Well done Sharks, but let’s keep perspective

Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Stormers, Super 14 on 9 May 2010 at 11:54
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The Sharks played absolutely superbly on Saturday to down the Stormers. In the process, they gave their fans not only hope for the future, but also an agonising glimpse of what could have been this season, had they only discovered the same sort of form earlier and more consistently.

While it’s tempting for us to go to town on this result, though, I reckon we need to temper our enthusiasm somewhat… A good look at the log this morning should be enough to bring the reality back, because regardless of the result of the game, there’s only one team that’s still in semi-final contention and it isn’t the Sharks!

So while we celebrate this victory, let’s not come down too hard on the Stormers and their fans, lest we end up being guilty of the very same mentality that we so loathe in Cheetahs fans; it doesn’t matter where we end on the log, so long as we beat the Sharks.

We’ve certainly had our fair share of being gracious in defeat this season. Let’s also try being magnanimous in victory by concedig that, while the Stormers were way off their best yesterday, they’re still a great team and sure to do South Africa proud in the semis. Go get em, Stormers and we hope you learned something from your trip to Durban.

As for the Sharks, all I can say is, “you bloody beauties!”


  • I totally agree with this Rob, best result for SA is if the Stormers win big next weekend, then we can have another all-SA final!

  • Comment 1, posted at 09.05.10 15:44:42 by war1 Reply
  • Well done to the guys, that was huge!

    Stormers fans and the team seem to have written it off as “we were not up for it”, “a one off fluke” and “this is one we lost, you didn’t win it”.

    Profoundly disrespectful. In numerous areas they were shown up in that game. What many are forgetting is we were missing – Bismarck/Adi/Muller/JP. Some would argue Plumtree stumbled onto a good team by mistake/injuries as the season progressed (probably including me, only made changes when forced). But the fact remains that is a third of our starting line up and I would take them all starting or bench.

    The next thing people are ignoring, is just how big and physical the match last week was. That was a huge game, especially in the forward exchanges. You saw it in the Bulls performance this round also and a fair bit of what the Sharks did – there were more points left out on the park yesterday.

    Stormers, the team and the fans, are writing this off as nothing. I’m not so sure. Second highest score total and try total conceded this season by them. I remember me saying the same about our loss to the Cheetahs last year. In hindsight it was a start of a collapse. This wake up call comes even later for the Stormers and they are ignoring it.

    It was a poor season by our standards. If they win next week, it’s 6 losses for 7 wins, 2/2 against the SA/Aus sides and 3/2 against the Kiwis. One more win would probably have been enough for the semis.

    There are clearly problems, but alot less than there seemed to be. The pack has been excellent – had the measure of the Stormers, but matched or bested by the Bulls. In the backs, half of them have the goods, half do not. At a minimum we need a real backline coach and some older players dropped from the starting XV.

  • Comment 2, posted at 09.05.10 16:06:14 by Os Reply

  • What I like about this side, is the immense amount of heart it has shown. True grit. I can’t recall seeing this from a Sharks side that often before, certainly not to this degree. These guys just fight and fight, then back it up with more the next week. Didn’t matter about how tired they were, or injuries really.

    That has not been enough. But add some more in the backline and maybe just maybe.

    It’s imperative we get the best backline coach possible and use the 2010 Currie Cup to work out backline selection. This should be top of the list for Plumtree, Stroodle and van Zyl.

    If we can get BJ Botha for 2011 Super rugby, to strengthen the pack further. Perhaps also signing a backline player, the likes of Jean de Villiers for 2011 Super 14, but I’m irrationally a bit anti backline signings lately.

    2011 could be very good if those elements are in place. Before no doubt key bits of the jigsaw leave after the world cup.

  • Comment 3, posted at 09.05.10 16:22:32 by Os Reply

  • @war1 (Comment 1) : And have a team other than the Nulle winning that blerrie cup. πŸ˜†

  • Comment 4, posted at 09.05.10 16:54:29 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @Os (Comment 3) : Well after last night it became obvious how desperately we need a PERMANENT WORLD CLASS fh.

    The whole backline has shown what none of us knew they were capable of.

    I’m not so sure anymore that we need a backline coach, rather we invest in a PERMANENT fh. (as in local talent and not from another franchise’s senior team)

  • Comment 5, posted at 09.05.10 17:00:08 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • Hello peeps, just to let you know I’m not hiding…
    Well done on the win, your team deserved it. Hopefully we’ll bounce back next weekend, enjoy it.

    I thought Kockott caused havoc around the rucks for us, haven’t seen any credit given to him anywhere for that.

    And p.s. i dislike kallie woekie immensely, he is a box.

  • Comment 6, posted at 09.05.10 17:20:52 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 6) : Kockott, inspiration for Pienaar to rethink he’s stance on playing fh. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 7, posted at 09.05.10 17:26:04 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 5) : Hello FireTheLooser

    They certainly need the best backline coach they can buy imo. They have a world class forwards coach, although very dodgy as a head coach I reckon. A world class backline coach the equal of Plumtree for the forwards (basically a Dick Muir replacement), is exactly what we need to balance out the coaching setup. Provide some support to Plumtree in the management/decision making department and get some better backs coaching going. We’ve seen very little planned moves/dummy runners/inside passes etc. this season. Look at the Stormers over the season and look at us? Bryan and Fourie aside, are the players really that better?

    Ruan can do a job at test and provincial level at 10, he has proven that. But there is no point playing him there unless he wants to be there.

    Yes we need a flyhalf, a agree by ‘investing’ in someone in the position for an extended period. Not just buying someone on a one year deal and the problem is still there after he has gone. If they sign a player properly, not on a year deal I’m less anti, but will hardly be over the moon until they prove themselves.

  • Comment 8, posted at 09.05.10 17:59:39 by Os Reply

  • basically the sharks wanted it more. but as for the stormers i will come down on schalk, vuki, january and the dumbass that keeps januarie and vuki in the team. i have never liked wookie and saturday backed my opinion up. he is slow, braindead and a liability to the stormers. january well lets just say it is may now well past januarie, so leave the past in the past. and then schalk, i have enjoyed schalks gameplay this season and i felt the captaincy has done him good, but saturday i realised he is a sore loser. he was all jovial at the start of the game, but as soon as things went against the stormers he started taking pot shots at sharks players. he made at least two swinging arm tackles and the tackle on ruan was cheap. this is not the calibre of player i want to see play for the boks. if the bulls want to win on saturday all they need to do is target him.

  • Comment 9, posted at 10.05.10 07:23:41 by try time Reply

  • oh and anyone notice that the only backline try scored on saturday had ryan in at centre, pity our braindead coaching staff won’t pick it up. πŸ™„

  • Comment 10, posted at 10.05.10 07:25:55 by try time Reply

  • and finally i thought rory was going to get me drunk on saturday with my new drinking game as he passed some good ball in the first 10 minutes. but alas it didn’t last long, he soon reverted back to his true selfish self.

  • Comment 11, posted at 10.05.10 07:28:24 by try time Reply

  • @try time (Comment 11) : Last I saw he’s passing was at 56 passes and the game was still far from over, and running meters by then was 47.

    Sucks when the stats goes against ones pet theories πŸ™„

  • Comment 12, posted at 10.05.10 07:34:29 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 12) : lol, so maybe he did get me drunk. πŸ˜† he did have a good game though as the stormers left huge gaps around the rucks. the passes i am talking about are those to flyhalf, not to forwards around the breakdown. but as he did have a good game and ruan shone at ten i am not going to nit pick. we need rory during the currie cup, so lets hope he keeps it up.

  • Comment 13, posted at 10.05.10 07:45:33 by try time Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 12) : but one thing that does back my argument up is that often another shark had to clear out in his place, because he was at the bottom of the ruck after going it alone. but i could also argue in his favour if i wanted to be fair and say, if i was a shark scrumhalf, i wouldn’t want to give attacking ball to our backs. swannie like getting hugged so he runs into opposition, and stefan thinks he can crawl through gaps. what i was most impressed with though is how many phases we put together. but as we have realised other than our loosies ruan and pat, we have no line breakers so we never threatened the try line. it looked as if ruan also didn’t want to give the ball to the centres as he kicked a lot rather than pass it to swannie.

  • Comment 14, posted at 10.05.10 07:53:00 by try time Reply

  • mvovu also seems to do more than jp. i have noticed that you see a lot more of mvovo in the game than you used to see of jp.

  • Comment 15, posted at 10.05.10 07:54:52 by try time Reply

  • “”while the Stormers were way off their best yesterday””
    I don’t agree with this statement Rob.
    The Stormers were not allowed to get their hands on the ball, and was tackled silly by our big guns πŸ˜› πŸ˜› πŸ˜›

  • Comment 16, posted at 10.05.10 07:57:07 by SharksRTB Reply

  • @SharksRTB (Comment 16) : I take it you didn’t notice all the unforced knock-ons, then?

  • Comment 17, posted at 10.05.10 08:02:26 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 17) : rubbish rob, wookie never knocked on once. πŸ˜† πŸ˜†

  • Comment 18, posted at 10.05.10 08:05:19 by try time Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 17) : I don’t think they were entirely unforced, in the first ten minutes they got blindsided by some great Sharks rugby and when they finally got their hands on the ball they were over eager to do something with it or get out of their own half…not to mention deysel, smit, alberts…coming at you.

  • Comment 19, posted at 10.05.10 08:07:45 by Letgo Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 18) : Wookie, yes, those were unforced…but who knoews why the stormers would still keep that guy in the team…I thought for sure Joe Peterson would replace him early in the second half, but then when Joe came on…wookie stayed on???

  • Comment 20, posted at 10.05.10 08:09:38 by Letgo Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 15) : Yes, Jp has been of his best for a while now…personal opinion, he’s bulked up to much since he first started. Still he’s a talented player, I think Pieter de villiers will do him a huge favor to leave him out of the Springbok squad and give him some game time in the CC.

  • Comment 21, posted at 10.05.10 08:12:24 by Letgo Reply
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  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 4) : Yes, please let the stormers win this time. They just need to play like they did against the Crusaders.

  • Comment 22, posted at 10.05.10 08:13:36 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 21) : agreed. i was impressed with basson over the weekend. he should be given a shot. i never really watched his defence though, but one of your wingers in a team must be able to attack high ball. it gives a team a lot more options.

  • Comment 23, posted at 10.05.10 08:19:59 by try time Reply

  • @Letgo (Comment 22) : the great thing is the bulls can rest players carrying niggles. so it does open the door for the stormers
    also the stormers have a day to plan as they will know by friday afternoon what they need to do to get a home semi.

  • Comment 24, posted at 10.05.10 08:22:34 by try time Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 5) : I think Ruan could be it, if he played inside Fourie du preez he would have enjoyed flyhalf more.

    Rory did have a great individual game, so it’s a little hard to bash him this time around, but his service to Ruan was poor. Ruan never or let me rather say rarely got the ball on the front foot…Rory’s passing just isn’t up to standard and it’s sad really, because if he could get that up to scratch he could be a brilliant scrummy. I still think the Sharks would do better to make McLeod and Ruan their number one combo and leave Rory on the bench until he decides to put some work into his passing and speed to the breakdown and getting the ball out to the backs.

    That being said, Rory/Ruan is a way better combo than Ruan/Goode. I don’t know why that ever happened. Was playing scrummy really more important to Ruan than giving the Sharks a better chance to get anywhere in this year’s tournament…that’s just a little selfish don’t you think?

  • Comment 25, posted at 10.05.10 08:22:48 by Letgo Reply
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  • Stupid Sharkscheetah’s πŸ‘Ώ :mrgreen:

  • Comment 26, posted at 10.05.10 08:27:09 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Well done Sharkos.The better team won, good stuffs!

  • Comment 27, posted at 10.05.10 08:28:02 by provincejoulekkading Reply
  • @try time (Comment 10) : Talking about a forward in the backline…I think there’s an even bigger argument for Burden at center. Ryan is our number one 8 and at least plays some awesome rugby from there, but Burden never gets game time and he’s one of the only guys in the Sharks team that can take a gap…what’s up with that.

    But see, now he’ll play hooker in the CC again and get no game time in the Super 15… I don’t like that at all, he’s to good not to be playing in the Super 15 and then guys like Swannie and Dries and Odwa and JP…Stefan keeps getting game time with no real attacking influence on the game. It sucks…Burden or Kanko for that matter should get a chance to show those backs how it’s done.

  • Comment 28, posted at 10.05.10 08:29:46 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 25) : thanks letgo, i thought i would have to go this alone. i also thought rory did little to help ruan. but ftl came with his stats and made me doubt myself.

  • Comment 29, posted at 10.05.10 08:30:08 by try time Reply

  • @provincejoulekkading (Comment 27) : Thanks…the better team on the day won…the better team of the Tournament better win against the Bulls next week. πŸ˜€

  • Comment 30, posted at 10.05.10 08:31:09 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 28) : but the alberts deysel botes combo is awesome, and ryan has created more backline tries than any of our centres. it is a tough call, but something has to be done about the centre pairing.

  • Comment 31, posted at 10.05.10 08:33:21 by try time Reply

  • @Letgo (Comment 30) : yeah i will be backing the stormers on saturday, as long as schalk apologises for being a pig and wookie and januarie are dropped. πŸ˜† πŸ˜†

  • Comment 32, posted at 10.05.10 08:34:20 by try time Reply

  • @try time (Comment 23) : I was also impressed by Basson. Where Lambie is probably the best defensive catcher in SA, Basson surely must be our best attacking catcher, a la Adam Ashley Cooper or Latham. One can’t help thinking he would most likely have held onto the ball from the cross-kick and scored after beating Aplon to the jump.

    And what has happened to Stefan??? Passes the ball at Swannie’s feet, holds onto the ball when he had Mvovs basically open on his outside, etc, etc. This has been going on for a few games now and, where he was our star backline player at the start of the season, he has become probably our worst. Is it a head thing? I know he’s a quality, professional player, but could it be that he has lost confidence now that Lambie has made the 15 jersey his own?

  • Comment 33, posted at 10.05.10 08:36:34 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 28) : Nah, Alberts is our number one 8. Choosing between Alberts/Deysel/Botes or Kanko/Deysel/Botes is a no brainer.

    Besides his ball-carrying abilities and the impact he makes on defense his scrumming power has been one of the reasons our forwards have dominated lately.

    I like Kanko, but he disappears when the games aren’t open, running affairs and to my mind is better suited as an impact forward.

  • Comment 34, posted at 10.05.10 08:44:03 by rhineshark Reply
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  • What a great game to watch!! It’s a real shame they couldn’t have hit this kind of form a bit earlier.

    I’m still not convinced by the backline – there was a lot of running by them and it looked really pretty, but there was not nearly enough STRAIGHT running in the backline. Mvovo was impressive I thought, Lambie was pretty solid (one error I believe), Ndungane seems to be shaping up – his handling was not great, but let’s face it, his handling has never been that great. Which brings us back to the centres………we need someone who can spark and make things happen in the midfield and that’s just not happening at the moment.

  • Comment 35, posted at 10.05.10 08:46:04 by MB1810 Reply

  • I started watching the game half hoping that it would be a highly entertaining game with the Stormers JUST winning it for the greater cause of 2 SA home semi finalists…..but as soon as the game started and I saw the commitment from the Sharks and their total dominance of the Stormers I couldn’t help but scream at the top of my lungs for the Sharks. Tactically they played a great game starving the dangerous Stormers backs of any quality ball. I nearly kicked my TV in frustration when Stefan butchered another try and my wife was telling me to calm down(luckily my aim was as crap as Kallie Wookies)

    As for our centres….I see Stefan being praised in some places and yes he did make TWG13 his biaaaatch but he made some very basic mistakes along the way as well…but I’m all for Burden and Kanko getting a shot there. As for the Stormers I don’t think they played badly(excluding Wookie) but the Sharks were just great. Sorry Stormers for leaving our best game of the season to be against you(ala Cheetah’s)

  • Comment 36, posted at 10.05.10 08:46:06 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 33) : don’t get me started on steffie, the less said the better. πŸ˜†

  • Comment 37, posted at 10.05.10 08:47:43 by try time Reply

  • @rhineshark (Comment 34) : more reason why ryan should be centre. in tight games you use the centres less but the loosies more.

  • Comment 38, posted at 10.05.10 08:48:51 by try time Reply

  • @rhineshark (Comment 33) : imagine lambie with a years experience under his belt. if he has a good cc, i wouldn’t be surprised seeing him on the plane to the 2011 rwc as the utility back.

  • Comment 39, posted at 10.05.10 08:50:30 by try time Reply

  • @try time (Comment 29) : It doesn’t matter how many passes Rory made… obviously he made a lot, we had many, many phases and rucks and it’s his job to take the ball from the scrum and the rucks and the mauls. It’s not about how many passes he made…according to he made 62 passes, kicked 6 times, carried the ball 11 times and made 3 line breaks. Okay so, what does those stats mean. It looks fine on their own. I think 11 ball carries is a little to much, but with 3 line breaks that could potentially have ended in tries, I’m also fine with that.

    But then there was 14 sharks scrums and 12 line-outs, which would mean only about 34 of Kockett’s passes came from rucks, which is shockingly low if you start to think about the amount of phases the Sharks put together in this game. I know the scrummy doesn’t take every ball from the set pieces, so 34 is probably not precisely accurate, but mostly set pieces goes through the scrummy to the Flyhalf. All I’m saying, I don’t think he’s attendance at rucks are where it should be, thus the service to the backs or forwards running on to the ball becomes either bad or slow.

    Talking about slow, even when he takes the ball out of the ruck, it’s always just that second or two, to slow giving the defenders a chance to regroup and to add onto that, the ball is rarely passed as crisply as you would expect from a scrummy.

    The point is, Kockett is a great general rugby player, but he is below par in the main duties of a scrumhalf.

  • Comment 40, posted at 10.05.10 08:54:14 by Letgo Reply
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  • what pleases me most is the final could be played on neutral ground in sa, somewhere where a high profile game can only benefit the game as a whole. unfortunately this is a hot potato subject on this site, but i think it is good for sa rugby.

  • Comment 41, posted at 10.05.10 08:57:29 by try time Reply

  • @Letgo (Comment 40) : thanks letgo. i won’t argue with you there. i found he was under the ruch far too many times. leaving the clearing out to other players.

  • Comment 42, posted at 10.05.10 08:59:42 by try time Reply

  • @Letgo (Comment 40) : did you watch the cheetahs game? how was their new scrumhalf? i thought he was excellent. his service was sweet, and he was a pest around the breakdown and set pieces. a good sign for the future when fourie finally retires from bok rugby next year.

  • Comment 43, posted at 10.05.10 09:03:12 by try time Reply

  • @MB1810 (Comment 35) : I don’t agree though, Kanko is no1 and not just because he’s such a great runner, he’s good of the back of the scrum and gives good ball to the back and can make a break from the scrums at any time, he’s a good line-out option, going up for the ball and when we put him into space at the back and as a loosie he still gets enough ball in space when the game opens up and also goes back for the high kicks enough to make some breaks from the backs.

    Center on the other hand could put more restraint on his game than you would think, because a center always needs to be next to his fly-half.

    All, I’m saying is…it would take a brave man to make that move, especially since there is no way to know if it would work, or how the player would feel about it, especially since he’s still probably considered as second best in SA just behind Spies, why would he do it?

    Burden on the other hand…well…what do we have to lose and what does he have to lose, really?

  • Comment 44, posted at 10.05.10 09:18:28 by Letgo Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 43) : Yip, great player. He was a big part of Griqaus success last year and he has been a big part of the Cheetahs few wins the past couple weeks. They’ve been playing way better since starting with him.

  • Comment 45, posted at 10.05.10 09:22:08 by Letgo Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 39) : I definitely agree with you there. On current form he has to SA’s best fullback, considering Kirchner hasn’t done much lately and Pietersen has just come off an injury.

  • Comment 46, posted at 10.05.10 09:23:29 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 40) : Lies, damn lies and statistics :mrgreen:

  • Comment 47, posted at 10.05.10 09:24:26 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 44) : it is not like we are going to lose a chance for a super 14 playoff position if we try. better than stuffing around during the cc and putting ourselves under pressure don’t you think.

  • Comment 48, posted at 10.05.10 09:26:39 by try time Reply

  • @rhineshark (Comment 46) : pdv might have to snap him up then before plum turns him into a flyhalf.

  • Comment 49, posted at 10.05.10 09:28:06 by try time Reply

  • GO SHARKS !!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 50, posted at 10.05.10 09:29:52 by Charlie Reply

  • @Charlie (Comment 50) : when you playing again. or is your injury really serious?

  • Comment 51, posted at 10.05.10 09:33:32 by try time Reply

  • @try time (Comment 51) : Comeback for Currie Cup hopefully before the second round πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 52, posted at 10.05.10 09:52:42 by Charlie Reply

  • @Charlie (Comment 52) : yeah no-one appreciates you until you are injured. πŸ˜†

  • Comment 53, posted at 10.05.10 10:03:43 by try time Reply

  • @try time (Comment 53) : So true

  • Comment 54, posted at 10.05.10 10:05:24 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @try time (Comment 53) : @FireTheLooser (Comment 54) : 😈 😈 😈

  • Comment 55, posted at 10.05.10 10:11:49 by Charlie Reply

  • Yeah well I don`t know what to make of this really.

    Relieved that we managed to scrape a decent performance together at last Yes!

    Then I look at the log and see we did exactly the sort of thing I`ve been accusing the Cheetahs of in my article . . . saving our best for local opposition with the intent of up ending the apple cart.
    Stormers are our fellow coastal province and while there might not be any love lost between us, at least they and their fans don`t treat us sharks supporters with the sort of contempt that we get from the Bulls.
    Add to this the fact that I`ve been looking forward to this weekends` ” big showdown ” at Newlands, ( got our tickets ages ago! ) and now suddenly it`s a non event. Chances are the Bulls might rest some of their players! They won`t go overboard cause I`m sure they`d like to hold on to their momentum but still, it could`ve been a crunch game . . now it`s not.

    Well Done Sharks. If only you played like this for 12 weeks in stead of one, us supporters wouldn`t have to see this season as a complete failure.

  • Comment 56, posted at 10.05.10 10:55:13 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • Ha ha, Robdylan’s article of appeasement…….”by concedig that, while the Stormers were way off their best yesterday”…. nonsense and an insult to the Sharks. As one of the Stormers suggested they were flat, to which Kobus Wiese (who is NOT a Sharks praise singer) rightly mentioned that they were’nt flat but rather flattened. The fact is the Stormers were badly bullied and they had no answer to the physical onslaught.

    I said it last week, Stormers were not taking this game seriously enough.

  • Comment 57, posted at 10.05.10 11:09:59 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 56) :
    I thought you wouldnt be too happy with the result.

  • Comment 58, posted at 10.05.10 11:15:22 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 53) : @FireTheLooser (Comment 54) : Everyone have their own right of opinion, some will love you, some will hate you πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 59, posted at 10.05.10 11:22:19 by Charlie Reply

  • Well Sharks it was a great game and me a proud supporter

    Well done to the Sharks team

    We went out with our heads up high its not the end of the world but a begining for CC and S15 :mrgreen:

  • Comment 60, posted at 10.05.10 16:35:05 by Chaz Reply


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