Lots of weather – not so much rugby

Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks on 24 Nov 2010 at 08:13
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If weather reports are to be believed, London will be plunged into the icy grip of some truly horrible weather this weekend, with the mercury not set to rise above two or maybe three degrees on Saturday. With some agencies even predicting snow for the capital on Friday or Saturday, any chance of an attractive spectacle at Twickenham would appear to have gone out the window.

For the Boks, this could be taken as either good news or bad news. On the one hand, the team picked doesn’t appear to contain the correct personnel in the appropriate configuration to produce any sort of attacking rugby anyway. You cut your coat according to your cloth, after all and I guess we’ll just have to see whether the coaches are correct in sticking to the tried-and-tested conservative selections when they really don’t have a hell of a lot to lose any more.

Problem is, exactly the same team lost last week to a weaker side (Scotland) than they will face at Twickenham, playing exactly the same rugby. It’s one thing to claim you’re picking a side that’s suited to the conditions, but those sort of statements tend to have something of a hollow ring when we’ve seen exactly how inept that side is, the moment the hands get a little stiff and the ball a little slippery.

I suppose, looking at it from an optimistic point of view, we could assume that the Boks now know EXACTLY what hey did wrong against Scotland and are actually quite fortunate to have the opportunity, in similar conditions, to put those mistakes right against England. The other slight saving grace is that the sort of 80 metre try that England showed they can score against Australia a fortnight ago is unlikely to be on the cards this time around. The hosts themselves will need to change their approach somewhat as well. Tempering that argument, though, is the fact that, like Scotland, you would expect them to have far more players who are comfortable playing rugby in freezing, wet conditions than the Boks do.

So then – I fear we are in line for more of the same from the weather and from the Boks. Dare we hope that the final scoreline will be different this time? Much has been said about “character victories” on this tour and as Bok supporters, I reckon about the best we can hope for is that the age-old desire to whip the English at any sport, whenever, wherever and however, will somehow spur them on to a close win. With a management team that seems to be at odds with itself and showing no clear direction in terms of how they want to play the game, coupled with a team containing out-of-form players in key positions, I guess that’s about all we can hope for.


  • All Os du Randt could say was:we all know how dangerous a springbok team with its back to the wall is” much for any meaningful planning,strategy I guess..don’t get me wrong:passion Is a must in every bok team
    ..but to trust that alone will win games?..
    The bok team has found itself forced into a corner,wounded so many times now.. πŸ™

  • Comment 1, posted at 24.11.10 08:59:39 by bergshark Reply
  • Bok’s look well and truly up against it now…

    ..should be a genuine arm wrestle with the two best teams in the world equipped at it ………. doing battle!

    Could easily be a hum-dinger ……. Boks 6-5

  • Comment 2, posted at 24.11.10 09:12:28 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • The weather will just be another excuse the Boks can use. πŸ‘Ώ

  • Comment 3, posted at 24.11.10 09:15:01 by Letgo Reply
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  • I repeat what I said on another thread.
    I just want to say for the record that I actually agree with Divvy on one point. Playing Lambie on Saturday with the weather that is predicted could ruin his career. The team selection concidering the expected weather is probably the right one except for Stegmann who I would have replaced with Alberts… who says that I only critisize P Divvy πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 4, posted at 24.11.10 09:23:14 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 4) : I disagree with you and Divvy! 😐

  • Comment 5, posted at 24.11.10 09:24:26 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 5) : Because it just means you both feel rain means more kicking and it does not necessarily have to be the case.

  • Comment 6, posted at 24.11.10 09:25:24 by Letgo Reply
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  • ‘I suppose, looking at it from an optimistic point of view, we could assume that the Boks now know EXACTLY what hey did wrong against Scotland’

    I’m not convinced they have a clue.

  • Comment 7, posted at 24.11.10 09:26:49 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 2) : hum-dinger…6-5? That would be boooring!

    I don’t think we can beat England. Unless we lost against Scotland on purpose to throw everyone of their game.

  • Comment 8, posted at 24.11.10 09:27:15 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 6) : Not really but if Lambie is forced to play the current gameplan he isn’t going to look great either so I’d rather have Morne look bad.

  • Comment 9, posted at 24.11.10 09:28:08 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 9) : So true. You are very wise! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 10, posted at 24.11.10 09:42:22 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 4) : As long as he’s used correctly as a sub, bringing him in at the death hoping he can perform miracles could be just as damaging.

  • Comment 11, posted at 24.11.10 09:53:22 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 11) : To tell you the truth Lambie doesn’t look like the type that will get damaged. That’s Ruan Pienaar and Fransie Steyntjie’s job. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 12, posted at 24.11.10 09:56:33 by Letgo Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 12) : He just wants to be on the field!

  • Comment 13, posted at 24.11.10 09:57:11 by Letgo Reply
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  • MY BLOOD IS GREEN…i believe we will beat the poms on Saturday…

  • Comment 14, posted at 24.11.10 10:02:20 by Barrel Reply

  • @Letgo (Comment 12) : I guess I’m also looking at it from a ‘public perception’ perspective. If Lambie is forced to kick another match winning penalty or conversion and misses you’ll end up with a situation where certain fans and certain rugby sites start questioning whether he is up to international standard. That may be damaging when those conversations eventually find their way back to him.

    This ofcourse is completely unfair as we have veterans like Matt Giteau who still struggle with their kicking game from time to time.

  • Comment 15, posted at 24.11.10 10:03:52 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 15) : Perhaps to elaborate on that point – I believe this is exactly what has happened to Ryan Kankowski. The media and fans are busy convincing themselves that he can’t step up to international rugby. It’s really unfair. Ryan has been given very few starts and he’s been played out of position on occasions. I watched the Scotland game again last night and he put in a lot of hard graft.

    Same things busy happening to Kirchner. He may not be the most creative or talented fullback but he’s not as crap as everyone is making him out to be. He’s pretty reliable at the back as much as I hate to admit it. We do now have better options at fullback but that’s a different conversation.

  • Comment 16, posted at 24.11.10 10:15:10 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Letgo (Comment 5) : @Pokkel (Comment 4) : I really believe we should have started Lambie at 12 in this game. That’s what the AB’s did with Carter, and that’s what the Sharks did with Lambie… it works!!!

  • Comment 17, posted at 24.11.10 10:22:11 by CS Reply

  • @CS (Comment 17) : Agreed, in this position he could easily switch flyhalf roles with Morne Steyn when we’re on the attack

  • Comment 18, posted at 24.11.10 10:28:11 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @CS (Comment 17) : That would have been smart right from the start. Why begin with the England game. But still better than bringing him on with 15 to go and boks in trouble.

  • Comment 19, posted at 24.11.10 10:55:12 by Letgo Reply
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  • SNOW!!!? Heck, I hope the Poms play in their blue kit, coz if they play in their whites, our tackling would really suck!!

  • Comment 20, posted at 24.11.10 12:27:55 by JustPlainSHARK Reply

  • @Pokkel (Comment 4) : πŸ˜†

  • Comment 21, posted at 24.11.10 12:48:02 by rekinek Reply
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  • I’m hoping we’ll at least see a different team for the next game!

  • Comment 22, posted at 24.11.10 13:29:14 by Letgo Reply
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  • Team for the Baa Baas.

    15 Steyn/Aplon depends is Frans is available
    14 Odwa
    13 Jacobs
    12 Lambie
    11 Mvovo
    10 Jantjies
    9 McLOed
    8 Kanko
    7 Alberts
    6 Daniel
    5 Al HArg
    4 Flip
    3 Jannie
    2 Bismarck
    1 Beast

  • Comment 23, posted at 24.11.10 13:43:55 by Mocho Reply

  • @Mocho (Comment 23) : is this definate?

    @JustPlainSHARK (Comment 20) : hahahaha!
    Lambie at 12 …sigh poor guy ,that 10 understudy spot is rightfully his .If he is chosen at 12 then i will be verry angry with pdv and dick muir ! Lambie the sharks will take care of you at 10 boy…Did any one hear that frans steyn may be linked with the lions?

  • Comment 24, posted at 24.11.10 13:58:20 by baw Reply

  • @JustPlainSHARK (Comment 20) : I actually don’t… I found it so hard to tell the difference between the green of the Boks and the blue of Scotland when the kit got wet… wonder if the players had the same issue

  • Comment 25, posted at 24.11.10 14:03:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • We will beat poms on saturday regardless of the conditions ,the boks play their best rugby when they face shaming their country ,when we are diabolically bad is when we tend to pick ourselves up and stuff up a team .Pitty thats what it takes

  • Comment 26, posted at 24.11.10 14:04:16 by baw Reply

  • the fewer sharks in the bok team the better. i would rather have the sharks players fit and revitalised for next year than have them wasting time in the p diddy circus.

  • Comment 27, posted at 24.11.10 14:18:58 by try time Reply

  • @CS (Comment 17) : i agree with you there lambie is great in ano 12 but who are we PDV the clown won’t give us a ear πŸ˜•

  • Comment 28, posted at 24.11.10 14:24:13 by chaz Reply

  • @JustPlainSHARK (Comment 20) : 😳

  • Comment 29, posted at 24.11.10 14:32:09 by chaz Reply

  • @Barrel (Comment 14) : i just hope u are right and spot on SB is what make me a bit 😳 i think all of our blood is G&G its just HH his is the dying Black when it comes to the G&G :mrgreen:

  • Comment 30, posted at 24.11.10 14:34:18 by chaz Reply

  • @baw (Comment 26) : Remember we lost to Scotland by 20/6 in 2002, the very next week we lost to England by 53/3. So hope your theory is correct. Then in 2002 that was a really great England side and probably our worst Boks ever.

  • Comment 31, posted at 24.11.10 14:35:22 by Puma Reply

  • @baw (Comment 24) : i heard sth on the radio him and old butch maybe Rob can gv us a update on that one πŸ™‚

  • Comment 32, posted at 24.11.10 14:35:54 by chaz Reply

  • @try time (Comment 27) : thats a great one try time get them ready 4 the S15 :mrgreen:

  • Comment 33, posted at 24.11.10 14:37:18 by chaz Reply

  • @Puma (Comment 31) : @Puma (Comment 31) : i lv that Avatar it looks great :mrgreen:

  • Comment 34, posted at 24.11.10 14:37:53 by chaz Reply

  • @chaz (Comment 34) : Well only have it for this eoyt, then will put a Shark pic there.

  • Comment 35, posted at 24.11.10 14:45:51 by Puma Reply

  • @Puma (Comment 35) : its still great i’m looking 4 one special one and can’t get one tell me where do u get ur Avatars πŸ™‚

  • Comment 36, posted at 24.11.10 14:47:54 by chaz Reply

  • I don`t know about you ppl, but I am still furious with P Divvy for calling Lambie ” impetuous ” and indirectly accusing him of losing the test for us on saturday.

    After he made the call to take Morne off and bring Lambie on!

    He`s trying to turn Lambie into another Gaffie.

  • Comment 37, posted at 24.11.10 14:50:49 by Original Champion Reply
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  • @Original Champion (Comment 37) : Must have been a translation misunderstood. I doubt PdV uses the word impetuous. 😈

  • Comment 38, posted at 24.11.10 14:57:40 by McLovin Reply

  • I don’t think it will snow on Saturday.

    In London that is. Pretty sure it will be snowing plenty in many other spots across the globe. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 39, posted at 24.11.10 15:04:02 by McLovin Reply

  • @Original Champion (Comment 37) : that’s the clown PDV blame
    everyone else but himself

  • Comment 40, posted at 24.11.10 15:05:55 by chaz Reply

  • @McLovin (Comment 38) : He didn`t use impetuous he was speaking Afr. He said ” Lambie se Voortvarendheid ( spelling ? ) . . .. “

  • Comment 41, posted at 24.11.10 15:22:51 by Original Champion Reply
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  • @Original Champion (Comment 37) : Never read anywhere that he called Lambie that. By the time Lambie came on the game was long lost already. Anyhow Morne and Fransie missed a kick too. But the game was lost by kicking away most of our ball straight back to the opposition. Even our kicking game was a shambles.

  • Comment 42, posted at 24.11.10 15:26:14 by Puma Reply

  • @Original Champion (Comment 41) : What does (Voortvarenheid) mean in English?

  • Comment 43, posted at 24.11.10 15:28:00 by Puma Reply

  • @Puma (Comment 43) :

    sailing ahead..

  • Comment 44, posted at 24.11.10 15:33:49 by Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 Reply
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  • @Puma (Comment 43) : impetuous . . .

  • Comment 45, posted at 24.11.10 15:37:56 by Original Champion Reply
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  • @Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 (Comment 44) : Thanks Ice, Then maybe he said Pat’s kick went sailing ahead. ❓ Not sure just read post 31.

  • Comment 46, posted at 24.11.10 15:38:58 by Puma Reply

  • @Original Champion (Comment 45) : Well then that is the first time he has criticized a player out loud. Not good that really to do that to a youngster.

  • Comment 47, posted at 24.11.10 15:41:38 by Puma Reply

  • @Puma (Comment 47) : Well this was on SABC news this week.

    Oh well, nothing we can do about it now.

    Thing is, I just wouldn`t select Lambie. We know he`s an attacking flyhalf and you can`t play his sorta style up there in those conditions. Just leave him on the bench then.

  • Comment 48, posted at 24.11.10 16:00:38 by Original Champion Reply
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  • @Original Champion (Comment 48) : Well if he is going to critize him to the press, then he may as well leave him on the bench. Not good to knock his confidence like that. Not fair to the youngster too, to come on so late and just take a kick in pouring rain. Should have been giving to Ruan or Fransie.

  • Comment 49, posted at 24.11.10 16:12:18 by Puma Reply

  • @Puma (Comment 49) : Agreed 100%.

  • Comment 50, posted at 24.11.10 16:15:28 by Original Champion Reply
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  • @Original Champion (Comment 45) :

    I think you have it wrong…”voortvarend” is a compliment in my books…it means sort of “ambitious” or “doing well” in a sense…

  • Comment 51, posted at 24.11.10 16:24:01 by Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 Reply
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  • @Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 (Comment 51) : Hey you might be right. I only have English 3. Humble Apologies. 😳

  • Comment 52, posted at 24.11.10 16:29:56 by Original Champion Reply
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  • @Original Champion (Comment 52) : u thought of “voor op di wa” perhaps?

  • Comment 53, posted at 24.11.10 16:35:57 by Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 Reply
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  • According to ‘Die Groot Woordeboek’ voortvarend means:

    Impulsive; impetuous, dashing, eager, rash, full of push, pushing.

  • Comment 54, posted at 24.11.10 16:41:21 by McLovin Reply

  • I then according to that still think it was meant as a compliment, more towards the eager definition. Normally if u say a business man is “voortvarend”, it means h is doing well and excelling.

  • Comment 55, posted at 24.11.10 17:12:13 by Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 Reply
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  • @Ice-Cool CC Champ 2010 (Comment 55) : I tend to agree. It’s one of those words that doesn’t always translate that well.

    But then again the PdV special edition woordeboek might have a totally different meaning. 😈 πŸ˜‰

  • Comment 56, posted at 24.11.10 17:22:26 by McLovin Reply

  • Some good news.

    None of the Boks that were tested after the Scotland game tested positive for any dope. 😎

  • Comment 57, posted at 25.11.10 22:59:39 by McLovin Reply


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