No Butch for Bok test?(Updated again)

Written by Clayton Saville (Clayton(PJLD))

Posted in :In the news, Springboks on 1 Jun 2010 at 16:05

Premier Rugby instructed Bath to pull Butch James from South Africa’s Test against Wales in Cardiff on Saturday.

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Premier Rugby are insisting that Bath withdraw James from the clash despite Saturday’s game having Test match status and falling in an international rugby window.

The confusion seems to arise with the refusal of Gloucester to allow four of their Scotland internationals to take place in an uncapped Test match against Japan tonight.

SA Rugby are yet to release an official comment on the matter, but are understood to be talking to Premier Rugby about the issue.

It appears the matter has been resolved.Premier Rugby wanted assurance that the Test was an IRB sanctioned match.

The question is would a test match still be a test if not sanctioned by the IRB?Anyhoo, so much for the rugby news slowing down.

It apears as if the story has once again changed.Butch is now extremely unlikely to play in the Test as Premier Rugby has raised concerns of the “players wellbeing”


  • Yowsers

  • Comment 1, posted at 01.06.10 16:08:53 by provincejoulekkading Reply
  • They not even playing rugby at the moment so what’s the point??

  • Comment 2, posted at 01.06.10 16:11:52 by Pokkel Reply
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  • If unavailable I take it Meyer Bosman will move from the bench to 12??

    I wonder who the replacement 12 will be??

    Um, Wynand Olivier?? :spit: :puke: 🙄

  • Comment 3, posted at 01.06.10 16:20:22 by wpw Reply
  • This is bollocks. Tell Bath to get knotted.

  • Comment 4, posted at 01.06.10 16:23:20 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • By the power of greyskull I am…. Wynand Olivier!

  • Comment 5, posted at 01.06.10 16:24:33 by SandTiger Reply

  • Seems the whole truth behind the Butch vs. the Sharks debacle may in fact be that his current club is managed by a bunch of wets

  • Comment 6, posted at 01.06.10 16:25:28 by SandTiger Reply

  • hehe …
    one cannot help noticing that the out of position selections are sorting themselves out, first De Villiers now Butch 🙄

    it would be a pity though if he can’t play – for his sake I mean.

  • Comment 7, posted at 01.06.10 16:27:59 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Pablo Dinero (Comment 4) : @SandTiger (Comment 5) :

    The two of you are real funny bastards hey!! lmao 😆 :mrgreen:

  • Comment 8, posted at 01.06.10 16:29:50 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 8) :

    And by ‘bastards’ I mean the nicest sense of the word!! 😈

  • Comment 9, posted at 01.06.10 16:30:53 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 9) : thank you… I think…

  • Comment 10, posted at 01.06.10 16:35:13 by SandTiger Reply

  • the Saru communications department confirmed that the matter had been resolved and that James will start at inside centre at the Millennium Stadium on Saturday.

  • Comment 11, posted at 01.06.10 16:39:23 by Worcestershire Sauce Reply
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  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 11) : Thank goodness for predictive login… I’d hate to have to remember how to spell Worcestershire everytime!…. Anyway… that’s at least a bit of good blogging news (get it?)… Can’t wait for that first stiff arm high tackle…

  • Comment 12, posted at 01.06.10 16:42:26 by SandTiger Reply

  • @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 11) : neee, how boring 🙄

  • Comment 13, posted at 01.06.10 16:43:22 by rekinek Reply
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  • Why would SARU be talking to premier Rugby?

    FOOKEM!!!!!!!!!!! It is an IRB regulation Premier Rugby can’t just do what they want.

  • Comment 14, posted at 01.06.10 16:46:49 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Hold the horses people. Bath are not insisting that he gets withdrawn it is premier Rugby that is.

  • Comment 15, posted at 01.06.10 16:48:28 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 15) : my horses did not leave their stable – I barely managed to get excited about some other this time international silliness when it was almost immediately quashed :mrgreen:

  • Comment 16, posted at 01.06.10 16:56:56 by rekinek Reply
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  • I still say they’re wets!

  • Comment 17, posted at 01.06.10 17:10:48 by SandTiger Reply

  • @SandTiger (Comment 17) :

    Well it DOES rain a lot. 😆

  • Comment 18, posted at 01.06.10 17:31:36 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 9) : Oh hell, I went off sulking until I realised it was a compliment!! @KSA Shark © (Comment 15) : Still Bollocks to them. For even suggesting that Butch withdraw.

  • Comment 19, posted at 01.06.10 17:57:36 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • @Pablo Dinero (Comment 19) :

    I’m not sure what is happening,” James told, adding: “It’s Premier Rugby, rather than Bath.

    “I just handed it over to Andy [Marinos, acting MD of the South African Rugby Union] and Charles Wessels [the Boks’ Logistics Manager]. I didn’t want to get involved there, I’ve left it with them.”

    Marinos was not immediately available for comment, but a Bok spokesman told this website that Bath support James’s inclusion in the Bok team, while SARU have already written to Premier Rugby to inform them that this week’s Test does indeed fall inside the IRB window for internationals.

  • Comment 20, posted at 01.06.10 19:08:10 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • 🙁 Well this is a shame old Butchie still got some GOOD rugby in those old bones of his maybe its time for younger blood but old Meise Kind me don’t know at all 😕 ❓

  • Comment 21, posted at 01.06.10 20:33:14 by chaz Reply

  • :mrgreen: GAAN SPRINGBOKKE GAAN :mrgreen:

  • Comment 22, posted at 01.06.10 20:34:59 by chaz Reply

  • Sorry wrong thread 😳

  • Comment 23, posted at 01.06.10 20:37:03 by chaz Reply

  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 20) : Ok then, Bollocks to whoever started the rumour!! Damn it, bollocks to someone ok!!

  • Comment 24, posted at 01.06.10 22:22:15 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • OI!!!! When will this team be practicing together? At this rate we’re heading for our second hiding to the welsh 😯

    For the sake of internationals being included in future Springbok squads they’d better make sure they win this Saturday.

    So many distractions, smells of the start of the Sharks season 😯 😐

  • Comment 25, posted at 02.06.10 06:41:45 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • Reading on rugby365 it seems this little saga is far from concluded and Butch will more than likely not be allowed to play, someone at Saru had the wrong calender in mind or something.

    The following is when the international rugby window starts as shown on Rugby365:
    “Unless Council approves otherwise the three weekends in June shall be the second, third and fourth weekends.”

    This game is one weekend too early. 🙄

  • Comment 26, posted at 02.06.10 06:54:24 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • Continuing on my ‘when are they supposed to practice’ question, Bekker seems to have injured himself and might be replaced by Matfield who will then have to fly ALL the way to Cardiff today.

    This side is falling apart and they’ve hardly even passed a ball.

    They’ll have to show some character, luckily Captain Smit is there to steady the ship, seeing as he’s had some experience with last minute changes this season.

  • Comment 27, posted at 02.06.10 07:31:45 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @FireTheLooser (Comment 27) :

    Zane Kirchner will be called up if Butch can’t play!! 🙄

  • Comment 28, posted at 02.06.10 07:40:25 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 28) : Why do you have to keep using the E word. I cant even let my children read this site anymore!!

  • Comment 29, posted at 02.06.10 08:06:05 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • @Pablo Dinero (Comment 29) :

    What are you talking about?? 😈 😉

  • Comment 30, posted at 02.06.10 08:09:26 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 30) : I thought we agreed yesterday that this is a family site, and you keep swearing. You can be such an Earl sometimes!!

  • Comment 31, posted at 02.06.10 08:21:30 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 30) : Haha, sorry, I just noticed the edit. Ok, ok, I apologise for calling you the E word. I take it all back. Forgive me for losing my cool and almost blasphemously insulting you.

  • Comment 32, posted at 02.06.10 08:25:06 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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    I wanna see Butch! 👿

  • Comment 33, posted at 02.06.10 08:40:20 by klempie Reply

  • Why oh why don’t the poms just give Butchy his brit passport – if he doesn’t have one already – if they insist on Earling up any vgue chance he might have had to play in the WC??? Let the poor guy at least score something from this debacle.

  • Comment 34, posted at 02.06.10 08:42:12 by SandTiger Reply

  • Wow we must be really bored by the looks of some of these comments 😆 Can’t wait for the Tri Nations and more importantly the CC to start.

  • Comment 35, posted at 02.06.10 08:42:44 by Farlington Reply

  • @SandTiger (Comment 34) :


    I see what you did there!! 😈 😉

  • Comment 36, posted at 02.06.10 09:02:21 by wpw Reply
  • So what’s the Springbok squad’s make-up?

    As in the team from 1 – 22? Please? Anyone?

  • Comment 37, posted at 02.06.10 09:09:21 by FireTheLooser Reply

  • @wpw (Comment 28) : Butch is a much better player than ZK

  • Comment 38, posted at 02.06.10 09:12:20 by chaz Reply

  • Ok what happens if he goes on to play?
    would they sue him? maybe thats a way of getting out of his current contract?

  • Comment 39, posted at 02.06.10 09:14:09 by Uli Reply
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  • @Pablo Dinero (Comment 31) : Now now thats WPW him old self again 😆

  • Comment 40, posted at 02.06.10 09:14:36 by chaz Reply

  • @Farlington (Comment 35) : thats true CC please start :mrgreen:

  • Comment 41, posted at 02.06.10 09:16:39 by chaz Reply

  • @Uli (Comment 39) : mm maybe thats what he wants 😕

  • Comment 42, posted at 02.06.10 09:19:12 by chaz Reply

  • @chaz (Comment 38) :

    He is.

    But they play in different positions which means Frans Steyn will probably move to 12 and Kirchner to 15. 🙄

  • Comment 43, posted at 02.06.10 09:21:00 by wpw Reply
  • @chaz (Comment 42) : Yip maybe oom rudi is not that dumb after all…lol
    After all he is the master of getting people out their contracts…hehe

  • Comment 44, posted at 02.06.10 09:21:02 by Uli Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 43) : well steyn can play both but would like him to stay at 15 or am me wrong maybe 10 😕

  • Comment 45, posted at 02.06.10 09:32:39 by chaz Reply

  • @chaz (Comment 45) :

    I think the team needs him at 15 seeing as we don’t really have any test quality fullbacks at the moment.

    We have depth at 12 in JDV, Olivier (puke) and maybe De Jongh if he does manage to make it at the highest level!!

  • Comment 46, posted at 02.06.10 09:35:02 by wpw Reply
  • @Uli (Comment 39) : So he can go to the Lions? 😈

  • Comment 47, posted at 02.06.10 09:41:49 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • @Pablo Dinero (Comment 47) : 👿 👿 👿
    don’t you think the snoils have enough of our sharks 😈 😉

  • Comment 48, posted at 02.06.10 09:44:24 by chaz Reply

  • @chaz (Comment 48) : Its an intricate flow, Chaz. The Sharks take from the Free State. Europe takes from the Sharks, and when they get old and broken the Lions take from Europe. Its the circle of life. Didnt you see the Lion King? Its a bit of an Earl, but there you have it.

  • Comment 49, posted at 02.06.10 09:54:18 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • It’s worse than a circus…

  • Comment 50, posted at 02.06.10 09:55:58 by lostfish Reply
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  • Well its official James is not playing, he is out. Kirchner replacing him.

  • Comment 51, posted at 02.06.10 09:59:16 by Uli Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 50) : who is 😕

  • Comment 52, posted at 02.06.10 09:59:39 by chaz Reply

  • @Uli (Comment 51) : now that is 👿 😈

  • Comment 53, posted at 02.06.10 10:01:36 by chaz Reply

  • @Pablo Dinero (Comment 49) :


    You know, you’re such an E&%L!! 😈 😆

  • Comment 54, posted at 02.06.10 10:03:46 by wpw Reply
  • Just heard Bekker is also out and Matfield going over….what a mess this is turning out to be.

  • Comment 55, posted at 02.06.10 10:33:58 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 55) : yes.indeed.

    would be better if PdV just got the proper team from the very beginning.
    I think of all the players Victor probably needs most rest – would rather send some youngster over.

  • Comment 56, posted at 02.06.10 10:37:26 by rekinek Reply
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  • oh well – pity about Butch but perhaps one should realise that his Boks days are over and he had good days really.

  • Comment 57, posted at 02.06.10 10:38:25 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 55) : this is not good at all :mrgreen:

  • Comment 58, posted at 02.06.10 10:42:36 by chaz Reply

  • @rekinek (Comment 57) : He would have provided great depth in a position we are a bit thin. This is a pity.

  • Comment 59, posted at 02.06.10 10:47:35 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • @rekinek (Comment 56) : what is it with the old guys always getting in the side stime PDV is going to have to get younger players because the oldies is getting old and the young must take their place
    and then the WC 2011 is around the corner 😕

  • Comment 60, posted at 02.06.10 10:49:42 by chaz Reply

  • @Pablo Dinero (Comment 59) : but then again – he was not chosen on the bench.
    still one year to WC – rather see how younger players do – even Meyer Bosman can do FL if needed.

  • Comment 61, posted at 02.06.10 10:53:28 by rekinek Reply
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  • @chaz (Comment 60) : Yes, but its good to have a blend of youth and experience. If the Boks make the finals and Morne Steyn gets injured in the last 20 mins, who do you want coming onto the field, Butch James or Peter Grant/Ruan Pienaar/Earl Rose???

  • Comment 62, posted at 02.06.10 10:58:27 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • @rekinek (Comment 57) :

    To be honest with you I don’t agree as I have watched him play for Bath recently and from what I saw he is still good enough and could add value to the Boks.

    We don’t really have that many flyhalves challenging Morne Steyn and if he does get injured who would you have at 10 in an NB RWC game??

    Grant?? Tiger Pienaar or our World Cup winning flyhalf Butch James!! 😈 😉

  • Comment 63, posted at 02.06.10 11:06:26 by wpw Reply
  • @Pablo Dinero (Comment 62) :

    Wow Earl.

    SNAP!! 😈 😆

  • Comment 64, posted at 02.06.10 11:12:42 by wpw Reply
  • @Pablo Dinero (Comment 62) : well BJ is out by the looks of it ER 👿 😈 no way so it leaves us with oupa and PG
    must be sbody else we can always move FSteyn to 10 and P Lambie to 15 now how about that 😉

  • Comment 65, posted at 02.06.10 11:16:39 by chaz Reply

  • @wpw (Comment 64) : Earl me, that was impressive.. you know what they say about great minds. They say that none of those exist on this forum 🙂

  • Comment 66, posted at 02.06.10 11:16:52 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • @chaz (Comment 65) : Im not sure BJ Botha is the answer at flyhalf either :mrgreen:

  • Comment 67, posted at 02.06.10 11:19:05 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 63) : i haven’t watch Butch play for ages so won’t argue with his form. though after Brits getting the best player award I’m in serious doubts about the Premership standards.

    as said still one year to WC – don’t you think that Grant should make a step up?

  • Comment 68, posted at 02.06.10 11:19:42 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Pablo Dinero (Comment 62) : the tiger 😆

  • Comment 69, posted at 02.06.10 11:20:26 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Pablo Dinero (Comment 67) : smitties kicking game improved recently so we should be fine here :mrgreen:

  • Comment 70, posted at 02.06.10 11:21:15 by rekinek Reply
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  • @Pablo Dinero (Comment 66) : surly you have a great mind but Earl Rose not ever alike he can’t even play rugby that s why he always on the bench and hoping they pic him to play he must just stay where he is in the SNOILS team 😉

  • Comment 71, posted at 02.06.10 11:22:15 by chaz Reply

  • @chaz (Comment 71) : 😆 No, you misunderstand me. Earl is a euphemism for a more common 4 letter word that begins with f…

  • Comment 72, posted at 02.06.10 11:24:18 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • @Pablo Dinero (Comment 72) : that is correct he is a big [email protected]
    like KSA would call it

  • Comment 73, posted at 02.06.10 11:26:19 by chaz Reply

  • @chaz (Comment 73) : yes, but we are trying to keep it friendly 😉 Like Keos relationship with Craig Joubert

  • Comment 74, posted at 02.06.10 11:27:56 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • @Pablo Dinero (Comment 74) : 🙄 ok if you insist 😆

  • Comment 75, posted at 02.06.10 11:30:16 by chaz Reply

  • Fantastic, another disappointment. Just what the Sharks fans need.

    So Crusty will move to fullback and Steyn to 12 now I guess?

    It`s too soon for Olivier to start. I`m still in Super 14 mode, everytime he touch the ball I`ll be rooting for a welshman to take his head off in the age old Bulls tradition . . .

  • Comment 76, posted at 02.06.10 12:13:13 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Pablo Dinero (Comment 24) :

    Seems it WASN’T a rumour afterall. 🙁

    Looks like Sauce led us up the garden path with his @Worcestershire Sauce (Comment 11) : comment. 😛

  • Comment 77, posted at 02.06.10 14:53:56 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 76) :

    Someone said it somewhere. amazing how all the guys playing out of position are being sorted by injuries. 🙂

  • Comment 78, posted at 02.06.10 14:54:45 by KSA Shark © Reply

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