit…..he has to be looked after at 3…..so Bissy gets the bullet when it is assumed Smit cannot cope at 3…..even though bissy is the better 2 !!IMO anyway!.

    For me….smit on bench till last 20 minutes……then let him come on either at 2….or 1 ….far easier at loosehead than 3…..

    furthermore,, as a non shark supporter, i would look after Bissy first and foremost. He is the future…..heres a tip….why not offer Bissy the captaincy, it may focus that aggression!

  • Comment 74, posted at 14.03.10 19:33:11 by grant10 Reply

  • @grant10 (Comment 74) : Can’t see you gaining any popularity with that call.

    It worked for the Streamers, but I think it will serve as a distraction for Bissie, he’s game will go backwards.

    We did well against the ‘Tahs with Smit at 2. It seems to me that he’s struggling to captain the Sharks, discipline wise it seems they might not be to keen to follow him. Saw him throwing a tantrum on Saturday when someone wanted to take the quick tap for a penalty.

    I can’t justify him being dropped completely, he’s just about the only one on the field staying calm under pressure and making sensible calls.

    The only way Smit will be dropped out of the Sharks starting XV is if Pdv pulls a Mallet/Teichman on him. That can always still happen…..difficult choices to be made and I’m glad it’s not up to me.

  • Comment 75, posted at 14.03.10 19:51:16 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @Me2 aka Mama Shark (Comment 73) : I can’t wait for the Sharks to have a Saffa ref again.

    We only had one half in 5 games with a (proper) saffa ref. And 1 and a half games with an experienced ref (that’s if the Saders ref had experience)

  • Comment 76, posted at 14.03.10 19:53:57 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • Grant10
    Did u watch the Stormers game?? Did you notice how we struggled at scrum time on quite a few occasions?? And yet we destroyed the Canes and were never going to lose the match.
    My point is that you are talking out of your ass. Smit might not be doing brilliantly at 3 but he is not the reason the Sharks are losing.
    They are lacking in confidence more than anything… Their backline play is poor and any team that loses their first 5 games will struggle to turn things around (confidence is key)

  • Comment 77, posted at 14.03.10 21:06:54 by wpw Reply
  • It seems ot me you are trying to prove to your fellow bloggers that you are indeed a ‘guru’ when it comes to the technical aspects of the game and yet most of us see you for what you are… A shit stirrer!!

  • Comment 78, posted at 14.03.10 21:09:38 by wpw Reply
  • @ wpw ๐Ÿ˜ˆ

  • Comment 79, posted at 14.03.10 21:22:15 by Charlie Reply

  • @wpw (Comment 77) : a couple of points….i was at the Stormers game…by no stretch of the imagination did they get shoved around in the scrums….

    second point….you mention all the sharks losses….and lack of confidence…i ask you why is this the case? Its because they are being broken ar scrum time.

    A ‘shit stirrer’?

    What have i to gain? I am simply stating my opinion? Why dont you tell me why there are now 8 losses on the trot?

    I am no guru….but have watched,played and loved this game since 1976 , so believe i have the right to an opinion….

  • Comment 80, posted at 14.03.10 21:53:30 by grant10 Reply

  • Has anybody had the stomach to watch the game a second time?

    From what I saw (watching the game live) it seemed as though we were over eager at cleaning the ruck and forgot about the ball, allowing the Burmbies to simply walk into the ruck and pick up the ball without infringing any offside lines.

    Bottom line seems we’re giving away too much possession, not protecting it at all.

  • Comment 81, posted at 14.03.10 21:58:08 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @wpw (Comment 78) : @grant10 (Comment 80) : Funny, two Streamers supporters arguing about the Sharks scrum :mrgreen:

  • Comment 82, posted at 14.03.10 22:01:36 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @wpw (Comment 78) : :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
    Love it when this happens!
    @wpw (Comment 78) : Agree with Charlie! ๐Ÿ˜ˆ

  • Comment 83, posted at 14.03.10 22:13:09 by Me2 aka Mama Shark Reply

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  • Grant
    Dude, the Stormers struggled at scrum time on quite a few occasions. Particularly in the first half…
    As for your comment about the scrum being the reason for the lack of confidence. How can backline players like Adi, JPP, Odwa and Stefan be affected if the scrum is struggling… Please explain that to me. I’d love to know how for example JP and Stefan are affected… Thats just stupid!!!

  • Comment 84, posted at 14.03.10 22:17:19 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 84) : its simple….the backs are nullified and lose confidence as a lot of the time they are playing off the back foot. But lets not argue….you have made up your mind already about me.

  • Comment 85, posted at 15.03.10 08:04:41 by grant10 Reply

  • My 2 cents. I feel the Sharks forgot to compete at the breakdown. In stead they spread out on defense, okay it helped our defense a lot, but this means we played without the ball for long periods. Who can win anything if you play without the ball?

  • Comment 86, posted at 15.03.10 08:06:26 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @grant10 (Comment 85) : wpw does not know much of backline play, he’s a prop, better then Os Du Randt ๐Ÿ˜ˆ :mrgreen: ๐Ÿ˜ˆ

  • Comment 87, posted at 15.03.10 08:23:12 by Charlie Reply

  • @grant10 (Comment 85) :

    Were the Bok backs ‘nullified’ when Eddie Andrews was the Bok prop in 2004 and 2005??

    Did it affect their ‘confidence’??

    And Eddie Andrews is not nearly as good as John at tight head!!

    You sir, do not know what you are talking about!!!

  • Comment 88, posted at 15.03.10 08:27:57 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 88) : okay….fine. Smit at 3 is great…

  • Comment 89, posted at 15.03.10 08:35:09 by grant10 Reply

  • @grant10 (Comment 85) : @wpw (Comment 88) : You’re both wrong. Smit isn’t a great no 3 by a long shot but that isn’t the only problem the Sharks have….their backline has no clue what to do with a rugbyball and I don’t even think BJ Botha would sort that problem out. :mrgreen: ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • Comment 90, posted at 15.03.10 08:40:17 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Smit to 2.

    Mvovo to 11. Lambie to 15.

  • Comment 91, posted at 15.03.10 08:45:59 by Oubaas2009 Reply

  • @wpw (Comment 88) : Smit is by no means a great no 3 and he is not a better 2 than Bismarck….so he is basically in the team as the ‘best captain in the world’…My problem is that I haven’t seen much of his leadership skills at work so far this year with the Sharks. I’m worries that if the ‘Bok’ front row is struggeling in the S14 what will the international do to the same front row. If the Sharks play Smit at 3 against the Highlanders they are going to be in BIG trouble.

  • Comment 92, posted at 15.03.10 08:46:24 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 90) : no doubt Pokkel…..but i have maintained since the CC Semi last year that your 8….9 and 10 are being crucified because of poor scrum….i just read an arcticle on keo confirming my view. It must be borne in mind that both beast and bissy are not great scrummagers, so with a weak converted hooker at 3 sharks on a hiding to nothing come scrum time.

    It starts there pokkel…..thats the origin of the problems…

  • Comment 93, posted at 15.03.10 08:47:13 by grant10 Reply

  • for me its simple….smit on the bench.

    I would never drop bissy….damn, he is the sharks crown jewel in that pack!

  • Comment 94, posted at 15.03.10 08:49:46 by grant10 Reply

  • @Pokkel (Comment 90) :

    Dude, I’m NEVER wrong!!! ๐Ÿ˜ˆ :mrgreen:

  • Comment 95, posted at 15.03.10 08:55:58 by wpw Reply
  • @Pokkel (Comment 92) :

    Bro, so would you prefer the ‘walking yellow card’ at 3?? ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Smit is not dominating his opponent at scrumtime but neither is any other SA tight head!!

    Which SA tight head has dominated at test level for the Boks.

    I’d go as far as to say that even BJ couldn’t achieve that at test level. ๐Ÿ™„

  • Comment 96, posted at 15.03.10 08:59:55 by wpw Reply
  • @Pokkel (Comment 92) : @grant10 (Comment 94) : How many penalties would not have been taken had Smit not been there?

    Can you imagine the scoreline had we not taken all those penalties, Muller and Terblanche would have gone for the line out or quick tap. Smit is the only cool head we’ve got on the field.

  • Comment 97, posted at 15.03.10 09:00:25 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @wpw (Comment 95) : I would love to see the Stormers and the Bulls play each other now. The Stormers are defending like trojan’s and the Bulls are really attacking well but leaking a lot of tries. I think the Stormers are maybe just a bit more balanced and if the keep defending well might actually beat the Bulls.

  • Comment 98, posted at 15.03.10 09:02:22 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 96) : No I don’t want Jannie either maybe Herbst. The Sharks have lost 4 games by 7 or less. Isn’t it the job of a great leader to make sure you win the close ones…..OK maybe I’m being to hard on Smit but the bottom line is that he shouldn’t get a starting spot in the team on playing ability only and I’m fine with that but then the leadership should be so good that it makes up for otn being the best and I’m not seeing it at the moment.

  • Comment 99, posted at 15.03.10 09:07:21 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 92) :

    Dude, he is by no means outstanding at 3 but the Boks did amazingly well with him at 3 during 2009 test season.

  • Comment 100, posted at 15.03.10 09:08:26 by wpw Reply
  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 97) : cant play a guy at 2 or 3 who cant scrum and walks around the field ….sorry…smit is a season too far….imo.

    cheers all….work to do.

  • Comment 101, posted at 15.03.10 09:08:29 by grant10 Reply

  • @Pokkel (Comment 98) : I second that, Streamers are gaining momentum every week. Nulle must be getting nervous.

  • Comment 102, posted at 15.03.10 09:09:37 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 97) : You sounding like a Lions supporter now….happy to lose as long as it’s not by a big margin…don’t get used to mediocrity… the Sharks should be winning not losing by 2 every weekend. ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • Comment 103, posted at 15.03.10 09:09:56 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 65) : Thanks for that sexist remark….I am a girl and I don’t throw those embarrassing tantrums…I would say behaves like a 2yr old.

  • Comment 104, posted at 15.03.10 09:11:04 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • I can’t afford to chat gotta get working today… I’ll pop in later again

  • Comment 105, posted at 15.03.10 09:12:29 by Pokkel Reply
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  • all playing nicely I hope… will be along shortly with a fresh perspective ๐Ÿ™‚

  • Comment 106, posted at 15.03.10 09:14:00 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 99) :

    Bro, there is only so much that John can do.

    It is not his fault that most of team mates are struggling with form.

  • Comment 107, posted at 15.03.10 09:14:56 by wpw Reply
  • @Just a Fan (Comment 104) : Seriously โ“ โ—

  • Comment 108, posted at 15.03.10 09:17:16 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 106) : Is this site turning into a kindergarden??? ๐Ÿ˜ฏ ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • Comment 109, posted at 15.03.10 09:17:36 by Pokkel Reply
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  • GO SHARKS !!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 110, posted at 15.03.10 09:31:24 by Charlie Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 81) : Yip, of all the comments here I agree with that one the most. I think if you bring up the stats you will see that the Sharks might just be them team with the highest turnovers conceded rating and that’s just not good.

    We need to protect our ball and then start to worry about everything else. With the scraps of ball we’re getting, I’m not expecting much of any of our attacking players.

  • Comment 111, posted at 15.03.10 09:34:14 by Letgo Reply
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  • There is no way that Odwa does more than JP. JP’s speed, tackling and defensive play is phenomenal…he keeps himself busy even when there are no scoring opportunities for him.

    We need Smit on the field for 80mins – don’t understand the rational in subbing your captain. The Captain doesn’t have to be the best player on the field – but he does have to be the best at getting the best out of everyone else on the field – and Smitty does that…if he has to play wing in order to be on the pitch then so be it!

    Nothing improves when Jannie gets on the field…he gives away more penalties and causes more embarrassment…really he is supposed to be an intellectual, yet his temper tantrums would imply that he has the emotional development of a 2yr old. Do not need that crap.

    Big fan of Stefan Terblanche – but he had a shocker on Saturday, and I would say that his mistakes were monumental, and cost us the game.

    We did look a bit closer to playing like a team – hoping that things will “click” for us next week.

    Watched Racing Metro vs Montauban this weekend – although Racing Metro lost, Frans Steyn was a star. The two trys I saw being scored by Racing (they scored three in the game) were both set up by Frans….He really does have the X factor a team needs – and something the Sharks no longer have. Ruan has the potential to be bring the X factor back into the side…he is getting his game back and I am waiting with baited breath for him to be back in full swing.

    Black and White – All that matters!

  • Comment 112, posted at 15.03.10 09:39:15 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @grant10 (Comment 70) : @grant10 (Comment 70) : Sorry to disagree re Bismark I rate him however this last game he gave 6-9 points away with penalties and we cant live with that.
    Didnt think ref had a bad first game Better than most we have this season!!! and it was his first S14 Game
    Marks howver that is another story Loved Johns chirp when penalty awarded for not binding on someone in the loose Was that Paul Marks call. the look the ref gave him should make highlight package

  • Comment 113, posted at 15.03.10 09:44:13 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @Fattmann (Comment 113) : Yeah loved that chirp – don’t understand how he could be allowed to officiate a team who was successful in their appeal against him.

  • Comment 114, posted at 15.03.10 09:50:31 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Fattmann (Comment 113) : Yep, the ref’s facial expression was priceless…would love to see that clip on youtube. ๐Ÿ˜€

  • Comment 115, posted at 15.03.10 10:01:47 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • Does anyone know how i can find out where most provincial players played their rugby before playing for their provinces or CC/super14?

  • Comment 116, posted at 15.03.10 10:05:57 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 116) : sarugby.net? What exactly are you trying to dig up?

  • Comment 117, posted at 15.03.10 10:32:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • I’d like to find some information to counter Mark Keohane’s crazy article in the business day this morning. He says the sharks rarely grows talent. And goes on to say that The Sharks in the days when they were known as the Banana Boys for slipping on a peel every time they challanged for Currie Cup A-section status, never earned promotion on the Currie Cup through performance. It required a competition format expansion to accommodate the Durbanites, and when they finally made it into the big league of South African domestic rugby they proved leaders of the era of “shamateurism”. They created a culture of expensive player imports, with the occasional dud buys. It could explain why the mercenaries of Durban have always teased more than pleased when it comes to winning anything….Watching the Sharks is like watching Real Madrid in the European Cup. They have the stars but too many of them have to be taught the local culture instead of being born into it, and in moments of stress there is a trend for these imports to stumble more easily than fight. After all, the Sharks are a team for too many and a home for too few.

    About the Bulls and the Stormers he says, Both teams are playing the best rugby in the competition…when the Bulls and Province are strong, so too is South African rugby…With the Bulls and Stormers there is enough emphasis on homegrown talent and the integration of big names is balanced with investments of locals.

    If the words and phrases “local”, “homegrown” and “born into it” means what I think it does, then Keo is dreaming up a bunch of BULL to write an article. Hardly any of the Bulls players were “born” in that area…in fact they are the team with the least players born in that area. All the other teams are basically 50% when it comes to that.

    Now I know a player can be local or homegrown by moving there at a young age and that’s why I’d like to see where all these players played most of their rugby before becoming part of a bigger provincial setup.

    Keohane is a bum, this is the professional era, and if you don’t lure guys in then your going to get stuck in the past. And just because these two provinces has the countries afrikaans colleges and universities where they find so many of their players, does not mean that they are locals. They’re students.

    I’m so annoyed with him. I just want to get those stats…

  • Comment 118, posted at 15.03.10 12:12:50 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 118) : I pulled together some stats on the Bulls a while ago… not sure if I still have them.

    But if you start off by ignoring the shit that Keohane writes, you’ll find your life is, in general, happier ๐Ÿ™‚

  • Comment 119, posted at 15.03.10 12:20:28 by robdylan Reply
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  • Yeah – Don’t even bother ….it just ruins your day.

  • Comment 120, posted at 15.03.10 12:28:38 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Just a Fan (Comment 120) : and there’s nothing he loves more than having a dig at the Sharks. Pity we’re giving him so much ammo these days.

  • Comment 121, posted at 15.03.10 12:38:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • Joel Stransky made me sick on Saturday with all is Bull worshiping too…

  • Comment 122, posted at 15.03.10 12:41:37 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • @Letgo (Comment 118) : you can also mention that Stormes good season this year coincides with Jacque Fourie and Bryan Habana joining them. Vermeulen is also playing well and he is FS import isn’t he. Same de Vaal although not starting.

  • Comment 123, posted at 15.03.10 13:38:32 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 118) : there were some interesting stats about Bulls and Cheetahs before last year CC final. It was about how many “local” players were in each team. Verys interesting, I think it was 3 real bulls and 5 real cheetahs. (I think arti was on iafrica.com)

    The question always is the definition of local. Does the player need to be born, schooled and playing in this particular province or is it enough if he starts playing superrugby for this province?

  • Comment 124, posted at 15.03.10 13:42:47 by rekinek Reply
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  • Yip, Keohane is…., ๐Ÿ˜ˆ

    I don’t usually pay attention, but my brother got a little upset with the article he usually, doesn’t care that much, and brought it to my attention.

    How a guy like that is even aloud to have public thoughts let alone get paid to get them published, I have no idea.

    The Sharks have to turn it around soon, if only to shut this guy up.

  • Comment 125, posted at 15.03.10 13:53:54 by Letgo Reply
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