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Stats show up Silly Stormers

Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :Bulls, In the news, Stormers, Super 14 on 31 May 2010 at 17:23
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While SANZAR ponders whether any steps should be taken against Stormers captain Schalk Burger and coach Allister Coetzee, statistics have been released that reveal just how silly they were for criticising match referee Craig Joubert.

Johan Botes, a South African-based SANZAR Director, confirmed that a decision whether charge Burger and Coetzee for their ungracious post-match outbursts – following their 17-25 Super 14 Final loss to the Bulls at the weekend – will be taken on Tuesday.

The Stormers captain was scathing with his comments of the match official.

“It was pretty disappointing, I thought the Bulls and us were playing two different sets of breakdown rules,” Burger said, adding: “We couldn’t get momentum going, which was really disappointing.”

Burger later repeated his attack on the referee’s rulings, claiming that the penalties against his team had an influence on the outcome of the game.

“Yes, I was unhappy about it to be honest, otherwise I would have kept my mouth and not complained like I did on the field,” Burger said when quizzed about it in the post-match media conference.

The remarks of the Stormers coach, Coetzee, will now also come under scrutiny, after he also expressed his disappointment in Joubert’s officiating.

“It was an area where the game was won and lost,” Coetzee told a post-match media briefing.

However, stats revealed on Monday show that the referee, Joubert, was more that just equal and fair in his handling of the match.

André Watson, the South African Rugby Union refereeing boss, said it was not a case of referees not being able to handle criticism.

“Of course we have to take it on the chin,” Watson said of occasions when match officials get it wrong.

“However, this is not criticism,” Watson told rugby365.com.

“If what is being quoted in the media is true – that there are two sets of rules and one team was coached – then the insinuation is that the referee was bias or was cheating.

“I simply can’t accept that. I can’t accept that we say things like that.”

The referees boss said he decided to go have a look at the match closely and – using their Fairplay programme – spent four hours looking at the tackle/ruck situations in the Final.

“The Stormers carried the ball 85 times,” Watson told rugby365.com, adding: “The Bulls took it into a tackle situation – which became a ruck or just stayed a tackle – 82 times.

“Out of that the Stormers were awarded seven penalties and six penalties were awarded to the Bulls.

“In those same phases the referee spoke 25 times to the Stormers and spoke to Bulls players on 28 occasions – never once did he repeat a warning.

“I find it strange that that is labelled as ‘coaching’.

“In fact these are staggering stats that show how incredibly fair and accurate he [referee Craig Joubert] was. I just felt the facts should be on the table.”

Watson also confirmed that a formal review of Joubert’s performance would be conducted by SANZAR bosses on Tuesday, but said he, Watson, has already looked an analysed Joubert’s performance.

He admitted there were a few errors.

“In my opinion he had a phenomenal first half,” Watson said, adding: “Obviously there are mistakes.

“One of those could place a question mark over Bryan Habana’s intercept try. Let me make it clear, Bryan did nothing wrong, but what happened before – No.22 [replacement Tim Whitehead] came in at the side and deliberately slowed down the ball, giving the Bulls a bad ball. That’s a blatant transgression that was overlooked.

“There was another occasion when [Bulls flank Deon] Stegmann stole a ball, but the slow-motion analyses showed he was illegal.

“After having worked through all those incidents I found three errors, out of 167 tackle/ruck situations.

“I think that is great and we can be happy with his performance.

“I know, it doesn’t matter how I put this, people will say: ‘Look, Watson is covering for his referee again’. I am well aware that I will be criticised, but it is important that we put the facts out there and not just opinions.”

Article courtesy of Jan De Koning at Rugby 365.com


  • Well Reffed Craig.

  • Comment 1, posted at 31.05.10 17:27:08 by KSA Shark © Reply
    KSA Shark ©
  • All I can say is had it been thew Sharks who were at the short end of Joubert’s decisions this site would not be defending the refs handling of the breakdown!!

  • Comment 2, posted at 31.05.10 17:34:17 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 2) :

    I disagree.

  • Comment 3, posted at 31.05.10 17:43:43 by KSA Shark © Reply

    KSA Shark ©
  • Of course you would! 🙄

  • Comment 4, posted at 31.05.10 18:24:40 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 4) :

    I am ALWAYS going to support the ref IF he is right.

  • Comment 5, posted at 31.05.10 18:26:29 by KSA Shark © Reply

    KSA Shark ©
  • If he is right?? Schalk wouldn’t moan at the ref for no reason.
    Dude did you even watch the game?? 😈

  • Comment 6, posted at 31.05.10 18:46:13 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 6) :

    DAMN right I did.

    Did YOU read the http://www.sharksworld.co.za/2010/05/31/stats-show-up-silly-stormers/ article?

    Oh wait we areON that article. Oh wait again. Yopu don’t READ the articles. 😆

  • Comment 7, posted at 31.05.10 18:52:13 by KSA Shark © Reply

    KSA Shark ©
  • Wpw,don’t be a silly girl: your boys were wankers for crying about a loss that was simply down to an experienced team with better execution.

    Your defending the indefensible just makes you look like a little beach.

  • Comment 8, posted at 31.05.10 19:05:16 by Big Fish Reply
    Big Fish
  • Big Fish
    If you bothered to read the rest of the articles you would notice that I admitted that the better team won!!
    The referee didn’t manage the breakdown well and that is what I agree with.
    No sour grapes from my side.
    As for the name calling/insults: very mature!!

  • Comment 9, posted at 31.05.10 19:12:41 by wpw Reply
  • So easy…

  • Comment 10, posted at 31.05.10 19:17:17 by Big Fish Reply
    Big Fish
  • Tinkies aren’t what they used to be. 🙁

  • Comment 11, posted at 31.05.10 19:31:47 by klempie Reply

  • @Big Fish (Comment 8) : @wpw (Comment 9) : OK kids!! 😆 😆

  • Comment 12, posted at 31.05.10 19:32:25 by klempie Reply

  • You 2 get a room !

  • Comment 13, posted at 31.05.10 20:29:09 by Charlie Reply

  • We could argue that poor qpefs cost the sharks a semi or even final spot… But the sharks should have been better and not put themselves in that position… The stormers were kak and the ref was not the reason.

  • Comment 14, posted at 31.05.10 21:18:58 by Rahul Reply

  • i’ve said this before, this whole concept of “talking” to players who are infringing is nonsense! Now all of a sudden watson is counting how many time the ref spoke to each side and that is supposed to depict his impartiality. The point is, any of the teams could’ve been infringing in an area or during a time where the opposition was in a position to score, so for the ref to still be supposedly telling PROFESSIONAL players “hands off Blue” is quite daft!

    no other sport has such lackadaisal officiating ostensibly to allow the game to “flow”.

  • Comment 15, posted at 01.06.10 04:30:20 by Megatron Reply

  • Speaking about this subject, has anyone been following the discussions on Keo? I never realised Keo himself was such an bitter cry baby. Geez looking at his comments on his thread, I think he has blown all his credibility and integrity.

  • Comment 16, posted at 01.06.10 06:31:35 by Pablo Dinero Reply

    Pablo Dinero
  • @Pablo Dinero (Comment 16) :

    If anyone believes that Keo is a Stormers supporter well, then they need their heads read!! :mrgreen:

    He supports the Bulls and has been for quite some time now.

    People think he supports WP/Stormers because he is from CT and he is based here but he has made it very clear that he supports the Bulls. 🙄

  • Comment 17, posted at 01.06.10 07:32:39 by wpw Reply
  • This is what I’m talking about: 😈

    ‘Hands off, Blue!’ – coached 16 times by Joubert. ‘Hands off, White!” – 2 times. 7 ruck pens to Blue. 3 to White all in last 4 mins!

    I rest my case!! :mrgreen: 😉

  • Comment 18, posted at 01.06.10 07:40:01 by wpw Reply
  • From a not so loved web-site: Western Province are on the verge of signing Jean de Villiers and CJ van der Linde, a move that will bolster their depth and experience. 😐 🙁 😯 😥
    Would have loved it if JDV came to The Sharks

  • Comment 19, posted at 01.06.10 07:59:41 by SharksRTB Reply

  • @wpw (Comment 18) : WPW – just want to let you know, that you are not the Lone Ranger….feel your pain. Don’t think it was reff’ed fairly on Saturday either. Learning curve for Sckalky as Captain though and the team in general. As a neutral on Saturday I felt that the ref robbed us of what could have been a hum dinger of a match. The GP final was way better…can’t even BELIEVE that I think a NH game was better than a SH game 🙁

  • Comment 20, posted at 01.06.10 08:05:11 by Just a Fan Reply

    Just a Fan
  • @SharksRTB (Comment 19) : Really? And have him in the team for a bit of the Super 15 next year? We need a long term solution

  • Comment 21, posted at 01.06.10 09:01:05 by war1 Reply
  • @war1 (Comment 21) : No, signing him wouldve indicated that all is not lost in Sharks Rugby. Same when Bob and Percy was signed. But agree that we do need a long term solution. Still would have liked it to see JDV in the black and white strip :mrgreen:

  • Comment 22, posted at 01.06.10 10:18:18 by SharksRTB Reply

  • Joubert was overawed by the occasion on Sat. eg. Before the start of the game he was wide eyed, blinking and mouthing “fark me”… During the game he was about 5-10 m behind play. He did not have his best game but bias to the Bulls. No… as the stats show. Anecdotally 7 “bonus” points to the Stormers testifies otherwise. Its funny he was so decisive with this try when he was still trying to catch up to play and was running around the tackle situation when blowing the whistle with his hand raised in the air…

    BTW yo have got to be dreaming to state that the GP was “way better”. By GP stds it was a good final, but after the S14 action it looked like rugby in slomo. And this is not a NH “conditions” thing because watching the Top 14 final (French league) after the GP final there was a distinct difference in the gamespeed again…

  • Comment 23, posted at 01.06.10 10:53:46 by HG (Heavens Game - not the sponsor) Reply

    Heavens Game
  • craig had a great game. and i agree with the stats above. had schalk complained about Cobus Wessels though i would totally in support. Cobus Wessels the ass ref was poor bordering on biased. But he has blue bulls links so it isn’t totally unexpected. he missed at least two skew throws and missed a few forward passes and penalised the stormers for a petty incident. but jacques fourie and the stormers front row deserve as much criticism. fourie crabbed leaving no space for his wings. and the front row couldn’t hold up a scrum. unfortunately the better team did win.

  • Comment 24, posted at 01.06.10 12:54:03 by try time Reply

  • @wpw (Comment 17) : I believe the expression is NFW!!! Keo is a midget WP cheerleader!!

  • Comment 25, posted at 01.06.10 12:57:57 by Pablo Dinero Reply

    Pablo Dinero
  • One of Keo cretins last twitters… Jean & CJ for Stormers S15. Rassie just has to sign Joubert and the Bulls dominance will be ended. With Vic at Boland in 2012 future’s good. What a noob.

  • Comment 26, posted at 01.06.10 13:01:25 by Pablo Dinero Reply

    Pablo Dinero
  • I agree he is a tool!

  • Comment 27, posted at 01.06.10 13:18:00 by wpw Reply
  • I would leave Joubert alone…. I think you need to worry about Jonker and his dodgy Touchies….at least you made the final.

    That crew got rid of the opposition for you ! 😉

    …and then there was Lawrence he helped you out a bit as well !

  • Comment 28, posted at 01.06.10 14:04:44 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 27) :

    Where’s your team of the Season ….i’m ready to go ! 💡

  • Comment 29, posted at 01.06.10 14:05:36 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • I dont joubert changed the result of the game but he had a mare on Saturday.
    Januarie’s try was more than suspect and it was incredibly frustrating watching Potgieter and co just diving over the ball at ruck time.

    The best team won but Joubert was simply not good enough on the day, being a final in the most important comp in the world.

    Stats anyway dont tell the full story because it ignores field position and momentum.

  • Comment 30, posted at 02.06.10 14:11:08 by VinChainSaw Reply

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