Replacing the Boks

Written by Warren Smith (war1)

Posted in :Currie Cup, Original Content on 9 Aug 2010 at 15:45
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Well, it was nice to have them while it lasted but the time has come for the Bok contingent of the Sharks to move on to national duty which means the Sharks will have to fill the gaps which have appeared.

The front row is the first area which needs to filled, with Pat Cilliers at loosehead and Wiehan Herbst the automatic choices to fill in for Beast Mtawarira and Jannie du Plessis respectively. While Kyle Cooper would come back from the under 21s to take his place on the bench in place of Bismarck du Plessis.

The Sharks do not have a problem with loose forward depth, although the injury to Jean Deysel does mean an important player is missing, but the number 8 position vacated by Ryan Kankowski will in all likelihood be filled by Willem Alberts who performed mightily against his old team on the weekend.

It is the absence of winger JP Pietersen which could lead to the most interesting selection issues. His place could be filled by Lionel Mapoe if he wins his court case and when he recovers from his shoulder injury. However, if he is not ready to play by the time JP joins up with the Boks (I’m honestly not sure when Odwa will be back either) a backline shuffle could be on the cards. Stefan Terblanche could move out of the unfamiliar centre position to wing or fullback which would leave a place for Piet Lindeque or Arno van Zyl in the 13 jersey. Plum has seemed to throw off the conservative shackles a bit in this Currie cup and the selection of a young centre could happen. It might also be all the more important to select a specialist centre against the Leopards this weekend as Walter Venter has made an enormous difference to the Potch men’s midfield and he may well catch Stef out in a position he is only filling in at.

Whatever happens it will be interesting to see Plum’s midfield and back three selections over the coming weeks.


  • Odwa will be back this week..

  • Comment 1, posted at 09.08.10 16:04:35 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 1) : nice, that might put paid to my centre idea, still think we need to play two specialist centres, the difference walla venter has made to the leopards is actually scary

  • Comment 2, posted at 09.08.10 16:06:21 by war1 Reply
  • Another left field option:

    Stefan, Ludick, Odwa, Swanepoel, Mvovo, Lambie, McLeod.

    You all agree Odwa lost some pace, so move him closer to the action. He probably won`t boot the ball away like Stefan so might be an improvement. Stefan could flourish in his more familiar position again and I think Ludick has experience on the wing already. 😈

  • Comment 3, posted at 09.08.10 16:18:37 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 3) : only problem with Oddington at 13 is his hands…

  • Comment 4, posted at 09.08.10 16:39:04 by robdylan Reply
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  • with both Deysel and Kanko unavailable, we need to get Rhodes and possibly Downey back into the mix pronto. I’m telling you now, that Botes-Daniel combo wouldn’t have worked if the tight five hadn’t been so rampant. We won’t have that luxury against WP.

    My starting trio to face WP is Daniel 6, Rhodes 7 and Vic 8. That will do nicely. Botes can replace Rhodes after an hour

  • Comment 5, posted at 09.08.10 16:41:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • When will we know about Mapoe? Also how is his injury doing?

  • Comment 6, posted at 09.08.10 17:24:08 by Puma Reply

  • @Puma (Comment 6) : I was under the impression that he’s ready to play – it all depends on the arbitration result.

  • Comment 7, posted at 09.08.10 17:26:49 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 3) :

    Easier option with less players out of place.

    15. Ludik
    14. Odwa
    13. Stefan
    12. Swanepoel
    11. Mvovo
    10. Lambie
    9. Mcleod

  • Comment 8, posted at 09.08.10 17:27:13 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 8) : That would be the logical option, I just tried to move Stefan away from 13.

  • Comment 9, posted at 09.08.10 17:38:21 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 8) :
    Why change Strauss after a top-notch game?

    @robdylan (Comment 5) :
    Reckon we may start with Rhodes on the bench due to his versatility.

    I think we can manage everywhere, with the only question over the young props scrumming abilities.

  • Comment 10, posted at 09.08.10 17:50:00 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 10) : Rhodes is versatile in what way exactly? 🙂

  • Comment 11, posted at 09.08.10 18:17:58 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 10) :

    Forgot about Strauss actually. was just looking at OP’s original players and noticed that they were out of place.

    I would go with Strauss ahead of Swannie, while Swanie is getting back into the swing of things.

  • Comment 12, posted at 09.08.10 18:27:56 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Backline v Leopards:



    Would that be too much of a risk? If the forwards keep up the good work, I honestly think that could be a worthwhile blooding of two youngsters. I guess you have to start with Oom Stef though; would giving Hargreaves or Botes a crack at the captaincy for one week be that disruptive? Same with Kockott for McLeod – would it ruin the fledgling 9/10 partnership with Lambie to satiate Kockott’s need for game time?

  • Comment 13, posted at 09.08.10 19:35:56 by MerckZ Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 11) : He can cover No.4 Lock, ne?

    If given the choice, Whiteley or Rhodes? Roll the squad-list back 6 months, who would you have kept in hindsight?

  • Comment 14, posted at 09.08.10 19:43:36 by MerckZ Reply

  • Rob, he can play 8 and lock too at a pinch. I rate him: high work rate and very physical.

    Merck, not sure on what basis you would drop Mcleod: he has brought a real spark to the backline.

  • Comment 15, posted at 09.08.10 19:58:07 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 15) : I wouldn’t regard it as a drop, merely rotation. Let him put his feet up this weekend and give Kockott reason to smile, maybe prove something. He’s looked very sullen on the bench of late. McLeod has been very refreshing – but getting Rory back into form with a bit of game time against the Leopards wouldn’t alter the backline chemistry too much, surely?

  • Comment 16, posted at 09.08.10 20:08:04 by MerckZ Reply

  • @MerckZ (Comment 16) :

    maybe not the chemistry but certainly the speed and quality of service. 🙁

  • Comment 17, posted at 09.08.10 20:18:15 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Agree on Kockott looking very sullen. Maybe playing will help channel the energy constructively. In any event, I am worried about his mental strength based on the attitude he is projecting at the moment.

    As my boss used to say, he is deep in the valley of despair.

  • Comment 18, posted at 09.08.10 20:28:10 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Rob Loves Windows!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Comment 19, posted at 09.08.10 21:11:04 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @MerckZ (Comment 14) : Rhodes. Whiteley did nothing for the Lions other than make 31 tackles 🙂

  • Comment 20, posted at 09.08.10 21:26:47 by robdylan Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 19) : bastard 🙂

  • Comment 21, posted at 09.08.10 21:27:04 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 15) : Rhodes is certainly very physical when there’s a crush of people between him and the bar…

  • Comment 22, posted at 09.08.10 21:28:04 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 21) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 23, posted at 09.08.10 21:32:14 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • I hate my old pc…

    Many a great player has enjoyed a tipple.

    As long as he manages it, no real issue there. He is just 23 after all. When I was an undergrad I would have sold my good name to get drunk.

    Come to think of it…

  • Comment 24, posted at 09.08.10 21:52:44 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Me too fish. But I don’t use my body to earn a living

  • Comment 25, posted at 09.08.10 22:14:27 by robdylan Reply
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  • 😆 😆 😆

  • Comment 26, posted at 09.08.10 22:32:31 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 19) : :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 27, posted at 09.08.10 22:35:38 by war1 Reply
  • @robdylan (Comment 5) : 100% No room for 2 light weights in the loose trio.

  • Comment 28, posted at 10.08.10 09:10:46 by Oubaas2009 Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 5) : Rob, I think with Alberts at the back we have a little more balance in the loosies even if Botes and Keegan plays. But then with Burden at 2, it probably will be best to bring Rhodes back…I’m just a little worried that he’s kept himself a little scares at gametime. Low work rate on attack and defense, that means even if he brings bulk to the team it won’t make much of a difference if he doesn’t up his work-rate a little. I might be wrong about this, but that’s how I felt in the first few games. If I am right though, then I would probably just stick with Keegan and Botes. Once Kanko comes back though, one of them needs to drop to the bench for sure.

    I think Plum might stick with a Botes/keegan/Alberts combination also.

  • Comment 29, posted at 10.08.10 10:09:44 by Letgo Reply
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  • I do entrust that we get the balance of the forwards right without Wolla being there for 6-8 weeks… The Shark squad is looking good… Rob, told you the Bok selections would not deprive our Shark squad… No radical selections, the same squad with a few changes in the starting lineup…

  • Comment 30, posted at 10.08.10 10:13:15 by DarkDestroyer Reply

  • @MerckZ (Comment 13) : Kockett needs to fix his attitude and ruck clearance before he can play starting scrummy again. His place in the team has been taken by a superior player, you don’t pout about that, you improve your game and proof your worth to your coaches. Maybe if we want to rest McLeod players like Ross Cronje and Reinach rather deserves a call-up! That will show Kockett to sit and pout on the bench. He was like this in the S14 also, when he won man of the match in the Stormers game his reaction was a clear…”Why haven’t the coaches selected me earlier?”. It won’t be a huge loss if he decides to go slow service to some other teams backline. Harsh…? Maybe….

  • Comment 31, posted at 10.08.10 10:15:11 by Letgo Reply
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  • @MerckZ (Comment 13) : The team I would select…to mix it up a little, but not to much.

    15. Ludick
    14. Rosco Speckman/Mark Richards
    13. Piet Lindeque/Arno van Zyl
    12. Strauss
    11. Mvovo
    10. Lambie
    9. McLeod
    8. Alberts
    7. Daniel
    6. Botes
    5. Hargreaves
    4. Sykes
    3. Herbst
    2. Cooper
    1. Cilliers

    Van Eden/Burden/Marais/Rhodes/Cronje or Reinach/Pretorius/Terblanche

    Rosco Speckman has impressed me everytime I saw him play and I would give him a go in this game.

    I’ve liked how both our junior outside centers looked, it’s not like we have 13’s lining up behind Adi, this is the perfect opportunity to test them out at a higher level without to much disruption to the team.

    I would start with McLeod and Lambie and close the game out (hopefully) and then put Cronje or Reinach with Andre Pretoruis who is due to return this weekend. He will need some gametime and to proof himself a worthy sub and will provide the experience needed outside one of the young scrummy’s.

    Kockett can watch the game from home and hopefully realise that pouting never got anyone anything. Unless you are a three year old living in the USA.

  • Comment 32, posted at 10.08.10 10:29:02 by Letgo Reply
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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 30) : It’s nice to have those Bokkies around, but the guys who fill their shoes, have been filling them nicely lately. Alberts for Kanko. Burden and Cooper for Bismark. Herbst and Cilliers for Jannie and Beast. Lambie and McLeod for Ruan.

    It makes me kinda sad that we will see less of these players once the S15 comes. But it’s nice to know that the back-up players are now becoming players who can actually push for a starting position…

    Not to mention the Young talent coming through.

    I hope this feeling lasts a while. 😀

    I would hate for the Sharks management to screw this up.

  • Comment 33, posted at 10.08.10 10:47:00 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 33) : Can’t argue that… 😉

  • Comment 34, posted at 10.08.10 10:48:57 by DarkDestroyer Reply


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