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Ludik in doubt for Chiefs


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 14 Mar 2011 at 17:36
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John Plumtree has confirmed that fullback Louis Ludik is the only injury concern for the Sharks as they prepare for Friday’s game against the chiefs in Hamilton.

Ludik took a knock to the knee against the Rebels last weekend and was replaced by Adi Jacobs with a quarter of the match remaining. The good news, according to Plumtree, is that their is no structural damage to the joint, which is the last thing Ludik needs having spent almost a year on the sidelines after a serious knee injury sustained in 2009. A decision will be taken later in the week as to whether Ludik will be risked this weekend.

Should he fail to be passed fit, The Sharks will be forced into a backline reshufflle, with the absence of JP Pietersen robbing them of the option of playing Odwa Ndungane at fullback – where he shone in a pre-season game. With Stefan Terblanche enjoying an uncomfortable outing against the Rebels at outside centre, the smart money may well be on a move back to fullback for the veteran, with Adi Jacobs making a return to the number 13 jersey.

A far more radical – and adventurous – option, could see rookie Mark Richards brought in to face a real baptism of fire in the number 15 jersey.


66 Comments

  • I’ll move Odwa to 15, Stef to 14, Adi at 13 and Richards on the bench.

  • Comment 1, posted at 14.03.11 17:47:18 by Jarson (AddicteD) Reply
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  • Have to agree with Jarson..

    Stef on the wing is good, Odwa at the back is good as he haas great hands under the high ball.

    Richards on the bench is there to prove to the youth that hard work pays off!

  • Comment 2, posted at 14.03.11 17:51:29 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Orrrr Plum could give JLP a start at 10 and shift Lambie to 15? I know this may hamper continuity, but it is important to give Potgieter a crack. I’d also contemplate giving Stefan a break after his not-so-hot display against the Rebels, and start with Adi at 13 anyway. Or would the Waikato outfit be the wrong team against which to over-shuffle the backline?

    When’s Piet Lindeque going to get his first team call up at 13?

  • Comment 3, posted at 14.03.11 17:53:37 by MerckZ Reply

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  • Moving the best SA flyhalf would be an idiotic move.. Sorry..

  • Comment 4, posted at 14.03.11 17:55:13 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Rather play JLP to 12 and Bosman to 13/bench..

  • Comment 5, posted at 14.03.11 17:56:28 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @MerckZ (Comment 3) : problem is, I don’t think Smit’s going to start against the Chiefs…. so you can’t bench/drop Stef cos you need him to captain.

  • Comment 6, posted at 14.03.11 18:34:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • It is a pity de kock is chilling in durbs.. Richards played the whole of his grade 11 season at fullback..

  • Comment 7, posted at 14.03.11 18:37:45 by mikey Reply

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  • @mikey (Comment 7) :

    de Kock seems to be pretty amazing based on current form..

  • Comment 8, posted at 14.03.11 18:39:15 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 6) :

    Is Smit still recovering or do we need our best front row?

  • Comment 9, posted at 14.03.11 18:39:50 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • I’m a bit concerned about the lack of game time given to Conrad Hoffman. His position is that of a semi-specialist (I mean no one’s gonna resort to uncontested scrum feeds if you run out of recognised no.9’s) but scrummie is one of the players who touches the ball the most in 80min of play and makes vital decisions. I’m not saying we have to start him for this game but giving him a bit more than 5min on the park per week is long overdue.

  • Comment 10, posted at 14.03.11 18:42:00 by beet Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 8) : let’s let the bloke develop through the ranks in his own time. He’s just starting to make waves in the Vodacom Cup… not time to suddenly fly him halfway around the world and gooi him headfirst into a must-win Super Rugby game 🙂

  • Comment 11, posted at 14.03.11 18:42:38 by robdylan Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 10) :

    I have to agree!

    We can give him at least 20 minutes, a fresh scrummie can make quite a difference..

    ANd he is good enough to trust!

  • Comment 12, posted at 14.03.11 18:43:38 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 9) : Look, I love John, but him at tighthead is always going to be a stopgap, I reckon. I would always start Jannie there given the option

  • Comment 13, posted at 14.03.11 18:43:40 by robdylan Reply
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  • Have been watching the Varsity Cup, I wish we could gear our kzn varsity side with some sharks youngsters it’s a awesome platform…I wonder why they don’t play as Varsity from the varsity college side…would be great for the academy aswell and the union…

  • Comment 14, posted at 14.03.11 18:44:02 by BoerSeun Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 10) : Plum has an unfortunate tendency to only bring his subs on once he feels the game is won… hence Pottie, Hoffman and co only getting on after Bosman’s try this weekend.

    He trusts Charl McLeod when the chips are down and I don’t see tat changing unless he is forced to give Hoffman a decent run though injury and the player takes his chances. Plum is a very conservative guy at heart and players need to work bloody hard to earn his trust.

  • Comment 15, posted at 14.03.11 18:45:51 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 9) : I’d say the Chiefs are one of the sides you can get away with not having your best scrummagers in the starting XV.

  • Comment 16, posted at 14.03.11 18:46:23 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 10) :I agree we need to get game time for some blokes, Lambie needs a rest and busmark…Jlp and burden can smit can start

  • Comment 17, posted at 14.03.11 18:47:03 by BoerSeun Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 16) : you reckon? Maybe you’re right… but if anything, I would let John run at loosehead this week, rather than tight.

  • Comment 18, posted at 14.03.11 18:47:58 by robdylan Reply
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  • @BoerSeun (Comment 17) : Man, I seriously don’t want to move Lambie, but you are right about one thing… we need to give Potgieter a start at some stage of the campaign. Can’t play Lambie at flyhalf for 18 matches in a row.

    What to do? Is this the game to gamble with JLP at 10? It’s not a gamble from the perspective of the individual player’s skill, but rather the fact that you risk disrupting combinations that are really working well.

    At least, the 9-10 combo works. I’m not so sure the 10-12-13 combo is working at the moment.

    Maybe giving Pottie a start at 12 is the right thing to do.

  • Comment 19, posted at 14.03.11 18:51:10 by robdylan Reply
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  • I really rate shallas at 9, but depth at 9 is a must if you want to create continuity in any team…loosing cockett may proof to be a blow if we don’t manage that decision to let him go…and hoffies is a real good player in years to come we will take of him as a great sharks man…like juice coming from province…

  • Comment 20, posted at 14.03.11 18:53:02 by BoerSeun Reply

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  • I think lambie has set himself up as a self starter, pottie is no sloutsh. He has X factor and starting him for 60min at 10 and replacing Bosman in the last 20min with bambie back at 10 and pottie at 12…pottie also played almost all his varsity rugby at 15 and 14 at potch…just a thought..

  • Comment 21, posted at 14.03.11 18:59:57 by BoerSeun Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 18) : Ja. Like the Highlanders I feel they’ve kinda had to settle for second best. May was inpressive in their good run in 2009 but mainly coz of the work he did in the loose and White just seems like this hanger on. I don’t know what’s happened to McGougan and I think Taumalolo will be restored to a starting berth as soon as he’s 100% fit.
    But I feel a lot more comfortable with Smit at LH.
    Sharksworld touched on this in the pre-season but us not having IDed the next leader is something I hope the Sharks coaching staff are working hard to address. Things are going well at the moment yet this Smit / Terblanche balancing act worries me.

  • Comment 22, posted at 14.03.11 19:00:14 by beet Reply
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  • @BoerSeun (Comment 20) : man, you guys know that I really rated Rory… but I simply cannot disagree with the decision to get rid of him. It’s been bloody years since he delivered a match winning performance in a Sharks shirt.

  • Comment 23, posted at 14.03.11 19:02:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • The idea of having so many skillful players is to give the first team a pool from which to rotate tiring players. From the performance last week I think it is time to rotate and give the likes of Potgieter a chance at 10 and give Terblanche a well-earned rest, The Chiefs are no pushovers but we have to dip into the pool of players at some time so rather do it now than wait for the time when we are forced into changes through injury or exhaustion.

  • Comment 24, posted at 14.03.11 19:03:41 by Donald Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 23) : replacing rory no worries, no team man-same sort of matt henjack scenario- but if a team performs as a unit of 22 then all is confident if the big games come…just don’t understand why hoffman is not getting more game time…is the 9 10 combination with lambie and challas really such a factor…can’t believe that..

  • Comment 25, posted at 14.03.11 19:11:11 by BoerSeun Reply

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  • @beet (Comment 22) :

    The leadership role worries me as well..

    Who do we have to follow on from Smit and Stef?

    Choices:
    – Botes (maybe a bit old)
    – Hargreaves
    – Sykes???
    – Bosman?

  • Comment 26, posted at 14.03.11 19:11:44 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Lambie takes a lot of responsibility and he gets my vote…in 2 years when steff is gone, lambie is the same age as smit when he became captain…

  • Comment 27, posted at 14.03.11 19:15:11 by BoerSeun Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 26) : I would include Keegan Daniel he did a good job in the CC.

  • Comment 28, posted at 14.03.11 19:19:59 by Danman110 Reply

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  • @Danman110 (Comment 28) :

    Good point..

    And he is senior enough to take the captaincy..

    Problem with him though is that he forms part of a rotational back three group

  • Comment 29, posted at 14.03.11 19:23:16 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 26) : I think you have the Botes / Hargreaves order right there. The Sharks seem to have a unique situation in that our current leader and the next few in line incl. Daniels aren’t well-established players in the team and our known first choices like Bismarck, Kanko, Alberts, McLeod prob lack the leadership qualities. Elsewhere it’s guys like cornerstone players Sharp, Meelamu, Matfield, Read, Guinea, Horwill who back up their selects with on field form.

  • Comment 30, posted at 14.03.11 19:28:03 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 30) :

    I like the look of Bosman as an option though..

    Not sure if he was ever stand in captain at the Cheetahs?

  • Comment 31, posted at 14.03.11 19:30:02 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @BoerSeun (Comment 25) : Like I said above… I think the issue is Plum needing to build more trust in his reserves.

  • Comment 32, posted at 14.03.11 19:30:32 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 29) : True I think it will be Keegan or Hargreaves. Bosman is new to the squad so I think he has to put in a few seasons to be considered.

  • Comment 33, posted at 14.03.11 19:31:35 by Danman110 Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 6) : rob what is your impression of the the sharks 15 full back cobus…think he can become a backup to ludik?

  • Comment 34, posted at 14.03.11 19:33:55 by BoerSeun Reply

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  • @MerckZ (Comment 3) : PLUS it would give us a 15 that doesn’t miss tackle.

    Tackles made 47
    Missed 2

    Tackled + missed
    8 + 1 Rebels
    19 + 0 Force
    13 + 1 Blues
    7 + 0 Cheetahs

  • Comment 35, posted at 14.03.11 19:43:02 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 35) :

    I will have to start keeping tabs on the season stats..

  • Comment 36, posted at 14.03.11 19:47:54 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 36) : Ludik has also only missed 2 tackles but has only made about half what Lambie has.

  • Comment 37, posted at 14.03.11 19:54:32 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • I still stand by Hargreaves as the logical choice.

  • Comment 38, posted at 14.03.11 19:57:06 by robdylan Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 37) :

    Ludik has been good though allround..

    Have you seen his meters gained stats.. He likes running it from the back!

  • Comment 39, posted at 14.03.11 19:57:27 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 38) :

    Have to agree..

    He has done the hard yards and lead every Sharks age group team.

    Has to be him!

  • Comment 40, posted at 14.03.11 19:59:16 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 35) : KSa, come now… surely you know that you can hardly look at a guy’s tackle stats at flyhalf and try to transpose those to a different position. Tackling at flyhalf is a lot more about reaction time and technique, whereas from fullback, it’s about anticipation and pace. I love Lambie, you guys know this, but I’ve always maintainted he could be found wanting in the pace stakes at fullback.

  • Comment 41, posted at 14.03.11 19:59:42 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 40) : to me, the key factor is that Hargs has made that 5 jersey his own… we were worried that Skeate was going to lift him, but that possibility is nothing but a distant memory.

  • Comment 42, posted at 14.03.11 20:00:40 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 41) :

    Is Ludik really that much quicker than Lambie?

  • Comment 43, posted at 14.03.11 20:01:54 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 42) :

    Good point..

    He really has worked hrd, and it is showing!

  • Comment 44, posted at 14.03.11 20:02:33 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 35) : However some of the greatest ever fullbacks of the pro age have been known to be poor tacklers – Joubert, Cullen, Miliaina are names that come to mind. Izzy and Beale also don’t look that comfy on ground D. IMO being a good tackler isn’t really a selling point for being a good fullback unless you play for the Lions, in which case a stat on how often you’ve managed to make try saving tackles or stop overlaps might come in handy. 😀

  • Comment 45, posted at 14.03.11 20:02:59 by beet Reply
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  • @BoerSeun (Comment 34) : Kobus de Kock… I rate him as a great prospect. A fantastic schoolboy who had a horror run with injury and has forced his way back into contention through good club form.

    To my mind, he should emerge as the natural successor to Ludik at 15, but we need to let him (continue to) show his worth in the Vodacom Cup and then bring him through in the Currie Cup.

  • Comment 46, posted at 14.03.11 20:03:33 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 46) :

    Cannot wait to see de Kock and Adonga and Jerome and the like take the field for the Sharks in the Currie Cup

  • Comment 47, posted at 14.03.11 20:08:15 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 43) : I don’t have stats to back it up, but I would put money on it.

    Ludik used to be SO fast before his injury. He’s lost a little pace, I’m sure, but he’s definitely quicker than Pat

  • Comment 48, posted at 14.03.11 20:12:13 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 46) : Rob obviously your respected opinion is generated from the feedback you receive from knowledgeable people with well-trained eyes who are close to the Sharks setup (when you’re not able to see the games for yourself) so I’m reading into this that Kobus is a complete package. His ability on the front foot was there for everyone to see during that Bulls game but I gather that his positional play, his punting and his decision making particularly under pressure and x-factor qty must be of pretty high standard as well???

  • Comment 49, posted at 14.03.11 20:16:37 by beet Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 48) :

    Cool.. I was just wondering..

    Would Ludik fit in on the wing?

  • Comment 50, posted at 14.03.11 20:17:13 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 47) : @robdylan (Comment 48) : When I saw Pat play in the juniors in 2009 I believed he was too slow to cut it as a 1st class fullback and wanted him to be switched to centre. However when he debuted at 15 and did such an outstanding job there I realised that for some special players the “too slow!”, “too small!” rugby stereotyping just doesn’t apply.
    Some of my favourite players of the past like Andy Aiken, Tiaan Strauss, Dick Muir and Wahl Bartmann have fitted this profile and gone on to prove the masses wrong.

  • Comment 51, posted at 14.03.11 20:22:27 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 49) : Beet, that was quite cleverly done 🙂

    Ok, so as you rightly point out, I have yet to see de Kock “with my own eyes” but those I’ve spoken to all rate him. The aspect that you talk about (other than pure attack) are obviously areas in which he is going to be tested more stringently in weeks to come as the XV start to face stronger opposition. That’s why I’m keen to see how he develops over the course of the season and then expose him to greater pressure in the Currie Cup, rather than turning him into an “overnight sensation” based on a few good Vodacom Cup games and throwing him straight into Super Rugby from there.

    The gulf in class between Vodacom Cup and Super Rugby is HUGE, as we know.

    So far, De Kock has earned big tick marks for counterattacking ability and is also a proving a useful goal kicking option. I simply don’t have enough data (yet) to comment on the other points.

  • Comment 52, posted at 14.03.11 20:24:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 51) :

    Pat is going to be invaluable to South Africa and the Sharks for the next 10 years!

  • Comment 53, posted at 14.03.11 20:24:58 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 50) : yes – the Lions used him there quite a lot.

  • Comment 54, posted at 14.03.11 20:25:09 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 52) :

    I was hoping to be the data-capturer regarding the younger ranks.. but the lack of game time at the Tank is clearly screwing with that plan..

  • Comment 55, posted at 14.03.11 20:27:59 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 50) : Ludik played wing for the Lions and he was good on the wing but he lost some pace after his injurie so he will be able to cover the wing but I would rather have Richards on the wing.

  • Comment 56, posted at 14.03.11 20:28:00 by Danman110 Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 55) : it happens… I would try get to the game in Empangeni if you can.

    I’ll definitely make Witbank.

  • Comment 57, posted at 14.03.11 20:29:12 by robdylan Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 51) : Ludik doesn’t seem to have stand out pace or a step or any special movement for that matter that sets him apart for the average Joe. I’m happy that he’s in our team but my feeling is that his strength lies in his consistency and that he will always be susceptible to being dropped in favour of a promising up and coming flashier youngster.

  • Comment 58, posted at 14.03.11 20:30:16 by beet Reply
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  • @Danman110 (Comment 56) :

    Thanx..

    Im just collecting data for my debating skills in the future..

    Its good to know your team better..

  • Comment 59, posted at 14.03.11 20:32:16 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 58) :

    Lets hope that is not the case..

  • Comment 60, posted at 14.03.11 20:33:16 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 52) : Rob there was no disrespect intended here. You do some amazing work. And I mean it like I say it, if you give a guy the thumbs up, I read into that that the many hands on guys you’ve been liasing with have contributed to your opinion in this regard. In some instances I think it’s a blessing in disguise that you are reliant on these guys, it gives Sharksworld a unique edge.

  • Comment 61, posted at 14.03.11 20:41:08 by beet Reply
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  • @Jarson (AddicteD) (Comment 1) : If we have to shuffle the players about. Agree that would be the best bet.

  • Comment 62, posted at 14.03.11 21:22:45 by Puma Reply

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  • I do not think this is the game to give richards a chance?

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  • Comment 63, posted at 14.03.11 21:43:09 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 26) : Keegan?

  • Comment 64, posted at 14.03.11 21:44:47 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 19) : I would take that chance against the saders.

  • Comment 65, posted at 14.03.11 21:48:29 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • The win against the rebels showed me we can take it this year.

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