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Stormers the biggest losers


Written by Morné Nortier (Morné)

Posted in :Lions, Original Content, Sharks, Stormers on 7 Feb 2011 at 12:31
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It is not often that the losing coach is the happier one in the post-match press conference.

But this was exactly the case following the last Neo-Africa Tri-series warm-up games between the Stormers and the Sharks at Newlands.

From the stands, the Sharks won every aspect of the game but on the scoreboard with the Stormers ending the stronger of the two teams scoring 2 converted tries in 8 minutes to win by one point.

By this stage however both teams made a mountain of substitutions and where the Stormers seemed to be galvanized by the changes, the Sharks lost structure, and one could say discipline.

John Plumtree was quite blunt in his assessment responding to the first question he was asked whether such a last minute loss meant anything.

“No,” was his simple answer.

A standard response from the losing coach in a warm-up match, which does mean little, but just from the conviction in which he said it, you really had the feeling that Plumtree and his charges got exactly what they wanted from this game.

In contrast, Allister Coetzee and Andries Bekker bemoaned their side’s discipline, lack of structure, and adapting to the referee on the day.

Practice matches, and a tournament like the Neo-Africa Tri-series, are designed to help coaches prepare their teams, and answer some questions they have in the back of their minds.

This leaves one with the question on which coach approached this series correctly, and given the reaction following the final match in the series, you would have to imagine that the scoreboard winners, the Stormers who won both their matches, were in fact, the biggest losers.

Both the Sharks and Lions will carry more confidence and momentum into the first round of the Super 15 proper.  More importantly, I believe the Stormers now have more questions than what they would have had before this series kicked off.

Being bored out of my mind in the first 10 minutes of the presser where Neo-Africa and their partners, FNB, chatted to the media about their role and motivation in sponsoring such a series, I actually came to realise that the Stormers, hosting this tournament, are putting unnecessary pressure on themselves where winning on the scoreboard becomes more important than what should be learned from such matches due to the public pressure from playing at home.

Coetzee will use their last warm-up match against Boland this weekend to satisfy some mathematical formula he has by giving most of his players a minimum of 120 minutes pre-season game time, but I fear he and his management missed a trick.

400 minutes of pre-season game time will not benefit a team if it is not used to effectively test structures and combinations where a worthless ‘win’ is seemingly the goal.


72 Comments

  • Morné every one of your articles seems to hit the nail on the head. Good stuff again man. 😆
    For me the Stormers backline particularly 9 & 10 are now a serious headache for their coach to sort out with just 1 low key game left. He’d almost committed to Januarie and v Aswegen, if you were him do you now opt to test a new combination against Boland or give game time to the incumbents ❓

  • Comment 1, posted at 07.02.11 12:44:16 by beet Reply
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  • Great read Morne and I totally agree!!

    The Sharks were the better team on the day. They dominated almost every aspect of play.

    What did you think of the performance of the ref??

    I thought he was being pedantic by handing out all those yellow cards!! 🙄

  • Comment 2, posted at 07.02.11 12:44:24 by wpw Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 1) :

    It serves no purpose now to give Cronje a run at 10, Van Aswegen has to be Grant’s understudy although I would personally prefer Watts.

    @wpw (Comment 2) :

    I had a device where I could listen to the ref throughout the game, the first yellow I reckon was a bit harsh, but Bosch had an absolute shocker. Habana’s yellow was thanks to the idiot assistant ref.

    But he warned players from both sides repeatedly at the ruck mentioning time and time again their ‘instructions’ was to strict again in this area.

    Players need to adapt.

  • Comment 3, posted at 07.02.11 12:50:32 by Morné Reply
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  • That said, Cronje can cover both 10 and 15, but I get the feeling there are issues other than rugby at work here sidelining Cronje – it is just a personal feeling.

  • Comment 4, posted at 07.02.11 12:51:37 by Morné Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 2) :
    Agree, but only for the one regarding Adongo.

  • Comment 5, posted at 07.02.11 12:55:50 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • there is one nagging doubt in the back of my mind, though… the Sharks are the only SA team not to have won even a single warmup game…

  • Comment 6, posted at 07.02.11 12:56:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 3) :

    I think he was harsh on Habana and that Kenyan dude!!

    Does he know it was only a pre-season game?? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 7, posted at 07.02.11 12:57:51 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 7) :

    Sharks were on a last warning as a team at that stage.

  • Comment 8, posted at 07.02.11 12:59:27 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 3) : Personally I didn’t agree with Lawrence’s decision to let play continue once Hoffman (I think) had knocked after the hooter and then to only give the Stormers a short advantage. It made no sense.
    Not that I cared for the outcome of the game but the final try didn’t get much attention. Could Fondse have gone to ground, placed the ball and then placed it again? I imagined it to be that way but I’m probably being biased.

  • Comment 9, posted at 07.02.11 13:00:49 by beet Reply
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  • As a Sharks fan I came away from the game feeling very confident – the scoreline really did mean zip. That the Sharks could be in the game with effectively only having one full front row and a pair of locks available to complete the whole game and still managing to dominate all phases of the game must be very pleasing for Plum.

    What I want to know is where the Stormers backline was?

  • Comment 10, posted at 07.02.11 13:03:30 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 9) :

    The law states you have to place the ball immediately.

    Not only was it delayed, from my viewpoint it was rolled over – but it matters little.

  • Comment 11, posted at 07.02.11 13:04:31 by Morné Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 5) : completely 🙂

    He got jealous when he saw the lad’s abs!

  • Comment 12, posted at 07.02.11 13:04:55 by robdylan Reply
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  • Personally, I think yellows at warm up games are good because they re inforce what is to come at the real thing. Rather get sent off now than later. 😕

  • Comment 13, posted at 07.02.11 13:05:28 by Caratacus Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 11) : was it Fondse or Elsdtdadtd?

  • Comment 14, posted at 07.02.11 13:06:31 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 14) :

    Fondse

  • Comment 15, posted at 07.02.11 13:08:45 by Morné Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 12) :
    Must admit that when poor Daniel was left shy and bare chested I couldnt help thinking about how long it will take for him to feature in a calendar.
    Maybe the French will poach him – just so that he can be photographed.

  • Comment 16, posted at 07.02.11 13:11:23 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 15) : ah ok… commentators got that wrong, hence so did my match report.

    Wish I’d known. Fondse is much easier to spell.

  • Comment 17, posted at 07.02.11 13:13:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • I feel Adongo was on his feet when he grabbed the ball, then got dragged down by the stormer on the ground, finished up on the wrong side with the ball in his hands.

    Lawrence saw him, ball in hand on the wrong side and made a call.

  • Comment 18, posted at 07.02.11 13:14:28 by Original Champion Reply
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  • Watts are Stormers best bet @ 10 currently 😉

  • Comment 19, posted at 07.02.11 13:15:09 by Charlie Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 17) :

    Yeah when I watched it afterwards the TV showed the loosie being high-5’d and they all assumed it was him, guys up by us said it was Fondse though.

    @Original Champion (Comment 18) :

    Original infringement was side-entry.

  • Comment 20, posted at 07.02.11 13:16:26 by Morné Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 1) : I thought van Aswegen had a reasonable game for a youngster actually.
    @wpw (Comment 2) : hehehe..trying to tag the Sharks as favourites again? Did you oder you new Sharks jersey?…don’t worry I won’t tell!!

  • Comment 21, posted at 07.02.11 13:22:35 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 20) : Okay sorry my mistake.

  • Comment 22, posted at 07.02.11 13:26:25 by Original Champion Reply
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  • @Original Champion (Comment 22) :

    No sweat, I had veldore which you guy could not hear on the TV!

  • Comment 23, posted at 07.02.11 13:29:01 by Morné Reply
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  • @Charlie (Comment 19) : stem

  • Comment 24, posted at 07.02.11 13:34:26 by robdylan Reply
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  • Great read morne!

  • Comment 25, posted at 07.02.11 13:38:54 by Ben Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 2) : I got a lot of flack because of Lawrence. For some reason Stormers thinks he is pro-sharks?? 😈

  • Comment 26, posted at 07.02.11 13:43:15 by Original Champion Reply
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  • @Original Champion (Comment 26) : ja… he hardly looked pro Sharks at all on Sat.. 🙄

  • Comment 27, posted at 07.02.11 13:51:25 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Original Champion (Comment 26) : @robdylan (Comment 27) :

    I dont think he was pro-Sharks. Just thought he was too harsh in handing out YC’s and he blew for every little indiscretion!! 😕

  • Comment 28, posted at 07.02.11 14:04:07 by wpw Reply
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  • I still rate Kaplan above him though. And maybe Jafta!! He allows the game to flow.

  • Comment 29, posted at 07.02.11 14:07:46 by Original Champion Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 28) : umm – surely the ref doesn’t have leeway to decide which of the laws to apply or not apply in a given match? He must blow to the letter of the law every game!

  • Comment 30, posted at 07.02.11 14:30:18 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Charlie (Comment 19) : Agree completely. The problem with them though is that Grant is going to come back after playing against weaker teams and not be used to Superugby. Might take him a while to adapt.

    Although to be honest, it didn’t take Tony Brown too long when he played for us.

  • Comment 31, posted at 07.02.11 14:31:41 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 31) : Let Grant play from the bench then, still think that Watts will make the step up 😉

  • Comment 32, posted at 07.02.11 14:37:03 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Charlie (Comment 32) : Agree about Watts. Last year, when we were having our FH troubles, I was hoping management would ask him to come to the Sharks.

    He’s going to be a good one for the future. No Lambie though.

  • Comment 33, posted at 07.02.11 14:40:58 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 33) : for Watts to look THAT good in a very average Pumas team, you just know how special he is.

  • Comment 34, posted at 07.02.11 14:45:13 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 34) : Agreed.

    One player I’d toss if I were the Stormers would be Bryan Banana. The swelling of his head had distorted his talent on the field.

  • Comment 35, posted at 07.02.11 14:47:29 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 35) : sad to see such a great reduced to such mediocrity. Still, he’s a KES boy, so I can live with it 🙂

  • Comment 36, posted at 07.02.11 14:49:59 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 36) : True, I have to admit a little bit of glee when it looked like Odwa took him out of the air on Saturday. The wheel turns…

  • Comment 37, posted at 07.02.11 14:51:20 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 37) : opening movement of the 2007 final? Oke shoulda been binned for that.

  • Comment 38, posted at 07.02.11 14:53:54 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 38) : I thinking more along the lines of blatantly taking out Percy in the 2007 Super 14 Final. If it had been any other game or ref other than Steve Walsh Jnr. Jnr., he would’ve got a red card.

  • Comment 39, posted at 07.02.11 14:56:54 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • It is amazing with what clarity you okes can remember the opening moment of the 2007 final but have amnesia when recalling the closing one! 😈

  • Comment 40, posted at 07.02.11 14:57:24 by Morné Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 39) : that’s what I meant…. wasn’t it the opening movement?

    @Morné (Comment 40) : it’s taken lots of therapy to get to that point. Don’t undo all the good work!

  • Comment 41, posted at 07.02.11 14:58:40 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 40) : Oh, the Victor Matfield playing the ball in the ruck in full view of EVERYONE. It has been burnt into my mind forever and if I die and go to hell, it’ll be me strapped in front of a TV having to watch that injustice.

  • Comment 42, posted at 07.02.11 14:59:17 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 41) : Sorry Rob, for some reason my mind went straight to the RWC final. Suppose remember the good stuff and ditch the bad.

  • Comment 43, posted at 07.02.11 15:00:13 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 40) :
    I remember both opening and closing – Sharks were schneid in both phases.

  • Comment 44, posted at 07.02.11 15:10:40 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 33) : Had call the same thing that time…@robdylan (Comment 34) : Nou praat jy !

  • Comment 45, posted at 07.02.11 15:10:58 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 40) :
    Don’t be mean. 😥

    Nice article – said the same thing to Weasel, who shared your concerns.

  • Comment 46, posted at 07.02.11 15:14:31 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 21) : I’m a big admirer of Gary van Aswegen. I’ve watched him on several occasions last year. Saturday was by a country mile the worst game I’d seen him play in. He was terrible. That said I still believe he’s the best choice for no.10 and I hope AC continues to back him.

  • Comment 47, posted at 07.02.11 15:17:06 by beet Reply
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  • Despite what I said above I also still like Mark Lawrence the international ref. A few years ago Mark seemed down and out and was cut from the international panel. He has since bounced back and even won deservedly the SA ref of year award along the way.

  • Comment 48, posted at 07.02.11 15:18:50 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 48) : Mark Lawrence is consistent and that’s more than a lot of refs out there.

    Refs are not always respected and they go through as much as the players.

    I’ve decided that this year is the year where I combine resolutions. I’ve always wanted to be fitter and I’ve always wanted to be a ref (at least playing some part in rugby). So I found out the course is in October/November, so I have the rest of the year to get my fitness up and earn a whistle.

  • Comment 49, posted at 07.02.11 15:25:14 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 49) :

    Well done.

    On Lawrence, and I expect a lot of refs, we as supporters don’t always get to hear how the ref talks (and warns) players on the field all the time. The broadcaster blacks out passages within the match when you hear the ref talk on his mic.

    I heard everything in this match, and I cannot really blame Lawrence for much at all.

  • Comment 50, posted at 07.02.11 15:28:06 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 50) : Nothing to blame Lawrence for. We piled on the changes in the end and I think the change affected us negatively.

  • Comment 51, posted at 07.02.11 15:31:38 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 50) :
    Are those “veldore” that you had part of the press corps package or can the public also get hold of them. I remember many years ago that they could be got at certain stadia.

  • Comment 52, posted at 07.02.11 15:54:46 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 52) :

    Haven’t seen them sold publicly.

  • Comment 53, posted at 07.02.11 15:56:53 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 53) :
    Do you know why a lot of the refs and players talk is not broadcast?

  • Comment 54, posted at 07.02.11 16:23:53 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 54) : In the NFL, referees have microphones as well, but they only turn them on when they announce what the penalty was. The microphone is never left on during play. Interesting, in the Superbowl last night, one of the coaches challenged a play (video replay), the ref went to talk to the coach and still had his microphone on. After two words he realized this and immediately turned it off.

    I often find the pedantic referees (like Wayne Barnes) to be very irritating when their microphones are on. I still believe that refs should not coach, if they want to tell the players how to play, they should become a coach, not a referee, they are there to point out when a player does something against the laws of the game.

  • Comment 55, posted at 07.02.11 18:35:37 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 54) :

    I suppose for the same reasons cricket stump mic’s are turned off at times.

    Remember he is close to the players and rugby is a ‘family’ sport. And you also know rugby players in the heat of the moment let slip one or two words that should not be aired on family channels 😉 I heard a couple…

    @Dancing Bear (Comment 55) :

    Here is something I found fascinating.

    During the game and during breaks, like when team’s were kicking for goal etc. Mark was constantly talking to his assistants. Now I could not hear what they said but Mark at one stage said to them; “Guys they are quick off the line but don’t be fooled to think they are off-side, please make sure before you make such a call to me”

  • Comment 56, posted at 08.02.11 08:42:27 by Morné Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 55) : @Morné (Comment 56) :
    Is it the refs themselves that turn their equipment on and off – I guess it would have to be because they are the ones that now what is coming, but one would expect a few slips now and then and I cant really remember that happening. Yes and off course there is a lot of heavy language on a rugby field and some does get through when someone is having the life twisted out of some or other appendage.

    Morne, that comment from Lawrence to the TJ’s is something that I as a viewer would like to hear – it would give me a better “feeling” of what is happening on the field. I presume that the commentators would also have access to the going ons and so could also pass on that info to us.

  • Comment 57, posted at 08.02.11 09:32:22 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 12) : Abs?All I saw were shoulders

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 57) :

    It is controlled by the broadcaster, I heard Lawrence all the time, and I would suspect the commentators too.

  • Comment 59, posted at 08.02.11 09:42:46 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 53) : They were sold publicly last year bro, I know this because a certain family member of yours bought one before the French test I think.

  • Comment 60, posted at 08.02.11 09:45:05 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 60) :

    Him buy shit!!!

    He was given it!!!

  • Comment 61, posted at 08.02.11 09:49:42 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 61) : 😈 😛 Lying rat b….

    I’m sitting here amazed at how you took anything away from that game, I was 3 minutes away from dying from sunstroke.
    I even confused Beast and Bismark at one point.Not ideal.

  • Comment 62, posted at 08.02.11 09:52:01 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 62) :

    All the wine before the match hydrated me sufficiently! You arrived late!

  • Comment 63, posted at 08.02.11 09:54:07 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 63) : I was on time for the game, but late for the pre party.Watch your words, you’re going to get me in trouble with the boss

  • Comment 64, posted at 08.02.11 09:58:06 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 64) :

    Oops, sorry, my lips are sealed.

  • Comment 65, posted at 08.02.11 10:05:39 by Morné Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 64) : erm herm… 🙂

  • Comment 66, posted at 08.02.11 10:31:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • Seems like Claytie and Morne took Newlands by storm…

  • Comment 67, posted at 08.02.11 10:35:24 by Ice (KCM) Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 66) : Please reread comment 64 ➡

  • Comment 68, posted at 08.02.11 10:37:53 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @Ice (KCM) (Comment 67) : Not so much took Newlands by storm as almost died due to sun exposure.

  • Comment 69, posted at 08.02.11 10:40:29 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 68) : 🙂

  • Comment 70, posted at 08.02.11 10:47:27 by robdylan Reply
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  • Sommer lost a couple of KG`s at newlands as well . . Everyone`s a winner at the Cotton Club ! 😉

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  • @Original Champion (Comment 71) : 😛

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