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Sevens is becoming the future of rugby


Written by Morné Nortier (Morné)

Posted in :Original Content, Sevens on 14 Feb 2011 at 11:03
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For a person who is not a particular fan of the code, I have to concede that Sevens rugby is getting something right.

I have never been a fan of the compressed or shorter versions of any sporting code. In my view, nothing compares to test cricket, with the 50-over version somewhat exciting, but ultimately too much reliant on luck rather than skill, and the 20-over version even worse.

The technical intricacies that comes with test match cricket and test matches, or 15-man rugby is the thing that always appealed to me, but as most will tell you, these days, it’s about the product and its appeal to the public that counts.

The IRB in a recent conference they hosted invited a number of guests from other sporting codes, most noticeably NFL or American Football, to help plot the way forward to ensure rugby’s survival in the 15-man form in making it appealing to the general public and filling stadiums.

What struck me about this conference most was one comment by one of the guests where he mentioned that rugby will continue to struggle until the relevant authorities and administrators realise that supporters going to the stadium wants to be entertained. The type of entertainment he eluded to was obviously more than just the on-field entertainment or that provided by the players during the match.

Now the traditionalist (like myself) will cringe at the idea that rugby needs to be turned into some sort of rock concert in order to survive or compete for supporters and viewers attention against other codes, but the constant reference to dwindling numbers in competitions like Super rugby even, suggests this is a very real problem.

Locally there is also cause for concern. Apart from the Stormers and the Bulls very few unions manage to fill their stadiums to 80% capacity for matches, with some averaging in the low 20 and 30% per season!

Reasons for the drop in numbers vary, but mainly include the economic climate or that there is an overkill in sporting events making the sporting calenders too busy. Whatever the reason, Rugby union has to realise that they have a product they need to sell and make appealing to the public, and Sevens may just have provided the roadmap for this.

Sevens by large is marketed as one massive party, and a festival of rugby, which by my personal observations attracts crowds who could not care less about the actual results on the day as long as they had a good time.

Even when looking at the results, Sevens has almost been designed (by default) that any team can win on any given day. In the first 4 Rounds of the current IRB Sevens World Series, there has been 3 different winners.

Compared to the atmosphere at one of our more successful unions (Stormers/WP) on game day where the entertainment inside the stadium is limited to a Public Service Announcer with his private CD collection trying to hype the crowd up over some ancient PA system and some girls (and now boys) dancing on the field so terribly out of synch with the music if you sit more than 50 meters away, it is no surprise that people would rather stay at home using their R200 which they would have had to fork out just on a single ticket and invite friends over for a braai by the pool.

I am not a fan of Sevens, but given the choice of attending a union event or a Sevens event on any given day, I know where I will end up.

If rugby union is looking for a hint at solving their numbers problem, they should perhaps afford a peek across to their hind-tit sucking cousins who given the current trends, will even eclipse traditional union when it comes to its appeal to paying audiences.


83 Comments

  • Just LOVE this game !!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 1, posted at 14.02.11 11:17:13 by Charlie Reply
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  • was awesome the way branco du preez and cecil afrika tackled those big fijians!

  • Comment 2, posted at 14.02.11 11:29:57 by bergshark Reply
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  • I suspect union would be a lot more successful if the rules were easier to understand. That’s the number one criticism I hear from non-union fans. Question is how much would it take away from the game if there rules we made simpler.

  • Comment 3, posted at 14.02.11 11:30:18 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Sevens is ok,but it becomes overkill and boring.
    And I watch plenty of NFL and it is much less entertaining for me then rugby.

  • Comment 4, posted at 14.02.11 11:30:49 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • This is being pedantic, but shouldn’t the title read Sevens *Is* Becoming The Future Of Rugby?

  • Comment 5, posted at 14.02.11 11:31:48 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 3) : Let’s look at some simplified games… NFL… rugby league… I think I just threw up in my mouth a little…

  • Comment 6, posted at 14.02.11 11:33:11 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Honey Badger (Comment 4) : 100% agreed on this. I’m a Packers fan and I’m still way more excited about the Sharks winning the Currie Cup last year. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 7, posted at 14.02.11 11:34:42 by vanmartin Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 5) : I agree with you…. I’m sure Morne won’t mind :mrgreen:

  • Comment 8, posted at 14.02.11 11:35:39 by robdylan Reply
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  • @vanmartin (Comment 7) : Raiders fan,probably why they are also black and white.

  • Comment 9, posted at 14.02.11 11:36:04 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • @Culling Song (Comment 6) : True

  • Comment 10, posted at 14.02.11 11:36:37 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Sorry Morne` I dont agree! Dwindling crowds at rugby union stadia has more to do with lack of safe parking facilities, overpricing of tickets and all goods inside the stadia, increased aggressive policing by over zealous police who see rugby crowds as meaningful sources of revenue(read bribery) and the days when one could ‘have a few’ and get home in one piece are long gone. today planning needs to go into an away party that requires travel .Too easy to sit at home and watch it on HD. Maybe delayed transmissions in home provinces may help coupled with more reasonable ticket prices. We used to drive over 100km every home game, sleep over in durbs and attend mini rugby on Sunday before heading back to the farm.

  • Comment 11, posted at 14.02.11 11:36:43 by Caratacus Reply

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  • Sorry Morne` I dont agree! Dwindling crowds at rugby union stadia has more to do with lack of safe parking facilities, overpricing of tickets and all goods inside the stadia, increased aggressive policing by over zealous police who see rugby crowds as meaningful sources of revenue(read bribery) and the days when one could ‘have a few’ and get home in one piece are long gone. today planning needs to go into an away party that requires travel .Too easy to sit at home and watch it on HD. Maybe delayed transmissions in home provinces may help coupled with more reasonable ticket prices. We used to drive over 100km one way every home game, sleep over in durbs and attend mini rugby on Sunday before heading back to the farm. 😉 😉

  • Comment 12, posted at 14.02.11 11:38:03 by Caratacus Reply

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  • Interesting article, Morne. As always!
    I think the relevant unions need to engage more with their fans outside of match days and not just take it for granted that they are going to shell out the readies and pitch up on a Friday night or Saturday afternoon.
    People like to have a sense of belonging to something, and, without wishing to sound biased, I think you need to add the Sharks to the Stormers and the Bulls as perhaps one of the most successful “crowd engagers” throughout the season. They have learned that supporters want to feel involved in the team, to be “part of the family”. As a result, I have never been to Kings Park and not found it brimming with supporters personally invested in the wellbeing of their team.
    The Lions have had a tough time over the last few years, which also accounts for the drop in numbers at Ellis Park. That venue is also notoriously difficult in terms of access, which detracts from the joy of attending matches.
    If unions want bums on seats, they need to understand exactly which bums they are targetting and make contact with them, not just at the start of the season, but all the way through it.
    They need to make it as easy as possible to get to the stadia, afford refreshments (which can be ridiculously over priced), enjoy a good afternoon/evening out and get home safely. This means working closely with local authorities, security services and the local police, as well as residents and businesses in the area affected by influxes of large crowds on match days.
    Personally, I agree with you when it comes to having “added attractions” on match days, but as much as I am loathed to say it, putting the likes of Steve Hofmeyr and Kurt Darren on as a warm-ups for the Bulls pulls crowds in early. The Bulls know their support base and play to them all the time. That’s a lesson other unions which are not doing so well in the numbers game need to learn.

  • Comment 13, posted at 14.02.11 11:38:50 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @Honey Badger (Comment 4) : By the way, I thought about your love of the badger and can recommend a book to you: it’s by a lady called Bookey Peek and is called “Raising Hell”. It’s the story of how she hand-reared an orphaned honey badger.

  • Comment 14, posted at 14.02.11 11:48:34 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 5) : @robdylan (Comment 8) :

    Thanks.

    @Caratacus (Comment 12) :

    That is the dynamic I am highlighting. To go out and watch rugby has become more of a mission than anything else, throw in the issues with parking, security, and being ripped off for what essentially is only 80 minutes of on-field entertainment, and rugby union is getting it wrong.

    @SharonvanWyk (Comment 13) :

    Correct, in no way am I suggesting rugby should copy NFL or Sevens, but they need to realise very quickly it is all about the total product, and Sevens in my view got this spot on.

  • Comment 15, posted at 14.02.11 11:52:57 by Morné Reply
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  • As much fun as sevens appears to be I will take a match up between the Sharks and any SuperRugby team and most CC teams over a sevens world event.

    Its just not rugby, (to me).

  • Comment 16, posted at 14.02.11 11:53:32 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 16) : I probably agree. But isn’t sevens doing what ODIs and 20-20 cricket did by opening up the potential of the game to people who had never considered it interesting or fun before?

  • Comment 17, posted at 14.02.11 11:57:21 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 16) : I HATE test cricket, but love the one-day and shortened game.

  • Comment 18, posted at 14.02.11 11:58:14 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 17) :

    Morne is spot on with the article. Rugby crowds do appear to be dwindling while the sevens circuit grows. Over the weekend at the Vegas sevens the commentators mentioned it a few times how the crowds were much bigger than the previous year.

    To me a good day of rugby would be taking in a curtain raiser, maybe 2 and a headline game. Generally the under 19s and under 21s play some great rugby but sadly its normally in front of a few hundred people. Sadly as soon as the final whistle goes and the main game preparations begin the crowd starts to swell for the “real” rugby

  • Comment 19, posted at 14.02.11 12:10:44 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 18) :
    Test cricket can be the greatest sporting match up possible. One day and 20 over cricket is pure razzmatazz entertainment. I enjoy them all.

  • Comment 20, posted at 14.02.11 12:15:54 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • I like Sevens but blink and you miss it, I’m lucky to catch on Springbok game per tournament.

  • Comment 21, posted at 14.02.11 12:19:21 by Jarson (AddicteD) Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 17) :
    Sorry on second reading of your question I see that I totally misread it. Yes 7s is doing what one dayers and 20/20 has done to teat cricket. Interestingly domestic one day competitions are not well supported anymore since the advent of 20/20 cricket and even the 20/20 crowds seem to be on the decline.

  • Comment 22, posted at 14.02.11 12:22:03 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Great article. Enjoyed the analysis of the entertainment needed to make the game an enjoyable event.

    If you want more viewers, you need to have a great product and the commentators who won’t bore the living crap out of the people at home. This would of course, mean that Supersport can’t simply pull old players into the studio and say have at it. The majority of the time, I think the game might be more exciting if I pressed mute on the TV and put on a CD while watching the game because listening to Snow Patrol can be as informative as Bladsey on occasion.

    It’s also the entertainment at the stadium. Half-time usually means skydivers. YEEEHHAAA!!! Take a look at the Superbowl, they had Christina Aguilera mess up the anthem before the game, decent halftime entertainment, other than simply a bunch of dancers (males and females) gyrating in the middle of the field and legendary commentators. Half-time for the Superbowl also means companies launching new ads and most of the USA switch their tvs onto the Superbowl just so they can see Ozzy Osbourne insult Biebier in a Best Buy ad.

    If I was SANZAR and wanted to improve the product, I’d have the big heads sent over to experience a game from the crowd for any major sporting event in the US, be it NHL, NFL or NBA. Then throw them into the normal stands at a Superugby game. They’ll immediately pick up the difference.

    Start looking at what’s working for the NFL and that and what’s missing in our local game/broadcast before watering the Superugby competition with more teams.

    Sorry, not really about 7s but it was on my mind.

  • Comment 23, posted at 14.02.11 12:33:32 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 2) : Well about a year ago I recall many making fun of them not being able to do so, HUMBLE PIE served for lunch 😆

  • Comment 24, posted at 14.02.11 12:40:32 by Charlie Reply

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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 14) : Thanks,will def look it up 🙂

  • Comment 25, posted at 14.02.11 13:40:01 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 23) :

    Pretty much spot on. Year after year the following and numbers in Sevens are growing, and dwindinlin in union.

    Never should one copy Sevens, that would be absurd, rather the point is rugby union should look at the total product offering and improve that as Sevens managed to do.

    If not, union will become as significant as test cricket next to Sevens.

  • Comment 26, posted at 14.02.11 15:15:22 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 26) : Sevens is an exciting game and if I have any complaint it’s only that it’s over so quickly.

    I’ve been to a few sporting events, none of them major playoffs or anything and the entertainment and vibe in the stadiums were better than what I experienced in a CC Final.

  • Comment 27, posted at 14.02.11 15:50:18 by Butchie34 Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 27) : Don’t you find it amazing that we can pull out all the stops for something like the soccer world cup opening ceremony etc, but that we just take it for granted that rugby fans want Afrikaans singers and lame dancers, together with Now! CDs from the 80s as a pre-game warm-up?
    You are dead right, we need some fresh ideas as far as getting bums on seats is concerned. A bit of thinking out of the box is needed.

  • Comment 28, posted at 14.02.11 18:01:36 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • Nice article Morne.

    I appreciate Sevens for what it is – a good bit of entertainment and an excuse to spend a day in the sun watching rugby and drinking too much beer with a few mates.
    But I dont take it seriously, just as I dont take T20 cricket any more seriously than the games we used to play in the road with a bin for wickets when I was a kid.

    Something nobody has mentioned is that Sevens is more a summer sport and mostly played in glorious summer. Explains a wee bit as to why its so popular. This, along with the fact that they play in places like Hong Kong, Dubai and Vegas, certainly pull in the expat punters.

  • Comment 29, posted at 14.02.11 18:21:30 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • I think its a matter of opinion. Me myself would much rather go watch the 15 man game than the sevens as for me its more entertaining. Plus with sevens you fill the stadium for 2 days and that’s that it moves along to another country so I can’t see the issue in money here.

  • Comment 30, posted at 14.02.11 18:27:09 by Ben Reply
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  • I agree with Vinnie.

    It’s an awesome day out but not much more than that.

    Until we see the big names playing 7s it will always suck the hindtit. Up and comings are exciting but not nearly as exciting as big names.

  • Comment 31, posted at 14.02.11 18:29:39 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • there is an argument for sorting out the laws of Union once and for all, in the interests of the game being a little more easily understood by outsiders…

  • Comment 32, posted at 14.02.11 18:31:11 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 32) : Really can’t see how the laws are hard to understand the way they are now?

  • Comment 33, posted at 14.02.11 18:37:37 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 33) : yes, but you know the game.

    Try explaining the breakdown laws to somebody who’s never seen a rugby game.

  • Comment 34, posted at 14.02.11 18:44:03 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 34) : Haha yeah that part could be tricky.

  • Comment 35, posted at 14.02.11 18:54:44 by Ben Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 34) : But then again I can’t see how they can make it any simpler rugby is what it is. But if they find away I hope they give a memo to the refs! 🙂

  • Comment 36, posted at 14.02.11 19:04:19 by Ben Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 34) :

    Why should I care if an outsider doesnt understand?
    Chances are he wont follow the game over the long-term anyway.

    I wish the powers-that-be would concentrate on the game’s current fans instead of worrying about tomorrow’s fans.

  • Comment 37, posted at 14.02.11 19:40:05 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 37) :

    And just to add to this – an ‘outsider’ that really takes a fancy to the game will make the effort to figure out all these ‘difficult to understand’ rules.

  • Comment 38, posted at 14.02.11 19:41:34 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 37) : Problem is they aren’t attracting enough fans and they need to attract new people to get the stadiums filled.

  • Comment 39, posted at 14.02.11 19:47:55 by Ben Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 34) : true, but try explaining the holding rule in American Football. Supposedly no holding is allowed, but you are allowed to hold onto an opponents jersey as long as your grip is inside the plane of the body, in other words, you can grab the front of the jersey, but you can not grab the jersey on the sides. If you grab the front of the jersey and drive the opponent back and onto their back, landing on top of them, that is legal, but if you grab the jersey in the same place and fall over backwards pulling them on top of you, that is holding and illegal. Of course this is in the act of blocking someone that is not carrying the ball, the tackle rule is different again. And believe me, there are plenty of American Football fans that watch games every week, but still do not understand the rules. So as far as American Football is concerned, a knowledge and understanding of the rules is not required to be a fan.

  • Comment 40, posted at 14.02.11 19:51:38 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • I don’t think that fully understanding the breakdown laws is a prerequisite to enjoying watching a game of rugby.

  • Comment 41, posted at 14.02.11 19:53:54 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 40) : You are correct as there are rugby fans (mostly bulls) who don’t understand the rules. 🙂

  • Comment 42, posted at 14.02.11 19:54:28 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 42) : 😆 point made, however if you ask them they will say they understand the laws, they just have no idea what it means to understand the laws! 😀

  • Comment 43, posted at 14.02.11 20:04:38 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • I think you have to have an understanding of the general laws of the game, not necessarily the details. If a person understands generally how the game of rugby union is played, they can certainly enjoy the contest without understanding the intricacies. Just my opinion.

    Let’s face it, even some of the most knowledgeable rugby fan does not understand the intricacies of scrummaging (the dark arts), but that does not stop them from enjoying and supporting the game. In fact, most referees do not understand the intricacies of scrummaging. 😉

  • Comment 44, posted at 14.02.11 20:07:34 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 43) : they’ll say they understand the laws and when you ask them to explain it they will answer you question with another question. “Why are you asking me don’t you know the rules?” 🙂

  • Comment 45, posted at 14.02.11 20:08:26 by Ben Reply
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  • The intentional grounding rule in American Football is another one that is next to impossible to understand.

  • Comment 46, posted at 14.02.11 20:09:23 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 45) : hehehe blou bulle!!!! 😉

  • Comment 47, posted at 14.02.11 20:11:00 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 47) : Did you watch the stormers boland game?

  • Comment 48, posted at 14.02.11 20:12:40 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 48) : No, I live in the USA, no coverage of warm up matches here 🙁

  • Comment 49, posted at 14.02.11 20:13:30 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 49) : O yeah I forgot. But kaplan made 2 very kak calls in that game

  • Comment 50, posted at 14.02.11 20:14:58 by Ben Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 49) : And the coverage of the USA 7s was absolutely awful. On Saturday they showed one England match, one SA match, one New Zealand match and one USA match, then on Sunday, they showed the SA/England semi, highlights from the New Zealand/Fiji semi, and then the Cup final, nothing else.

  • Comment 51, posted at 14.02.11 20:15:04 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 50) : hahaha, I went to school with Jonathan, actually he was 4 years younger than me, I was in the same class as his sister.

  • Comment 52, posted at 14.02.11 20:15:58 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Both Jonathan and I had a similar health concern as a baby, so his parents and mine became quite close.

  • Comment 53, posted at 14.02.11 20:17:16 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 50) : Were they scrum calls? Kaplan is a superb referee, generally, but his handling of the set scrums is not so great. I hate to say it but Dickheadson still does the best job of calling scrum infractions of any international referee, and believe it or not Steve Walsh is pretty good at that too.

  • Comment 54, posted at 14.02.11 20:21:37 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 54) : When he’s sober. 😉

  • Comment 55, posted at 14.02.11 20:22:10 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 55) : wink intentional 😆

  • Comment 56, posted at 14.02.11 20:22:38 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 52) : the one call, burger was tackled but wasn’t held and he got back up again and the ref penalised him. So he went to the ref and asked why so the ref said: “your knees touched the ground so that means you were tackled so you’re not allowed to get back up again.” So burger just shook he’s head and walked away because he wasn’t held in the tackle

  • Comment 57, posted at 14.02.11 20:23:59 by Ben Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 54) : the scrum calls went like this. Crouch touch pause hip! I kid you not

  • Comment 58, posted at 14.02.11 20:26:35 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 57) : Devil’s advocate. If his knee touched the ground after the tackle, and the tackler was still in contact with him when his knee touched the ground, I have seen other refs say the player was down and held in the tackle.

  • Comment 59, posted at 14.02.11 20:29:19 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 58) : I think Old Jonathan Isaac is in semi retirement. He is old for an international referee. He just does not seem to care all that much anymore, I think he is somewhat jaded.

  • Comment 60, posted at 14.02.11 20:30:23 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 59) : but that’s the thing he ran into the tackler and loss his footing so he went to ground alone with no tackler near him and he got back up and was penalised!

  • Comment 61, posted at 14.02.11 20:32:42 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 61) : I was just playing devil’s advocate! 😉 Easy Ben…. 😆

  • Comment 62, posted at 14.02.11 20:34:53 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 60) : the commentators said something about that’s the way scrums are gonna be called from now on? So I don’t know.

  • Comment 63, posted at 14.02.11 20:35:57 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 61) : American Football definition…..Down by contact. In other words, if there is contact between two players and the ball carrier goes to ground, even if the tackler is nowhere nearby, the ball carrier is considered down by contact, same as a tackle.

  • Comment 64, posted at 14.02.11 20:36:08 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 63) : What? Using the word “hit” instead of “engage”?

  • Comment 65, posted at 14.02.11 20:36:49 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 64) : I’m not saying he wasn’t tackled I know he was. I’m saying he should have been allowed to get back up as he wasn’t held. I know you’re just playing.

  • Comment 66, posted at 14.02.11 20:38:28 by Ben Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 65) : Actually, I can see the advantage of using a one syllable word instead of engage. The problem with engage is can you engage on “en” or do you have to wait until the referee has said the entire word. I think it is probably different from referee to referee, so a one syllable word would make it more consistent in my opinion.

  • Comment 67, posted at 14.02.11 20:39:06 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 65) : No HIP!

  • Comment 68, posted at 14.02.11 20:39:18 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 66) : Ben, I have to be honest, I saw the same thing in a 6 Nations match I watched last week. Player went to ground from a hit with nobody around him and no contact with an opposing player, he got up to run, and the referee called him back saying he was tackled and should have released the ball.

  • Comment 69, posted at 14.02.11 20:40:27 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 68) : You sure Ben? 😉 Hip sounds like Hit. 😆 Either way, I do think a one syllable word is a better choice. Like I said, I have seen teams engage on the “en” and some referees let it go, while others say they engaged early, and the players should wait until he has finished saying engage.

  • Comment 70, posted at 14.02.11 20:41:55 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 69) : But the rules say otherwise.

  • Comment 71, posted at 14.02.11 20:43:52 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 71) : I agree, I was surprised to see it myself, just pointing out what I saw, not disagreeing with you at all.

  • Comment 72, posted at 14.02.11 20:45:03 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 71) : Actually the rules do not say otherwise, but the laws do. 😉

  • Comment 73, posted at 14.02.11 20:45:34 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 70) : Yes I agree with you a one syllable word would be much better. Well it really sounded like hip to me.

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  • @Ben (Comment 74) : I dunno Ben, I wasn’t able to hear it, so honestly my argument has absolutely no foundation. If you say “hip” I have nothing to back up an argument against you. 😉

  • Comment 75, posted at 14.02.11 20:47:20 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 73) : Thanks for setting that one straight! 🙂

  • Comment 76, posted at 14.02.11 20:47:43 by Ben Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 75) : It just seems to me that “hit” would make more sense than “hip”.

  • Comment 77, posted at 14.02.11 20:48:01 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 75) : But hit does sound more fitting but sounded like hip.

  • Comment 78, posted at 14.02.11 20:49:24 by Ben Reply
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  • Alright Ben, I have to get going, need to go home and start packing. Will be leaving for warm and sunny Florida on Wednesday, for 8 days of yacht racing out of 10. I need the break from winter right now.

  • Comment 79, posted at 14.02.11 20:49:52 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 77) : Correct. 😉

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  • @Ben (Comment 78) : Jonathan is quite the joker, perhaps he was trying to be funny. 😉 His facebook status is always some joke.

  • Comment 81, posted at 14.02.11 20:51:10 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 79) : Good luck bro.

  • Comment 82, posted at 14.02.11 20:52:41 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 82) : Thanks Ben….cheers!

  • Comment 83, posted at 14.02.11 20:53:02 by Dancing Bear Reply
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