Pienaar underlines his class

Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super 14 on 10 May 2010 at 08:51
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Ruan Pienaar put in the sort of performance on Saturday that should confound his critics and once again open up the debate about which position suits his skills best. Those seeking to reinstate Pienaar at flyhalf on a permanent basis are missing the point, though.

Thing is, Pienaar is a superbly talented rugby player and always has been. Written off as ‘overrated’ by at least one punter on this site, the maverick Sharks delivered a breathtaking display of flyhalf play that completely overshadowed the dog’s breakfast dished up by opponent Peter Grant. It was on the basis of showings like this that Pienaar won the Bok flyhalf jersey in 2008 and certainly on the weekend’s form alone is clearly the best pivot in the land.

Problem is, though, you never really know what you’re going to get with Pienaar. While my personal feeling is that he’s never delivered a truly shocking performance at flyhalf, he’s nonetheless been pretty close on occasion and appears to lack the self-confidence to right himself during a game when things start off badly. Pienaar desperately needs the backing of a coach who will support him through these bad patches – if he’s to play flyhalf regularly – and he knows as well as the rest of us do that he does not have that in Peter de Villiers. Being dropped for poor goal-kicking, despite being in good form all-round, has left an indelible mark on the player and I fear that the opportunity to use Pienaar as an international flyhalf has been squandered.

So where does that leave the Sharks? In a quandary, for sure, since based on Saturday’s showing, Pienaar is the best flyhalf we have. Problem is, he doesn’t want to play there, since he’s convinced that his best shot at a regular Bok place will be to play at scrumhalf every week and it would be churlish to deny that he is superb in that position too and far more consistently.

Whatever the case, Pienaar is unlikely to see any Currie Cup action this year, making it extremely important for the Sharks to develop a young flyhalf this season. My call, despite some opposition, is still for Pat Lambie to make the switch, while Guy Cronje is another who could develop into a matchwinner at flyhalf if allowed to settle.


  • Pieter div should pick Ruan at 10 and Morne Steyn at 12. That solves the kicking problem. Jean div is not available for selection and our next best 12 of the season was Wynand…I’s rather select morne at 12, and tell Ruan he won’t be contested for the 10 jersey. That will help with his confidence. I wouldn’t even have a 10 back-up on the bench. Have wynand on the bench. Morne can move to 10 if Ruan gets injured.

    South Africa needs fly-halfs and has many, many scrummy’s coaches needs to start picking one of SA’s better fly-halfs at 10.

  • Comment 1, posted at 10.05.10 09:28:38 by Letgo Reply
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  • as i have said countless times before, take the place kicking duties away from ruan and he will be great. as soon as his boot lets the team down he loses confidence and messes up. if joe pitersen is in the bok squad i would start with ruan. morne has had an average season. yes he is the highest points scorer this year, but that is due more to his team than himself.

  • Comment 2, posted at 10.05.10 09:32:51 by try time Reply

  • @Letgo (Comment 1) : @try time (Comment 2) : finally some folks with sense.

    Don’t let the Nulle read your comments, they’ll spill their brannas-en-coke on the spot.

  • Comment 3, posted at 10.05.10 09:51:39 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @Letgo (Comment 1) : Hokaai Sussie!!! Ruan plays one good game at 10 and now suddenly he should be the the starting Bok 10….come now be realistic. 😯 Ruan’s style of play doesn’t suit the Boks style of play anyway.

  • Comment 4, posted at 10.05.10 09:52:58 by Pokkel Reply
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  • On current form, and stress current form, Ruan is the best scrummie in the country and on Saturday’s performance the best FH. Personally I don’t subscribe to the kicking theory. His conversion of Odway’s try was exceptional. Give him a full week with Naas or Morne’s coach to groove his technique.

    Many will worry about his defence, but Sat he was huge and certainly has pace, as evidenced by catching TWG13 from behind.

    Great game Sharks. Oh and lest I forget Plum has stumled on an awesome loose trio. Kanko certainly blasted Dwayne (Duans) reputation, and Deysel & Alberts nailed the “best trio” (not) in the land. Kanko had freedom to express. Big up to the front row, and Barney’s best tackling performance in ages. Tiaan now knows what it takes to be regarded as a potential Bok, and I’m afraid he’s only about 5th in the queue.

    And for once I wasn’t concerned with Dickenson’s blowing and the biaised penalty count, so dominant were the Sharks.

  • Comment 5, posted at 10.05.10 09:56:22 by Bayshark Reply

  • @Letgo (Comment 1) : @FireTheLooser (Comment 3) : Hey TT I often agree with you but you can’t stake that claim after ONE game……..Ruan played a couple of games at 10 in the start of the season and that didn’t go well… be brutally honest the Sharks only started winning when Goode arrived πŸ™„

  • Comment 6, posted at 10.05.10 09:57:03 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 4) : Not based on this game Pokkel, not based on this game.

  • Comment 7, posted at 10.05.10 10:05:39 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 4) : Based on every other game Ruan has played at FH, for the Sharks, but especially for the Boks. He’s better than Morne and that’s just fact.

  • Comment 8, posted at 10.05.10 10:06:40 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 6) : to be honest pokkel, no-one played well in the first few games, and i think plum must carry the can for this. he decided to focus on fitness training until the warmup games, and only started skills training just before the s14 started. Secondly Steve ‘Hof’meyer was supposed to start so ruan would have been training inside him during these skill sessions. during the lions tour ruans play wasn’t at fault, but his goal kicking that opened the door for the naas clone.

  • Comment 9, posted at 10.05.10 10:09:08 by try time Reply

  • @Bayshark (Comment 5) : i said when it goes wrong, like it did during the lions tour. not that his kicking is always shocking.

  • Comment 10, posted at 10.05.10 10:10:46 by try time Reply

  • @Pokkel (Comment 4) : Morne has been playing with the top of the log team al season and has not yet delivered anything really special. His kicking is fine, his passing is fine, his overall gameplay is fine, but put him under a little pressure and he starts making ordinary decisions.

    Ruan should never have been replaced for the Boks in the first place, and that because he didn’t have the best kicking performance. We all know the only reason Morne is getting picked over Ruan is because of he’s reliable kicking. Not even his tactical kicking…or lets rather say, attacking tactical kicking is as good as Ruan’s. Ruan is a more talented player and with regular game time and confidence and support from his coaches he has potential to become a world class FH – Morne on the other hand is as good as he’ll ever be.

  • Comment 11, posted at 10.05.10 10:11:41 by Letgo Reply
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  • ruan needs to know that if his kicks start going wayward there is someone in the team that can take over. this takes the pressure off him and he plays well at flyhalf.

  • Comment 12, posted at 10.05.10 10:13:29 by try time Reply

  • Well I must say the Sharks really did play well and credit to them, I am sure I am not the only one who wish, that we had played like that all season. The team on the field must have been the strongest one we have fielded all season long. But other than that the winning factor and main difference between both teams was actually the motivation the Sharks all of a sudden had to win a game. We all know we have the talent but one must wonder if the problem is not that of a motivation rather than lack of skills?? I think Saturday proved that to all of us. JdP had his best game I have ever seen. How does a guy change like that over night? I can only imagine it must be motivation. πŸ˜†

  • Comment 13, posted at 10.05.10 10:15:49 by Uli Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 11) : ‘His kicking is fine, his passing is fine, his overall gameplay is fine, but put him under a little pressure and he starts making ordinary decisions.’ Like the lack of BMT he showed when he slotted THAT final penalty in the 2nd Lions test.
    A team doesn’t win 10 from 12 in the S14 without a good FH. Ruan is just way to inconsistant and unless he can develop the mental strenght and consistancy you cannot justify him playing for the Boks ahead of Steyn( and don’t get me wrong I’m no Morne Steyn fan)

  • Comment 14, posted at 10.05.10 10:16:25 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Btw…this weekend Ruan delivered a better game at flyhalf than Morne have all season and that after playing scrummy the whole season and only ever getting average service from his scrummy. That has to count for something. Imagine what he could do with a whole se at FH behind him…that’s the logic I’m thinking with.

  • Comment 15, posted at 10.05.10 10:16:41 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 15) : I agree that Ruan was great THIS weekend….but we need to see this consistantly…see comment 14

  • Comment 16, posted at 10.05.10 10:19:24 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @ try time (Comment 12)

    You are right, I think though the main thing is does he actually want to play there if its yes, them well lets all go for it and get behind this guy coz yes he does have talent. Get Kockett to play scrummy and we have a good pair to take the kicks at goal anytime.

    If he doesn’t want to play FH then let it be, get behind him as he will be the next scrummy after FdP goes to japan.

  • Comment 17, posted at 10.05.10 10:20:49 by Uli Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 13) : yeah i am pleased jannie cleaned up his game and acted like a doctor, not a politician. suddenly sharks fans are starting to retract their du plessis hate campaign and actually give the two the accolades they deserve. sharks fans aren’t bulls fans, we don’t support thugs. it will be sad if they take up the melbourne offer.

  • Comment 18, posted at 10.05.10 10:21:16 by try time Reply

  • @Pokkel (Comment 14) : Slotting a penalty just brings us back to his only real strength. And a team can win the Super 14 with a pretty ordinary FH if the coach knows that players strengths and don’t ask him to do much more than that. Morne feeds the ball to his backs and kicks for touch that’s basically it. Fourie and Wynand and Spies and… others takes on all the attacking responsibility.

    And just to make it clear…Morne is not a bad or ordinary FH, he is a good FH. A good FH playing with confidence at this moment. He would not be a bad options for the Boks, but (I believe) he won’t get any better than he is now. He already does everything he can do.

    Playing Ruan is the better option…and playing him there regularly, because he has more potential to grow into an exceptional FH…something SA has not really ever had, since we always seem to prefer the good solid FH.

  • Comment 19, posted at 10.05.10 10:24:12 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 14) : i think ruan has always got the raw deal. during last years s14 he got injured as he started his fh career. he then went into the lions series and his boot let him down. this year he is told he is first choice scrummie, 2 days before the first s14 game steve meyer pulls out throwing ruan in the deep end again. you cannot judge on performance alone, you have to look at the players form around him and other circumstances.

  • Comment 20, posted at 10.05.10 10:24:54 by try time Reply

  • Keep Ruan @ 10…Kockett jou doring ! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 21, posted at 10.05.10 10:26:16 by Charlie Reply

  • @Uli (Comment 17) : i agree. ruan is a confidence player, so he must want it. i don’t care where he plays as long as he plays.

  • Comment 22, posted at 10.05.10 10:26:45 by try time Reply

  • Here we go again. One good game at flyhalf and he is suddenly the best in the land. Delusional!!

  • Comment 23, posted at 10.05.10 10:27:42 by wpw Reply

  • Comment 24, posted at 10.05.10 10:28:48 by Charlie Reply

  • @Pokkel (Comment 16) : He’ll get consistently great with regular game time and consistent support from his coaches. As soon as he had a few games at scrummy you just know the best player on the field will be Ruan and I don’t think this will be any different for FH if he gets some consistent support from his coaches.

  • Comment 25, posted at 10.05.10 10:28:59 by Letgo Reply
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  • ok i have a poll for the worst player of the weekend
    danie roussouw
    schalk burger

    pity in polls you can’t vote for all four.

  • Comment 26, posted at 10.05.10 10:29:54 by try time Reply

  • @wpw (Comment 23) : he has only played one game at flyhalf. be fair.

  • Comment 27, posted at 10.05.10 10:30:39 by try time Reply

  • I actually think Ruan would have enjoyed this game at FH a lot. He had way more responsibility and was in control of the game more than he ever was at 9. I can’t imagine it’s fun to play 9 when you don’t want to pass to you 10, because he know he might just mess up the good ball you gave him.

  • Comment 28, posted at 10.05.10 10:31:20 by Letgo Reply
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  • Guys we had numzaan loose trio this last weekend!

  • Comment 29, posted at 10.05.10 10:31:56 by Uli Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 26) : Wookie

  • Comment 30, posted at 10.05.10 10:31:58 by Letgo Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 23) : Wat’s jou storie, hope your team can beat a second string Bulls team πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 31, posted at 10.05.10 10:32:24 by Charlie Reply

  • NAKALIVUKI !!! 😈 😈 😈

  • Comment 32, posted at 10.05.10 10:32:56 by Charlie Reply

  • @ comment 5 Bayshark. (Sorry for some reason cant click on the arrow) Have to agree with you. How awesome was our loose trio? The exact loose trio I have been wanting from the start.

    Ruan and Kockott outplayed Grant and Dewalt. Kockott was at his best on Saturday. With Ruan think just leave Ruan at FH now. We don’t have any other that is as good there. My feeling has always been if Ruan plays FH for a whole season he will be a superb FH. If he misses kicks so be it, don’t put pressure on him cause he missed the kick, the kicking will get sorted, we leave him there he will grow with huge confidence in that postion. I think if could be our best FH if left there. Not just the Sharks but for the Boks too.

    Smit at Hooker was outstanding. Our whole front row was superb.
    Hargreaves and Sykes too played well.

    Also think Mvovo played well. Pity about not taking that high ball when he beat Aplon over the line there. He should too have started from the Chiefs game. Now think it will be Odwa or JPP having to play for that postion back. Think it will be JPP as he has more class than Odwa just out of form for now. Then we would have two big wings. Great to have that. Lambie was solid again and think that FB position is his now.

    Stefan again never passed, if he had just passed to Mvovo that was a try for sure. Stefans defence was great though agains JF. Swannie played a lot better as well.

    I think we have a back line now πŸ˜› Just need someone to replace Stefan then we sorted.

    From 1 – 15 this time we played well.

    Now if some bad calls never went our way in some of the games we could be right there playing for a semi spot next week. To think we only lost 2 games without getting a losing bonus point from not losing by 7. That was against the Saders and Bulls. Two top teams. Though we had chances against the Bulls too to get try or two that went begging.

    Now for next year. Cant wait. John too is looking fit and in superb shape. Must have lost more than 10kg.

  • Comment 33, posted at 10.05.10 10:33:00 by Puma Reply

  • any news on willems injury. i hope it isn’t too serious. he has a month to recover though.

  • Comment 34, posted at 10.05.10 10:34:20 by try time Reply

  • @ Letgo (Comment 28)

    I agree with you but I must say Kockett had a blinder and that helped Pienaar allot with his game as well. Kockett pased the ball way more than what we are used to and ran the ball on exactly the right times. The combination between the two of them was a perfect one on the weekend.

  • Comment 35, posted at 10.05.10 10:36:23 by Uli Reply
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  • Ruan will play 10 in the first few bok games anyway, because the stormers and the bulls players won’t be available for selection. He can use that opportunity to prove his quality to everyone.

  • Comment 36, posted at 10.05.10 10:36:31 by Letgo Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 23) : πŸ˜›

    If Ruan gets game time there and plenty of it he will be a superb FH. I have believe that he will be our best. No player can ever play his best if just switched all the time. Leave Ruan to play FH until the wc next year and watch he will be our best.

    How you wpw? You looking forward to the biggie at Newlands this week? Are you going to the game? Wonder if Bulls will rest their top players? Probably don’t need to play them now.

  • Comment 37, posted at 10.05.10 10:41:20 by Puma Reply

  • @Letgo (Comment 36) : Yes you right πŸ™‚ forgot about that.

  • Comment 38, posted at 10.05.10 10:43:45 by Puma Reply

  • @Pokkel (Comment 14) : >> A team doesn’t win 10 from 12 in the S14 without a good FH.

    I think the Bulls just proved that it is possible πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 39, posted at 10.05.10 10:45:49 by MysticShark Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 36) : Actually all the Boks even playing in semi and final of the S14 will be available for the French game. So only see Ruan playing against Wales. Maybe Kockott could get a call up. Seeing all the Stormers and Bulls players wont get selected for that game. Maybe Lambie can get capped there too πŸ˜› Though think he will be with the u20’s then.

  • Comment 40, posted at 10.05.10 10:46:51 by Puma Reply

  • you know what? i recall the stormers allowing bulls easy tries knocking sharks out of playoffs not so long ago. so thrash them bulls, thrash them. 😈

  • Comment 41, posted at 10.05.10 10:47:11 by try time Reply

  • @Puma (Comment 40) : i would rather put that cheetahs/griquas laaitjie in.

  • Comment 42, posted at 10.05.10 10:49:41 by try time Reply

  • Well done to the Tjorks. They certainly got the better of the Stormers, and yes Ruan played his part. But honestly lets not jump to saviour status after one game.

    The Tjorks won on Saturday because the pack, especially your loosies fronted up.

    That made the difference – without that – Pienaar would have spent the evening going backwards.

  • Comment 43, posted at 10.05.10 10:49:42 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 43) :

    Look yeah, I wasn’t about to join this debate but will say the following;

    * As mentioned 1000000 times before, Ruan needs to be given an extended run at 10, he has the goods to become very good.

    * The Sharks as a collective were amazing.

    * Morne Steyn still the best 10 in SA though, he has had a brilliant season with the Bulls and added some dimension to his game of last year of which I was critical of then, but has stepped up massively this year.

  • Comment 44, posted at 10.05.10 10:53:30 by MornΓ© Reply
  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 43) : you can argue the same about morne. if it wasn’t for the bulls forwards and fdp, morne would look average. and he did last year when the bok forwards started to get shunted backwards.

  • Comment 45, posted at 10.05.10 10:53:35 by try time Reply

  • You are absolutely right about PDV. He should have backed up Ruan as his flyhalf and shouldn,t have dropped him only because of his bad place kicking in one or two games. Ruan must have been feeled betrayed and now he knows he can not trust PDV. So he reverted back to scrummy and I suspect he’ll stay there. It doesn’t matter how well he plays as PDV is a weak person and follows others’ opinions and the people’s demand ( and perhaps seniors players as well) is to play FDP and Morne.

  • Comment 46, posted at 10.05.10 10:53:38 by tedanica Reply
  • I’ve always said that Ruan could be great flyhalf IF he gets the game time there and I for one have been begging Plum to play him there the whole S14 but would he have had the confidence to play there if he didn’t gain the confidence by playing brilliantly at 9 and then moving to 10 for the last 20min? I still think Ran could be the next great SA FH(and they’ve been few and far between) all he needs is to sort out his temprament

  • Comment 47, posted at 10.05.10 10:55:05 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 45) : and he wasn’t that flash when the blues shunted the bulls forwards backwards earlier this year. look at peter grant he has looked great all season until the sharks forwards smashed the stormers. so i suppose we can deduce your flyhalf is as great as your forwards. look how carter made steyn look average on friday. so lets not blow morne out of perspective.

  • Comment 48, posted at 10.05.10 10:58:11 by try time Reply

  • Look, Ruan has so much talent it’s freakish. He can become the best in his position no matter where he plays in the backline (probably besides wing) if he gets to develop there.

    The problem is that he will never develop in one position as an international player, because he wants to play scrummie and there’s no way that PdV is going to pick anyone other than Januarie as backup to FdP.

    Bar major injury problems at 9 and 10 this means Ruan will do duty as a utility back – forever destined to play 10-20 minutes a game as fullback or flyhalf or wherever the Bok coach decides to use him.

  • Comment 49, posted at 10.05.10 11:12:02 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 49) : sad… πŸ˜₯

  • Comment 50, posted at 10.05.10 11:19:05 by Letgo Reply
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  • Im not sure Ruan is a future number 10. He looks far more settled and confident at 9. This does pose a problem as Kockett had a stormer and is useful too, but what updates on the rumour he will be fleeing after the super 14? Also, although Lambie may be an option at 10, the sharks have a track record of destroying rather than improving peoples careers by playing them out of position and besides, with Stef nearing retirement and Ludick a walking injury, shouldnt our best number 15 be kept at 15?

  • Comment 51, posted at 10.05.10 12:01:34 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • Don’t forget that taht Ruan played at 10 on SAT. only becuase Andy was injured not because of Plumtree,s wise move or Ruan’s willingness to play flyhalf.

  • Comment 52, posted at 10.05.10 13:37:57 by tedanica Reply
  • @tedanica (Comment 52) : Andy has been injured from game one…has been hopping along game after game…they just didn’t want to make that move. Lets see what our combinations are this week.

  • Comment 53, posted at 10.05.10 13:49:59 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 53) :

    I bet the reason you like Ruan so much is his rugged looks!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 54, posted at 10.05.10 14:06:14 by wpw Reply
  • @tedanica (Comment 52) : Almost every single improvement to the sharks team this season has been injury enforced. Interesting…

  • Comment 55, posted at 10.05.10 14:44:24 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 54) : damn right. it is actually his mono brow that turns me on the most. and that thick afrikaner accent when he talks really gets me hot and bothered. i want to be the player 23 when he is mom. weehoo. πŸ˜†

  • Comment 56, posted at 10.05.10 14:52:32 by try time Reply

  • @Pablo Dinero (Comment 55) : so you are hinting we should injure a few other players. i could offer suggestions. πŸ˜†

  • Comment 57, posted at 10.05.10 14:53:20 by try time Reply

  • @try time (Comment 57) : Actually that just might work. The problem is if we injure any more centers, the sharks are going to either have to call up some schoolboys or put Trevor Halstead and Jeremy Thompson back in black…

  • Comment 58, posted at 10.05.10 15:05:30 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 54) :
    Actually Ruan is very well built and moves like a ballet dancer..

  • Comment 59, posted at 10.05.10 15:12:22 by tedanica Reply
  • @try time (Comment 56) : I don’t mind the accent as he still has the manners to answer in English when interviewed in English, unlike the windgat mullethead Hougaard! πŸ‘Ώ

  • Comment 60, posted at 10.05.10 15:31:09 by Bayshark Reply

  • @Bayshark (Comment 60) : only him? it is an international broadcast and both the cheetahs mom and the bulls mom spoke in afrikaans. i don’t think it is acceptable. you don’t hear the french or argies speak their home language during the rwc when interviewed. as much as i don’t mind peeing off the kiwis and aussies, it is a courtesy to foreign viewers that stayed up late or got up early to watch the games.

  • Comment 61, posted at 10.05.10 15:42:47 by try time Reply

  • @Pablo Dinero (Comment 58) : and the problem is… ❓

  • Comment 62, posted at 10.05.10 15:43:22 by try time Reply

  • @try time (Comment 61) : Hear hear. Damn right. It’s not easy if you’re uncomfortable in your second language but dammit, you played a kiwi and an aussie team, there are overseas spectators watching the broadcast, at least make an effort or apologize beforehand.

  • Comment 63, posted at 10.05.10 16:04:40 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @Bayshark (Comment 60) : And when mullethead Hougaard answered in Afrikaans, half of what he said was in English anyway.

  • Comment 64, posted at 10.05.10 16:35:27 by rhineshark Reply
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  • Written off as β€˜overrated’ by at least one punter on this site,

    Lol. Thinly veiled Robbo!

    I’m honestly astounded that there are punters on thsi site that rate Ruan at the best in anything based on one game right at the end of the season.

    Guys like grant, Fourie, Pretorius (Sarel), Steyn etc have delivered all season long. And that is why, with the exception of Pretorius, those players’ teams are first and second on the log.

    Tell me something – if Ruan is so good why is it that of the countless coaches he’s played under during his professional career none has played him as incumbent at either flyhalf or scrumhalf? Are all these coaches wrong or do you need to face up to the fact that he never really delivers? Yes, he played a good game on the weekend when it didnt count.
    Even Jake White, who famously declared Ruan the next Stephen Larkham, didnt pick him regularly.
    Ditto PdV, Muir, Plumtree etc.

    Ruan is now 26 years old and is more than halfway through his career and he’s never been able to declare himself the best scrummie or flyhalf, even at Natal, not to mention with the Boks.

    Yes there’s a case to be made that coaches have buggered him around a bit but he now has more than fifty super rugby caps, almost 30 Bok caps yet he still hasnt convinced one coach that he’s the best scrummie or flyhalf, even in his own province.

    That’s five years as a professional rugby player and not one coach has thought him a long-term solution.

    Sorry guys, I know I’ll get slated for this, but many, many other players have had similar problems with coaches wanting to shift them around and most have risen above it and nailed down the starting berth.

    Earlier today KSA said Ruan needs just one chance. Almost 100 caps in super and interantional rugby over 5 seasons under a plethora of different coaches tells me he’s had more than the one chance we’re all screaming for.
    I’m sorry I just dont think he’s better than the Bok incumbents, Not even better than the second choice.

    I feel fro the guy but if truth be told he’s had five seasons to either prove his worth at SH or FH or move to another province. He hasnt done either.

    Letgo, with all due respect do you think an axis of Du Preez, Ruan and Steyn will be better than Du Preez, Steyn and Grant/WO/Adi/JdV?
    And this after one good game while he’s been largely anonymous for the preceding 11 games?

    Again I’m sorry to offend but its just my opinion.

  • Comment 65, posted at 10.05.10 19:12:46 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • @Letgo (Comment 15) :

    so, of the 11 games they’ve played this season you think Ruan is better because he played better this weekend?

    You got topless poster of him above your bed letgo?

  • Comment 66, posted at 10.05.10 19:14:55 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • @try time (Comment 48) :

    No dude, but every flyhalf does better when his pack is moving forward.
    Carter’s aslo looked average when the saders got pushed around.

    The difference between Morne and Ruan is that Morne has proved himself already, Ruan is just the “freakishly talented” player who forever needs to settle down.
    Morne’s proved himself, ruan is forever threatening to and never does.

  • Comment 67, posted at 10.05.10 19:17:34 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • Vin, I was talking about Wes!!! Honest πŸ™‚

  • Comment 68, posted at 10.05.10 19:30:27 by robdylan Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 54) : not just letgo Chaz and mmmm Rugbygirl to well i think its her name not sure sorry if i’m wrong πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 69, posted at 10.05.10 19:30:46 by Chaz Reply

  • @Charlie (Comment 24) : πŸ˜† :mrgreen:

  • Comment 70, posted at 10.05.10 19:32:18 by Chaz Reply

  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 66) : wish me had and oh my πŸ˜†

  • Comment 71, posted at 10.05.10 19:34:01 by Chaz Reply

  • Well me off for the night cheers till 2 morrow

    :mrgreen: GO SHARKS GO :mrgreen:

  • Comment 72, posted at 10.05.10 19:40:06 by Chaz Reply

  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 65) :
    Sorry but you obviously didn’t watch Sharks games this year. Ruan was not average in previous 11 games, he was average in his first ones being rusty after operation but brilliant on the tour and agianst the Reds and Blues as well. Nobody can deny that.
    And about the last game just an excerpt from Archie Henderson in The
    “The telling disparity, however, was at halfback. You wonder at times where John Plumtree’s mind is, playing Andy Goode ahead of Ruan Pienaar at flyhalf.

    It’s not so much that Goode is an average player, it also means limiting a rare talent like Rory Kockott to the bench.

    Kockott’s sniping around the fringes was largely the reason for Dewaldt Duvenhage’s first poor game of the season, and he helped to keep up the pressure on the Stormers.

    Pienaar was on another level. We’ve always known that, with his hand speed and lateral vision, he is the best distributor in our rugby. Against the Stormers, it was his pinpoint passing that helped to turn ordinary three-quarters into stars on the night. “

  • Comment 73, posted at 10.05.10 19:48:30 by tedanica Reply
  • @rhineshark (Comment 64) :

    I was going to vent about how the BOERE who are so anti English and Anti anything that isn’t pure boer use more flippen English in their afrikaans than actual afrikaans.


    It’s like the arabs, they all want to blow up America but ALL their fast food joints are American, 90% of their cars are American, all their construction and industry standards are american


  • Comment 74, posted at 10.05.10 19:57:05 by KSA Shark Β© Reply

    KSA Shark Β©
  • @KSA Shark Β© (Comment 74) : can I moderate you? πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 75, posted at 10.05.10 21:15:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • @KSA Shark Β© (Comment 74) :

    Sheesh mate – thats maybe taking freedom of speech to another level…

  • Comment 76, posted at 10.05.10 21:27:21 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • @tedanica (Comment 73) :

    I have watched almost every sharks game this year.
    I just dont agree with you.

    Id anyway rather have a reliable flyhalf than one who blows hot and cold.
    We’ll have this conversation again next year and the year after that and the comments will all be the same but he’ll still be battling to nail down a regular starting position.

    Lets put it another way – 15 mins left in the WC final and we’re leading the convicts by 4 points.
    Ruan is very definitely not the guy I want on the field at that point!

  • Comment 77, posted at 10.05.10 21:29:56 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • 😯 πŸ‘Ώ πŸ™

  • Comment 78, posted at 10.05.10 21:32:45 by diablo Reply

  • @KSA Shark Β© (Comment 74) : Guess who’s going to america and burning all his bridges while he’s at it. 😯 πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 79, posted at 10.05.10 21:36:48 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 77) : ‘I have watched almost every sharks game this year’

    And you call yourself a Sharks fan. πŸ˜‰ πŸ˜†

  • Comment 80, posted at 10.05.10 21:38:15 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 80) :

    Nope – I’m a stormers fan mate.

  • Comment 81, posted at 10.05.10 21:39:16 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 81) : Should have seen your hippie styles a mile away

  • Comment 82, posted at 10.05.10 21:45:41 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 82) :

    πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€ πŸ˜€

  • Comment 83, posted at 10.05.10 21:47:36 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • VinChainSaw for President!!! :mrgreen: 😈

  • Comment 84, posted at 11.05.10 07:46:09 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 54) : I like Ruan because sure he’s probably one of the more handsome players, but I like Ruan the player, because he has awesome talent and I believe he can won many more games for the Sharks and the Boks…at FH.

  • Comment 85, posted at 11.05.10 07:48:11 by Letgo Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 66) : Um no…do you have a few of Morne or Grant??? πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 86, posted at 11.05.10 07:49:25 by Letgo Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 65) : Yes, I do think an axis where Ruan is involved at 10 would be way better than any axis where Grant or Morne is at 10. I’d actually rahter want Jdv next to Ruan or Steyntjie, but since they’re not available Morne wouldn’t be a bad option. Wynand Olivier has been playing some good rugby this year, but I still don’t rate him as a good option at inside center for the Boks. De jong is the other option, but he’s still a little inexperienced and I would rather see him play another season or two of CC and s15 rugby.

  • Comment 87, posted at 11.05.10 07:53:36 by Letgo Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 77) : I don’t see why not. You’ll have to elaborate on that. There is no reason why you wouldn’t want Ruan on the field at that point of the game. What would he do? How would he cost us the game? His defending is just as good and better than Morne’s, his tactical kicking is just about on par with Morne,…maybe you’d want Morne on aswell, to take a kick and clinch the game, but Ruan has proved this season that having one bad game with the boot doesn’t mean that you’re a bad kicker. He’s not as consistent as Morne, but a 75% kicker is pretty par with the rest of the kickers in world rugby.

  • Comment 88, posted at 11.05.10 07:58:57 by Letgo Reply
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  • anyone hear the rumour mongers tales that butch, bis, jannie, john smit and jdv are being targeted by the lions?

  • Comment 89, posted at 11.05.10 08:06:02 by try time Reply

  • @try time (Comment 89) :

    I saw that too.

    As if any of those players would want to move to such an embarrassment of a union!! πŸ˜•

  • Comment 90, posted at 11.05.10 08:47:38 by wpw Reply
  • butch and jdv want in on the rwc so will join anyone.

  • Comment 91, posted at 11.05.10 08:55:22 by try time Reply

  • @wpw (Comment 90) : but the du plessis and john smit won’t move yet.

  • Comment 92, posted at 11.05.10 08:55:59 by try time Reply

  • @try time (Comment 92) : Saw Dickie talked to Smit for a player/forward-coach position back in December 😯 ……whomever allows Smit to leave the Sharks must be shot on the spot, can’t see him leaving though, 11yrs with the same union….you can’t buy that.

  • Comment 93, posted at 11.05.10 09:04:40 by FireTheLooser Reply


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