No plan, no thought, no clue.

Written by Andrew Campbell (Sportbilly)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks on 4 Nov 2010 at 20:44
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So the Bok team is finally announced and true to form, our friend Peter has made more controversial calls than Steve Walsh with a whistle in hand. There was speculation, there was trepidation and there was huge anticipation as Thursday afternoon wore on. Lets face it there is always going to be controversy when the man who puts the Mo in vember takes his foot out his mouth and starts talking.

The real worry however is the lack of planning and mixed messages that the Paarl Pearler is sending out. Take young Deon Stegman and Zane Kirchner for example, lets for a minute not debate whether they should be there or not but rather the circumstances of their selection.

Stegman was selected in the initial preliminary squad after having had a brief cameo appearance off the bench for a well beaten Bulls team in the Currie Cup Semi-Final. You see he had been out injured since the 24th July 2010 so game time was lacking. He was not deemed good enough to make the final Bok squad that was announced and Keegan Daniel pushed his way in through sheer weight of his performances.

Schalk Burger was subsequently Lambied, Albertsed and Ludicked into another injury cloud and was withdrawn from the touring squad allowing Stegman to be called up as cover. Deon’s subsequent march to the front of the fetcher queue was quicker than Usain’s Bolt. Keegan must be left wondering, what did I just do wrong?

Zane Kirchner on the other hand was dropped from the Tri Nations team after some mediocre performances at fullback. He made the preliminary squad of 38 players but jettisoned from the initial touring squad. With Adi Jacobs called up to replace Juan De Jongh, Kirchner’s lucky break came when Ricky Januarie was also injured. Now even for Peter, its fairly bizarre to replace a scrum half with a fullback but anyway…

Side show Bob then went from being second choice fullback to the first choice outside centre and he also outstripped the other squad members to take his place in the starting XV versus Ireland. Were there other options? Hell yes. JDV, Piet’s 3rd choice winger has played a lot of rugby at 13 in the past and Adrian Jacobs has racked up a fair few tests there too.

So what’s this all about then you may ask?

For me it shows a complete lack of planning or vision which is more worrying than the actual selection faux pas we are getting so used to from the clown with a frown. If Stegman is better than Daniel then why wasn’t he included in the squad initially? Why call up Adi Jacobs in the first place if he is not trusted or fit enough to play in his natural position?

Any player will tell you all they want is consistency and fairness in selection. This is something that P Devil is not providing the Boks with.

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  • Pieter de Villiers was a decent prop for France. Not to be confused with Peter “Puff Divvy” de Villiers.

  • Comment 1, posted at 04.11.10 20:53:54 by lostfish Reply
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  • Just heard on Boots & All, Kirchner got the nod because of his defence abilities…

  • Comment 2, posted at 04.11.10 20:54:36 by Charlie Reply

  • @Charlie (Comment 2) : Still doesn’t explain playing a fullback at 13.

    I would have gone with Lambie at 12 and JDV at 13.

  • Comment 3, posted at 04.11.10 21:01:12 by Sportbilly Reply

  • @lostfish (Comment 1) : Oops. Will change that, don’t want to piss Pieter off.

  • Comment 4, posted at 04.11.10 21:02:02 by Sportbilly Reply

  • @Charlie (Comment 2) : Why not play Louis Ludik then,the clown ain’t that good of a defender,what are they thinking,do they think,I really don’t know anymore.

  • Comment 5, posted at 04.11.10 21:04:37 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • @Honey Badger (Comment 5) : Maybe clowns like to support each other. Krusty always supported Side Show Bob from what I remember.

  • Comment 6, posted at 04.11.10 21:07:32 by Sportbilly Reply

  • Sportbilly
    Wasn’t Oupa Stefan also a winger, moved to fullback and now outside center??
    Kirchner will be fine!!

  • Comment 7, posted at 04.11.10 21:15:11 by wpw Reply
  • When I read crap like this I’m ashamed to be a Bok supporter.

  • Comment 8, posted at 04.11.10 21:17:13 by wpw Reply
  • Let’s get behind the Bok team, and support them. This is what they need most, our moaning and whining are not going to change anything, I say GO BOKKE !!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 9, posted at 04.11.10 21:19:07 by Charlie Reply

  • @wpw (Comment 7) : Please explain the plan in selecting 2 players from outside the squad in his starting XV? It’s not a plan, its a lottery.

  • Comment 10, posted at 04.11.10 21:19:47 by Sportbilly Reply

  • @wpw (Comment 8) : Each to there own.

  • Comment 11, posted at 04.11.10 21:21:48 by Sportbilly Reply

  • @Sportbilly (Comment 6) : lol

  • Comment 12, posted at 04.11.10 21:22:00 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • Dude, I don’t agree with all his decisions and to be honest my patience is running thin but people are overreacting.
    If it doesn’t come off then by all means slate the coach but the personal attacks is uncalled for.
    Like Charlie says, let’s support the team! ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • Comment 13, posted at 04.11.10 21:26:17 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 13) : Boet, I am 100% behind the team.

    My feelings on the coach are clear however. I actually backed the dude for 2 long years. Defended him to all and sundry but alas my time too has come to an end.

  • Comment 14, posted at 04.11.10 21:31:45 by Sportbilly Reply

  • sportbilly
    Just to clear things up my comment was not directed at your article but rather the name calling.

  • Comment 15, posted at 04.11.10 21:33:01 by wpw Reply
  • Dude, just because we’re unhappy with what’s going on doesn’t mean we’re not supporting the team. It just means that we care enough to whine about it!

  • Comment 16, posted at 04.11.10 21:37:11 by Letgo Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 15) : ok. cleared up.

  • Comment 17, posted at 04.11.10 21:40:14 by Sportbilly Reply

  • @Letgo (Comment 16) : Actually backed the Boks on Superbru for a win by 5. I do think they will surprise us.. Feels like I may have gone with the heart though.. but who cares.

  • Comment 18, posted at 04.11.10 21:41:37 by Sportbilly Reply

  • I still want the Boks to win, and on Saturday I will be cheering them on to do so. It’s just hard when the coach are doing things that just doesn’t make a lot of sense to anyone. He should have seen the injuries as an opportunity to try out some combinations. Instead he takes to guys from outside of the squad and just fill the gaps left. How do you think a guy like Keegan is feeling right about now.

    I’m not happy with what div is doing, because I really want the team to win and he’s making that possibility pretty small.

  • Comment 19, posted at 04.11.10 21:41:44 by Letgo Reply
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  • I’ve got some whisky in me,and heres blue cheese and an ostrich burger.What website is this, can you hear me?Huh?!

  • Comment 20, posted at 04.11.10 21:44:48 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 20) : Have another one squire!

  • Comment 21, posted at 04.11.10 21:45:49 by Sportbilly Reply

  • Only just watched the end of the Aus/Kiwi game now.

    INCREDIBLE ball retention! ๐Ÿ˜ฏ

  • Comment 22, posted at 04.11.10 21:51:58 by klempie Reply

  • @ Claytie, Cheers ! GO PDV ! GO BOKKE ! GOOI MIELIES !!! ๐Ÿ˜†

  • Comment 23, posted at 04.11.10 21:52:19 by Charlie Reply

  • Seriously, I too am losing patience with Div but after having a re-think, these his selection of Zane and Stegmann is not that bad.
    During the Tri Nations everyone complained that F Louw is not a fetcher. Now that Div selects one there’s an outcry.
    Stegmann was more than likely selected because he IS a fetcher and Keegan is not!!
    As for Zane, who else should have played ahead of him?
    As much as I love Adi, maybe he is not match fit. Only the coaching staff know the true extent of his fitness!!

  • Comment 24, posted at 04.11.10 21:53:38 by wpw Reply
  • Stegman will do good, so will Zane, no worries, let’s enjoy the rugby, Ireland have no clue what to expect from the Bok backline ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • Comment 25, posted at 04.11.10 21:57:12 by Charlie Reply

  • @wpw (Comment 24) :

    Seriously, I too am losing patience with Div

    ๐Ÿ˜ฏ ๐Ÿ˜ฏ

  • Comment 26, posted at 04.11.10 21:57:27 by klempie Reply

  • This patience story…sound like a stuck record…

  • Comment 27, posted at 04.11.10 22:04:21 by Charlie Reply

  • Wat gaan aan klempie??
    Cat got your tongue?? ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • Comment 28, posted at 04.11.10 22:11:41 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 28) : Does anyone like him anymore? ๐Ÿ˜›

  • Comment 29, posted at 04.11.10 22:13:49 by klempie Reply

  • The provincial bias in this article is dripping of maak al die bulle bokke …

    Darling Keegan will get his chance Im sure ..Ill say it again Keegan , Kanko played out of their socks the last couple of weeks..its a lonnng tour …

    I hope that all you doomsayers show face here if Krusty and Stegman for that matter man up … WHERE IS THE FAITH !!!!!!?????

    rant over for now :mrgreen:

  • Comment 30, posted at 04.11.10 22:17:29 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

  • I’m supporting Ireland on Saturday. Sorry chaps. ๐Ÿ˜Ž

  • Comment 31, posted at 04.11.10 22:18:26 by klempie Reply

  • I do support the team but have lost faith in the coaching staff quite a long time ago. There is no consistency and I lost patience with PdV a long time ago because of his embarrassing gaffes. It is hard to take him seriously. They are sliding down the slippery slope and I am scared to think as far ahead as the world cup.

  • Comment 32, posted at 04.11.10 22:21:33 by lostfish Reply
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  • Is it perhaps coincidence that its 2 Bulls players ..longer time to recharge …

    I will say that, hopefully this will be the last time that a schedule like this is approved , Currie Cup final week before screwed us bigtime.

    BOKKE !!!!

  • Comment 33, posted at 04.11.10 22:22:33 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

  • @lostfish (Comment 32) : That’s why a 0-4 Grand Slam by the Home Unions is uber important. Not even Div’s chainmail will be able to sustain that this close to the WC.

  • Comment 34, posted at 04.11.10 22:22:49 by klempie Reply

  • Aai tog klempie!
    You’ll be the only ‘Bok supporter’ not celebrating our victory on Saturday!! ๐Ÿ˜ˆ

  • Comment 35, posted at 04.11.10 22:24:37 by wpw Reply
  • @lostfish (Comment 32) :

    Mmmm wonder where I’v heard that before … oh yes ofcourse ๐Ÿ˜€

    Deja vu Seriously !

    Recall White .. F^&cking up our centenary match…

  • Comment 36, posted at 04.11.10 22:25:36 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

  • @wpw (Comment 35) : It’ll be mixed feelings for sure.

  • Comment 37, posted at 04.11.10 22:26:58 by klempie Reply

  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 36) : True but at least White admitted he got it wrong, got some help and improved and won the WC.

  • Comment 38, posted at 04.11.10 22:27:36 by lostfish Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 35) : Hey are you going to the MC Hammer/Vanilla Ice concert? :mrgreen: I’m seriously contemplating it, if I can find someone old enough to go with to appreciate it. ๐Ÿ˜›

  • Comment 39, posted at 04.11.10 22:27:42 by klempie Reply

  • @lostfish (Comment 38) : Exactly.

  • Comment 40, posted at 04.11.10 22:28:04 by klempie Reply

  • @lostfish (Comment 38) :

    Yea and when exactly did Jake get help ..recall Rassie then quickly Eddie .. Master stroke ..not to late for PDV but if the media is to be believed everyone is turning away from helping..Shocking ..Bok rugby should be above all that pettiness.

    Come to think of it Plum wasn’t asked was he ?

  • Comment 41, posted at 04.11.10 22:32:52 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

  • @klempie (Comment 39) :

    Where are they performing ?

  • Comment 42, posted at 04.11.10 22:33:25 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 41) : As I recall they were being asked to be his assistant coaches. No one wanted to get on the sinking ship.

  • Comment 43, posted at 04.11.10 22:35:06 by lostfish Reply
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  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 42) :

  • Comment 44, posted at 04.11.10 22:41:10 by klempie Reply

  • @lostfish (Comment 43) :

    Not sinking just more ballast ๐Ÿ˜‰

    @klempie (Comment 44) :


  • Comment 45, posted at 04.11.10 22:43:07 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 41) : Rumour has it they begged EVERYONE. Plum, Meyer, Ludeke, Coetzee and they all told them to f-off. No one wants to touch Div ๐Ÿ˜Ž

  • Comment 46, posted at 04.11.10 22:43:10 by klempie Reply

  • @klempie (Comment 44) : hahaha I would have killed to see that when I was younger, I had such a tween crush on Vanilla.

  • Comment 47, posted at 04.11.10 22:44:26 by lostfish Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 47) : Alright STOP collaborate and LISTEN, Ice is back with my brand new invention! ๐Ÿ˜€

  • Comment 48, posted at 04.11.10 22:49:02 by klempie Reply

  • OMG! Nee man klempie!
    I can just picture you in your baggie jeans (size 28) and your hooded top with fake bling chains around your neck! Lmao
    I suddenly hear the call of ‘Jerry Jerry Jerry’ :mrgreen:

  • Comment 49, posted at 04.11.10 22:54:14 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 49) : Nah dude. I was never as cool as that. But dude, the early 90’s were a gas. ๐Ÿ˜† sooooooo cheesy!

  • Comment 50, posted at 04.11.10 22:56:49 by klempie Reply

  • Krusty at centre! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

    Let me guess the game plan! Ruan pienaar picks up the ball passes it to morne, jdv passes it to krusty and then up and under! Well that is if our beloved morne even passes the ball!

  • Comment 51, posted at 04.11.10 23:04:54 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 51) :
    Must be playing against a very bad Irish 13…….. ๐Ÿ™„

  • Comment 52, posted at 04.11.10 23:49:56 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • I have always been a dick muir fan, and garry gold was my couch at one time, but come on people….what is up with this bazaar selection…it can’t be up to dick and gary, and if it is…please take your expertise else where! This is like taking a knife to a gun fight!!! Who selects these players….is it mac, jooste and pdivvy??? I can’t believe what I am seeing…can’t wait for this result…knowing Murphy’s law the boks win by 20…..but even if this happens, the message sent to our players looking to earn the call up!!! Its ludicrous…a slap in SA rugby tradition and spirits face…

  • Comment 53, posted at 05.11.10 00:51:49 by BoerSeun Reply

  • One has to wonder what Keegan Daniel is doing in the team.

    Guy was mostly on the bench during the S14 and will be again for the S15.
    If you are not even 1st choice in a super rugby team that came 8th, how the hell do you make it into the elite 30?

    CC form? The CC is a joke.

  • Comment 54, posted at 05.11.10 03:34:19 by fyndraai Reply
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  • Keegan Daniels is not a starter in the northern hemisphere lets be serious .Francias Louw is very unlucky .Zane Kirchner playing 13 isn,t that crazy most fullbacks should be able to play 13 .On attack he should be fine on defense might be a problem .Wouldn,t be advisible playing Lambie at 12 against Darcy and O,driscoll

  • Comment 55, posted at 05.11.10 03:56:51 by zvision10 Reply

  • @zvision10 (Comment 55) : @fyndraai (Comment 54) : I agree with you guys Keegan only started because Deysel was out and Kanko was with the boks. He still had a good season take nothing away from him but he is not a bok. Krichner at 13 is not a bad move most of the time a fullback will join the line at 13 Monty actually started his bok career at 13. Its not a bad call. I would rather bring Lambie on with 20min to go with this team. If I chose the team i would have had 9)Hougaard 10)lambie 11)habana 12)M steyn 13)Krichner 14)Mvovo 15)Pienaar

  • Comment 56, posted at 05.11.10 04:09:10 by Ozbok Reply

  • @Honey Badger (Comment 52) : yes he’s playing against one of the worst number 13s named brian o’driscoll! Krusty is going to get slaughtered! Mark my words!

  • Comment 57, posted at 05.11.10 07:02:49 by Ben Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 54) : wow man glad to see you can see into the future and know that keegs is gonna be on the bench in the super 15! Don’t you wanna get me tomorrow nights lotto numbers while your there in the future????

  • Comment 58, posted at 05.11.10 07:09:49 by Ben Reply
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  • Keegan Daniel just got shafted! I know they say he’s too light for the NH, but they said he’s to light for Super rugby and he’s brilliant!

    Why oh why Zane? I’d have rather moved Habana to iside centre, at least he has some experience there, seeing that Adi doesn’t make the starting 15.

  • Comment 59, posted at 05.11.10 07:43:49 by PTAShark Reply
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  • What must the likes of Dries, watermeyer, murray and doppies be thinking when snorre rejects them to play a below average fullback out of position at outside center???

    My prediction for the weekend is that the Irish will keep there record of not loosing the Boks at home since 2000. Brian O’driscol to run riot.

  • Comment 60, posted at 05.11.10 08:04:09 by Zebra Reply

  • @Zebra (Comment 60) :

    Please read the rules of the website before making comments like that..

  • Comment 61, posted at 05.11.10 08:06:40 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 54) :

    May I ask which team you support fyndraai?

  • Comment 62, posted at 05.11.10 08:07:50 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Percy played 10 and 15…and 13, Terblanch played 15 and was moved 2 13 at ospreys…spent 2 years in the centre….habana played most of his junior carrier at 9 and 13….this dude has 1st division centre experience of 2 games!!!2-how the hell will he be fine!!! If jean goes off there will be no guidance for the man….then we are in serious shit…even jantjies at 12 jean 13 would be a better bet…with lambie at 10….just smaller adjustments to defense

  • Comment 63, posted at 05.11.10 08:09:40 by BoerSeun Reply

  • @BoerSeun (Comment 63) : Jean wont even be on the field dude, he can just about walk

  • Comment 64, posted at 05.11.10 08:24:54 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 64) :

    So Lambie is a certainty then?

  • Comment 65, posted at 05.11.10 08:29:11 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Everyone seems to be forgetting that Kirchner was part of the original camp and has been part of the bok setup for a while, as a last minute call-in for FOUR (5 if you count Adi) injuries to our quality centre’s I think Kirchner was the best option.

    Moving JdV, if he’s even fit, is stoopid, why move a great 12? To bring in another debutant? You need the debuter’s to come off the bench and surround them with experience, not throw them into the deep end.

  • Comment 66, posted at 05.11.10 08:30:23 by molly Reply
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  • What was everyone’s reaction when Plum moved Stef to 13 the first time?
    Was it anything as close to this? Keep in mind most of you went through a phase of “Stef only kicks the ball and is so limited, we need another option”.

  • Comment 67, posted at 05.11.10 08:32:38 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 66) :

    I agree with you Molly.. I think Zane will do a good stop gap job, he is our best bet there with what we have.

    We need to get behind this team people!!

  • Comment 68, posted at 05.11.10 08:33:00 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 67) :

    Again Molly, have to agree..

  • Comment 69, posted at 05.11.10 08:33:55 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 66) : I agree with that comment 100% Molls

  • Comment 70, posted at 05.11.10 08:38:10 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
  • yay, I feel almost like I made a smart comment.
    First time for everything.

  • Comment 71, posted at 05.11.10 08:39:12 by molly Reply
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  • I,d hate been a Springbok player with such crazy fans .One day everyone overates the them and the next day they want there heads on a stick come on.Lets go through this logically a year ago when they were winning this game plan and the new zealanders said this way of playing wouldn,t work long term everyone told them to shout up and now were losing now PDV is the devil come on there has got to be some rational ,sprinboks prob won,t win against ireland but whens the last time they won against Ireland (Ya pdvs seems to be losing it but it,s not as bad as everyone makes it seem )Looked at the world cup schedule the springboks will get to the semi finals vs new zealand .we,ll have FDP back NewZealand will be under pressure and there know for choking so we have a good chance if we beat the all blacks we play australia ,france or england in the final and we can beat all those teams So we have a big chance of retaing the Cup everyone relax

  • Comment 72, posted at 05.11.10 08:48:43 by zvision10 Reply

  • @molly (Comment 67) :For arguments sake lets say At fullback : Stef vs Zane ? Who would you have picked?

  • Comment 73, posted at 05.11.10 08:53:10 by SharksRTB Reply

  • Ireland to win by 8

  • Comment 74, posted at 05.11.10 08:55:52 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 58) : True,he probably is.
    @fyndraai (Comment 54) : But the defending super champs and runner up played in the cc,they lost.That must mean something..

  • Comment 75, posted at 05.11.10 08:57:45 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • : richard ferguson – I assume you talking about the quota comment. Facts but if those are the rules then i’ll try to abide by them. Don’t want to offend fellow sharks.

  • Comment 76, posted at 05.11.10 08:58:49 by Zebra Reply

  • Most of you are missing my point…

    “Take young Deon Stegman and Zane Kirchner for example, lets for a minute not debate whether they should be there or not but rather the circumstances of their selection.”

    I am not debating whether they are better options than whoever else but rather the lack of planning it shows in how they make it into the team when they weren’t considered good enough to make the squad less than a week ago.

  • Comment 77, posted at 05.11.10 09:01:04 by Sportbilly Reply

  • @Sportbilly (Comment 77) : It smells like –
    PDV-what are we going to do?
    Victor-Easy,call my bull buddies they can play.

  • Comment 78, posted at 05.11.10 09:08:33 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • @Sportbilly (Comment 77) : But, no one would have guessed that both JdJ and JdV would be injured for the first game. How do you plan for that? We had ample bench coverage in Lambie and Adi, but not starters in them.

  • Comment 79, posted at 05.11.10 09:08:37 by molly Reply
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  • @Sportbilly (Comment 77) : Also, Stegman is def there because of Matfield. He said as much in his interview yesterday. His logic is, he knows Stegman and Stegman knows him and Spies (I presume Bakkies as well) and have worked with them before. And he REALLY rates him.

  • Comment 80, posted at 05.11.10 09:10:00 by molly Reply
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  • @Sportbilly (Comment 77) :

    True but a week ago , Schalk ,Jean,Juan and Alberts were all fit.

  • Comment 81, posted at 05.11.10 09:11:09 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

  • @SharksRTB (Comment 73) : well, in Kirchner we have a semi-youngster that can still learn and has performed VERY well in the S14. In Stef we have a, I forget, 36 (??) year old that is just a stop gap.
    Would go for Zane ahead of him, cause at least it shows a potential plan for the future.

  • Comment 82, posted at 05.11.10 09:11:45 by molly Reply
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  • @Sportbilly (Comment 77) :

    Allow yourself to consider the total dynamics of a team, or team selections and not just the individuals themselves.

    Of course what I am doing now is pure speculation as obviously I am not involved in this process but I believe it might offer an alternative view of the circumstance surrounding selections.

    Let’s take Stegmann…

    When selectors sat down and decided on their team (weeks leading up to the final) they would take different aspects into consideration.

    First of these would be who their strongest possible match-day 22 will be for each test.

    Secondly they would consider which players, or fringe players might offer them options not only on tour, but in the future or next year for the all important World Cup.

    I think it can be safely assumed that Schalk Burger, a very specific type of player, would have been earmarked to start every single test match. In fact, the loose-trio would more likely have been Schalk, Juan and Spies throughout the tour as a starting loose-trio combination, with Alberts, Daniel and Kanko offering various options throughout the tour depending on who they play against.

    Experience in the starting loose-trio as speculated would be a vital factor. Not only experience from the individuals themselves, but experience as a loose-trio combination having played together a number of times.

    Each of these players also perform a very specific role within the team and team dynamic or game strategy.

    Schalk is a very physical player for instance, a play to the ball (ruck) type of player and although many do not believe him to be a ‘fetcher’ (*spit*), that is his role within the team.

    All of a sudden, Schalk got injured.

    Now the total team dynamic changes. Suddenly your ‘play-to-the-ball’ player is no longer there. The only player you now are left with, is what is could best be described a hybrid loose-forward (Daniel). Great linking player, great player to come off the bench and cover all three position if necessary but no real specialist in any one of those.

    So what are you left to do?

    Since the whole squad dynamic has now changed, you have two options.

    One, change your overall tour strategy of game play and plans against each team in this department, or two, replace the player and dynamic lost with someone with similar capability.

    Which carries the least risk?

    Stegmann in his application to loose-forward play is similar to that of Schalk, and also quite specialist. Also consider what I mentioned before on the ‘experience’ of the combination being important, and the fact that Stegmann and Spies have played together quite number of times and compare that to a loose-trio which would include Daniel having NEVER played together as a combination.

    To my mind, Keegan was selected on tour to offer alternative dynamics to the team and squad, he was never selected to lead or perform in the primary strategy or role of the team for his position.

    His position remains exactly the same now.

    Which makes the selection and late inclusion of Stegmann, logical.

    (At least in my view)

  • Comment 83, posted at 05.11.10 09:16:14 by Mornรฉ Reply
  • Even Jaco Pretorius would have been better @ 13

  • Comment 84, posted at 05.11.10 09:18:21 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • ok, i have to comment on this.

    first off, although i don’t quite agree with everything in the article, it is very nicely written, SB. you have a way with words…

    now… this was not an easy team to pick by any measure. personally i would have preferred zane at fullback. i would have felt slightly more comfortable with him at 15 with the gary owen’s raining down. but with basson and habana there to support aplon, i think we should be fine.

    first let’s look at 13. the options were adrian jacobs, zane kirchner, jean de villiers (and maybe lambie).

    if JDV is fit, he must start at 12. That at least gives us experience from 1 to 12. which in rainy conditions (70% chance of rain on Saturday) is not as bad as everyone is making it. if we move JDV to 13 (where he is not as effective as at 12, and will probably shoot out of the line again also…), we need to play either morne steyn or lambie at 12.

    i would definitely not play morne at 12. his defence is better than he is given credit for (18 tackles in CC semi, no misses). but i wouldn’t feel comfortable with him at 12. lambie is definitely a better option than morne at 12, but if JDV is fit, he must start there. he can organise the backline, and he has played with morne before.

    if JDV is not fit, then lambie slots in at 12 by default. i will never ever pick jacobs at 12, he isn’t bad at 13 as most people make it, but he is not a 12. and he doesn’t know morne as well.

    so that only leaves jacobs and kirchner for outside centre. no jacobs has played something like 30mins of rugby in the last 5\6 months (not 100% sure of this fact, i’ll admit.) but it is very little rugby.

    kirchner’s defence is good. it is one aspect of his game, where he is really good. i rate him as the best defensive fullback in SA. Jacobs is not bad at defence, look at 2009 tri nations. he surprised most of us with his tackling against AB’s. If Jacobs had played 2\3 games in the last month or so, I would have picked him. but kirchner has been part of the bok setup all year, and is match fit. if JDV can organise the defensive lines, kirchner should be fine. in a man on man situation, i would back him. it might just be the drifting and that kind of thing that needs to be organised by JDV. (which is where the problem comes in if lambie has to start ata 12). in his first test, he will play out of position, and will be responsible for organising the defence. tough call. i hope he can do it. it will be further testament to his talents.

    as for 6. finally snor has listened to the fans, and picks a fetcher (albeit one that is not 100% match fit). but at least he has replaced a fetcher (i don’t really see schalk as a fetcher, but the bok management does think so) with another fetcher. sure it was poor planning to not pick two fetchers in the group from the start, but that is beside the point.

    look, i hate keegan daniel. simply because he is so good. it is the same kind of hatred i had for sean fitzpatrick and steve waugh in their playing days. daniel seems to always score against the bulls, hence the sentiment. he really is an electric player. and he certainly deserves to be in the squad. but he is not a fetcher. and his game is probably not the most suitable for UK conditions. and if it rains (see the 70% prediction for rain), then stegmann will be much more valuable.

    looking forward to your comments on this ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • Comment 85, posted at 05.11.10 09:22:34 by bloubulblog Reply

  • @molly (Comment 79) : When PDV called up Adi, Zane and Stegman the injury doubts existed over JDV & JDJ, and he knew Adi wasn’t 100% match fit which left PDV in the situation that both his specialist centres (although JDV is also a wing in his mind) where not 100%. Why put yourself in that situation?

    In my mind he should have called up 2 centres and Stegman. Ruan, Lambie and Gio all can do a job at 15 so the need to call up Zane is puzzling. No 15 had dropped out the squad? Or had PDV perhaps forgotten Frans Steyn was unavailable for the 1st test?

  • Comment 86, posted at 05.11.10 09:24:58 by Sportbilly Reply

  • @bloubulblog (Comment 85) :

    I agree with you Zane is a bloody good defender and hopefully he gets to grips with the defensive lines at 13 on Sat.(This is where Jean would be missed to organize the backs in defense ..

    Would you advocate Lambie and Morne switching during the match ..? for me that is a exciting prospect.

    Dunno what it is but everytime we play in Ireland we have some sort of injury crises.They are possible quater final opponents in the WC we just have to show up on Sat.Even if we run them close it could almost be said job done as the Boks have already been written off.
    A victory would be a huge blow to Ireland against such an unsettled team.


  • Comment 87, posted at 05.11.10 09:31:07 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

  • I have: no idea, no clue

  • Comment 88, posted at 05.11.10 09:31:34 by JustPlainSHARK Reply

  • ja wat, logic was never snors strong point.

    why did he select adi if he isn’t going to play him when a vacancy opens up in his preffered position?

    same thing with keegan.

    and lambie? what a dumb move, no foresight whatsoever regarding his development. playing him now is like drinking a 2010 meerlust rubicon in 2011.

  • Comment 89, posted at 05.11.10 09:33:19 by knersboy Reply

  • I’ll also say that BOD is not the player he was a couple of years ago.He is also part of the 30 somethings club.Zane must just not back down to him.

  • Comment 90, posted at 05.11.10 09:33:49 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

  • @knersboy (Comment 89) :

    Bloody hell Kners ! How on earth are you ?

  • Comment 91, posted at 05.11.10 09:34:33 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

  • @Mornรฉ (Comment 83) :

    Wow very well said Morne!! ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • Comment 92, posted at 05.11.10 09:34:52 by wpw Reply
  • @bloubulblog (Comment 85) : Hello Ou Bull! Thanks for the words of wisdom boet.

    Like I said earlier, I think the selection of Stegman over Daniel is one of game plan (if both are 100% match fit that is). I rate Deon and he has proved his worth in S14 and CC levels over the last 2 seasons.

    My concern is the lack of planning.

    Same same for the Kirchner selection. I think he will actually be okay at 13. It’s asking alot of him to face BOD in his first test at 13 though..

    Anyway the selectors put themselves in a corner by calling up Zane in the first place I think. When JDJ was ruled out, the selectors knew JDV was still doubtful and their replacement Adi Jacobs had played 32 minutes in the last 7 months.

    Why did Zane get the nod in the first place ahead of players like Waylon Murray or Meyer Bosman? PDV was left in the situation where he had 2 specialist centres in his squad and both were unlikely to start? That’s doff in my book.

    My only idea and this is pure speculation was that the selectors had missed (once again) the fact that Frans Steyn would not be able to play and hence they wanted cover at 15. I feel however that in Ruan and Lambie we had enough cover if Gio got injured.

  • Comment 93, posted at 05.11.10 09:36:55 by Sportbilly Reply

  • @wpw (Comment 92) :

    Wes your boys are coming right , good fighting result lastnight!

    You must be pleased ๐Ÿ˜€

  • Comment 94, posted at 05.11.10 09:38:14 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 87) : it would be exciting to see lambie move in at 10, when we are on attack. but i would say only after a couple of phases has been put up. and rucks\mauls in the middle of the field, woud be a great attacking platform with lets say morne, zane and basson on one side, and on the other side lambie, habana and Aplon able to join either side.

    as morne mentioned experience and disruption to the side is also critical factors. stegmann and spies have played together, and with zane coming at 13, we at least have settled players at 9, 10, 11, 14 and 15 (and 12 if JDV is fit). which means that only 1 player is playing outside of his usual position.

    it really isn’t as bad a situation as some fans are making it to be.

    GO BOKKE!!! can’t wait for kick off

  • Comment 95, posted at 05.11.10 09:41:24 by bloubulblog Reply

  • @Sportbilly (Comment 86) : I’m sorry, but how did PdV know JdJ and JdV weren’t 100%? The day he planned to announce the squad they were both 100% fine. And with those 2 and Adi/Lambie on the bench, we had plenty cover.

    And lets be honest, I’m pretty sure PdV planned (yes, he can do that) to bring Adi on off the bench, not start with him, give him some much needed game time, slowly.

  • Comment 96, posted at 05.11.10 09:42:17 by molly Reply
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  • @Mornรฉ (Comment 83) : Well put but I disagree.

    What you are saying is replace like with like. Schalk and Deon are not at all similiar in the way they play. Deon is a classic fetcher, Schalk is a linking, ball running guy who plays like a blindsider. So I don’t buy that argument.

    The selectors and coach are confused about what type of game they want to play. That’s the one thing that’s blatantly clear.

    See my post 93 and 86 too.

  • Comment 97, posted at 05.11.10 09:44:23 by Sportbilly Reply

  • @Sportbilly (Comment 93) : as for planning, that was not up to par.

    i must say that i was relieved when kirchner was called up, as cover for 15. with fransie steyn unavailable, i wouldn’t have picked aplon myself, i would muc prefer kirchner’s game at 5. and ruan must from now on only be selected at 9 (he already left the country because we can’t seem to decide where we want him to play).

    lambie would have been a good option at fullback, but then we are back at a ruan\gaffie\brent russell situation, which is something a 20 year bok debutant does not need.

    i think kirchner’s cover at 15 was needed when he was called up, but snor should also have called up another centre. and if we look at the outside centres that played in the CC, i would have to go with waylon murray. (i know some people would like to see stef terblance there, but we need to look at the future…). i don’t believe in picking a ‘mature’ player to stop a gap, if you can pick a young one that will still grow.

  • Comment 98, posted at 05.11.10 09:46:40 by bloubulblog Reply

  • @molly (Comment 96) : When he called up Adi & Zane he knew that JDJ was out injured (or why was he calling up a replacement?) and JDV also had a niggle from the Semi-Final which he knew about it..

    I’m not saying he knew when he picked the initial squad. But he clearly did know when he called up Adi and Zane.

  • Comment 99, posted at 05.11.10 09:49:16 by Sportbilly Reply

  • @Sportbilly (Comment 97) :

    Dont take my word, go back to what the Bok management team says about Schalk, and his role – and that is that he is a fetcher…

  • Comment 100, posted at 05.11.10 09:49:53 by Mornรฉ Reply
  • @Sportbilly (Comment 97) : i think what we need to consider, is how the coaches think of schalk.

    it has been made quite clear that they regard schalk as a ‘play-to-the-ball’ type of player, fetcher if you will.

    i agree with you, that is not how i see schalk. but that is how the coaches see him. that is also why brussow and schalk competed for the same spot before.

    and with all the fans baying for the boks to play a proper fetcher, now snor selects one… and the fans find something else to complain about?

    i might be mistake, but the point you are trying to make is that the planning was poor? or are you arguing the selection of the players? if it is the latter, i’m not too convinced myself that we have bette options at 13 and 6 in the squad at this moment in time.

  • Comment 101, posted at 05.11.10 09:50:27 by bloubulblog Reply

  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 91) : csb my friend, long time man. i am good, and yourself?

  • Comment 102, posted at 05.11.10 09:53:09 by knersboy Reply

  • @bloubulblog (Comment 101) :

    I agree, only selection I cannot fathom is Pienaar ahead of Hougaard – other than that, pretty much the best we can hope for.

  • Comment 103, posted at 05.11.10 09:54:46 by Mornรฉ Reply
  • @bloubulblog (Comment 98) : Yip, to be honest I think taking 3 flyhalves was over the top which resulted in being light at centre and fullback.

    Also too many wingers in the squad with Habana, Basson, Mvovo and Aplon all capable. (although I guess he selected Aplon as a Fullback). Once Frans is back things will settle down and we will suddenly have another option at 12 (where he played last night) and 15.

  • Comment 104, posted at 05.11.10 09:56:23 by Sportbilly Reply

  • I can by no means claim to have a thorough understanding of the more technical aspects of the game, but for what it’s worth, here’s my opinion:

    Games in the northern hemisphere are typically not free-flowing affairs featuring a plethora of line breaks and tries. Instead, games tend to be won through set piece dominance, astute tactical- and accurate goal kicking, and of course,defence. So, with that in mind, I’d say we certainly have the tight five to, if not dominate, then at least stand our man in the set pieces. With a 9-10-12 axis of Ruan, Mornรฉ and Patrick we certainly also have players with the potential to kick, and to do so well.

    Defense would be my one area of concern; while our players at 10, 12 and 13 may all be fine in man-on-man situations, they will probably lack synergy as a unit. Add to that the fact that neither Zane nor Pat have much experience in the position, and hence may battle to set the correct lines.

    But for what it’s worth, it’s the Bokke, and on Saturday they’ll have my unconditional support!

  • Comment 105, posted at 05.11.10 09:58:18 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Mornรฉ (Comment 100) : confused

    @bloubulblog (Comment 101) : lack of planning/a vision boss, selections can always be argued either way.

  • Comment 106, posted at 05.11.10 09:58:46 by Sportbilly Reply

  • @Mornรฉ (Comment 103) : morne, i can only think that they have picked ruan for his experience, better kicking game and his knowledge of the irish conditions.

    i think his kicking will be vital (with the good chance of rain). i do think that we will miss hougaard’s defence, especially around rucks\mauls.

    one thing that worries me though, is that pienaar’s coach at ulster has stated that he hopes pienaar can get out of his slump while at the boks (i’m paraphrasing this slightly…).

    and while pienaar can certainly play well at 9, he seems to be a confidence player. but at least we can rest assured, that if pienaar does have a bad day at the office, we can fall back on hougaard.

    i’ve got to run now, will look back in an hour or so.

  • Comment 107, posted at 05.11.10 09:59:34 by bloubulblog Reply

  • @molly (Comment 96) : ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • Comment 108, posted at 05.11.10 10:00:41 by Charlie Reply

  • @Sportbilly (Comment 104) : i would definitely not have picked jantjes to tour, we could have had another centre in his place. but that is easy to say in hindsight.

    what we also need to consider, is that snor needs look at all his options ahead of WC2011. if steyn had not toured eoyt 2006, he might not have gone to the world cup.

    maybe jantjes won’t go to the world cup, but if steyn\lambie gets injured, he might have to. and then he will at least know the bok setup, and have had a test or two.

    while at centre, we probably know that jacque fourie, jean de villiers, wynand olivier and juan de jongh is our 4 best centres. and with lambie and f steyn in the squad, we will have sufficient cover at 12 and 13 come WC2011.

  • Comment 109, posted at 05.11.10 10:03:06 by bloubulblog Reply

  • @Sportbilly (Comment 93) : I’ve said it a few times, Murray and Bosman were not part of the original training squad AND have never been part of the bok plans under Div, Div has brought in someone from the squad and who knows the dynamics. p.s. Bosman is not a 13, and Waylon? why on earth, almost as absurd as Strauss (2 decent games does not a Bok make, this applies to both).

  • Comment 110, posted at 05.11.10 10:05:29 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 110) : The term bok plan has been recently classified as an oxymoron.

    JDV not 100%/ Frans Steyn not available so Cover option: Bosman
    JDJ not fit Cover option: Adi Jacobs whose not fit so cover option: Waylon Murray/ Stef/ Ebersohn or whoever

    Pointless arguing selections anyway..

  • Comment 111, posted at 05.11.10 10:11:58 by Sportbilly Reply

  • @bloubulblog (Comment 109) : So what you’re saying, in a nutshell, is that PdV is planning for the WC?

  • Comment 112, posted at 05.11.10 10:12:45 by molly Reply
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  • No Hope ๐Ÿ™„

  • Comment 113, posted at 05.11.10 10:14:58 by Jarson Reply
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  • @Sportbilly (Comment 93) :

    Maybe the selectors decided that Lambie is good enough to cover 10 and 12??

    Only they will know. We can speculate all we want but none of us know the reasonaing behind some of their decisions.

    As for your comment regarding planning, I am pretty sure Div and his selectors had the team finalised the day of the CC final.

    They obviously didnt know Burger, De Jongh AND Jean would get injured. Which other fetcher in SA is good enough to replace Burger??

    Botes?? Keegan (hell he isnt the same type of player) or Stegmann who i must admit was the form SA fetcher during the S14.

  • Comment 114, posted at 05.11.10 10:17:23 by wpw Reply
  • @molly (Comment 110) : Surely this was what PDV, Muir, Gold and the selectors had in mind…Relax this whole situation will workout fine, we tend to create a mountain out of a molehill… ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • Comment 115, posted at 05.11.10 10:17:31 by Charlie Reply

  • @molly (Comment 110) : IMO Murray had a pretty decent season, def not just 2 games..

  • Comment 116, posted at 05.11.10 10:17:35 by Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 Reply
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  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 94) :


    Gerrard is a LEGEND isn’t he?? :mrgreen: ๐Ÿ˜ˆ

  • Comment 117, posted at 05.11.10 10:18:50 by wpw Reply
  • @Sportbilly (Comment 111) : The cover options you’re proposing are VERY average, and would normally not be chosen for Bok duty. These are special circumstances, Lambie has a future, so potentially does Zane, and def Stegman.

    The ones you list do not, at least in my eyes. Stef would be a temporary solution and will gain us nothing for the WC. Ebersohn has be SO disappointing, he hasn’t made the step up to S14, so picking him for Boks would be silly, unless there’s only 7 of them, and they’re called the BlitzBokke. Waylon has played , 2 semi-decent games, nothing amazing, nothing Bok worthy. And Bosman, was decent, consistant… I would’ve had him in the training group. But then again we had JdV, JdJ, Adi in the training group, with Lambie providing potential cover. And Frans available after the first game. Thats a few options for centre.

  • Comment 118, posted at 05.11.10 10:18:54 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 118) : As I said pointless. ๐Ÿ˜ˆ

  • Comment 119, posted at 05.11.10 10:23:54 by Sportbilly Reply

  • I reckon we are back 2 square one…do we select the best or do we plan or do we rest the players and get stuffed… What is the planning behind the EOYT? If we knew the answer, selections might make more sense. I think they should decide that first and stick to it. Eg. @ EOYT we experiment with a few experinced okes and new blood, or we select an emerging boks team, or we select the best team so we can win.

  • Comment 120, posted at 05.11.10 10:26:36 by Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 Reply
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  • @fyndraai (Comment 54) : and yet your Bok-laden team of Super 15 stars couldn’t win it this year…

    Sour grapes, much?

  • Comment 121, posted at 05.11.10 10:27:29 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 (Comment 120) :

    I think the plan was to take our strongest possible team ..But all the injuries and it pains me to say it they are alot of injuries to key players is what totally disrubted the planning.

    No excuse I guess but not ideal.

  • Comment 122, posted at 05.11.10 10:31:32 by CoffeeShopBok;-) Reply

  • @Jarson (Comment 113) :

    Didnt you say the same thing before the Sharks vs Bulls semi final??

    Kom nou broer!! Get behind the team!! Its what supporters do!! ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • Comment 123, posted at 05.11.10 10:37:04 by wpw Reply
  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 122) : Fair enough. Who’s all on the injury list ahgain? So, then I dissagree. These are not the second best players either (okay – highly debateble) but really??!!

  • Comment 124, posted at 05.11.10 10:39:53 by Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 Reply
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  • @CoffeeShopBok;-) (Comment 122) : so where you at these days csb? i hope not some god forsaken place like kazakhstan or den haag ๐Ÿ™‚

    i am living in the wonderfully cosmopoliton city of rustenburg these days, melting rocks to get shiny stuff out of them. a far cry from den haag although i have seen a few ado den haag supporter types here but we call them blue bulls.

  • Comment 125, posted at 05.11.10 10:53:33 by knersboy Reply

  • @wpw (Comment 7) : Someone who speaks some sense. It’s not an ideal situation….but without JF, JDV, JDJ and WO and with Adi having a serious lack of game time, his options were limited.

    I also have no problem with the selection of Stegman as he is a class fetcher….just look at his form in the Super 14.

    Personally, I would have gone for Hougaard ahead of Ruan to start..but I guess PDV has gone for someone with more experience and particularly in NH conditions and I can’t argue with that.

  • Comment 126, posted at 05.11.10 10:54:59 by Villie Reply
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  • A new article would be lovely… ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • Comment 127, posted at 05.11.10 10:57:20 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Villie (Comment 126) : Now ther’s 2 words that u simply cannot put in 1 sentence… WES and SENSE.. ๐Ÿ˜ˆ ๐Ÿ˜†

  • Comment 128, posted at 05.11.10 11:09:02 by Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 Reply
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  • @Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 (Comment 128) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 129, posted at 05.11.10 11:14:48 by SharksRTB Reply

  • @molly (Comment 82) : What im trying to get at is the fact that you said a lot of people were making some nasty comments when Plum picked Stef at 13. Agreed. But just forget about age for the mo…. Stef vs Zane? who would you pick?
    Stef: great defender, great kicker, great vision, great leadership and calmness.
    Zane: not so good defender, all right kicker, vision questionable, leadership nothing no speak of, and when things get a bit ‘ruff’ he tends to be very jittery…..

  • Comment 130, posted at 05.11.10 11:16:38 by SharksRTB Reply

  • @SharksRTB (Comment 130) : Except for age, you just can’t compare the two.

  • Comment 131, posted at 05.11.10 11:21:13 by SharksRTB Reply

  • Go Pdivvy.
    Cant wait for him to coach the Stormers/Province.

  • Comment 132, posted at 05.11.10 11:27:45 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 132) :
    I forget to add this chap. ๐Ÿ˜ˆ ๐Ÿ˜ˆ ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • Comment 133, posted at 05.11.10 11:40:02 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Centre Jean de Villiers will win his 64 cap for South Africa on Saturday after passing a late fitness test in Dublin on Friday morning. He takes his place in the centre alongside Zane Kirchner for the first test of the Springboksโ€™ four-Test tour of Britain and Ireland.

  • Comment 134, posted at 05.11.10 11:42:23 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
  • @Salmonoid (Comment 133) : I vote for a Coetzee/Snor swap. What say you? ๐Ÿ˜ˆ

  • Comment 135, posted at 05.11.10 11:48:02 by klempie Reply

  • @klempie (Comment 135) :
    Good call – but how do the Province faithful feel about it, would be nice to get their thoughts.

  • Comment 136, posted at 05.11.10 11:52:13 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 136) : WATTE?

  • Comment 137, posted at 05.11.10 12:00:00 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
  • @Salmonoid (Comment 136) :

    Why don’t you ask your friend John Maytham?? :mrgreen: ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • Comment 138, posted at 05.11.10 12:05:10 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 138) :

    You should be happy…you always defend Divv!! ๐Ÿ˜€

  • Comment 139, posted at 05.11.10 12:06:58 by Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 138) :
    I’m not nearly anal enough to be his friend.
    Truth be told I actually enjoy him but hell he can be “eie wys”

  • Comment 140, posted at 05.11.10 12:18:48 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 137) :
    We are just contemplating Province and the Boks swapping coaches.

  • Comment 141, posted at 05.11.10 12:20:02 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Did NO ONE read Morne’s articles on “fetchers”……..

  • Comment 142, posted at 05.11.10 12:26:31 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • Who’s John Maytham? ๐Ÿ˜

  • Comment 143, posted at 05.11.10 12:52:30 by klempie Reply

  • @klempie (Comment 143) :
    A radio presenter on Cape Talk, acts as well. Not partial to us Sharkies and specifically Bismark.

  • Comment 144, posted at 05.11.10 13:06:52 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 143) :
    No cricket thread today?

  • Comment 145, posted at 05.11.10 13:10:26 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 145) : Pakistan? Not worth the effort. ๐Ÿ™„

  • Comment 146, posted at 05.11.10 13:13:34 by klempie Reply

  • @Salmonoid (Comment 144) : Is he a Pom?

  • Comment 147, posted at 05.11.10 13:14:01 by klempie Reply

  • @klempie (Comment 146) :
    You could always put up a link to a betting site then.

  • Comment 148, posted at 05.11.10 13:32:06 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @klempie (Comment 147) :
    No, English South African.

  • Comment 149, posted at 05.11.10 13:33:52 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 148) : Ah. Not the guy I’m thinking of then.

  • Comment 150, posted at 05.11.10 14:12:00 by klempie Reply

  • @Charlie (Comment 9) : :mrgreen:

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