Jake White has made his intentions clear that he wants to take the Springboks to the 2011 World Cup to be played in New Zealand. White wants to get the core management team together that went to the World Cup in 2007, including Eddie Jones and team doctor Derick Coetzee.
Jake was quoted in a Sunday newspaper as saying that he was sick of watching the poor performances by the Springboks and is ready to do a hospital job, if the union wants him. He has already made contact with Eddie Jones and Derick Coetzee, who are both on board.
Jake White has already spoken to Oregan Hoskins, who has not yet commented publicly. Hoskins’ reply to White was that the idea needed to be approved by an executive council.
Current coach Peter de Villiers will go through the normal performance review that follows any international tour or tournament. This review will cover the bad results from the past few months where the Boks lost 5 from their 6 games, as well as the recent comments he made in the media.
More on this as information becomes available.
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Wow Jake’s timing is impeccable isn’t it??
The author of the S.Times article is the same dude that wrote Jake’s book.
He seems to forget that he too had a VERY average 2006 season, 5 defeats in a row… I can’t recall any coaches making themselves available during that time.
Jake is a SNAKE!!
@wpw (Comment 1) :
No other coach could make himslef available as every journo was in bed with Jake..
Fantastic timing..
If Jake does get to coach the Boks for the world Cup I reckon he would seriously see his arse!
Unless he truely is a miracle worker (which I don’t think he is 😉 ), he will find it very difficult to repeat the WC vistory of 2007… a lot of it is preparation over 4 years (which he wouldn’t have) and a lot of luck (which I doubt he’d have twice in a row).
He’d be on a hiding to nothing!
@CS (Comment 3) : @Richard Ferguson (Comment 2) : you guys are missing some facts. not only is jake willing to join, but eddie wants a ride. and we all know it was eddie that won us the rwc not jake. so if jake is the way we get eddie in, so be it. better than the clowns we have parading as coaches.
I did not know Jake White took up stand-up comedy recently…???
@CS (Comment 3) : Or he could just turn it all around, and bring back the cup.
Ok, maybe that is a little optimistic, but he could get us to the semi-final. How far do you think we will get with the current set-up?
@try time (Comment 4) : The “stars have to be aligned” so perfectly that I don’t reckon any coach can pull it off twice, so much of it comes down to luck… in fact, part of me thinks it’s better that we have another preformance like 2003 so that there can be a complete clean-out after the 2011 WC… to set us up properly for 2015.
It is the same core of players from Jakes previous SUCCESSFUL stint…so there is no reason why he and the same coaching staff cant just walk straight in. The problem is getting the team back in to playing fitness. Our conditioning and fitness is shocking. This is the first time ever i have seen the opposition out last us at altitude. Embarrasing. Players not past their prime – 95% of them out clased the Ozzies and Kiwis in the S14…
Jake White to get us to and thru the World Cup – afterwards,
Heinke Meyer and Alistair Coetzee….
No way “I am the Boss” Snor and his cover up lies will get us anything but more wooden spoons.
IF for some reason PdV isn’t the coach to take us to the RWC then it should be Heyneke Meyer.
@Greg (Comment 6) : Whether we loose in the semi’s to Argentina or the Finals against NZ or Australia it will still be seen as a failure… that’s just how the SA public are
We have to remember that, even though we won the Cup in 2007, we never faced NZ or Australia..
In the other two world cups where we fell short, we went down to Aus or NZ in the knock out phases..
So was that luck or a great team?
@Just a Fan (Comment 8) :
so there is no reason why he and the same coaching staff cant just walk straight in
Other than the fact that the laws and game style have had a complete overhaul since Jake won the 2007 RWC. 😕
@KSA Shark © (Comment 9) :
As much as it grates me to say it I agree 100%. 😕
@KSA Shark © (Comment 12) :
Good point KSA..
And as a matter of interest, will Jake not be completely out of coaching form as he is coaching some random club or varsity side?
@KSA Shark © (Comment 12) : they are all still involved with the game – just not the springboks.
“We dont need a defensive coach” PDivvy seems to be stuck in another version of the game , so really it cant be any worse.
What became glaringly obvious to me this weekend after the Lions/WP game, is that it’s not just Snor that is useless, it’s the whole coaching staff… including Gold and Muir.
We all knew Gold was useless… but it’s amazing what Mitchell has done in a few weeks with “half the talent” what Muir couldn’t do in a whole season!!
@CS (Comment 10) : True, but currently we don’t look like making it out of the group stage 😥
@CS (Comment 16) : The whole Lions/Muir/Lions/Mitchell is hugely frightening…and SARU are doing nothing.
@Just a Fan (Comment 15) :
That’s like saying Michael Schumacher was still involved in motorsport and therefore if he want to come back into F1 hw will manage fine. We all know how that worked out.
“We dont need a defensive coach” PDivvy seems to be stuck in another version of the game , so really it cant be any worse.
Did PdV say that? Strange that he would say that after he tried to get the WP defensive coach to join the Bok group a few weeks ago.
@KSA Shark © (Comment 12) :
And Jake has been coaching ‘Koshuis’ rugby since then!! 😆
@wpw (Comment 20) :
Ag hy is te kosbaar.
@KSA Shark © (Comment 9) : With less than a year to go, I certainly wouldn’t want the coaching job… you’d have absolutely no time to mould a team…
The senior players are supposed to be rested during the EOYT, and the next time they play is the World Cup… so there’s no time to turn the ship now… we’re heading for the ice berg and it’s too late for anything IMO
@KSA Shark © (Comment 19) :
Jake is COACH and not PLAYER – MS has come back as adriver not an advisor…and when he made his come back – he said it would take 3yrs for him to get back to where he was….context context context!
PDV said it this weekend – just a another contradiction from a person who appears to suffer from schizophrenia and or / dilussions.
Back to work for me. cheers
@CS (Comment 22) : Sadly true!
@CS (Comment 22) :
They are playing in the Tri Nations next year, just before the World Cup
@Richard Ferguson (Comment 26) : Ouch… that’s going to be a scary barometer!
jake white can go to hell! He hasn’t coached rugby since 2007, added zilch to the lions with his ‘Winning Ways’ ruse! No other country has EVER sought his services, WHY?
@Megatron (Comment 28) :
Cos he’s an arrogant twit that why!! 😆 😀
@Megatron (Comment 28) : I reckon we have more chance of SARU bringing back Nick Mallett than Jake White 😆
@Megatron (Comment 28) : Amazingly and for the very first time i agree with you megman!!not any intended incite at all ,well done you may be human after all!!!
WTF is this thread allowed when an article I post DETAILING White’s actions is not?? F*cking unbelievable. 🙄
@klempie (Comment 32) : when ? where dude what gives??
@ruggabugga (Comment 33) :
scroll on by… nothing to see here!!
keep moving people… 😈 😆
@wpw (Comment 34) :
@ruggabugga (Comment 33) : I posted the original Sunday Times article on the player ratings thread before this thread was created and it got deleted. 🙄
@klempie (Comment 36) : 🙄 ❓
@wpw (Comment 34) : dude am i not as privilaged as you as not to know whats going on [email protected]klempie (Comment 36) : this kind of stuff used to happen in the old days,i truely thought those days were over???
@diablo (Comment 37) : @ruggabugga (Comment 38) : Apparently I was being “political”!! 🙄
@klempie (Comment 39) : like i said i really thought this kind of thing was in our forgotten past!!!!!
@Megatron (Comment 28) : True, true. It seems like a bit of a stunt for some cheap PR. Obviously his ‘consulting firm’ isn’t winning anybody over.
@klempie (Comment 39) :
The article mentioned the ‘Bees Roux’ incident which is also a ‘no no’ 🙄
@wpw (Comment 42) : The article mentioned Bees Roux. Not my problem. If there was an issue with that section, Rob could simply have removed the offending section in the post. I don’t believe in posting anything other than the full article.
@klempie (Comment 43) : you’re not going to win this one because it’s my site and I will determine the editorial policy.
Posting entire articles as comments on an unrelated thread is, to my mind, fully worthy of moderation. Now you’re admitting that some part of what you posted breached the rules. Why then did you post it? I really don’t need to likes of you to tell me what I should and shouldn’t be doing on my own website.
@robdylan (Comment 44) : I’m just saying, it was heavy handed moderation. If you felt that part of it was political (I don’t), then by all means remove that part…but removing posts wholesale like that is fairly draconian.
Come on Jake!
One would think that JW would be bigger than this.
@blueski palooski (Comment 46) : Ag, I saw the original article and it’s a complete sham. It pits Jake White as the ‘savior’ to all our woes. Talk about a journalistic agenda! The fact of the matter is that the World Cup is a year away and changing the coach is not as important as the senior players pulling their thumbs out of their rectums and playing like they’re paid to do!
Sure there is a problem but I don’t think JW is the answer. In fact it might be a little too late to try and change things at this stage.
@CapeShark (Comment 47) : Ditto… the “core player” you refer to should step up or should have step out last year after the Lions tour. No room for free rides. I would rather have a player hungry to win the cup then a player who feels he has nothing left to prove.
And I know I might get a few poster upset by saying this, but I get the feeling that it is about milestones for certain players rather then the Jersey they pull over their heads.
@Farlington (Comment 48) : I agree with you. I reckon John and Victor are embroiled in a personal war to see who will blink first… all about ending your career with a record for “most caps” that is unlikely to be beaten for some years.
haha!! I think Jake must be loving this. He did not exactly have the best relationship with SARU while he was the man in control and the idea that they would ask him to step in must do his ego very well.
Jake really does have a lot to say, but I don’t think him, Eddie Jones, Mother Theresa or any other miracle workers out there will be able to help the Boks into the World Cup Final next year – the way the draw stand we are likely to meet NZ in the Semi Final and no amount of emergency measures and coach swopping and fitness bootcamps can get that lot in shape to defend the title.
I’m sure they’ll be competitive to a certain degree, but the way things are going I just can’t see them going past NZ in the Semi’s and then beating Aus in the final aswell.
@CapeShark (Comment 47) : Couldn’t agree more. However, Jake must be in some kind of dream world if he thinks that he has a chance of coming close to the Green and Gold again! He also needs to remember 2006, did he have Nick Mallet slating him? No, he didn’t. So, what gives him the right to come out and put even more pressure on his beloved Boks??? His timing sucks and for him to come out fists pumping, declaring himself as the Bok saviour smacks of a man sporting more arrogance than gold! Maybe he should have a look at his Winning Ways and how useful that turned out to be…we just have to ask the Lions, because they got worse!
@robdylan (Comment 49) : i dont think thats in Johns character!!Remember Rob he does not choose himself nor does Victor.fair but rubbish comment!
@blueski palooski (Comment 51) :
AMEN!! 😉
@ruggabugga (Comment 52) : he doesn’t choose himself but he has an open enough relationship with the coach that he could get himself dropped if he wanted to. So, to an extent, he is picking himself.
@robdylan (Comment 54) : dude who drops himself??would you fall on your sword at work knowing you throwing away your next payslip??
@Megatron (Comment 28) : Dont want to argue with someone with superior rugby knowledge to me after Jake and the team won the RWC he was offered 3 coaching positions but elected to take a years sabbatical to fix his personal life which resulted in divorce,and he also needed to recharge his batteries
I am not in favour of changing coach now it will be a disaster if we did and SARU have learnt chopping and changing wont work
PDIV did try and get a defensive coach but he elected to stay with WP-wonder how he feels now-
Jake and the Boks in 2006 was not good and i wonder to my self how many of you called for jake to be kicked out in 2006 and how many of you were man enough or woman enough to apologize to him after the 2007 victory Or lets put it this way How many will eat humble pie when PDV and the self same bok team win the RWC
Personally Im happy with Blacks and wobblies out front and with us tucked in behind And to quote Horseracing-for Richard- we have just entered the straight 600 meters to go and the jockey has not gone for his whip yet
There might be one or three changes to the side but this is the core that will take us to the world cup and have a very good chance to win it-no other side has every won back to back victories I rekon we will be the first with this team this coach and a few tweaks
@ruggabugga (Comment 55) : so John is, after all, only human and will look after number 1?
There goes your argument 🙂
@Fattmann (Comment 56) :How could it be a disaster if we changed coaches? How much influence to you think Pdivy has on the team anyway? If he gets the boot, the team could very easily run itself. We need someone that can pull the team back together and I believe the right guy for the job is Ali Coetzee from Province. He knows what it’s like in the Bok camp and has done wonders for Province. Under our current “coach”, this could very easily be the first Springbok team to lose 2 matches at a World Cup. Now, imagine that.
@blueski palooski (Comment 58) : that may be true about alistar But let him win something first
and unless you have inside info that the team is running and selecting itself changing a coach even back to jake would be a full blown disaster
then it will be oh if only
Jake can consult and that might be possible cos his real strength as a coach is the ability to analyse opposition and plan a counter to them so He might consult
@blueski palooski (Comment 58) : we lost 2 matches in 2003 under Kartoffelkopf
@robdylan (Comment 60) : Ooof, how could I mess that up!
@blueski palooski (Comment 61) : attention to detail 🙂
Welcome to the site, BTW. I like your contributions so far… 🙂
We certainly don’t need Jake White and I’m also not sure about Heyneke, who will probably keep Spies, Kirschner, Chilliboy, Meisiekind, etc. in the squad no matter what.
PDivvy could stay until his contract runs out, but I just wish he would get himself a decent support team, because the current duo of Muir/Gold are obviously hopelessly out of their depth.
Someone like Eddie Jones or John Mitchell, who I’m sure knows how to work with the loads of talent we have here and haven’t crept up anyone’s arse, will be able to sort out this mess before the EOYT and get a semblance of a winning culture and momentum back before it’s too late.
And while we’re at it – PDivvy needs to get a competent PR manager so that he can concentrate on “coaching” the Boks.
Dude PDV should freaking pack up and go live in PE for all I care.
He has no self respect and I thought he would change after going to MMC but that seems to have been just a act to get support for himself.
The fact is even though JW might be out his depths at the current state of moment at least we can blame the fact of changing the couching staff right before the world cup for loosing the world cup than blaming PDV yet again for loosing us something important
.
Yes the players should also be accounted for, but really how much have they actually done them selves to hide the truth from the public?
The players are not just drained from the rugby field but also from to public spats PDV makes every week.
I would rather JW have us loose the WC than PDV as at least I know we stood a much better chance FFS.
@robdylan (Comment 57) : i think my whole arguement revolves around the fact that he (JS) Does not pick himself nor is he of the opinion (unlike yourself) that he should be dropped or absurdly drop himself.What is (he’s only human)got to do with anything??
@ Richard Ferguson
I still see no reason why you should refer to Jake as a snake!
At least there is one person who actually wants to help the boks win.
Did you know the defensive coach from WP didn’t want to help the boks?? shows you how much he cares… or maybe it tells you the truth that no one actually want to touch the current coaching setup as there is too much blood on the current staff and do not want to be affiliated with the nonsense going on there.
@Uli (Comment 64) :
The same Jake White that failed to beat the All Blacks in NZ??
Didn’t Div beat them at home TWICE??
That Jake White??
The one who said only one or two Irish players are good enough to make the Bok team?? And then they thrashed us a few days later??
The Jake who led us to a 0-49 loss against Australia??
5 defeats in a row in 2006??
Should I continue?? 🙄 ❓
@wpw (Comment 67) : Yes please continue…
then I will go and make a list of PDV, but who is going to pay me for my year work?
@wpw (Comment 67) : BTW, are you actualy saying this guy is any good?
WPW stop smoking ganja dude!
@Uli (Comment 68) :
*sigh*
PDV is by no means perfect but I am of the opinion that the Boks are too good a team to not perform at the RWC and once our top players like FDP, Bissie, Brussow, Bakkies return and some of our other world class performers like John, Habana, Mossie, JP and Frans regain their top form, we will be unstoppable like we were in 2009!!
@wpw (Comment 70) :
Positive comments are much appreciated 🙂
@Uli (Comment 66) :
If you approached my boss publicly while I am still working for him, you are a snake.. period..
@wpw (Comment 70) : I hope you right.
Will the Champions please stand up. We have a title to defend.
@Richard Ferguson (Comment 72) :
No if I approach him behind your back and make sure you loose your job and make sure he employed me then I am a snake!
How can you say he is a snake if he is open about it all? We all know we need a new coach and yes I agree that its probably too late considering the world cup is so close. However PDV have had way too many chances compared to other coaches, and if we want to stand any chance of defending that cup we need white involved either as a consultant or as a coach.
We need all the fire power we have at the moment to get everything back on track.
@klempie (Comment 32) :
Oh please tell me nobody has already jumped on him? Coz I want to!!!!!!!
Hey go hide away in Tswane somewhere. You are more hard of hearing than my daughter. The article YOU posted had a whole lot of other references in it to CRAP that we don’t alllow on this site.
WORD WAKKER WORD WAKKER JOU DAG RAAK AL HOE KAKKER!!!!!!!
@Uli (Comment 74) :
Its a bastard move.. there is no need to publicly make yourself available like that.. Its all a publicity stunt that is completely unnecessary..
I agree that PdV is not the best thing around, but come on, Jake isn’t much better!! Jake hasn’t coached a top flight team in 3 years, and has no idea where we are at the moment.
@klempie (Comment 43) :
Not your problem?????????? Awe c’mon dude pull the other one. If you knew it was wrong then why post it.
Did you get bliksemed a lot at school? 😛
@Farlington (Comment 73) :
Yea I also hope he is right.
I cant think that we had 30 players in the final of the super 14 and we getting these results plus to add to it the sharks was not that far off of getting in either, so we can add another 7 or 8 to that list. That gives us 37 top players who beat Aus and NZ hands down. That gives us two full teams who should be able to beat aus or NZ without a problem, so don’t give the excuse of we missing this guy or that one… as bakkies didn’t even play in the super 14. FDP is a big loss but FH is just as good and so is Ruan.
PDV has stuffed RP and JS and Frans Steyn’s rugby careers up big time without a doubt.
Someone needs to take responsibility for the current state of SA rugby and who is it going to be?
@Richard Ferguson (Comment 76) : I agree he might not be in top form but he really will give us all a much beter chance of winning the cup than the current crop of coaches and you know that.
@Uli (Comment 79) :
I disagree.. Completely..
The best chance we have right now is to stick with what we have and try our best..
A new coach will mean new structures and new game plans and there is no time for that..
I will put my head on a block right now and say that the Boks will make the semi’s next year..
@KSA Shark © (Comment 75) :
WORD WAKKER WORD WAKKER JOU DAG RAAK AL HOE KAKKER!!!!!!!
I actually came home and had a lekker dos this afternoon. Know those ones where you feel like you’ve woken up from a coma? One of them. 😎
@Richard Ferguson (Comment 80) :
I agree.
Look, Div is annoying the crap out of me with his recent comment BUT one has to look at how the team performed since he took over and in particular last year when we beat the AB’s 3 times!!
We can go all the way next year but we will need some luck along the way and hope the AB’s choke when we face them in the semis!!
@wpw (Comment 82) :
Look, Div is annoying the crap out of me with his recent comment
Oh so you’ve finally caved??
White’s boks of 2006 did not really inspire either. 49-nil to wooblies.
my worry with divvy is that if these rumours about senior players running the team are any truth. the coach must run the team. full stop.
Jake White: I’ve already made contact with Saru president Oregan Hoskins but he keeps telling me he has to run the idea past the executive council
Hmmmmmm he seems serious
@KSA Shark © (Comment 85) :
Same Exec. that fired him? 😛
@rekinek (back to rugby) (Comment 84) : Jake White had a kak 2006 because was experimenting and blooding youngsters. Most fans were calling for his head then. I wasn’t. Cos I could see what he was doing. No one has any idea wth Div is up to.
Klemps
You talking shite! Look at the team that lost 0-49 and only Spies was a youngster making his debut.
The rest were all regulars in the squad!! 🙄
@wpw (Comment 88) : and all the rest were 4 years younger than now 😈
would be interesting to dig out the team sheet for this game and check it out.
There were some new faces this year 3N but mainly as substitutes for regulars that are injured ie. du preez.
I’m worried that this bok team is a bit like england of 2007 – bunch of oldies that won 4 years before – though mind ou they got into the final, despite finishing second in their group. that’s achievement i guess.
@KSA Shark © (Comment 86) :
@blueski palooski (Comment 46) : yip. to be fair – he was not treated in the nicest way after bring little Ellis to SA but imo he then should have kept quiet and keep his moral highground instead of making these silly moves and loose respect for himself.
@wpw (Comment 88) : Yeh. And CONSISTENCY in selection when he did field the regulars paid off at the WC. Didn’t it? 😎
What is your point klempie?? You’re not making sense!! 🙄
@wpw (Comment 93) : That’s because I got my years mixed up. In 2006, Jake was trying to forge the team dynamic with consistent selection. Everyone gave him a hounding because it wasn’t working….right up until the EOYT when it finally clicked against England…who only just beat us by a bit of luck the week before. But the idea of consistent selection made complete sense to me.
It was 2007 when he rested the Boks in the Trinations and sent a B-side Down Under. The B-side nearly upset the AB’s and Aussies and we had a formidable blend of experience and youth going into the WC which we punished England with in the first round.
Div’s selections just tell me he’s got no plan.
We all know why you don’t rate Div!! You can claim that ‘he has no clue’ but he proved he can bring the best out of this team. He even achieved more than Jake has in his first 2 years!
When the Boks win its because the players are coaching the side and performing but when we lose its Div’s fault!
You making a fool of yourself by believing that crap!
@wpw (Comment 95) :
here’s the 49-0 Bok team
Springboks: 15 Percy Montgomery, 14
Akona Ndungane, 13 Jaque Fourie, 12
Wynard Olivier, 11 Bryan Habana, 10 Jaco
van der Westhuyzen, 9 Ricky Januarie; 8
Pierre Spies, 7 Juan Smith, 6 Joe van Niekerk,
5 Victor Matfield, 4 Danie Rossouw, 3 CJ van
der Linde, 2 John Smit (captain), 1 Os du
Randt.
Replacements: 16 Danie Coetzee, 17 Eddie
Andrews, 18 Albert van den Berg, 19
Jacques Cronje, 20 Fourie du Preez, 21
Meyer Bosman, 22 Breyton Paulse.
Thanks Megatron!! I was planning to post it in the morning.
That’s quite an experienced side!
@wpw (Comment 95) :
I believe the players have been coaching the side, win or lose, since before the last game of the 2008 Trinations, when it became patently obvious that Div’s “play what’s in front of you” approach was a shambles against opposition with a decent set of loosies. It was clear that week, that the senior players told Div to step in line and we thrashed the Aussies the following week by playing the brand of rugby Jake instilled in the team.
Since then, I believe they have basically told him “this is what’s going to happen”. What I have noticed is a DISTINCT correlation between the results of the Boks and the periods of controversy caused by our helium voiced friend in the media. He offers nothing on the coaching front and is basically only good for one thing. Breaking team morale! We were awesome against France this year when there was a distinct lack of smack-talking.
You and your theories are laughable!! You have no evidnece whatsoever!! 😆
@wpw (Comment 99) :
Why let evidence or facts get in the way of a good bullshit story? 😆
@wpw (Comment 99) : No one has evidence showing that Div is in charge either.
@wpw (Comment 99) : How do you explain the turnaround for the last game in 2008 after the booes in Durban?
@KSA Shark © (Comment 100) : that’s what I’m thinking 😆
@klempie (Comment 102) : what about last game – the booes started at the end of the second half.
and I mean they had awful first half and then it took them 20 min to get back. I dunno. these guys can do that but there seem to be attitude problem. having said that this aussie side is exciting but so unexperienced, when under pressure they seem to crumble – handling is letting them down .
@rekinek (back to rugby) (Comment 104) : You’re happy with the kind of consistency the Boks played with this weekend?
@klempie (Comment 105) : of course not.
was it a rhetoric question?
@wpw (Comment 97) : You may think it is an experienced side looking at it now but when you look at how many caps some of the players had it doesn’t seem as experienced.
Springboks:
15 Percy Montgomery – 74 caps
14 Akona Ndungane – 0 caps
13 Jaque Fourie – 20 caps
12 Wynard Olivier – 3 caps
11 Bryan Habana – 17 caps
10 Jaco van der Westhuyzen – 31 caps
9 Ricky Januarie – 11 caps
8 Pierre Spies – 0 caps
7 Juan Smith – 24 caps
6 Joe van Niekerk – 43 caps
5 Victor Matfield – 48 caps
4 Danie Rossouw – 16 caps
3 CJ van der Linde – 26 caps
2 John Smit (captain) – 54 caps
1 Os du Randt – 64 caps
Replacements:
16 Danie Coetzee – 14 caps
17 Eddie Andrews – 19 caps
18 Albert van den Berg – 35 caps
19 Jacques Cronje – 22 caps
20 Fourie du Preez – 24 caps
21 Meyer Bosman – 2 caps
22 Breyton Paulse – 58 caps
@lostfish (Comment 107) : it’s not the quantity of the experience, it is the quality! Wynad olivier has 32 caps currently but he is no better as an international 12 as whe he had 3, basically he is still [email protected]! Jake sold this bullsh*t idea that if he played dudes together for so long then the caps will translate to wins – i don’t care if you give jaco vd westhyzen 100 caps he will always be kak! 😡
those were the flawed selections of jake white and there’s no glossing over them!
When the game went haywire 49-0 jake panicked and called for butch james who at the time hadn’t played for the boks since 2002/3 in SA meanwhile he had taken meyer bosman to aus knowingly!
For instance how old was danie coetzee in 2006?
@Megatron (Comment 108) :
You make some good points there.
I do believe that experience at the highest level is a massive bonus, but like you said, it cant turn a turd into a coronet. Jakey didnt realise that when he insisted on guys like Wacko-Jaco, Olivier, Nokwe etc.
@Big Fish (Comment 109) : How abysmally kak was Wacko Jacko on the weekend?
@Baldrick (Comment 110) : No there’s a guy picked on experience and NOT form/ability.
@Megatron (Comment 108) : I am not trying to defend Jake with that post instead I was trying to highlight his mistakes of his selections as well as point out that the team was not as experienced as people believe it was. Yes there was some experience but it was also experience that should never have been there.
One of the main attack channels for the Aussies in that game was the 10 12 channel. The gaps were so wide you could have driven a bus through it.
A lot of those selections in that team were flawed as you pointed out. Both Spies and Akona had nightmare debuts. Joe van Niekerk was played out of position on the flank.
Jake made a huge mistake in his selections that day but he learned from them.
Danie Coetzee was 29 in 2006 but the last 2 tests he had played in were at the end of 2004.
If Divvy and Co are not going to be replaced then I hope they have learned from their mistakes this year and go back to the drawing board and have a long hard think about how they are going to salvage the current wreck. A lot of the selection this year have been massively flawed. The coaches keep persisting with Meisiekind but he has had 30 caps to show what he can do at international level and has been found out each time. Habana has 60 odd caps and at the moment he is so out of form and in need of a rest that he does not warrant a starting position or even one on the wing at the moment.
Where am I on Voldy ?
@Baldrick (Comment 111) :
Is Mametsa injured??
Can’t believe Jaco was ahead of him in the pecking order (for wing) during the S14 🙄 😯
@Big Fish (Comment 109) : Nokwe made his debut in 2008.
@rekinek (back to rugby) (Comment 106) : Yes. 🙂
Andre Snyman at wing!!
😕
@wpw (Comment 117) : Môre ou swaer. 😎
@Richard Ferguson (Comment 80) : Oh please you are dreaming. Wales are going to klap us, and dont forget how we strugle against Samoa and Fiji those two games are not easy at all.
That means we are then playing either Aus or Ireland and that means we are out the tournament.
BTW we slipped from 1st place on the IRB to 3rd in one year!!!
Jaco was the worst Springbok flyhalf we have ever had.
@Uli (Comment 120) :
Louis Koen??
Braam Van Stadig
Brent Russell
Andre Pretorius
🙄 😕
Why are u all up in arms about this?? Jake did well enough with his coaching team to get us a WC, FFS! Why not get him in an advisory roll say for EOYT, if it does not work all that well, sack him. Afterall, he does have some sort of idea as to what goes on on such a huge comp like the WC.
@Ice (Comment 122) : Eddie Jones was the advisor, Jake was maar net die ja-broer… 🙄
@Charlie (Comment 123) : Charlie, in the end it was Jake who hired him…because of what he new since 2003…I am now 100% sure, Jake did learn a lot, so why not use himN like he did Jones. I am sorryN and I am sure I am gonna get slapped on the knuckles for this, but somehow I cannot help that the disliking of Jake has nothing to do with rugby.
@wpw (Comment 121) : all of those players was way better than Jaco.
Jaco and jorrie kruger can go play rugby together.
@Ice (Comment 124) : @Ice (Comment 122) :
Jake had his turn. HE made it clear that he was leaving after the RWC. Now all of a sudden he wants his job back??
Nee wat, he is undermining PDV and the rest of his staff big time. Imagine one of your colleagues was after YOUR job and approached the boss!! Would you be ok with that?? 😕 🙄
@wpw (Comment 126) : yeah, I don’t like my job anymore, I make all sorts of crap comments too, but they don’t wanna fire me! 😈
He did not have a choice in leaving…remeber?? BTW – I suggest he assisyt PdIv, not take over – now go get your Gr1 books out of the attick and start over with the READ classes… 😉
@wpw (Comment 126) : Well if it was because I was incompetent then by all due respect I should resign as its not in the best interest of the firm then.
@Ice (Comment 127) : I did not comment on Jke wanting the job, I made a suggestion on how I think he could be utilised in the current set-up…
@wpw (Comment 126) : Probably nobody would like it, but if I was doing such a crap job, and making a complete idiot of myself, I would only have myself to blame if someone did that to me
@Ice (Comment 127) :
Aai tog. I asked you a serious question!! 🙄
@Greg (Comment 130) : I agree with you 100% there.
@wpw (Comment 131) :Okay – I will answer it seriously. No, I would laugh it off, cause I know I am very good at what I do. It would also give me some sort of satisfaction in a shitty kind of way.
Now, I ask u seriously to go an re-consider your comments and answer this seriously. Did Jake have a choice in leaving after the RWC? Was it not made clear that he will not be offered another one after the WC? Now u say he did not want it. Bullshit – he was sacked! And if I was sacked when I just (helped) winninga WC for my countruy, I wuld also be wanting to do the job when someone else is stuffing up, as I know I have what it takes. I might not be liked, but hell, if it gets the job done, why not?
@wpw (Comment 126) : Jake isn’t PdV’s collegue. PdV replaced Jake. Of course Jake is going to be upset seeing his world champs turned into chumps.
Still I don’t think Jake should be the one to replace Divvy. As KSA previously mentioned it should be Heyneke Meyer.
@Ice (Comment 133) :
He wasn’t sacked. He didn’t apply for the position remember??
It was advertised just before or during the World Cup.
How does that make he sacked/fired?? 🙄
@wpw (Comment 135) : Hoekom groet jy my nie ou pel?
@wpw (Comment 135) : ag paleeeeze, Wes, you cannot be THAT naïve, can you??
@Ice (Comment 137) : hehehehehehe
It’s funny cos last night he said more or less the same thing to me. 😛
@wpw (Comment 135) : It was advertised while the WC was on! Get your facts right. How bad was that of his employers!!!
@klempie (Comment 136) : coz he is too busy talking nonsense! 😈
Hello Klampie
More importantly Ice, please tell me what you think Jake has to offer the team right now.
His 3rd year in charge was just as bad if not worse than Div’s.
Jake promises to bring improved defense to the team. How considering the players are mostly the same players he coached??
What innovation will Jake bring considering the fact that he has NEVER been a firm believer in ‘playing the situation’??
I remember how Jake’s teams would just continue with the same old game plan even though we were losing and a change in approach was needed.
I think our players need a break more than anything. Let’s back the team and the coach cos that’s what supporters do during tough times!! 😎
@Uli (Comment 139) :
Read my comment again Uli. I said it was advertised before OR during the RWC. 🙄
Sheesh!! 😕
@wpw (Comment 142) : As a pro writer I would expect you to at least comment on facts alone!
Now I ask you what you think and how you would feel if you are busy at the WC and your position gets advertised while you are busy with the most important part of your work or career?
‘On the day Jake White guided the Springboks to their first World Cup semi-final in eight years, the South African Rugby Union advertised for a new coach.
White has insisted he wants to stay on as Bok coach and SA Rugby Pty Ltd’s bosses are aware of this. They’ve told White he is welcome to apply, but he needs to get his application in before the 19th October – the day before the World Cup final!’
‘White is known to be annoyed that he has to apply for the position he has held for the last four years, arguing that the achievement at this World Cup should be enough of an endorsement.’
Johan Prinsloo says Jake White was always going to quit as Bok coach after the World Cup – win or lose.
Speaking to the Cape Argus, the Saru CEO said the decision was taken at a meeting in August between White, SA Rugby board chairman Mpumelelo Tshume, managing director Jonathan Stones and manager of national teams Andy Marinos.
“There was no animosity at the meeting whatsoever and Jake was asked what his plans were for the future.
“He said that it would not work for him to stay on as Springbok coach in the current rugby set-up and that, irrespective of whether we won the World Cup or not, he was finished with the job.’
Are these FACTS enough for you losers?? 😈
“The chairman (Tshume) then said if that was the case, we would have to look for a successor. Jake was asked whether we could then advertise the position and he said he had no problem with that. It was then decided that the process would take its course.
“Once the decision was taken, we had a legal obligation to complete the process and there are labour law issues that have to be followed, too. Now that we have won the World Cup, Jake has got the moral high ground.
“But what if it came to December and he said he was not interested in renewing his contract? Then we would have been only able to start the process at the end of January. We would have been two months into the Super 14 before the next Springbok coach was appointed and we wanted to avoid that scenario.”
@wpw (Comment 141) : what’s ur freakin beef with me Wesley?? GO AND FRICKEN READ MY SUGGESTION – I DID NOT SAY JAKE MUST REPLACE PETER, I SUGGESTED HE ASSISTS HIM IN AN ADVISORY ROLL…now go back and re-read, maybe now you will get it. Don’t try and take me on on thongs I did not say. Do me the favour and have the common courtesy of reading properly what I say , before you scan a comment, jump to conclusions and then take someone on on an irrelvant point.
Anyhow, seems Borchardt agrees with me to an extend. Althougjh he suggests what you are assuming I am suggesting..
@Ice (Comment 147) :
The problem is that Jake doesnt want to be an advisor. He wants the job itself.
I asked you what he has to offer and you didn’t answer.
Even as an advisor?? What does he have to offer?? I reckon PDV can offer Jake some advice in how to win a test match in New Zealand. 😈
@Ice (Comment 147) : what’s ur freakin beef with me Wesley??
Wes is in an irritable mood with everyone today. Fancy not greeting one’s long-standing sparring partner! 😐
@wpw (Comment 145) : he said, she said. If your life was made unbearable by your employer and you saw that theuy do not support you, would you re-apply? Common Wes, that is media statements, it gets Shoosed up – everyone knows that they cannot reveal the true behond the curtains happenings. Geez, you really frusyrate me today. I honestly thought you were less naïve and had some savvy..
@klempie (Comment 149) :
Hi klempie!!
I didn’t greet you because you failed to say ‘goodnight’ to me yesterday evening!!
Hurt my feelings and all that!!!
😉
@wpw (Comment 148) : and Jake has WC winning coach behind his name on his resume… Again – I do noty give a shit what Jake wants – I made a suggestion FFS! As in, “if I had a say” scenario.. I am nogals sure if they offer him an advisory roll, he might think about it a couple times and evem consider it favourably.
I cant belive WPW is even allowed on this site!!
@wpw (Comment 151) : Understandable. Apologies for the oversight! I probs got distracted with work! 😛
@Uli (Comment 153) : Dude, trust me. If I am allowed on this site then there is HUGE wiggling room for anyone else. 😆
@klempie (Comment 155) :
Good on you, at least you support the Sharks!
@Uli (Comment 153) :
What can’t you ‘belive’ Uli??
And this just because we don’t agree on the Jake issue?? 🙄
How mature!! 😈
@wpw (Comment 151) : Actually, I retract my apology. Looking back at the posts last night, I see you didn’t reply to post 102. I must have assumed you’d gone which is why I didn’t say ciao. 😈
@klempie (Comment 158) :
WRT that comment.
We lost 0-19 to NZ at Newlands when Percy and Butch in particular struggled with their kicking game.
I am of the opinion that we struggled to adapt to the ELV’s in 2008 which is proven by the fact that no SA side did well in the S14.
2007, 2009 and 2010 = no ELV’s = SA team wins the S14!!
@wpw (Comment 157) : Ag asseblief dude, jy rook te veel cape town ganja… come to DBN and have some DNB poison!
@wpw (Comment 159) : Yes and what about the Bokke? all of a sudden everyone is tuneing we didnt adapt to the new laws but the bulls and stomers played in the final without a problem getting there.
@wpw (Comment 159) : Is that supposed to be a response to 102? No, it can’t be cos you’re not addressing the question. 😐
I see an article on superrugby that recons we should have Lambie and Jantjies in the EOYT , as they compare to Frans Steyn… OMG what are these people smoking!!!???
@wpw (Comment 159) :
Speak for yourself. WE ended 3rd.
@Uli (Comment 163) : Gavin Rich, Jake White se fetcher… 🙄
@Megatron (Comment 166) :
Dude that is WAY out of line!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@KSA Shark © (Comment 164) : rather we ended last in the tri nations
@KSA Shark © (Comment 164) :
Compared to the Bulls’ 3x S14 titles!! 😈
@wpw (Comment 169) : six actually. 🙂
Okay I’m off to work
@Megatron (Comment 166) : I am out-trolled.
@Megatron (Comment 166) : That is totaly sick dude and you need a freaking harde klap for that!!!
@KSA Shark © (Comment 167) : @Ice (Comment 152) : sorry Ice if i offended you in anyway… 😳
@Megatron (Comment 166) : I should not respond, but you have NO culture dude, nor respect for woman, best you say your goodbyes now, coz I will ask that you be dropped for those kinda remarks.
Get a life, or apologise, coz u are way off the road with that remark. Your poor wife.
@KSA Shark © (Comment 170) :
There!! I fixed my comment!! 😈
@Ice (Comment 174) :
Come on Ice. Give the guy a break. He said he is sorry!! 🙄
Looks like I missed a huge boxing match while I was away 😯
@Pokkel (Comment 177) : 😈 Welkom terug meneertjie. 😎
lol… yea almost…lol
@klempie (Comment 178) : Ek het nie tyd om al die comments te lees nie maar die paar wat ek gelees het lyk so bietjie aggresief….het jy dalk iets daarmee te doen?? 😉
Ice, I have removed that comment. My apologies for not seeing it sooner.
I will ban Megatron if he transgresses again in any way.
@Pokkel (Comment 180) : Nie met Megatron se snert nie. But wpw and I have had another dustup. 😈
@wpw (Comment 176) : wes, I did not see the applogy before I posted. All in all, that type of comment should not even have seen the light if he had any respect for a woman. How would you feel if someone posted that comment to your wife?
@Pokkel (Comment 179) :
Jy vra nog. Hy het ALTYD iets daarmee te doen!! 😉 😆
@Ice (Comment 183) : ice i take it we’re done with the issue…now tell us, what is you fascination with jake white?
@Ice (Comment 182) :
I agree Ice.
I am not condoning what he said but he did apologise immediately.
Unlike klempie who NEVER admits when he is verkeerd!!
@wpw (Comment 185) : ok ok ok … the flames are out.
No need to go light a new set!
@Megatron (Comment 184) : Dude why dont you rather go hide out somewhere… than carry on with ICE. I think she has had enough of you for now, so rather let me and her love JW, and you can love PDV…ok? bye!
@robdylan (Comment 186) : lol
@wpw (Comment 185) : Klempie is NEVER wrong
😉
@Uli (Comment 188) : i never said i love pdv… 😀 i’m just trying to get an understanding, maybe i’ll also be converted 🙄
Thanks Rob
Megatron, I wanted to say “apology accepted” but I will refrain becoz of your next comment to me. Clearly I am blonde, but I do read between the lines. With this, I considetr matter closed.
@Ice (Comment 192) : so can we now discuss your unwavering support for jake white or is that also part of the closed argument?
I’m in no way trying to stifle debate here, in fact i’m interested in finding out why some people have such faith in the guy when everything points to him being a mediocre coach!
@Megatron (Comment 192) : he has more World Cup winners medals than all the other mediocre coaches, though…
@Megatron (Comment 192) : One can be a great CEO, yet you do not know how to operate a cash register. BUT, you have the know-how of apointing people that can teach everyone else to do it. I think he is good in the sense that he knew who to get to assist him optimally and improving his own skills as coach. Its calles great management. And in the end he got us what we wanted…the trophy.
@wpw (Comment 174) : Yeah now I look like a twit, thank you very much 😛
@Pokkel (Comment 176) : although it wasn’t really a fair fight. WPW had a huge weight advantage over klempie 😉
@KSA Shark © (Comment 196) :
Your madre se …. 😈
@KSA Shark © (Comment 196) :and an even bigger one over me!
@KSA Shark © (Comment 196) : heheheheheheheeeeeeeeee
@robdylan (Comment 194) : yes, after belting tonga, fiji, usa and a 7th ranked england. He’d be a seriously [email protected] coach if he’d botched that lucky packet draw… 🙄 the trophy is appreciated but the man is not a rugby genius.
@Ice (Comment 198) : But he knows if he picked on you we’d help you. Whereas if WPW picked on Klempie we’d help WPW 😛
Can you feel the love Klempie? 😆
@KSA Shark © (Comment 196) : @klempie (Comment 199) : @Ice (Comment 198) :
FJELN!! 👿
@KSA Shark © (Comment 201) : <3
@Megatron (Comment 200) : DUDE please he did much more for SArugby than what you think. Can you even remember how our team was like other than when Kitch was the coach?
He built a good team you can say what you like.
PDV stuffed that good team up.
@Megatron (Comment 200) : Plus stop blaming the draw please! The argies beat france twice in that tournament and I bet you they would easly have teken aus out and given NZ a good run for their money. Plus England was very good to haev played to get to the final say waht you like we were the best team in the tournament.
@KSA Shark © (Comment 201) : re-read your comment… 😉
He DID pick on me, and only Uli came 2 my resq! 😆
@Uli (Comment 204) :
Jake White 1st year: 9 wins out of 13 tests
Peter de Villiers 1st year: 9 wins out of 13 tests
Jake White 2nd year: 8 wins out of 12 tests
Peter de Villiers 2nd year: 8 wins out of 12 tests
Jake White’s 3rd year: 5 wins out of 12 tests
Peter de Villiers’ 3rd year (current): 5 wins out of 10 tests
Their records are pretty similar to date arent they?? 🙄
@wpw (Comment 207) :
JW: World Cup
PdV: ….
@Ice (Comment 206) : 😳 fixed
@Ice (Comment 206) : Always here for a good frined 🙂
@wpw (Comment 207) : Yes but what was JW team like when he inherited it and the one PDV got? Two world appart dude!
friend*
@klempie (Comment 208) :
Did Div coach at team at a RWC yet??
Just like Jake never faced the British Lions, it would be irresponsible for me to add that as one of Div’s accomplishments which Jake hasnt done!! 😉
@Uli (Comment 211) :
I agree but who’s fault is that?? 🙄
The same can be said of Andre Markgraaff. He inherited a RWC winning team, what did he do??
Got rid of the captain and lost our first series against the AB’s at home!! 😕
@wpw (Comment 213) : While your at it why not compile a list of stupid comments by Div and Jake during those times. 😈
@wpw (Comment 214) : Yes thats true and he was terrible thats why he got sacked so quickly. PDV has done everything to get sacked and yet he is still the coach.
WPW you are a joke… stop being a droll and stop trolling…
@Pokkel (Comment 215) : lol yes and we can see who is really the clown in all of this…
@wpw (Comment 213) : Trust me. Div will not be holding a RWC at the end of his tenure. Either because he is not given the chance, or because he is so kak.
@Pokkel (Comment 215) : I agree. Come on Wes.
@Uli (Comment 217) : Ease up boetie. He may be deluded, but he’s our mate. 😎
@wpw (Comment 214) : But in al seriousness…rugby is the ONE great South African export and the coach the ambassador and he is making us the laughing stock of world rugby. I don’t really care what his record is like if he is going to carry on the way he is…the worst part is that he is also not learning from his mistakes or he is just too hardegat to do something about it.
@Pokkel (Comment 215) :
Div wins hands down BUT that doesn’t mean Jake didn’t make any!! 😈
You know the funny thing is, I was one of Jake’s biggest supporters even during 2006 when everyone called for his head.
I am just not impressed at the way he is after Div’s job at the moment!!
@Pokkel (Comment 222) : Exactly. Even if by some miracle he wins the WC, South Africa will not be admired for the achievement. He just does too much damage to our image.
@Uli (Comment 216) :
What does that mean??
This is the Boks’ first bad run under Div isn’t it??
His record stands at over 60 percent which is quite decent considering all the players that are injured!!
FDP, Bissie, Juan (until recently), Brussow??
@wpw (Comment 223) : I’m not calling for Jake to come back and I also think he’s made a fool of himself w.r.t. what he is doing at the moment but I can’t see Div bringing us back a world cup.
@wpw (Comment 225) : I suspect that will be down around 50% before the WC starts.
@Uli (Comment 217) :
Listen here!! Not once did I call you names and insult you.
Stop behaving like a 12 year old and rather offer a differing opinion instead of petty name calling. Sheesh!! 👿
@wpw (Comment 228) : Jy’s lekker bedonnerd vandag 😆
@Pokkel (Comment 226) :
Pokkel
Dude, our opinions are not so far off believe me!!
I too am annoyed and frustrated at Div’s recent comments and the fact that he KNOWS the media are waiting for him to make silly comments.
I just prefer backing the coach and the team now that they need it the most.
As opposed to klempie who just refuses to acknowledge that Div has done some good since he became coach.
@Pokkel (Comment 229) :
You think?? 😉 😈
@klempie (Comment 227) : @Pokkel (Comment 229) :
You see Ricky has been withdrawn from the CC??
😆
Seems Div still plans to select him in future then!! 😉
@wpw (Comment 230) : I would sack the whole lot and start fresh…a lot can happen in a year(just look at the Boks).
I would have Allister Coetzee as head coach who’s been to a RWC with Slaptjips as backline coach and Proudfoot as forwards coach and the WP defensive couch(I forget his name)
@wpw (Comment 232) : Jy is seker bly nou kan hy nie die WP se seison opf#k nie 😈
@Pokkel (Comment 229) : Ek’t vroeer so gese. hehe 😛
@Pokkel (Comment 234) : 😆
@wpw (Comment 232) : Seems I made a mistake then. Div DOES have a plan. A vrot kak one!
@wpw (Comment 228) : Well stop trolling then!!!
LOL I just realised that Wes is feeling what it’s like to be me for a day! 😎
@klempie (Comment 239) : lol
@wpw (Comment 237) : i see you’re in the wars dude 😛
Statistically speaking Jake …
Jake White throws out statistics at every
press conference to reinforce whatever
position it is he wants to sell on the day.
Invariably, few challenge them. We’ve
given him a few to suck on.
Here are a few statistics he can think about
in the next few days in New Zealand so that
he does not further embarrass himself at
press conferences.
Before I start let’s get one thing out of
the way. Joe van Niekerk was 100 percent
accurate in his story about a 100 dollar
bounty on George Smith’s dreadlock. It
happened in the 2002 Tri Nations test,
played at the Gabba in Brisbane. The Boks,
under Rudolf Straeuli, lost 38-27.
I know it to be true because I was standing
in the changeroom, in the huddle, when De
Wet Barry took the dreadlock out of his
pocket to claim the bounty prize.
That off my chest, let’s get down to
some statistics that White may want to suck
on.
1. Percy Montgomery, Breyton Paulse, Jaco
van der Westhuyzen, Joe van Niekerk, Victor
Matfield, Eddie Andrews, John Smit (captain), Os du Randt, Fourie du Preez, Jacques Cronje
and CJ van der Linde played for the Boks in
the 23-19 Tri Nations win against the
Wallabies in Durban to secure the title in
2004. They were all on the field in the 49-0
defeat two years later in Brisbane. So much
for being patient and building for a World
Cup. To use the example of England ’s 76-0
defeat in Brisbane in 1998 is outrageous.
England, the following year got pumped by
South Africa in the World Cup quarter-final,
and won the World Cup only five years after
that defeat. Six players from that tour
played in the World Cup squad of 30. That
should put that one to bed.
2. White’s away win record against the
top four teams (New Zealand, England,
France and Australia) is one win in eight
starts. His home record is six from eight. His
overall record against his main opposition at the World Cup is seven from 16, which is
less than 50 percent.
3. White’s Boks have lost their last four
games against the top four, beaten by the
All Blacks in Dunedin, the French in Paris, the
French in Cape Town and the Wallabies in
Brisbane.
4. In those four tests White’s Boks have
leaked 17 tries and scored six.
5. In White’s last three tests in 2006 the
Boks have conceded 12 tries and scored
two.
6. To allege the Boks had set-piece
dominance against Australia in Brisbane is
preposterous. Australia fed the scrum 15
times and the Boks 11, with the Boks first
attacking scrum feed coming in the 47th
minute.
7. In the lineouts it was no better. Aus had
16 lineout throws to SA’s 12 and both
teams lost one against the throw, with the
two hookers culpable of a scew throw each.
Three of Australia’s tries came from
lineout movements. Where’s the SA
dominance?
8. Van der Linde was rightfully pinned twice
for scrumming in and collapsing the bind.
And the scrum that so upset the Boks, in the
14th minute, was because of an early
engage and drive. Nothing to cry about. It
happens all the time to every team.
9. Os du Randt has 60-plus test caps, John
Smit has 50-plus, Victor Matfield is closing in
on 50, Joe van Niekerk if 40-plus, Jaco van
der Westhuyzen has close to 30, Jacque
Fourie in the mid 20s, Breyton Paulse close
to 60, Percy Montgomery has 76¦ this
was a bloody experienced Bok test team.
This was not a bunch of youngsters, ala
Clive Woodward’s 1998 squad, sent on a
tour to hell, when a 20 year-old (read Jonny
Wilkinson) ultimately comes good.
Montgomery, Du Randt and Paulse are
pensioners in terms of experience.
10. To use White’s own words when he
said Australia would be under severe
pressure. ‘You lose two in a row and it is
hard to get out of that spiral’. Well Jake,
you’ve now lost the two in a row, so I
can only assume you are in that spiral you
warned Australia about.
posted by Voldy
@wpw (Comment 228) : PASSOP WAT JY Sê!!!
@klempie (Comment 239) :
Dude, I need to lose 10kg’s to feel like that!! 😈 😉
@Megatron (Comment 241) : Good read….when was it published?
@Megatron (Comment 241) : Now that is more of a story !!
@wpw (Comment 243) : Jislaaik maar jy’s DIK!! 😈 😉
@klempie (Comment 246) :
Waarvan praat jy? Ek moet net 10kgs verloor dan is ek oraait!!
😆
@wpw (Comment 247) : Ja vetgat!!! lol
@wpw (Comment 247) : As Klempie 10kg verloor is hy vrek!! 😆
@Uli (Comment 248) :
Gaan sé daai vir jou ma!!
@wpw (Comment 250) : haha 🙂
@Pokkel (Comment 249) :
Aaah, the “Jake White is Lord” brigade are out, fully charged up on delusion and myopia.
Let’s ask him to cure cancer while he oh so generously saves us from a man whose plight he can completely not relate to.
Why do you bother wpw? The world needs the naïve and foolhardy to fight wars, believe in story-book heroes and completely fail to see the gray in life.
Thankfully there is one born every minute. Drone on, you unfortunate Cassandras of the rugby world…
@Big Fish (Comment 253) : Ag tog… you are a bit late for it…
@Pokkel (Comment 245) : it was published on july 16th 2006
@Megatron (Comment 255) : @Big Fish (Comment 253) : Do you truly believe Div is the answer?? I don’t believe Jake is the answer either because he’s just making an ass of himself at the moment?
Allister Coetzee or Heyneke Meyer anybody or is it too late to change now?
@Big Fish (Comment 253) : Aaah, the “Jake White is Lord” brigade are out, fully charged up on delusion and myopia.
😆 😆 😆 😆 😆
@Pokkel (Comment 257) : i say let pdv finish what he has started…let the players go and recondition, see the example of juan smith, and then rest them for eoyt ‘grand sham’ and play in the truncated tri-nations to prepare for the big tourney!
F me! For a moment I thought it was Megatrol and then I saw it was a comment from BF…unless…someone hacked BF’s mail???
@wpw (Comment 243) :
ONLY 10????????????? 😯 😯 😯 😯 😯 😯 😯
@KSA Shark © (Comment 260) :
Yes Andre!! lmao
@KSA Shark © (Comment 260) : Dude earlier he had it as 40!! Then changed it. HAHAHAHAHA
@KSA Shark © (Comment 260) : Around his right leg only…. Hey, Wes is in shape! Round IS a shape, innit? 😉
@Megatron (Comment 258) : I can live with that as long as he SHUTS TF UP..
@Pokkel (Comment 264) : I agree, if he talks less (I want to say rubbish, but I think he just needs to talk less all in all) people will give him more of a chance.