Could Sharks-Saders game be moved to London?

Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 9 Mar 2011 at 09:59
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We’ve heard this rumour from enough sources now that there must be some shred of truth to it. The talk is that the Crusaders have approached the Sharks about the possibility of moving their 26 March fixture to Twickenham in London, after the recent earthquake in Christchurch rendered the AMI Stadium unusable.

The Crusaders Union have been avoiding planning too far in advance after the tragedy, opting to play their first two post-quake home games in Nelson. That stadium is far too small to be a permanent base for them, though, as the diminished gate takings will hit them hard at a time when they need funds more than most. A speculative story appeared on Sky Sports a few days ago suggesting that the English RFU has approached the New Zealanders about the prospect of hosting a Crusaders home game in London, thus appealing to the large expat rugby following in the UK as well as offering a number of great fund-raising opportunities.

That article suggested, though, that both parties were in the very early stages of discussion and that any agreement would be quite far off, with many logistical challenges to overcome first.

Talk continues to do do the rounds, though, that the Crusaders want to play the Sharks at Twickenham in just over two weeks’ time. Our information is that a final decision will be taken on Friday, with the ball understood to be in the Sharks’ court at this stage.

I’ve got fingers firmly crossed, needless to say. More on this as we get it.


  • Sorry to be negative right off the bat, but it will never happen.

  • Comment 1, posted at 09.03.11 10:02:16 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • @ Rob, get the media accrediation on the roll… :mrgreen:

  • Comment 2, posted at 09.03.11 10:02:55 by Charlie Reply
  • Boy oh Boy oh Boy I hope this happens , as i live in the Uk now and have not seen a live Sharks game since i was a lightie back in around ’84. I’d be the first to get a ticket if it were to go ahead 😀 😆 Please make it happen , Pleasssssssssse 😈

  • Comment 3, posted at 09.03.11 10:05:44 by SharkyTaylor Reply
  • If they can turn a 2000 seat stadium into a 25000 seat stadium with scaffolding at the Dubai 7s, why can’t they do that is Christchurch?

  • Comment 4, posted at 09.03.11 10:06:32 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • They will surely raise a lot of money if the stadium is a sell out. Pounds baby.

  • Comment 5, posted at 09.03.11 10:07:01 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 5) : Definitely won’t be a sell out. They’d do well to fill half the stadium, assuming it’s HQ of course.

  • Comment 6, posted at 09.03.11 10:09:01 by McLovin Reply

  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 1) : At this stage I have to agree.

    Also seems like there’s plenty of options to play in NZ and Aus.

  • Comment 7, posted at 09.03.11 10:10:49 by McLovin Reply

  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 4) :

    Novel idea but I reckon resourses and manpower are all flat out busy repairing CHCH ..

  • Comment 8, posted at 09.03.11 10:11:56 by CoffeeshopBok;-) Reply

  • I`d propose a more neutral venue like the Moses Mabhida stadium! 👿

  • Comment 9, posted at 09.03.11 10:13:42 by Original Champion Reply
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  • Sharks vs crusaders
    Date:26March 2011
    Venue: Twickenham

  • Comment 10, posted at 09.03.11 10:14:20 by bergshark Reply

  • I dont like this idea.

  • Comment 11, posted at 09.03.11 10:14:30 by Ice Reply
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  • If they don’t play in Christchurch, surely they will play in Nelson 😕

  • Comment 12, posted at 09.03.11 10:14:31 by war1 Reply
  • The carrot here is to raise money for the relief effort and essentially the Sharks would just be helping out.

    Have to add its most probably the only SA franchise that could get serious bums on seats ..

    Bulls supporters over there are all slumming it in Earls Court and saving money for the next big rave :mrgreen:

  • Comment 13, posted at 09.03.11 10:14:50 by CoffeeshopBok;-) Reply

  • I think this will be huge, not just the ex-pat Sharks and Crusaders supporters, but i think there will be a lot of Saffa’s, Kiwi’s and Aussies out there in support.

  • Comment 14, posted at 09.03.11 10:16:52 by Tintin Reply

  • This was on NZ tv this morning. They seem serious about it.

  • Comment 15, posted at 09.03.11 10:18:18 by MysticShark Reply
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  • Yeah I think they could make it happen if they want to badly enough.

  • Comment 16, posted at 09.03.11 10:20:09 by Ben Reply
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  • I like the idea!

  • Comment 17, posted at 09.03.11 10:21:09 by Crock Reply

  • @MysticShark (Comment 15) : oh was it indeed? Very interesting.

    I have heard via media contacts that they are awaiting an answer on Friday.

    I reckon Plum and the team will sit down and discuss this after the Rebels game and make a team decision.

  • Comment 18, posted at 09.03.11 10:22:29 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Crock (Comment 17) : me too, for purely selfish reasons 🙂

  • Comment 19, posted at 09.03.11 10:24:15 by robdylan Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 1) : i think it will. it benefits the sharks a lot so they will seriously consider it. word is that if they beat the rebels they will take up the offer.

  • Comment 20, posted at 09.03.11 10:27:19 by try time Reply

  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 4) : who cares, why not play the crusaders on neutral ground and do a good thing at the same time.

  • Comment 21, posted at 09.03.11 10:28:31 by try time Reply

  • reasons to say yes.
    -sharks have an extra day to recover before game
    -sharks and crusaders travel so both teams equally disadvantaged
    -sharks only have an overnight flight back to sa so have more time to prepare for the stormers
    -it is on a neutral ground so no team is advantaged
    -weather could be bad in london, which will help the sharks forward based game
    -it will be a good advert for super rugby
    -it is for a good cause
    -damn it will be great to do something different
    -it gives the crusaders extra time in sa to prepare to beat the bulls, which will help the sharks a lot.

  • Comment 22, posted at 09.03.11 10:32:05 by try time Reply

  • I kinda like the idea 😎

  • Comment 23, posted at 09.03.11 10:33:39 by Jarson (AddicteD) Reply
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  • @Jarson (AddicteD) (Comment 23) : i really like the idea. 😆

  • Comment 24, posted at 09.03.11 10:39:40 by try time Reply

  • Isn’t the game scheduled for the Friday? If it’s moved to London and played on Saturday, doesn’t the fact that it’s a day later kind of negate the shorter distance home after the game?

  • Comment 25, posted at 09.03.11 10:40:02 by Greg Reply

  • @try time (Comment 22) : Sharks will not have an extra day to recover as we will play saders in NZ on friday or on saturday in Eng. So we get back home at the same time.

  • Comment 26, posted at 09.03.11 10:40:14 by Ben Reply
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  • I’m not too sure if I like it.

    Sure they get to come back early, but it might affect us negatively the next week against the Stormers after basically having to fly right around the world the week before (in terms of distance travelled and not literally).

    The conditions in the NH are not actually conducive to Superrugby and both teams would have to adapt their games to the conditions and it might not be that great a spectacle.

    I doubt it would be played at Twickenham, maybe they can organise it to be played at the Saracens ground, Vicarage ground, if they aren’t using it of course.

    But if I were the Crusaders, I’d rather have it played in New Zealand than in another country.

  • Comment 27, posted at 09.03.11 10:41:55 by Butchie34 Reply
  • @Ben (Comment 26) : ok but after a lot less travelling. so the guys will be feeling better. still not going to disadvantage the sharks against the stormers.

  • Comment 28, posted at 09.03.11 10:43:16 by try time Reply

  • @Greg (Comment 25) : yes but getting from nelson to the airport, a whole lot of change overs and then home will as ben says will mean the sharks will arrive roughly the same time.

  • Comment 29, posted at 09.03.11 10:45:12 by try time Reply

  • @Butchie34 (Comment 27) : exactly, wetter conditions will suit the sharks more as it will limit the brutality of the saders backline.

  • Comment 30, posted at 09.03.11 10:46:06 by try time Reply

  • @Butchie34 (Comment 27) : the saders have to head to sa after the sharks game. so making some pounds for their family is better than trying to fleece more from there own residents. get some money from the kiwis overseas.

  • Comment 31, posted at 09.03.11 10:47:41 by try time Reply

  • @try time (Comment 29) : The kicker might be the fact that London is only +/- 2 hours behind SA, so there will be NO jetlag.

    @try time (Comment 30) : I don’t think it will matter much, because it will cut down our backline as well. I think we might have a bit of a stronger pack but it will still be tight.

  • Comment 32, posted at 09.03.11 10:48:50 by Butchie34 Reply
  • @Butchie34 (Comment 27) : Amen. Finally someone sees it like me. Would be totally crazy to fly to the otherside of the world to play this game. We settled in NZ from next week. Play Saders at Nelson then come home and get ready to face Stormers.

    We play Saders in London, we probably lose there and lose to Stormers here. We will be the most tired from all the teams. Sharks will have been on the road for awhile by that time.

    Anyhow said my say on this on the Bulls-Eye thread.

  • Comment 33, posted at 09.03.11 10:50:49 by Puma Reply

  • @try time (Comment 31) : The next week is their bye, so they would have to fly all the way back to NZ before coming back or they’ll stay in London or come down to SA.

    If they choose the latter, it’ll mean a 3 week tour and we all know the teams from NZ/Aus are softies and need to give their mommies a hug after 14 days, any longer and they need to go for serious psychological councilling.

  • Comment 34, posted at 09.03.11 10:51:08 by Butchie34 Reply
  • @Butchie34 (Comment 32) : no one said the game would be easy. 😆

    jetlag is minimal as you fly west. and you gain time in doing so. and both teams have to do the same.

  • Comment 35, posted at 09.03.11 10:52:06 by try time Reply

  • @try time (Comment 35) : According to some Blues whinges it was part of the reason they lost to us, that jetlag.

    But I am saying the jetlag (or lack thereof) coming back from London would be a positive for us.

  • Comment 36, posted at 09.03.11 10:53:13 by Butchie34 Reply
  • @Butchie34 (Comment 34) : we only need them to beat the bulls. so two weeks rest and training to do so works for me. 😆

  • Comment 37, posted at 09.03.11 10:53:50 by try time Reply

  • @Ben (Comment 5) : would like to see the odds on a possible Twickers sellout… 2 of the gr8 Super sides to give it a go in year backyard. Sure there will be many a Pommie lining up, never mind the ex-pats. I like!

  • Comment 38, posted at 09.03.11 10:54:36 by catfish Reply
  • @Butchie34 (Comment 36) : totally agree. i think this is a good idea as it is a great leveller and will put both teams on an even wicket.

  • Comment 39, posted at 09.03.11 10:54:52 by try time Reply

  • @try time (Comment 37) : I don’t think they need to beat the Bulls for us. I think we’re more than capable of beating the Bulls for ourselves (home and away) 😉

  • Comment 40, posted at 09.03.11 10:55:42 by Butchie34 Reply
  • @Butchie34 (Comment 40) : the more teams that beat the bulls, the happier i am. 😆

  • Comment 41, posted at 09.03.11 10:56:31 by try time Reply

  • @try time (Comment 31) :
    @Butchie34 (Comment 34) :
    Are you guys looking at a different schedule to me?
    Crusaders schedule:
    Week 6 home to sharks
    Week 7 bye
    Week 8 home to bulls
    week 9 away to chiefs
    week 10 home to highlanders
    week 11 away to force
    They only come to SA in week 12?

  • Comment 42, posted at 09.03.11 11:00:54 by Greg Reply

  • when i was in london the kiwis aussies and saffers would all get together at pubs to watch the s14 games. i am sure having the games on the doorstep will bring a large contingent of supporters.

  • Comment 43, posted at 09.03.11 11:03:13 by try time Reply

  • @Greg (Comment 42) : damn greg you are right. misread. still won’t effect them. they have a week to get back after the game. playing bulls at home will be even easier. so still happy if the game goes ahead.

  • Comment 44, posted at 09.03.11 11:05:48 by try time Reply

  • @Greg (Comment 42) : sorry, I read the schedule wrong and that they play the Bulls at Loftus, my bad.

  • Comment 45, posted at 09.03.11 11:07:04 by Butchie34 Reply
  • This is a ridiculous idea, which won’t benefit either team. It would make far more sense to play the game in Wellington or Auckland.

  • Comment 46, posted at 09.03.11 11:10:24 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @try time (Comment 43) : I remember that I [email protected]#sed of my neighbours when I was living in NYC in 2007. Found a website where I could download the games about 3 hours after the game.

    I downloaded the Sharks/Saders game they played in Durban but because of the delay, I could only watch the game at 2 in the morning. Started screaming my lungs out at the laptop when Odwa broke the line on our 22 to win the game at the death.

  • Comment 47, posted at 09.03.11 11:11:01 by Butchie34 Reply
  • i think the only real issue that could stop this game going ahead, if both teams agree to it, is television rights. the networks will have to arrange a lot behind the scenes. and the camerawork won’t be as good as what we currently get.

  • Comment 48, posted at 09.03.11 11:11:10 by try time Reply

  • I would agree to it with the following provisios,
    1. If these 2 teams meet again in the competition (semi or final) then the game is also played in the UK. and 2 if SA are to play the All B;acks in a world cup match at CHCH then that game also be played at the UK venue.

  • Comment 49, posted at 09.03.11 11:11:30 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 47) : 😆 neighbours are the to p$#$# off. 😆

  • Comment 50, posted at 09.03.11 11:12:34 by try time Reply

  • @try time (Comment 44) : It still means, though that they(crusaders) travel unnecessarily.
    week 5 dunedin
    week 6 nelson or london
    week 7
    week 8 nelson

    Moving the game means travelling to london and back, not moving it means they stay at home for three weeks before going to hamilton then home again

  • Comment 51, posted at 09.03.11 11:12:39 by Greg Reply

  • @try time (Comment 48) : It can’t be worse than what we get from Aus. They think we want to lookat the bench or the crowd when play is going on.

  • Comment 52, posted at 09.03.11 11:13:20 by Butchie34 Reply
  • @Greg (Comment 51) : it is their idea. it it works for us, who cares about them as they want it. 😆

  • Comment 53, posted at 09.03.11 11:13:44 by try time Reply

  • @Butchie34 (Comment 52) : or supersport focusing on that ugly guy strydom on the bulls bench after anything happens on the field. i think looking at strydom and listening to doffmeyer is the two most irritating things about games at poeftus. actually having joel “whiny” stransky and hugh “sloshed drawel” bladen commentating is the icing on the kak.

  • Comment 54, posted at 09.03.11 11:16:53 by try time Reply

  • @try time (Comment 48) : Also the timing off the game would pose problems.
    Current games on 26/3 SA time
    reds – cheetahs 06:40 – 08:40
    chiefs – blues 09:30 – 11:30
    brumbies – waratahs 11:40 – 13:40
    stormers – force 15: – 17:00
    bulls – lions 17:05 – 19:05

    When would this game be played witout a clash?

  • Comment 55, posted at 09.03.11 11:18:25 by Greg Reply

  • Play the game in CPT Stadium… 😈

  • Comment 56, posted at 09.03.11 11:31:06 by Charlie Reply

  • @Greg (Comment 55) : With the time delay, it could probably be played at 19h00 local time (in London), so it isn’t too late on that side. Because of the time difference, it would only be 21h00 in South Africa and at 09h00 Sunday Morning for NZ. It would actually fall into the slot perfectly.

  • Comment 57, posted at 09.03.11 11:32:00 by Butchie34 Reply
  • @try time (Comment 54) : Haha, someone who finally agrees with me. I hate our commentators.

    The NZ/Aus commentators might be biased but at least they’re mildly entertaining.

  • Comment 58, posted at 09.03.11 11:32:59 by Butchie34 Reply
  • Just thought I’d point out that we play the Chiefs on a Friday, while the corresponding Crusaders game is only on the Saturday. So we can actually travel to London 24 hours in advance of the Crusaders, giving us an additional day of recovery before we face them. And then we don’t have to deal with significant time zone changes before facing the Stormers. This could actually be a good move.

  • Comment 59, posted at 09.03.11 11:37:22 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 59) : 😉

  • Comment 60, posted at 09.03.11 11:42:26 by Charlie Reply

  • @Greg (Comment 55) : 19h00. so far there have been games in that time slot every weekend.

  • Comment 61, posted at 09.03.11 12:23:03 by try time Reply

  • @Culling Song (Comment 59) : that is what i said. this is a good idea.

  • Comment 62, posted at 09.03.11 12:28:04 by try time Reply

  • @try time (Comment 61) : 19:00 sa time is 17:00 in london. It could work, but I am not convinced it would be a good move, for all concerned.

  • Comment 63, posted at 09.03.11 12:31:40 by Greg Reply

  • @Greg (Comment 63) : If all concerned agree, what the heck ! 😆

  • Comment 64, posted at 09.03.11 12:34:59 by Charlie Reply

  • @Greg (Comment 63) : the only factor that could pose a problem is the extra travelling. but this effects both teams and won’t effect them after the game. i think the players will love the idea.

  • Comment 65, posted at 09.03.11 12:36:45 by try time Reply

  • @Charlie (Comment 64) : this definitely benifits the sharks more. and the saders get some dosh together to help get christchurch ready for their part in the rwc.

  • Comment 66, posted at 09.03.11 12:38:08 by try time Reply

  • If they do not play in nz they should play in durbs.

  • Comment 67, posted at 09.03.11 12:39:17 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • but i think the biggest reason to have this game, is rob. man the guy deserves to see a good game live. 😆

  • Comment 68, posted at 09.03.11 12:39:38 by try time Reply

  • @try time (Comment 66) : It goes both ways 😉

  • Comment 69, posted at 09.03.11 12:44:30 by Charlie Reply

  • oh and another reason to have it, is those that work on fridays will miss the game, but now they can catch it live. schweet. i am sold, where do i sign the referendum?

  • Comment 70, posted at 09.03.11 12:45:54 by try time Reply

  • @Charlie (Comment 69) : i think overall both teams benefit from this move. and super rugby does as it will be a good advert for the series in the nh.

  • Comment 71, posted at 09.03.11 12:47:36 by try time Reply

  • @try time (Comment 68) : eg-flippen-zacktly!

  • Comment 72, posted at 09.03.11 12:52:37 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Butchie34 (Comment 58) : i find them irritating. and this new guy that presented on saturday after the bulls highlanders game. what a prima donna!
    the cheezy grin, and the limited rugby knowledge. i had to change the channel fast.

  • Comment 73, posted at 09.03.11 12:54:01 by try time Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 72) : so you are also signing the referendum for having the game in london. great. ok who else is for the game say I, and those against, it is lunch time go and get something to eat. 😆

  • Comment 74, posted at 09.03.11 12:56:30 by try time Reply

  • @try time (Comment 74) : I’M IN !!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 75, posted at 09.03.11 13:06:58 by Charlie Reply

  • I’ll abstain from the voting process….I can’t make u my mind yet.

  • Comment 76, posted at 09.03.11 13:09:40 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Charlie (Comment 75) : told everyone the players would love the idea. 😆

  • Comment 77, posted at 09.03.11 13:11:56 by try time Reply

  • @try time (Comment 74) : Unfortunately, I was fortunate enough to miss him. I actually didn’t watch any rugby after the Sharks tore the Force a new one. I’d seen the best team, play – why watch the others trying to catch up 😉

  • Comment 78, posted at 09.03.11 14:09:04 by Butchie34 Reply
  • @Butchie34 (Comment 78) : 😆

  • Comment 79, posted at 09.03.11 14:36:49 by try time Reply

  • I would have thought there was a rule in the Super Rugby rule book that would govern this issue?

    IMO, if the hosting team can’t host the match (for whatever reason), then the right to host should be given to the visiting team, or at the least it should be the visting team’s choice as to where the game is played.

    I think playing at KING’s PARK would be most logical and the best for everyone… the stadium WILL be full, it limits the travelling of both teams (cos they’ll both already be in SA for the next weeks games), and The Sharks can agree to donate the profits to the Earthquake fund!

  • Comment 80, posted at 09.03.11 14:43:37 by CS Reply

  • My personal feeling is that sometimes people try to get too clever in solving problems, and in the end create more problems than were there in the first place… as in rugby, somtimes sticking to the basics is the best solution!

    Although playing in London might sound like a “romantic” idea, the fact is it creates way more logistical problems than have already been forced on everyone due to the quake… and instead of one or two parties being effected, now more and more people would be required to make concessions to accomodate this idea.

    My philosophy when solving problems is to remember this anogram: KISS

  • Comment 81, posted at 09.03.11 14:49:10 by CS Reply

  • @CS (Comment 81) : We need to get Rob a Live Super Rugby Game in UK, THIS IS IT !!!

  • Comment 82, posted at 09.03.11 15:02:19 by Charlie Reply

  • 😛 I live by Rugby Road, Twickenham, so I am 100% for the game to be played on my doorstep!! Call me selfish but it would be fantanabulous to have The Sharks here though they would have to wear something warm as the heat and humidity are strangers in this part of the world. Come to think of it so is the sun! And the turf is soggy though The Sharks will remember these conditions from when they used to play a warm-up game to their season against Harlequins just round the corner at The Stoop(correct spelling) not so long ago.
    I don’t see it happening as the logistics of staging it here are almost huge, but I can dream!

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  • Comment 84, posted at 09.03.11 15:23:46 by Ardent Shark Reply

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  • @CS (Comment 80) : no, you have missed the point. crusaders need to generate revenue. the issue isn’t that canterbury can’t find a ground to have the game, it is they cannot generate enough funds to cover the cost of their players and administration due to less ticket revenue. this will also impact the development of their stadium for the rwc. so the game is theirs to decide where to have it. if they want it in london they can have it as long as they don’t mess the television stations around and sanzar. sanzar has already ok’ed the idea. sharks are the only barrier and it happening. and the sharks won’t rush in without making sure that everyone is on board on their side.

  • Comment 85, posted at 09.03.11 15:31:19 by try time Reply

  • @CS (Comment 81) : i don’t see anything difficult in the move. travel arrangements can be made, even if a plane has to be hired for the 60 people. visas will get rushed through. twickenham has hosted a few rugby games. london has a few hotels. only problem might be getting television equipment to the ground.

  • Comment 86, posted at 09.03.11 15:34:32 by try time Reply

  • actually a whole plane can be hired out for the trip. this would also eliminate layovers as the plane would only need to stop to refuel. how many kiwi ceo’s would pay to get an exclusive ride with top international rugby players and watch a once in a lifetime game at twickenham. a good promotions guy could really make this trip work well.

  • Comment 87, posted at 09.03.11 15:40:19 by try time Reply

  • I’m In 😈 I’ll come sit with you in the stands Rob 😆 And if there’s no hotels , i’m sure us Uk Shark supporters will put the boys up at home 😀

  • Comment 88, posted at 09.03.11 15:41:27 by SharkyTaylor Reply

  • @try time (Comment 86) : Please let the game be televised. The Sharks have their bye shortly after the game, it would really suck if we had to go through two weeks so close to each other without a game to watch.

    It’ll be even worse not being able to watch the game unfold.

  • Comment 89, posted at 09.03.11 15:42:12 by Butchie34 Reply
  • damn someone in new zealand needs to get hold of me to borrow all my money making ideas. 😆

  • Comment 90, posted at 09.03.11 15:46:29 by try time Reply

  • @Butchie34 (Comment 89) : butchie this idea will not go ahead if it cannot be televised, the main stakeholders in the super rugby deal is the broadcasters. they aren’t going to let this game through their hands.

  • Comment 91, posted at 09.03.11 15:48:07 by try time Reply

  • @SharkyTaylor (Comment 88) : damn straight… just worried that none of my spare beds will be big enough. Maybe I’ll have to put up the scrummies 🙂

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