Oh, if only!

Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super 14 on 13 May 2010 at 12:39
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Am I the only one looking at the Bulls team for this weekend’s game and thinking, “if only the Sharks had the balls to do something like that”?

Let’s face facts – this weekend’s game means less than nothing. With the Chiefs now fielding a weakened side against the Blues, the Sharks are unlikely to improve on their current 9th spot and whether we end 9th or 10th doesn’t significantly alter the reality that the 2010 season has been a disaster. Faced with the prospect of losing a fair few players after the Super 14 – some to the Boks and a few to greener pastures of another sort – would it not serve the team’s needs better for us to give a bunch of youngsters a proper go in Super 14 rugby to see what they’re made of?

The Bulls have done superbly and to end up in a situation where they can afford to not care about the result of the last game gives them so much luxury – and again I must give them credit for taking full advantage of that luxury. This has Heyneke Meyer’s stamp all over it and is proving once again that he has the vision to see past individual results and concentrate on the overall health of the union and depth of the talent pool. The Sharks, not being too harsh, I hope, don’t see things the same way and one could be forgiven for thinking that there is no plan bigger than “do your best to win the next match”.

We have seen the sort of impact that a raw, keen youngster can have on the Sharks play and I feel that the Sharks have missed a trick here in not using the opportunity to afford gametime to more fringe players. The Bulls have stopped just short of throwing their entire Vodacom Cup team into the fray, although an interesting statistic is that only three players in that starting fifteen are newcomers to Super Rugby. The Sharks cannot afford to be quite as adventurous, but could still have used the opportunity to pick a team that might be more representative of what we’re likely to field in the Currie Cup. Stand-out performers in the Vodacom Cup who (hopefully) would end up being the stars of the future, like Jean Stemmet and the likes, should really have been given a chance to play.

Without further ado, here’s the team that I would have chosen for this game. How many of you are surprised to see Pat Lambie at flyhalf?

15 – Mark Richards, 14 – Luzuko Vulindlu, 13 – Jean Stemmet, 12 – Riaan Swanepoel, 11 – Lwazi Mvovo, 10 – Patrick Lambie, 9 – Rory Kockott, 8 – Ryan Kankowski, 7 – Justin Downey, 6 – Keegan Daniel, 5 – Alistair Hargreaves (capt), 4 – Steven Sykes, 3 – Wiehahn Herbst, 2 – Craig Burden, 1 – Pat Cilliers
16 – John Smit, 17 – Jannie du Plessis, 18 – Jandre Marais, 19 – Mike Rhodes, 20 – Charl McLeod, 21 – Ruan Pienaar, 22 – Arno van Zyl


  • I agree with that….should’ve even done it in the last game as well!!!!

  • Comment 1, posted at 13.05.10 12:44:16 by Tintin Reply
  • somebody found their way to this site by googling “sharks junior contracts”

    I wonder what they were trying to find out 🙂 How to get one, or how to buy somebody out of one! Dick? Is that you? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 2, posted at 13.05.10 12:54:55 by robdylan Reply
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  • I have no problem with the concept at all. But why are you insisting(unsurprisingly) on scratching where it’s not itching??

  • Comment 3, posted at 13.05.10 13:02:23 by Ice Reply
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  • You would be denying Botes his (possible) last game for the Sharks and the BEAST his 50th had you done that.

  • Comment 4, posted at 13.05.10 13:09:43 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Jeepers…the Bulls B-Team looks a hell of a lot better than the Sharks B-team 🙄

  • Comment 5, posted at 13.05.10 13:10:41 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Yes the bulls team does but if we dont start making way for new commers we can forget about being anywhere come 2012.

  • Comment 6, posted at 13.05.10 13:13:10 by Uli Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 6) : thanks. I’m glad someone is prepared to look past the current game 🙂

    @Ice (Comment 3) : it is definitely itching for me! We were meant to win this year and instead we’re going to end 9th.

  • Comment 7, posted at 13.05.10 13:16:28 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 5) : the Bulls B team looks a lot better because the coaching staff has put faith in those players and backed them to deliver when required. So when they had a spate of injuries at centre, they picked Dippenaar, rather than going and trying to buy some washed-up has-been.

    Plumtree would rather play an established player out of position than risk a youngster. Hence Stef looking like a tool at 13 every week when we have a great prospect in Stemmet just hanging around doing nothing.

  • Comment 8, posted at 13.05.10 13:18:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • The only problem is that our B team doesn’t nearly have the amount of experience as the one the Bulls can field.

    Playing this team, of no doubt very promising players, could just as well have the opposite effect and scar the poor buggers for life from getting hidings they didn’t deserve.

    And don’t forget that a big number of these guys have just come off a 33-3 thrashing at the hands of the Bulls C team.

    Our brand is a little diluted right now – I wouldn’t want it to cheapen any further. Just like it was horribly stupid to send a B-team Bok side to go and lose against European club teams last year.

    PdV didn’t respect our standing as World Champions and cheapened the logo. World Champs to World Chumps in a few short weeks.

    Not what I want for the Sharks, thank you.

  • Comment 9, posted at 13.05.10 13:18:53 by rhineshark Reply
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  • Helloooooooo

  • Comment 10, posted at 13.05.10 13:21:14 by Chaz Reply

  • The Bulls have totally cocked this up.

    It’s going to be a Bulls/Stormers final and no home advantage to the Bulls!

    I’m in Durbs. Thinking of going to see the Sharks wrap up a completely bizarre season.

  • Comment 11, posted at 13.05.10 13:22:16 by klempie Reply

  • Now why didn’t the BB give us a B team but if i was a coach i would of also gone with a B team this week-end 😕

    And i agree with the post and me after a long time of thinking i would of put Lambie also at FH, 😆

  • Comment 12, posted at 13.05.10 13:26:19 by Chaz Reply

  • @rhineshark (Comment 9) : but surely we need to start somewhere? As somebody whose opinion I really respect pointed out to me via email, it’s very risky to put THAT MANY VC players straight in, given that htey didn’t even get to the final.

    But maybe we could meet halfway? Let Cilliers, Burden, Stemmet and a few others start

    How’s this as a compromise?

    1 Cilliers, 2 Burden, 3 Jannie, 4 Sykes, 5 Hargo, 6 Daniel, 7 Downey, 8 Kanko, 9 Kockott, 10 Lambie, 11 Mvovo, 12 Swannie, 13 Stemmet, 14 Odwa, 15 Stef

    everyone there besides Downey and Stemmet have played S14 before…

  • Comment 13, posted at 13.05.10 13:27:52 by robdylan Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 11) : what do you mean no home advantage to the Bulls? They already have top spot sewn up…

  • Comment 14, posted at 13.05.10 13:29:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • I agree Rob.

    I mentioned this 2 weeks ago, in the last 3 games of 2009 the Stormers did a similar thing – brought a lot of youngsters into the team.

    It resulted in a good CC in 2009 and a very good Super 14 this year for them.

    Sharks are losing more, trying to win by not doing it.

  • Comment 15, posted at 13.05.10 13:33:46 by Morné Reply
  • … are there any rules ….from SANZAR regarding fielding deliberately weaken line-ups.

    Surely there should be or it could be a free for all !

  • Comment 16, posted at 13.05.10 13:33:59 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Rob comment 7: putting Lambie on FH the past season wuld have been no guarantee for a more succesful season – THAT is the non-itching scratch I was referring to…not the other 14. Like I said – I agree with the whole idea, coz yes, it’s itching..but only scratch where abso needed.

  • Comment 17, posted at 13.05.10 13:34:33 by Ice Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 16) :

    There is a general acceptance that the best players must be selected.

    But who decides who the best is? SANZAR or coaches of teams?

  • Comment 18, posted at 13.05.10 13:36:35 by Morné Reply
  • ….Sharks could have been really ridiculous and fielded there Academy side after they lost their first 5 Matches.

    …. or played two teams throwing games against teams they wanted to ….. in the name of development.

  • Comment 19, posted at 13.05.10 13:36:45 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 18) :

    Well one things obviously clear that is not the Bulls’best players’

  • Comment 20, posted at 13.05.10 13:38:11 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • Well the last time we had depth was when Dicky actually gave his support to the youngsters and then all of a sudden we had way too much depth and now that we not doing it we have no depth we need to find the balance and the Bulls are doing the right thing.
    I never thought I would ever say it but yes the Bulls are way more professional than the Sharks at trusting their youth that they have bought and invested in and that’s the answer to it all. Investment! Now think for your selves, if you were invested in at your firm you work at , and you never get the chance to actually show that you can do the job, would you be happy? I am sure not. Unless you have no motivation to do the job and if that’s the case you should not be there. Well I am sure that the u/19 Sharks have plenty of motivation to play for the Sharks that I can promise you.

    Think about it, you get a contact with the sharks hopeing for more gametime ie Stemment. and then all you do is not even make the bench. If I was him I would be really peaved, as I would have rather wanted to stay in the cape with my hommies and play second fiddle there than move borders and have the same thing happen.

    Now to say we have no talent here, that’s total bullocks! The Zululand academy yes Zululand Academy team beat the BULLS in the final earlier this year in the National Academy Cup in Empangeni. Now what does that tell you?

    And guys we have an awesome fly half that plays for them Louis Kruger. Very young but has a great boot and I rate this youngster man!

    Other than that I do respect Stef, and he is a Sharks great, but he really needs to go now. We need to blood younger guys before we sitt with a major problem here after 2011 world cup.

  • Comment 21, posted at 13.05.10 13:38:49 by Uli Reply
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  • Bloody hell, does Ruan not even make the starting berth for your B team Robbo…? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 22, posted at 13.05.10 13:41:05 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 14) : Soweto aint exactly what most pretoooooooooooooriaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaners would refer to as being HOME 😉

  • Comment 23, posted at 13.05.10 13:41:45 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 23) :

    Lol. Too true FTL!
    You reckon the broederbond will travel for this game to support thier side?

  • Comment 24, posted at 13.05.10 13:43:34 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 14) : There’s loads of Stormers fans in Joburg. It’s a neutral venue boet.

  • Comment 25, posted at 13.05.10 13:57:34 by klempie Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 23) : oh ja… forgot about that.

    @VinChainSaw (Comment 24) : hey – I almost moderated oubaas the other day… don’t make me do it to you too 🙂

  • Comment 26, posted at 13.05.10 14:01:18 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 26) :

    I was pretty surprised you let that go the other day actually!

    But in all seriousness – do you see the brannas and coke brigade venturing into Soweto?

  • Comment 27, posted at 13.05.10 14:03:28 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 24) : I think the Bulls supporters will be there is full force. Apparently they has arranged parking at the Nasrec centre for the supporters where they can braai and get drunk and are then being taken to the Orlando stadium by bus…not enough parking at the stadium.

  • Comment 28, posted at 13.05.10 14:09:59 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 27) :

    😈 😆

  • Comment 29, posted at 13.05.10 14:21:29 by wpw Reply
  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 27) : I shouldn’t have, to be honest… might need to send a pointed email to all of the “senior members”. Something about maintaining the tone in the house 🙂

  • Comment 30, posted at 13.05.10 14:22:34 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 28) :
    Trains from a parking area near Centurion will also take supporters to within a few meters of the stadium.

  • Comment 31, posted at 13.05.10 14:23:42 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 28) :

    With a huge police presence no doubt!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 32, posted at 13.05.10 14:24:39 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 32) : On their horses, snorre and all, just hope no one falls off this time :mrgreen: 😆

  • Comment 33, posted at 13.05.10 14:27:22 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @rhineshark (Comment 9) : I am with you on this. Really would never want to cheapen our jersey. The Boks never sent a B side on eoyt last year. It was development side. Sort of what Rob has in mind here. We got smacked by club sides in Europe. That will go down in history as the Boks not a development side that got beaten by club sides.

    We bring them in slowly. Like we should have done at the start of this season. Mvovo and Lambie should have started from the Chiefs game. Maybe Stemmet that Rob feels is better at 13 or Zuks. That way we have experience with youth.

    @Tintin (Comment 1) : Yes if we wanted to do this should have done it last week. 😆 Maybe we would be seeing a great game this week against the Stormers and full strength Bull team. 😉 Us beating the Stormers has allowed Bulls to rest and Stormers to play a 2nd string Bulls side. Though I still wanted both teams to make the final. Just would have been great to see a really top game at Newlands this week.

  • Comment 34, posted at 13.05.10 14:28:20 by Puma Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 33) :

    bwahahahahahaha 😆 😀

  • Comment 35, posted at 13.05.10 14:31:56 by wpw Reply
  • @Pokkel (Comment 28) : Bulls Supporters will be at Orlando in the thousands, if they make the final. Also if they do it would have been at Loftus, so think their season ticket holders get first choice to buy tickets. That is plenty. Some will be reserved for the team they play against. Probably Stormers.

    Now the above it all goes to plan and Bulls win. It could be Stormers hosting the final. Or say Canes and Saders come here beat both sides the final could still be in NZ. Or even if Tahs and Brumbies come here and beat both the final could also still be in Sydney. Still a waiting game here. Though think Stormers and Bulls have played far better than all those teams and should make the final. Hoping. Would really like to see a all saffa final.

  • Comment 36, posted at 13.05.10 14:33:09 by Puma Reply

  • If Bulls hold the final at Orlando it will still be at altitude. That is a huge factor for a team. So they lose none of that. Also maybe some people from Soweto might go to the game. That too would be a great motivator for them to have that support.

    Taking it to Orlando does not lose anything for Bulls maybe it gains more for them.

  • Comment 37, posted at 13.05.10 14:35:40 by Puma Reply

  • Rob, Im glad you are not selecting the team. Your selections last weekend would have robbed me of a very satisfying viewing experience.

    If you really have to, experiment all you want (but not with Lambie) in the CC, especially in the games against the Pumas and Griquas and even in some games against teams with many Bok call ups.

  • Comment 38, posted at 13.05.10 14:38:33 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • One thing is true of blou Nulle and Nul supporters alike, they become very bold (read arrogant, windgat) in their numbers. Look at van der Heever….very cocky at moftus, so all the usual blue dutchman should pitch for the game at Orlando.

    It’s only when they’re on their own you’ll see the true blue bellied dutchman for the coward he really is. 😆

  • Comment 39, posted at 13.05.10 14:41:28 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • 😯

  • Comment 40, posted at 13.05.10 14:45:01 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 38) : you sure you’re not John Plumtree? It’s not meaningful experimenting if you do it against shit opposition, now is it? Cos then you never learn anything.

    But you don’t really have the same vision for the Sharks that I do, if we’re honest. You’re quite happy for them to not win any trophies, so long as there’s the occasional satisfying win along the way.

  • Comment 41, posted at 13.05.10 14:45:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Puma (Comment 34) :

    Jake did it in the 3N before the WC.
    Cheapening the Bok jersey is nowhere near to cheapening the Bulls jersey. In my humble opinion, of course!

  • Comment 42, posted at 13.05.10 14:57:39 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 39) : Nee wat, ek’s maar so windgat op my eie ook 😉

  • Comment 43, posted at 13.05.10 14:59:05 by diablo Reply

  • @Ice (Comment 17) : oh ja, but we’ll never agree on that. Lambie is our saviour at flyhalf and the sooner we get him established there, the better. Flyhalf is a far more complex position that fullback and with Lambie’s skils and brain, it’s not surprising he looks great there.

    Frans Steyn also looked great at fullback… difference was, he wasn’t bright enough to play 10.

  • Comment 44, posted at 13.05.10 14:59:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 42) : I think it’s a case of deciding you want to beat de Villiers, then finding a stick to match 🙂

    Really not sure why so many people got so worked up about the Bok midweek team last year.

  • Comment 45, posted at 13.05.10 15:00:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • @diablo (Comment 43) : That’s ’cause you hail from the Eastern Cape….exception to the rule :mrgreen:

  • Comment 46, posted at 13.05.10 15:09:31 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @ Rob (Comment 44)

    A bit harsh on Steyn don’t you think?

  • Comment 47, posted at 13.05.10 15:13:21 by Uli Reply
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  • @Rob – if Steyn looked good at FB and so does Lambie, but Steyn did not cut it at 10, what wuld b the proof that Lambie wuld? Its a risk, unless you know his matric results..iow, HOW do you know that he can do it, or is that just an assumption? That might also turn out to be a bad assumtion, not?

  • Comment 48, posted at 13.05.10 15:13:49 by Ice Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 45) :

    Me neither – that’s the point of mid-week games – to give your second-stringers a run and establish how much quality depth you have in a non-test environment.
    You dont get capped for those games anyway.

    I’d rather lose midweek games playing a development side than win them playing the first team side.

    But yup – agree 100% with your PdV stick comment.

  • Comment 49, posted at 13.05.10 15:16:07 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • Ha Ha, so you know what I want and what my vision is – not.
    But what is your vision, from what I can gather it is to convince anyone that cares to listen that there is discord in the team, mostly caused by the du Plessis brothers, that the union is incompetent, this includes all coaches and players (except those involved with with the Vodacom cup) and administrators. Your vision for the Sharks also included getting rid of Frans Steyn, mine didnt and nor does mine include getting rid of the Du Plessis brothers.
    But as you have previously posted, you need to stir it up to get the comments going.

  • Comment 50, posted at 13.05.10 15:17:17 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Steyn’s biggest problem at FH was that he would take a fraction too long to kick with that big wind-up of his and that resulted in loads of charge-downs.
    He’s also not the best distributor in the world and loves to hang onto the ball, not really a FH trait.

  • Comment 51, posted at 13.05.10 15:17:32 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • @Salmonoid (Comment 50) :

    Sheesh mate, I’m also not really the greatest fan of those two walking yellow cards!
    Bismarck plays some decent rugby but his brother is a liability!

  • Comment 52, posted at 13.05.10 15:18:35 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • @Ice (Comment 48) : well, the only way to find out is to play him there and see

    Remember, it’s not like the Sharks are really short of fullback options. We have about 5 guys that could step up and make that position their own.

    At flyhalf, we have hardly any.

    @Uli (Comment 47) : Steyn always was a kak flyhalf… and too arrogant to realise it. So yes, maybe harsh to call him dof, but I’m still waiting for the counter-evidence to emerge! 🙂

  • Comment 53, posted at 13.05.10 15:18:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 52) : Have you watched the last 7 Sharks games…..Jannie has really stepped up and cleaned up.

  • Comment 54, posted at 13.05.10 15:23:22 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 49) :

    PDV is a LEGEND!!

    And so too is Dollie!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 55, posted at 13.05.10 15:24:27 by wpw Reply
  • @Ice (Comment 48) : Hello Ysie 😆 I’m with Rob on this one. We have plenty 15’s in SA and just about no 10 talent. I’d give Lambie a go and if it doesn’t work I’m sure he’ll fit right back in at 15. Your favourite player Carter didn’t start at 10 and neither did Gitau. Larkham was a fullback that converted to 10. My point is he might be the next big Flyhalf in SA but we’ll never know if we don’t try..

    BTW I heard a rumour that Lambie was DUX in High School. Not sure if it’s true though

  • Comment 56, posted at 13.05.10 15:27:15 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 52) :
    Ja, Jannie was a huge liability this last game but that was to the Stormers. In all honesty they seem to have cleaned up their games quiete a bit after Plum laid down the law earlier this year.

  • Comment 57, posted at 13.05.10 15:28:15 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 50) : I just want the Sharks to win consistently, Salmo and when I see short-term behaviour that’s not in the interests of that objective, I point it out.

  • Comment 58, posted at 13.05.10 15:29:48 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 56) : ok, so maybe I’m guilty of judging a book by its cover here, but you can just tell by LOOKING at the two players that Lambo is bright and Fransie is a dumb jock.

  • Comment 59, posted at 13.05.10 15:31:05 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Rob: at the risk of stuffing him in the same “all-sorts” packet as Ru and Steyn?

    @Pokkel: u know I am not a Jannie fan, but that was my thought too…they seem to be doing much better when seperated and not doing the siamese twin thing. Think they’re not such a good influence on each other as their parent might think!

  • Comment 60, posted at 13.05.10 15:34:35 by Ice Reply
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  • Basically I’m being a mother hen here – just don’t want a brilliant youngster to lose his confidence because he is experimented with. Take the risk…but if he does not cut it quick, move him back where he belongs! I am sure if he will be a good 10 it will show within a game or two, seeing that you need to have the brains and skill for such a specialised position.

  • Comment 61, posted at 13.05.10 15:43:34 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 61) : Hey Ice…he’s always wanted to play flyhalf. See this article from about a year ago.

  • Comment 62, posted at 13.05.10 15:45:39 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 60) : Lambie is talented enough to make a success of any position in the backline, I believe. If anything, his lack of height might be less of an issue at flyhalf than it is at fullback.

    I think we need to give him a full season at flyhalf. Anyone can have a bad game or two, but after a year, we will know for sure.

  • Comment 63, posted at 13.05.10 15:50:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 58) :
    Well then our end objectives are the same.

  • Comment 64, posted at 13.05.10 15:53:31 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @ Rob

    I dont think Morne’ Steyn was worth much after his first year with the Bulls and that goes for Hougards as well.

  • Comment 65, posted at 13.05.10 15:55:27 by Uli Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 65) : as I recall, Liefling was a match winner pretty much from day 1, but Steyn sure did take a long time to bloom.

  • Comment 66, posted at 13.05.10 15:57:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • Lambie may be agood flyhalf and he may want to play in that position but clearly his coaches from grade 10 on have thought him a better fullbck and a Cronje brother a better flyhalf. Its also worth noting that he said that only once he moved too fullback that his game started improving.

  • Comment 67, posted at 13.05.10 16:15:17 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 63) : Rob, Pleased you are not our selectors or coach. Jeepers, you would be messing with our talented players. Sharks do that far too much. Frans Steyn should have played inside centre from the start. He played in too many different postions there and sometimes left on the bench. We lost him cause of that. We lost Barritt too. Now you want us to lose Lambie? Leave him at FB. He has been one of the best FB in this years S14. Now that says something as he only started to play in round 6 against the Landers. He made a great difference to the team by playing at fb. Also Lambies height means nothing at fb. He does better than most taller bigger fb. The best fb under the high ball in this S14 this year. Actually the best I have seen since A. Joubert.

    Ruan must play fh, he will be one of our best if just left there. Rory at sh.

    @Pokkel (Comment 62) : Pokkel, Read that but he said he wanted to play fh before he had played fb where he excelled. Leave him at fb. Let him have that postion as his own at the Sharks. He is superb there.

  • Comment 68, posted at 13.05.10 16:23:47 by Puma Reply

  • @Salmonoid (Comment 67) : Yip, that is what he said, once he moved to fb he started to play really well. That is where he must be left. This messing about with players at the Sharks cost us.

    Did read somewhere that Plum might play Lambie at FB in the CC. Now hope he just drops that idea.

  • Comment 69, posted at 13.05.10 16:26:19 by Puma Reply

  • @Salmonoid (Comment 67) : hey, if it turns out that Guy Cronje is our saviour at flyhalf and Pat carries on as our fullback, you think I’m going to complain?

  • Comment 70, posted at 13.05.10 16:34:24 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Puma (Comment 68) : the current set of “talented players” got us a 9th place finish in the Super 14, so if you’re happy to accept that, then there’s not really much point in my arguing with you 🙂

    Puma, maybe go ask one or two of Frans Steyn’s team mates what they thought of him. Maybe then you’ll drop this warped view you have of him.

  • Comment 71, posted at 13.05.10 16:36:48 by robdylan Reply
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  • Wow, everybody getting SUPER ahead of themselves over something no one here has any say over.

    Everyone coming down with a bout of Grant10-ites. 🙄

  • Comment 72, posted at 13.05.10 17:19:02 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 71) : Rob if Frans Steyn was playing inside centre this year we might have had a better chance. We will end 9th or 10th cause not only we never scored enough tries. We were done in a lot of times with very bad ref calls. Chiefs, Cheetahs (2nd half) Tahs and Brumbies. We should have won all those games, had we had a better ref. Then of course if we scored enough tries then of course the ref would not have been a issue. Count the points if the refs never got it wrong in those games. I count 12. We won those games with a losing bonus point. We would be sitting n 41 points.

    We had the players. We never played them. Rory was sitting on the bench almost the whole time, while we played Goode instead of Ruan at FH and Rory at SH. Lambie only played FB once Odwa was injured. He should have started at FB from the Chiefs game. Mvovo should have started instead of Odwa from the Chiefs game. We played those players from the start we would be in a semi now. Even with bad ref calls. If we had Frans at inside centre with those players we would have been awesome. Even with Stefan at outside centre. Still would have gone with maybe Stemmet like you say or Zuks. Give Zuks game time at this level and he will grow.

    Leave what is working. Lambie at FB is working great for us.

  • Comment 73, posted at 13.05.10 17:28:16 by Puma Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 71) : I know what John thought of Frans Steyn. He said he was a real asset to have in the team. John is the captain I would listen to what he says. Think it was cause of John too that Steyn got the FB position for the Boks in the Lions tour last year and the 3Nations. Heard it was him that spoke PdV in selecting Fransie at FB. So if John thinks highly of him then I think that is enough for me.

    We lost a magnficen talent. We will again. Sharks just mess their players about too much. Let them settle in a position they know is theirs if they are playing well enough to keep it. Take that away and shff them about they will leave. Simple as that really. I know I would. I would want to know the coach has confidence in me to keep me in one position.

  • Comment 74, posted at 13.05.10 17:34:30 by Puma Reply

  • @Puma (Comment 74) : magnificent – sorry typo there 😳

  • Comment 75, posted at 13.05.10 17:35:26 by Puma Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 14) : Sorry, it´s a holiday in Germany, so I´ve been out and about. That team is more balanced experience wise. Although I don´t like Lambie at 10, let´s call it a deal :mrgreen:

  • Comment 76, posted at 13.05.10 17:51:12 by rhineshark Reply
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  • I thought this was a serious article then I saw you picked Lambie at 10 and realised it must have been tongue in cheek. 😛

  • Comment 77, posted at 13.05.10 22:25:25 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 77) : hey when i wrote a similar article you ripped into it. why the change of attitude?

  • Comment 78, posted at 14.05.10 07:24:34 by try time Reply

  • @try time (Comment 78) : I think oubaas and I have now reached the stage of “fundamental difference of opinion” on this point 🙂 It’s cool, because now we don’t need to discuss it any further and can rather talk about other stuff 🙂

  • Comment 79, posted at 14.05.10 07:50:58 by robdylan Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 78) :

    I still disagreeas you can see from my comment but at 23:30 at night I was rather tired and subdued. 😛

  • Comment 80, posted at 14.05.10 08:09:02 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 79) : 😆 😛

  • Comment 81, posted at 14.05.10 08:09:26 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Why so hell bent on discovering a diamond at FH when that diamond is at FB? Coz we dont have real depth at FH for 1. Secondly, it would counter Strools in wasting $ on a hasbeen flyhalve if Lambie turns out to be a general there. On the other hand, why did we prevent Dumond in going to the Cheetahs if he was not even used at all by the Sharks? Now THATS stuffing a player around. We have Guy Cronje and perhaps Ruan left to slot in at 10. I say perhaps Ruan, becoz he wants to play scrumie. So give Lambie the opportunity at 10 come CC (and Guy with Dumond). Against ANY team. My 2c, use it dont lose it.

  • Comment 82, posted at 14.05.10 08:43:05 by JustPlainSHARK Reply

  • Anyone see on the rugby club rumours about the duP bros going to the Lions?
    Talk of Butch also going to the Lions. Idiots on the show went slammed the Sharks behaviour towards him (hey? sorry we can’t afford £500K buy out).

    Have not watched it yet. This is second hand. Posted the other day on the thread with the Butch James rumours, that the Lions claim to have SAIL backing now.

  • Comment 83, posted at 14.05.10 09:26:11 by Os Reply

  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 49) : I think the problem was PdV was punting the team as a B team when most of the players were not the next best in their positions. Think Earl Rose.

    That team should not have been called a Springbok team. It should have been called what it was – developmental. It cheapened the brand.

  • Comment 84, posted at 14.05.10 09:41:47 by lostfish Reply
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  • Speaking of past players – I see Brendan Venter has openly critised Martin Johnson for not selecting Barrit in the England squad…apparently Johnson’s excuse is that Barrit is too small to be an international inside centre!


    Whatever Johnson is smoking must be good stuff!

  • Comment 85, posted at 14.05.10 15:48:54 by neilster Reply

  • @neilster (Comment 85) :

    Are their any saffas in the current England squad or let me rephrase that: Has Johnson ever selected a player from SA in any of his previous England squads??

  • Comment 86, posted at 14.05.10 16:02:11 by wpw Reply
  • @neilster (Comment 85) :

    Gee look at that!!!!!!! White never picked him either. I wonder why.

    Then again Brendan Venter is a twit who should come and write for the CT media when he get’s fired at Saracens. All his players are the best in the world.

    First it was Schalk “where is my ticket Jake?” Brits and now it is Bradley “thanks for playing me ahead of the Bok 12, but I’m leaving anyway” Barritt

  • Comment 87, posted at 14.05.10 16:17:59 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 87) : Jake White never picked him because of lack of pace, not because he was too small! haha
    And when was he ever played ahead of Steyn, I recall it was the other way around which was why he left??

  • Comment 88, posted at 14.05.10 16:44:38 by neilster Reply

  • @wpw (Comment 86) : You not the first to make that point and you won’t be the last!

  • Comment 89, posted at 14.05.10 16:45:46 by neilster Reply

  • @neilster (Comment 88) :

    Youy recall wrong.

    Go back and have a look at how livid i used to get everytime he played at 12 and Steyn had to play elsewhere in the team.

    Whatever the reason for jake not picking him he still wasn’t good enough as a 1st choice international then and I don’t believe he is now.

    Every mother thinks her child is the prettiest no matter how ugly and the same goes for every coach thinkin g his player is the best no matter how shite.

  • Comment 90, posted at 14.05.10 17:33:27 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @neilster (Comment 89) :

    What point is that?

  • Comment 91, posted at 14.05.10 17:34:58 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 90) : Oh, I understand now – i’m conversing with the Steyn fanclub!
    Can’t really compare them as they’re completely different players, I know which centre out of the two of them resulted in the Sharks scoring more tries though.

  • Comment 92, posted at 15.05.10 17:02:48 by neilster Reply

  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 91) : Read up and you shall find out!

  • Comment 93, posted at 15.05.10 17:05:10 by neilster Reply

  • @neilster (Comment 93) :

    Maybe he hasn’t picked any Saffas becasue he hasn’t been subjected to the HYPE that the players in question are almost the best in the world and nobody (read the player’s agent) can understand why he wasn’t picked.

    The player went overseas because his dog’s puppies have a british ancestor and he qualifies via having kised the puppies once or twice.

    Only to discover that not only wasn’t he picked in SA because he wasn’t good enough, he is now not being picked in his new country because he isn’t good enough either ………….

    In Barritt’s case I will add a YET into their becasue he will be chosen at some stage.

  • Comment 94, posted at 17.05.10 04:43:16 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @neilster (Comment 92) :

    It doesn’t matter which fan club you are talking to you can’t just make up fiction that Steyn was picked ahead of Barritt at 12 all the time…..

  • Comment 95, posted at 17.05.10 04:44:54 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 95) : happy Birthday 😎 😛

  • Comment 96, posted at 17.05.10 06:03:56 by rekinek Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 95) : Ey? I never said it was all the time, I merely offered an opinion on why Barrit left. In fact you brought Steyn into it mate, who is a great gamebreaker so no gripes there.

    Happy birthday pal!

  • Comment 97, posted at 17.05.10 20:47:47 by neilster Reply


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