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Bakkies cited AGAIN!!


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Posted in :Bulls, In the news, Super Rugby on 21 Mar 2011 at 04:39
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The Bulls’ discipline will be cast in the spotlight, after it was confirmed that veteran Springbok lock Bakkies Botha has been cited.

Anthony Mackaiser, the Manager Communications and Marketing at the SANZAR offices in Sydney, confirmed to rugby365.com that Botha has been cited under law 10.4 (e) – dangerous tackling.

This follows the defending champion Bulls’ second consecutive defeat – a 13-23 loss to the Stormers in a game they again fell foul of the referee, with captain Victor Matfield admitting afterwards that penalties have become a major issue.

Although the details of the hearing is yet to be confirmed, Botha has been cited for a dangerous tackle on Stormers scrumhalf Dewald Duwenhage in the first half – an incident which left the scrumhalf dazed for a while and unable to continue.

New Zealand referee Keith Brown, who penalised the Bulls 13 times in the match and also awarded three free kicks against them, did not penalised Botha for the incident.

However, SANZAR decided to cite Botha.

Botha, with a chequered disciplinary record, could face a lengthy ban if he is found guilty.

In the past two years Botha was banned for an illegal clearance on British and Irish Lions prop Adam Jones in 2009, a sanction that led to protest action by the Boks, then again for a dangerous charge on Stormers back Gio Aplon last year, which ruled him out of the historic Super 14 Final in Soweto, and then also the nine-week ban for head-butting All Black scrumhalf Jimmy Cowan in last year’s Tri-Nations tournament.

Law 10.4 (e) – dangerous tackling – states: A player must not tackle an opponent early, late or dangerously.

A player must not tackle (or try to tackle) an opponent above the line of the shoulders. A tackle around the opponent’s neck or head is dangerous play.

A ‘stiff-arm tackle’ is dangerous play. A player makes a stiff-arm tackle when using a stiff arm to strike an opponent.

Playing a player without the ball is dangerous play.

A player must not tackle an opponent whose feet are off the ground.
Botha’s long-time second row partner at the Bulls and Boks, Matfield, was clearly agitated by the numerous penalties conceded by his team.

Although he remonstrated with the Kiwi official, the Bulls captain, Matfield, admitted afterwards that his team’s discipline is an issue.

“Too many penalties, I think that is the main thing,” Matfield said in his post-match reaction, when asked about his team’s second defeat n four matches.

“We need to be sharper at the breakdown, make better decisions,” he said, adding: “We need to adapt to the referee, the way he is blowing the game and that is important for us.”

The Bulls also have a couple of injury concerns ahead of their Round Six encounter with the Lions – Bok prop Gurthrö Steenkamp and fullback Zane Kirchner both doubtful starters.

By Jan de Koning, Rugby 365


70 Comments

  • I really feel for Bakkies. this couldn’t have happeend to a nicer guy.

    Throw away the keys

  • Comment 1, posted at 21.03.11 04:40:30 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • Cowan must be glad Bakkies was “injured” when they played. 😉

  • Comment 2, posted at 21.03.11 04:41:07 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • All I can say is…… Nope, nothing 🙄

  • Comment 3, posted at 21.03.11 06:32:51 by Jarson (AddicteD) Reply
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  • Was a shocker could have bust the guys neck, I have to wonder does he just loose it, when he is playing. Between him and Bissie I just don’t know. It is almost like they are not able to think logically or maybe they just don’t think!!

  • Comment 4, posted at 21.03.11 06:37:18 by Whindy Reply
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  • Bully boys have problems. This bad run exposes Matfield as a captain. He can’t seem to rally any of his boys in games when his sides are down. Bakkies should get 2-3 weeks. Can’t be worse than the spear tackle on Ndugane ?

  • Comment 5, posted at 21.03.11 07:43:02 by Speed7 Reply

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  • I wonder if Bakkies has his own parking at the disciplinary hearing venue in PTA?

  • Comment 6, posted at 21.03.11 07:43:07 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 6) : 😆

  • Comment 7, posted at 21.03.11 07:46:50 by Whindy Reply
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  • What’s gonna happen to him when he actually throws a punch ?

  • Comment 8, posted at 21.03.11 07:52:05 by Speed7 Reply

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  • @Speed7 (Comment 5) : I think it will be more like 6 weeks. Bakkies can only claim to be remorseful so many times.

  • Comment 9, posted at 21.03.11 07:54:31 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • I think it’s high time Wynie Strydom removed that Danny Grewcock -“beat my record if you can” poster from the Bakkies’ changeroom locker. 💡

  • Comment 10, posted at 21.03.11 08:30:43 by beet Reply
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  • Didn’t see it. When in the 1st half was this?

  • Comment 11, posted at 21.03.11 08:34:10 by McLovin Reply

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  • an incident which left the scrumhalf dazed for a while and unable to continue.

    He didn’t leave the field so surely he did continue? 😐

  • Comment 12, posted at 21.03.11 09:44:50 by McLovin Reply

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  • He stayed down for a while but credit to the lad he got up and played on

  • Comment 13, posted at 21.03.11 09:49:47 by Clayton(PJLD) Reply
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  • A bit harsh imo.

  • Comment 14, posted at 21.03.11 09:52:05 by McLovin Reply

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  • Dear Mr Mackaiser

    You guys at SANZAR seem to know your laws pretty well. Quoting the exact law and all that.

    I strongly suspect there might be a law book somewhere in SANZAR’s offices.

    Could you please check what that law book says about punching and then please explain to us why two Highlanders players who were clearly seen punching on tv, in slomo, weren’t cited?

    Yours sincerely

    Confused fan.

  • Comment 15, posted at 21.03.11 09:57:29 by McLovin Reply

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  • JJ Harmse is not a happy chappy and I am loving every minute! 😀

  • Comment 16, posted at 21.03.11 10:35:10 by wpw Reply
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  • I`m loving this. First smile I cracked since Black Friday!

    Go Bullebak! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 17, posted at 21.03.11 12:07:57 by Original Champion Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 11) :

    BAKKIES BOTHA JUDICIAL HEARING

    Bulls lock Bakkies Botha will face a SANZAR judicial hearing after being cited for dangerous play during the Super Rugby match against the Stormers in Pretoria last Saturday.

    The hearing, chaired by Advocate Jannie Lubbe (SC), will commence at 11h00 [20h00 Aus, 22h00 NZ] on Tuesday 22 March, 2011 at Loftus Versfeld Stadium in Pretoria.

    Botha allegedly breached Foul Play Law 10.4 {e} relating to a dangerous tackle against an opponents neck or head.

    The citing followed an incident in the 24th minute of the match in which Botha cleaned Stormers scrumhalf Dewaldt Duvenage at a ruck. Botha was not penalised by the referee for the alleged offence.

  • Comment 18, posted at 21.03.11 13:04:28 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Can you believe a friend of mine just called him a Hero?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aO12nItzYdw

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6f37tLbwGM&feature=related

  • Comment 19, posted at 21.03.11 13:31:54 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • And here he tells us how sorry he is. 😕

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8v3yyuCUpis&feature=related

    at 2:40 he tells us that since 2001 he has been in front of 5 disciplinary hearings of which 4 were in the same year as the one for headbutting Cowan.

    TWAT!!

  • Comment 21, posted at 21.03.11 13:34:44 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • heroic stuff indeed.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJ0_L9EjdCk&feature=related

  • Comment 22, posted at 21.03.11 13:37:29 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • If Bakkies left Duvenhage (more) dazed and confused, then the fact that the ref did nothing about it leaves all of us completely motherless… and makes Sanzar look like a bunch of brainless idiots, especially given that the aforementioned assault on Miss Bekker had no consequences for those involved.
    I am no Bakkies fan, and believe that dangerous play needs to be urgently addressed, but so does the fact that seemingly every match at the moment is being played in staccato form due to the ref blowing his whistle every few seconds. A prime example of this was the “offside” against Matfield in the same match, when the man was on the floor, having been tackled, at the time.
    Ill discipline is ill discipline, but it certainly seems to be spread across the board at the moment, and especially with the South African teams. Does anyone have the stats for the Australian and NZ teams with regards to how many blow-ups and penalties have been awarded? I’ll hazard a guess that its nowhere near as many as have been awarded against SA teams. Are we really so badly behaved or are we being actively targetted? And can someone also tell me why New Zealand refs get to oversee games where New Zealand teams are playing? Does this not encourage bias?

  • Comment 23, posted at 21.03.11 13:38:19 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • I dont know “bout you guys, but I dont buy his excuses and so called prayers before a game – its a big LIE! I am sure he prays for power….not to play the game, but to play the man. He is one false sonoffa….Funny thing is, when they showed him praying on the field before the game, my words were exactly that….

  • Comment 24, posted at 21.03.11 13:50:19 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 24) : please, let’s not bring religion into it?

  • Comment 25, posted at 21.03.11 13:58:51 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 25) : Sorry Rob – was just an observation..

  • Comment 26, posted at 21.03.11 13:59:35 by Ice Reply
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  • @Original Champion (Comment 17) : Black Friday? Drama queen… 🙂

  • Comment 27, posted at 21.03.11 14:00:28 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 26) : it’s not going to lead anywhere good. I had exactly the same thought when I saw him before the game and mentioned it to the guy I was watching with, but I know how heated these discussions can get and I’d rather not have to deal with the fallout 🙂

  • Comment 28, posted at 21.03.11 14:01:49 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 28) : Especially seeing that us SA’ people have time on hand, it being a PH and all! 😆 😉

  • Comment 29, posted at 21.03.11 14:04:32 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 29) : man – that factor REALLY irritates me today. I am dying for a day off 🙂

  • Comment 30, posted at 21.03.11 14:11:27 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 30) : I NEED this day off…hectic weekend involving lots of good food, crayfish and wine! 😈

  • Comment 31, posted at 21.03.11 14:14:23 by Ice Reply
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  • Bakkies is a Tard.

  • Comment 32, posted at 21.03.11 14:15:59 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • @Honey Badger (Comment 32) : he was a Tard the first time. Then he did it again and again, making hi a re-Tard 🙂

  • Comment 33, posted at 21.03.11 14:16:35 by robdylan Reply
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  • was this the incident when Bakkies grabbed a guy by the neck and tried to do a WWE-style body slam? I saw the incident and remembered thinking, at the time, that Bakkies was lucky not to break the oke’s neck.

    They must ban him for life now. I am sick of this crap.

  • Comment 34, posted at 21.03.11 14:18:09 by robdylan Reply
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  • Bulls playing really crappy rugga at the moment. Morne Steyn is a defnite no-no for Boks, I would slot Pat in and Grant as second in line..

  • Comment 35, posted at 21.03.11 14:18:21 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 35) : you know as well as I do that it ain’t gonna happen 🙁

    But I agree, the Bulls are looking unmotivated and ill-disciplined at the moment.

  • Comment 36, posted at 21.03.11 14:22:47 by robdylan Reply
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  • @(Comment 35) :

    Bulls have been playing the style of rugby for a while now. Just don’t understand how they managed to get away with it so long when an average team like the Highlanders has proven in two consecutive Super Rugby season how to beat them convincingly.

    The sad thing is that behind the Sharks, the Bulls have the most influence in the Bok setup (based on player contribution to last year’s End of year tour). So, we might see some of this mind numbing and aimless kicking being reintroduced to the TriNations.

    Why cant this union recognise that Setgmann is a liability, Spies feels too secure in his position and Matfield is too loose for a tight 5?

  • Comment 37, posted at 21.03.11 14:49:15 by Starvekos Reply

     
  • @robdylan (Comment 36) : Then William Webb will be immigrating again 🙄

  • Comment 38, posted at 21.03.11 14:50:35 by Jarson (AddicteD) Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 35) : @robdylan (Comment 36) : Morne have always been poor. Its the strong bulls and bok pack that made him look better. Now the bulls pack are struggling and his true colours are coming out. The currie cup semi is a good example as well.

  • Comment 39, posted at 21.03.11 14:55:20 by Ben Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 1) : It was a nothing challenge though…if you’re going to cite him for this, then we may as well give up playing rugby.

    Look, I know he is a thug on the rugby field and his past history shows that…but this particular clean out certainly didn’t deserve a citing. If it was ANY other player, it wouldn’t have even been mentioned.

  • Comment 40, posted at 21.03.11 15:08:32 by Villie Reply
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  • So its fine to throw punches at Andries “Big Pimpin'” Bekker, but Bakkies is the devil for his tackle?

    Ban him if justified, but why the double standards?

  • Comment 41, posted at 21.03.11 15:31:22 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 41) : I agree… JJ’s point is infantile in the extreme.

  • Comment 42, posted at 21.03.11 15:42:44 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Villie (Comment 40) : I agree.

  • Comment 43, posted at 21.03.11 15:58:05 by McLovin Reply

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  • The referee didn’t even penalize bakkies, this is pathetic he is a target for the things he has done in the past.

  • Comment 44, posted at 21.03.11 16:14:15 by theswan4 Reply

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  • @theswan4 (Comment 44) : @Villie (Comment 40) : Please can you both watch this again…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJQAdlWekr0

    The way Bakkies gets his arm around the oke’s neck and then piledrives him to the ground does NOT look like a nothing challenge to me.

  • Comment 45, posted at 21.03.11 16:25:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • Bulls are going to come out of this slump, though… they have the Lions at home this weekend. They could field their Vodacom Cup side and still win.

    Ok wait, actually… let’s rather make that the Tukkies Vodacom Cup side 🙂

  • Comment 46, posted at 21.03.11 16:26:25 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 46) : At least the Tuks team has a coach, that usually helps.

  • Comment 47, posted at 21.03.11 16:29:28 by war1 Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 46) : Put up a varsity cup thread please Robbo.

  • Comment 48, posted at 21.03.11 16:33:32 by Ben Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 45) : Agree – THAT’s a neck-breaker move – I think Duvenhage is very lucky to have escaped serious injury, but I am 100% sure he is feeling it still!

    @Starvekos (Comment 37) : With you there

  • Comment 49, posted at 21.03.11 16:41:17 by Ice Reply
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  • As controversial as this may sound to some, I’m a firm believer that your reputation should precede you on a rugby field. Referees and citing committees should target guys like Bakkies (and there are a few others) because they have brought in upon themselves with their weekly antics.

    A while ago a French prop got +/-70 weeks for eye-gouging. Heaven forbid that one day a player’s eye actually gets plucked out be some ill-disciplined idiot with rage issues. Longer suspension lengths like this should be considered.

    Bakkies has been a multiple offender, I can’t see why his history of dirty play shouldn’t play a part when a committee decides on the next length of ban to hand down to him. You sideline a guy like this for 12 months and make it clear that it’s because he was continuously involved in dirty play and soon all the other thugs out there will learn to control their tempers.

  • Comment 50, posted at 21.03.11 16:52:02 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 50) : yes I agree with you, that’s why citing commissioners are there.

  • Comment 51, posted at 21.03.11 16:54:35 by Ben Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 50) : Sounds fair enough to me.

  • Comment 52, posted at 21.03.11 17:01:23 by Ice Reply
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  • When I saw the incident I knew that Bakkies would be cited, and I reckon given his rep this could be a stiff ban, which doesn’t bug me – but as our fellow fans say… Where is the consistency?

  • Comment 53, posted at 21.03.11 17:20:51 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 46) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 54, posted at 21.03.11 17:57:08 by Jarson (AddicteD) Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 33) : Most def! 😆

  • Comment 55, posted at 21.03.11 21:36:06 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • I didnt see the game live but watched the clip of the incident. Seriously WTF!!! That is just someone getting cleaned out at a ruck! Duvenage”s body positioning was bad and thats why it looked worse than it was. Dont blame Bakkies for another players poor positioning. Nothing wrong with the cleanout. Its not touch rugby lads! HTFU!!

  • Comment 56, posted at 22.03.11 12:10:16 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 56) : he had his arm around the guy’s neck…

  • Comment 57, posted at 22.03.11 12:16:48 by robdylan Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 56) : The thing is – what was Bakkies intent? Do one normally clean out a ruck and en up five meters BEHIND the ruck?

  • Comment 58, posted at 22.03.11 12:18:20 by Ice Reply
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  • One has to wonder if any other player would have been cited for this..

  • Comment 59, posted at 22.03.11 12:21:00 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • @SheldonK (Comment 56) : How was Duvenhage poorly positioned? he was bending into a ruck? Or do Bulls “doing it standing up”?

    Come on Sheldon…seriously?? Bakkies….? i for one cannot wait for his press release this time..

  • Comment 60, posted at 22.03.11 12:22:03 by Ice Reply
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  • Hearing was an hour ago . .. any result yet?

  • Comment 61, posted at 22.03.11 12:24:04 by Original Champion Reply
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  • @Original Champion (Comment 61) :

    Nothing yet..

  • Comment 62, posted at 22.03.11 12:28:58 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • just seen a tweet suggesting he got off

  • Comment 63, posted at 22.03.11 12:57:39 by robdylan Reply
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  • Exactly- Duvenage was bent over not looking up. he got cleaned like anbody else would have. If it was Duvenage on Bakkies there would be a big story about how the hardman of SA rugby gets cleaned out by a scrummie. This is rugby people- if you cant take the hits then play chess!!

  • Comment 64, posted at 22.03.11 12:58:17 by SheldonK Reply

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  • @SheldonK (Comment 64) : contact to the neck should never be allowed

  • Comment 65, posted at 22.03.11 13:00:44 by robdylan Reply
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  • Yeah according to Brendan Nel he got off.

    Guess Willie Roos chaired this one as well?

  • Comment 66, posted at 22.03.11 13:05:06 by Original Champion Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 65) : It happens Rob! Its a contact sport. If the ref who was on the scene didnt see anything into it then why do the pansies at Sanzar get involved. I agree with stiff arm/high tackles and tip tackles. But come on all that happened was he got cleaned out when his body positioning wasnt good.

  • Comment 67, posted at 22.03.11 13:05:25 by SheldonK Reply

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  • Bakkies cleared on charge of dangerous play..

  • Comment 68, posted at 22.03.11 13:26:38 by Richard Ferguson Reply
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  • Total load of Bolloks!

  • Comment 69, posted at 22.03.11 15:01:55 by Uli Reply
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  • @Richard Ferguson (Comment 68) : Well no one can ever clear him of having an IQ bigger than his shoe-size, that’s for sure. The man’s a walking advert for academic underachievement.

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