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Another loss for the Impi


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content on 8 Feb 2011 at 10:41
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The UKZN Impi’s unfortunate start to the 2011 Varsity Shield continued last night, as they lost to tournament pace-setters Wits in Pietermaritzburg. The loss leaves our boys languishing at the very bottom of the table and they have a mountain to climb if they hope to progress to the Varsity Cup proper next year.

In a virtual carbon copy of last week’s loss to UWC, UKZN were well in contention for the opening hour of the game, only to fall away badly in the final quarter and concede a slew of points. This time around, fullback Kirsten Jones – a young man who has played age-group rugby for EP – kept the scoreboard ticking over for the Impi, but his four penalties were not enough once the Wits boys started scoring tries. The visitors scored twice in the second half to add to their try in the first half and took the game 22-12.

Having played one more game than any of the other sides, Wits are sitting at the top of the Varsity Shield table with 12 points from 3 games. In lat night’s other Shield game, CUT from Bloemfontein took out UWC in Belville, moving up to second on the table in the process.

For Bear Meanwell and his Impi, though, there is much to do ahead of their Valentine’s Day clash against fellow cellar-dwellers Fort Hare.

Match breakdown courtesy www.varsitycup.co.za.

UKZN 12 Wits 22

The scorers:

For FNB UKZN:
Pens: Jones 4

For FNB Wits:
Tries: Gamede 2, Arends
Cons: Lizamore 2
Pen: Lizamore

The teams:

UKZN: 15 Kirsten Jones, 14 Gareth Borchardt, 13 Kurt Mavrodaris, 12 Wessel Booysen, 11 Louis Nondela, 10 Peter Grunow, 9 Calvin Channing, 8 Kyle Ross, 7 Robert Warnock, 6 Lwazi Ngcungama, 5 Chris Ndlovu, 4 Gerrit Fourie, 3 Luciando Santos, 2 Justin Meanwell (captain), 1 Kurt Schonert.
Replacements: 16 Nico Du Plooy, 17 Mazisi Ostrich, 18 Tinashe Bopoto, 19 Absolom Mumba, 20 Zander Engelbrecht, 21 Troy Chiocchetti, 22 Jaco Potgieter, 23 Marc Colia.

Wits: 15 Eman Mphande, 14 Nkuli Gamede, 13 Brandon Lizamore, 12 Rudolf Prinsloo, 11 Riaan Arends, 10 Sean Manton, 9 David Turnbull (captain), 8 Devin Montgomery, 7 Shai Korb, 6 Ryan Odendall, 5 Charles Baggott, 4 Kats Ntsie, 3 Paulo Ferreira, 2 Tyrell Tintinger, 1 Katlego Kgame.
Replacements: 16 Rory Anderson, 17 Anele Guzana, 18 Brendan Whyte, 19 Ernst van Niekerk, 20 Brent Crossley, 21 Heinke Hartdegen, 22 Michael Sephton-Poultney, 23 Clayton Allem.


49 Comments

  • Whose coaching this team?

  • Comment 1, posted at 08.02.11 10:53:23 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 1) : Bryan Bateman and Dylan Campbell.

    The former coached the Wildebeest in the Vodacom Cup a few years ago. The latter is 23…

  • Comment 2, posted at 08.02.11 11:02:59 by robdylan Reply
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  • You Dubs had a massive lead, how the hell did they surrender that?

  • Comment 3, posted at 08.02.11 11:03:54 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • @Clayton(PJLD) (Comment 3) : would also like to know that… they were croooozing.

  • Comment 4, posted at 08.02.11 11:09:32 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 2) :

    What support are they getting from the union, if any?

  • Comment 5, posted at 08.02.11 11:10:29 by Morné Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 4) : 30 point lead.Eish.

  • Comment 6, posted at 08.02.11 11:13:43 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • Wrt UKZN do you think that its a matter of fitness?Fading in the lost 20 minutes usually means the players may be enjoying the black label sponsorship more than sweating it out during pre season

  • Comment 7, posted at 08.02.11 11:15:30 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • Gamede or Gumede ? Is the wing a relation to Robert ?

  • Comment 8, posted at 08.02.11 11:16:47 by Speed7 Reply

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  • @Speed7 (Comment 8) :
    Could be his son. I read somewhere that he had a son that played school rugby and I think even Craven Week rugby.
    I think he bought the Lions for him.

  • Comment 9, posted at 08.02.11 11:28:34 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 5) : I fear nowhere near enough.

    There are enough really good club players in KZN that we shouldn’t be struggling like this. I mean, half the Rovers team now plays for Tukkies. Imagine the Union could have incentivised those guy to go play for UKZN instead!

  • Comment 10, posted at 08.02.11 11:44:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 10) :

    Interesting, and unfortunately very short-sighted.

    The Sharks arguably has the smallest resource base of all major unions…

    This could be a massive benefit to them.

  • Comment 11, posted at 08.02.11 11:51:01 by Morné Reply
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  • Hey all ,yeah dill campbell is a good coach ,a year or two ago he coached the team i played for, nice guy and technically sound,thing is he went to school with some of the guys he is coaching .
    Having watched the games ,i know for a fact this side is no where near what it could be .Club rugby is still dominant in kzn and attracts most of the school boys once they have matriculated, well those that don’t end up going to another province for varsity. Until there is more incentive to play in the varsity cup kzn will always struggle ,our club rugby is probably one of the best in South Africa at the moment, but our varsities just don’t have the same appeal that UCT or Stellenbosch have. The frightening thing to me is that private institutions such as varsity college and the sharks academy are more aggressive in terms of offering scholarships to sportsmen than ukzn is .Maybe this is just from what i have heard ,but i would like to see some stats on the subject.

  • Comment 12, posted at 08.02.11 11:59:30 by Talent Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 10) : I wonder if the players have to be students at the varsity they play for?

  • Comment 13, posted at 08.02.11 12:06:02 by Talent Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 13) : I think something like 70% of the team need to be registered students…

  • Comment 14, posted at 08.02.11 12:08:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 13) : Yes, I think they are allowed 5 players who arent.

  • Comment 15, posted at 08.02.11 12:08:52 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • Rob I saw a few minutes of the Impi’s first game against UWC. I kept an eye out for your old team mate, Booysen. He looked pretty good from the bit I saw – tackled fearlessly and kicked pretty well for field position.

  • Comment 16, posted at 08.02.11 12:13:42 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Well time will tell what is better for kzn rugby ,the problem is then that if the club rugby is weakend by varsity cup in kzn we may loose alot of players and as a resuly income for the union.
    Any way cheers guys have a good day

  • Comment 17, posted at 08.02.11 12:14:07 by Talent Reply
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  • Maybe this is the reason why we dont have a team in the Varsity Cup. Just not good enough, I wonder who’ll win, UKZN or NMMU?

  • Comment 18, posted at 08.02.11 12:16:08 by Jarson (AddicteD) Reply
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  • @Jarson (AddicteD) (Comment 18) : NMMU, hands down.

    If the Impi aren’t good enough to beat the other tams in the Varsity Shield, I doubt they’s win a promotion match.

  • Comment 19, posted at 08.02.11 12:42:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 16) : he was a real star here, but then again, Sevenoaks RFC is hardly the big leagues

  • Comment 20, posted at 08.02.11 12:43:12 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 20) : Sevenoaks? I thought you guys were playing for Saracens reserves. 😉

  • Comment 21, posted at 08.02.11 12:45:38 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • I must be honest, this is exactly what I feared would happen. The Academy is playing no meaningful role whatsoever in the UKZN setup and it’s hardly surprising that they’re struggling as a result. There’s obviously a problem to overcome due to the Academy’s close links with Varsity College/UNISA but surely somebody could think out of the box here to come up with a solution?

  • Comment 22, posted at 08.02.11 12:45:59 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 21) : well, yes, but there are a LOT of other reserves too!

  • Comment 23, posted at 08.02.11 12:46:28 by robdylan Reply
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  • How ironic that we have a club side like rovers that beat maties vc champs and they can’t even play in the vc shield or a sharks academy side that gave wits a 78-6 hiding a few years back but they also can’t play coz they part of varsity college and not ukzn,natal rugby union has got to save some face and get involved before this gets even worse,no natal rugby side should lose like this even craven week sides perform better,think they better catch a wake up because the university side can’t do it alone they need help,now if that means striking a deal with varsity college and ukzn than so be it,some can go to varsity college and some to ukzn and the sharks academy that is in pmb fact is somethings gotta be done to help these fellows

  • Comment 24, posted at 08.02.11 13:04:58 by Poisy Reply
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  • Before we start judging the results of UKZN we need to remember a few things:
    The team is made up of – PMB campus (usually bottom 3 of premier league)and Howard College (average team in 1st div).
    The varsity does not offer the same monetary incentives as the likes of UCT/Tuks/Maties etc.
    The Sharks academy students all go to Varsity College and not the University.
    So based on what they have I think they doing ok and will only get better.

  • Comment 25, posted at 08.02.11 13:07:10 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @Poisy (Comment 24) : @SheldonK (Comment 25) : two radically different approaches here. Poisy reckons the Unions must step in, Sheldon reckons we must give UKZN time to develop on their own.

    I’m with Poisy

  • Comment 26, posted at 08.02.11 13:10:23 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 26) :

    And I am with you.

    @SheldonK (Comment 25) :

    Here is the problem.

    The Varsity Cup (when you qualify for it) offers KZN and KZN Uni based players not only with a platform (Varsity Cup) where funds, sponsorship and exposure are guarranteed, but also a level of competition (and naturally coaching) currently not found through either the Academy (as it stands now) or the Uni (languishing in the Shield section).

    The aim for the union, and region, is to have representation nationally in a very (commercially) successful Varsity Cup competition.

    You have two institutions (Uni and Academy) who are both struggling or average and not at the level of a Maties or Tukkies or UCT. Staying seperated and not working together will leave you there – combining resources might get you there (to their level).

  • Comment 27, posted at 08.02.11 13:14:45 by Morné Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 26) : dankie 😉 I mean if we let the varsity develop themselves than how many players will we lose be it club rugby or sharks academy players to other varsity’s before they get it right!! Vc shield could be instrumental in getting academy players game time and exposia

  • Comment 28, posted at 08.02.11 13:20:35 by Poisy Reply
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  • the biggest issue I see is that Varsity Cup exposure is INCREDIBLY attractive to young players. You’re far more likely to get into a decent Currie Cup side through the Varsity Cup than through the Vodacom Cup, which nobody watches.

    We already saw how many players in yesterday’s games have left the Sharks setup because they wanted that exposure. We are going to find it more and more difficult to lure promising players to Durban and the Academy if we can’t offer Varsity Cup rugby in the region

  • Comment 29, posted at 08.02.11 13:27:01 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 29) :

    Exactly mate.

    Now convince the boys at the KZNRU

  • Comment 30, posted at 08.02.11 13:29:18 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 30) : sigh… you credit me with powers I don’t have.

    But I’m going to try. No disrespect meant to the current Impi squad and coaches, but we could do so much better

  • Comment 31, posted at 08.02.11 13:31:40 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 30) : agreed

  • Comment 32, posted at 08.02.11 13:32:39 by Poisy Reply
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  • I will see what I can do

  • Comment 33, posted at 08.02.11 13:33:36 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 31) :

    Not at all, but at least equip them to go out and compete against the big boys.

    The exposure and experience their players AND coaches will gain from this will be immense, and serve them and the whole region and union well in future.

    Languishing in the Shield section, does no-one any favours.

  • Comment 34, posted at 08.02.11 13:35:52 by Morné Reply
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  • What I can’t understand here is how could KZNRU let this happen in the first place? Surely by now someone should have stepped up and say we need to work on this. Look at maties as an example. Surely they should do something soon.

  • Comment 35, posted at 08.02.11 13:36:50 by Ben Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 34) : I’m not sure how to get around the Academy-Varsity College-UNISA links, though.

    Surely you can’t expect the Sharks Academy students to all ditch their UNISA studies and all go register at UKZN?

  • Comment 36, posted at 08.02.11 13:40:06 by robdylan Reply
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  • I mean for pete’s sake PE has a team in th varsity cup, so how hard can it be? 🙂

  • Comment 37, posted at 08.02.11 13:43:48 by Ben Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 36) :

    Look it is not going to happen overnight, but if Tukkies can recruit players that ran out for Ikeys last year then I am sure the ‘students’ and their ‘studies’ are the least problematic areas of concern to sort out.

  • Comment 38, posted at 08.02.11 13:44:55 by Morné Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 37) : LOL 🙂

  • Comment 39, posted at 08.02.11 13:52:06 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 36) :

    I am looking for a new challenge, I will run the project for them in 2012 – you want to join me?

  • Comment 40, posted at 08.02.11 13:56:50 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 40) : ja, why not? Could be a blast

  • Comment 41, posted at 08.02.11 14:13:44 by robdylan Reply
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  • Lets be realistic for a second, the academy and varsity sides are never gonna to join- not a chance! The commercial relationship between varsity college and the sharks academy is too strong.
    So until the varisty itself or the union pumps money into the varisty and not the academy- again unlikely, Varsity will not be as strong at UCT,TuksMaties etc.
    So as an alternative…what about a Varsity College side to compete in the Varsity Shield and try earn promotion… maybe soon! 😉

  • Comment 42, posted at 08.02.11 14:29:11 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 42) :

    The union needs to be realistic.

    Where will they benefit most from?

    An Academy as it currently stands?

    Or a Varsity team competing in the Varsity Cup?

  • Comment 43, posted at 08.02.11 14:30:50 by Morné Reply
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  • how did UKZN qualify for the shield???

  • Comment 44, posted at 08.02.11 17:08:29 by ruggabugga Reply

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  • Having club rugby is healthy for this province we cant do without it .Looking at the big picture now ,what is the point really of the varsity shield, will it serve the sharks better to have a sucesfull team in it ? I doubt it ,the sharks academy has produced alot of talent over the years that have become springboks .If we look at it from a purpose point of view the existing setup is doing fine as it is, look at guys like charl mcleod who did not even play craven week who have now made a name for themselves through the sharks ,others like the beast (and a few others) have done the same. I think it will ultimately depend on which will produce more money for the union, the many clubs in kzn (with up to 200 players each -1st devison and second devision sides ) or a sucesfull side in the varsity cup . I still hope that the varsity cup shield kzn side improves as i am sure they will

  • Comment 45, posted at 08.02.11 18:01:21 by Talent Reply
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  • @ruggabugga (Comment 44) : by default…

  • Comment 46, posted at 08.02.11 18:16:49 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 45) : doesn’t it worry you, though, that half of the Rovers team that won club champs last year has buggered off to join Tukkies and ultimately the Bulls? They wouldn’t have done that if it weren’t for the Varsity Cup

  • Comment 47, posted at 08.02.11 18:18:16 by robdylan Reply
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  • The problem is wayyy deeper than this. I say 60% of players want to do something is commerce at varsity. Now UKZN durban/westville was made for the previously disadvantaged back in 60’s so its pretty run down. After the merger between Howard and Westville, most talented rugby players either went to varsity College or to other provinces to study. Another problem is that if say UCT offered me to something to play for them and study there, I would be there in a Jiffy. Same with players. I’m afraid to say this but I don’t ever see Impi being good unless they do something drastic

  • Comment 48, posted at 08.02.11 19:53:07 by Mocho Reply

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  • Its not good enough that we’re the only big 5 union without a team in the Varsity Cup. Rovers win the club champs beating all en sundry proving that there are talented players in KZN and then UKZN struggle. Part of the problem here is that the Varsity is based in PMB instead of Durban. It could be very good for PMB rugby if they sort it out though.Pmb has an academy which produces decent players but not up to Maties, UCT standards as anyone with a real shot of making the sharks will go to the durban academy instead, as far as i know these players are divided equally between PMB collegians and varsity. There are some really good players playing for PMB collegians instead of the IMPI which would walk into the team, so maybe they should first start recruiting their instead.

  • Comment 49, posted at 09.02.11 01:34:31 by RuckingFun Reply

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