Morné

A toast to the loser in all of us!


Written by Morné Nortier (Morné)

Posted in :Original Content on 30 Mar 2011 at 11:05
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Recently I found myself at a cross-road.  For years I have made a mockery of the ‘entitlement’ sports fans believed they had over teams and players, only for myself to start believing the same thing…

I found three distinct groups when it comes to sport.  Those who play the game, those who write or comment about the game, and those who support the game.

At the best of times this is an uncomfortable marriage, but also a very necessary one.  All three groups believe they have certain ‘rights’, a right to privacy and the odd bad performance or dip in form (teams and players), a right to comment critically (media), and a right of entitlement and ownership (supporters).

All parties believe these rights have been earned, or deserved, but more importantly, that the other group needs to respect and acknowledge these rights over and above their own!

Inevitably, these groups or rather, mobs, gang up on one another, all believing they are entitled to answers or explanations especially when their rights have been violated.

A couple of recent examples highlighted this yet again for me.

Because of simple logistics, I am closer to the Stormers and Western Province rugby than any other rugby team in South Africa.  Through this I am privileged to receive information first-hand, or from the horse’s mouth so-to-speak.

I realised however over the weekend after the Stormers crushed the Western Force, followed by an article where Coetzee had the last laugh, that over the last 4 years just about every single article or column I wrote about this team was negative, and critical, or even overly-critical and unfair.

Wearing my media hat, I felt I had a right to criticise or report to the readers on matters which I believed they had a right to know.  But herein lies the problem.  These negative issues were issues perceived by one individual, or the media mob that attends every game and press conference at Newlands, and then literally force these views onto the public.

Never underestimate the power of the written word…  Unlike a conversation between individuals, what has been written does not have a tone, or a mannerism that can be associated to a feeling or interpretation.  It gets read, re-read, discussed, dissected, analysed and is effectively burnt into minds of those who choose to read it.

Another instance is Dewald Potgieter’s latest column on SuperRugby.  In his last 2 or 3 columns he has continually mentioned how the last couple of weeks has been the most difficult of his life.  How the expectation of the public is weighing heavily on his shoulders and how difficult he finds this, or provide answers to the fans and supporters.

In his latest edition, he tells a story of a man that walked up to him at a shop, the man told him that he thinks he is the most overrated player he has ever seen.  He explains his emotions in how he wanted to bang this guy’s head in, and the frustration he felt as a player, and how this man (who probably represented the U/19 F team) has no understanding for his position, and no respect for his ‘rights’.

Then at the same shop on a different day, a girl in the car-park screamed at him how he is her dad’s favourite player.

You can almost feel when reading his column the utter amazement, confusion and frustration the player had to go through or is going through.  You also almost feel sorry for him, as you would for Graeme Smith who fled to Ireland after the Cricket World Cup quarter final loss recently – but then you remember those losses…

This leads to my third example, Graeme Smith and the Proteas.

The media is in an absolute state of hysteria because Graeme Smith decided to take a break and head straight from India to Ireland to spent time with a loved one, and not come back to South Africa first to ‘answer to them’?

Entitlement anyone?

I can understand how the public (read media) is pissed off at the poor result against New Zealand, same as I am seemingly continually pissed off at WP Rugby for some unknown reason and the same reason that guy in the shop was pissed off at Dewald Potgieter.

We are frustrated, even hurt by the failures of people who essentially are, our heroes.  But since when are we entitled to answers?  Especially when there isn’t even a question to be asked?

I have sat in enough press conferences to tell you exactly what ‘questions’ Smith would have had to answer to;

“So Graeme, in your opinion what went wrong?”

We lost that’s what went wrong.

“Do you believe the chokers tag is justified?”

I have never seen a professional sports team go out with the intention to lose, but in sport, there is always a loser and this time it happened to be the Proteas.  You lose because you make mistakes, either individually or as a team, and more often than not in critical moments or more than the opposition.  That is the reality of sport, so in effect, every team that loses on any day, chokes.

Then there will be the usual questions about the team selections on the day, tactics used, etc., all very easy to criticise in hindsight.

So exactly what purpose would a Graeme Smith press conference have served?  Stroke the ego’s of the media perhaps?  Satisfy those millions out there who will suddenly say; ‘I told you so’?  All of whom were silent when the Proteas crushed India.

Fact is, everyone of the individuals discussed above need to realise that the job they chose, or the group they fall under, each comes with its own challenges and responsibilities.  Moreover, none of us are entitled to anything.

Each group needs the other, and the failures of one does not result in some form of victory for the other.  Understanding and respect will go a long way in getting the ‘answers’ we are all looking for when times are tough, perhaps that is worth remembering when your favourite player, or even least favourite player knock’s a ball in a critical moment, or spoons a catch to a fielder when it’s the last thing the team needed.

A sense of self-importance, often leads to delusions of grandeur.

To quote an advertisement currently on television; “Before you question the heart of a player, ask him what he wouldn’t give to have a second chance”.


149 Comments

  • Really Good article Morne, I see everybody having melt downs about Smith, and if I had the choice between asking a million questions and being with her , I know what my answer would be. However, he is a professional sportsman and is paid to be the captain and with that comes responsibilities, like having to answer questions from the media, part of the job description. My point is he really did not have a choice, especially after telling the rest of his team to take it on the chin. This does not give us the rite to criticize him either though, as I understand there is more to him staying out of the country and as an expat worker who knows the tax implications; this is the real reason for him going to Ireland instead of facing the music. Your point is a good one and one every supporter should ask himself before he crucifies the sports heroes, he idolizes when he wins but hates when he loses. It is after all only a game!!

  • Comment 1, posted at 30.03.11 11:20:58 by Whindy Reply
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  • As much as it goes against my deeply ingrained disdain for all things Bulls-related, I have to say that I really enjoy Dewald Potgieter’s column. I like the easy, affectless conversational style of it, as well as the honest insight into the mind of a player, and the behind-the-scenes aspects of life as a professional sportsman.

  • Comment 2, posted at 30.03.11 11:21:49 by Culling Song Reply
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  • Good read Morne – but who is Greame? 😆

    BTW – I dont entirely agree. I think if I make a mistake at work, and I am going to try the “you dont own me and what is your entitlement to me approach” – i’ll be smackbang on my arse at the foyer and given a last boot through the glass doors.

    I dont think its as much “entitlement” as it is acceptable behaviour – “the right thing to do”. Off course I agree with most of what you are saying as to “no team loses on purpose etc.” But one needs to take responsibility for decisions and ultimately the outcome of those.

    Simply said – We might not have the right to question Graeme, but him coming home with his team as their leader – would have been the “right” thing to do…

  • Comment 3, posted at 30.03.11 11:26:36 by Ice Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 2) : Faf du Plessis has also done well with his column at the world cup!!

  • Comment 4, posted at 30.03.11 11:27:19 by Whindy Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 3) : Agreed!!

  • Comment 5, posted at 30.03.11 11:28:34 by Whindy Reply
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  • Hi Morne. I hear what you are saying and agree with most of it. However, on the Grame Smith issue I do not agree. Yes he does not need to come and explain and yes we know what the answers would have been. But he is the captain of the team and therefore a senior leader of cricket South Africa.

    As a leader he should have come back with his team and walked through the airport gates with them. It is what any responsible leader should do. Similar we all had an outcry when Bjorn Basson and Chiliboy had to arrive back home last year without any support from SA Rugby after being accused of using stimulants. It’s just not on. You do not throw your team mates to the wolves while you parade off with your girlfriend. Not fair towards his team mates who had to answer questions about why he is not there.

  • Comment 6, posted at 30.03.11 11:35:35 by Viking Reply
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  • Great article Morne.

    In a similar vein, there are 3 types of observations

    1) An opinion
    2) An informed opinion
    3) A professional opinion

    When past-players or coaches comment on a player’s performance, it should get the respect it deserves; it’s a professional opinion.

    When it’s a journo’s opinion or someone who studies the game intensely and watches more than one team over the weekend, it’s an informed opinion, still worth acknowledging but not really as important as a professional opinion.

    And then there are of course the opinions from the beer-boeped arm chair crowd (most of us :grin:). While having a right to these opinions is a matter of free speech, we should be prepared to have our uninformed opinions scorned and scrutinized and shouldn’t stress too much when similarly uninformed people yell: ‘John Smit sucks’ or something similarly baseless and factless. Our opinions are simply receiving the level of respect they probably deserve.

  • Comment 7, posted at 30.03.11 11:43:39 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 3) :

    e/a 😉

    I am a bit short on time, but here goes.

    The media does not pay Smith’s salary, your company pays yours.

    If CSA wanted his ass on the first plane to SA, then he would’ve been on it.

    Essentially we, and the media, expect answers from sportsmen (entitlement, we are owed answers) when we have no idea what their jobs are!

    If 2% of media men I know and met every played rugby at national level that would be a lot, let alone provincial or club level for the first team’s.

    Yet we ‘demand’ answers about a person’s environment or job we have no idea about?

    Of course we can question, even criticise, no-one is beyond that in life, I am more referring to the sense of entitlement that we believe we are ‘owed’ all of this.

  • Comment 8, posted at 30.03.11 11:45:38 by Morné Reply
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  • @Viking (Comment 6) :

    Disagree somewhat.

    Job of a captain is his team, mostly on the field of play but also off it.

    That is his responsibility.

    The media, well imo that is the responsibility of the coach, team manager and media manager.

  • Comment 9, posted at 30.03.11 11:49:23 by Morné Reply
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  • Got to run, will catch up later.

    Ciao.

  • Comment 10, posted at 30.03.11 11:50:23 by Morné Reply
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  • @CapeShark (Comment 7) :

    Good point, well put.

    Now I am late.

  • Comment 11, posted at 30.03.11 11:54:52 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 9) : Agree with you on that. Off the field the bulk of the responsibility belongs to the coach, manager etc but he is not excluded from the responsibilities off the field. I would have prefered that her first came back to SA even if it was only for 5 minutes before getting on the next plane.

  • Comment 12, posted at 30.03.11 11:57:56 by Viking Reply
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  • @Viking (Comment 12) : Viking as an expat worker, I am subject to the same tax laws that he and AB are and you have to stay out of the country for a minimum of 180 day with sixty being consecutive, I would imagine that this is the real reason he and AB are not here. I dont think the media hold any fears for Biff, he has seen it all before!!

  • Comment 13, posted at 30.03.11 12:03:37 by Whindy Reply
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  • Whindy, that’s also what I heard or rather that’s what FAF du Plessis said on a radio interview.

    Apparently the issue with Smith not coming back to SA has nothing to do with him “running away” and absolutely everything to do with saving on tax money. For the same reason AB will remain in Namibia for another 7 days before he, and Smith, returns to the Republic.

  • Comment 14, posted at 30.03.11 12:06:43 by rhineshark Reply
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  • Nice article Morne.
    @CapeShark (Comment 7) :
    Ashwin Willemse (professional opinion) and his sidekick (smiley opinion) on All Out Rugby would have us believe that Keegan Daniel, out of frustation struck a Saders player in the throat. This was when he got tackled and the tackle clearly jerked his body with his forearm pushed upwards into the oncoming tacklers throat area. The whole world saw that there was no malice except for the pro opinion.

  • Comment 15, posted at 30.03.11 12:12:27 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Utter nonsense.

    If you want to represent your country, then you answer to your country. They are paid helluva big salaries – comparable to CEO salaries. If ABSA went bankrupt, would it be ok for Maria Ramos to go to Ireland for a month or would we expect her to answer?

    These players earn a lot because of sponsorships. Sponsorships are only possible because of our support. They effectively have to answer to us.

  • Comment 16, posted at 30.03.11 12:13:44 by kingshark Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 15) : Reminds me of Pieter Hendriks’ World Cup commentary. Every person that received medical attention had “loopbaan be-eindigende besering” (career ending injury)!

  • Comment 17, posted at 30.03.11 12:16:07 by kingshark Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 8) : Fair enough – but thenCSA should have demanded answers from him and the management team – andas this is of public interest (we pay for our tickets to go to games etc.) and we help “pay salaries” so to speak – does that not in a way “entitle” us to some answers?

    If my team at work is not up to par – “I” face the suites – I am their leader and should make sure they perform to at least standard. My manager might have appointed me – but I make the decisions and they rely on me to make the right ones.

  • Comment 18, posted at 30.03.11 12:18:25 by Ice Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 13) : They will need all the Tax breaks they can get. After all no bonuses for not winning 😉

  • Comment 19, posted at 30.03.11 12:20:04 by Viking Reply
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  • @kingshark (Comment 16) : I agree!

    @kingshark (Comment 17) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 20, posted at 30.03.11 12:21:15 by Ice Reply
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  • @kingshark (Comment 16) : Kingshark did you even read this article, what is your entitlement, to how a person earns their money or even more importantly how he saves on his taxes by staying out of the country. He has a God given talent to play cricket, that does not entitle you to tell him how he uses it does it??

  • Comment 21, posted at 30.03.11 12:22:58 by Whindy Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 20) : Just read your previous comments – seems we thought along the same lines!

    Fact is that everybody needs to be held accountable for their actions.

  • Comment 22, posted at 30.03.11 12:24:19 by kingshark Reply
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  • ..The “experts” we have in the studio and in the commentary booth .. 😐

  • Comment 23, posted at 30.03.11 12:24:24 by bergshark Reply

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  • @Whindy (Comment 21) : He chooses to “work” in the public eye. He yearns for the public’s adoration. Adoration is afforded the winners. Scorn for the losers.

    Don’t argue that he wants to play at the top due to some self fulfillment nonsense – then he could have taken up jukskei.

    Adoration and money. Both require supporters.

  • Comment 24, posted at 30.03.11 12:27:30 by kingshark Reply
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  • Cheers all – meetings the rest of the day. Feel free to tackle me later tonight!

  • Comment 25, posted at 30.03.11 12:28:25 by kingshark Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 8) : different sporting codes & federations impose different rules to sports personalities…for example in the UEFA champions league managers & players are required to attend press conferences before & after matches, this is mandatory and it doesn’t matter if your team lost because of a dubious red card.

    alex ferguson was forced to sit through one of these pressers even though he clearly didn’t want to discuss the rio ferdinand issue…he sat there red-nosed and sulking and then summarily left only for uefa to reprimand him.

    if newscorp put it in their contract that players must avail themselves for pressers then.they’d do it…no nonsense about rights

  • Comment 26, posted at 30.03.11 12:31:40 by Megatron Reply

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  • While I am no fan of Graeme Smith’s, I do have the following observation…

    I feel most of you on this blog, and definitely the “media” out there are targeting the wrong person with your critism. There is absolutely no way that Graeme would have gone to Ireland without the permission of his employers… therefore, is it not rather an indictment on CSA that they deemed it unnecessary for the Protea’s Captain to come back and face the public?

    For me, this says alot about CSA…

  • Comment 27, posted at 30.03.11 12:32:45 by CS Reply

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  • And furthermore…

    In this day and age of modern technology, how archaic that the media want Graeme to be physically sitting in front of them so they can “eye-ball” him and throw questions his way. A pro-active media person could’ve set up a teleconference, skype, or any other forum to ask Smith for his opinions! Did anyone even try that?

  • Comment 28, posted at 30.03.11 12:37:06 by CS Reply

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  • @CS (Comment 27) : See my comment 18..

  • Comment 29, posted at 30.03.11 12:37:34 by Ice Reply
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  • @kingshark (Comment 24) : I am not arguing that, I am arguing the point that if he needs to stay out of the country for 7 more days to avoid paying 47% tax on the money he earns at the IPL, then that is his right and he does not need to answer to anybody about that. I don’t remember even saying anything about fulfillment, they have a limited time to earn their money and they have the right to make as much as they can. You as a supporter have the same right; you don’t have to watch Cricket!!

  • Comment 30, posted at 30.03.11 12:37:54 by Whindy Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 18) :

    That is however CSA’s job, and CSA as an organisation will be judged on how they run their company, it has nothing to do with us.

    We ‘invest’ in sport for our own enjoyment. If the product is not satisfactory, move on or stop investing. We invest in a whole lot of things in life for no other reason than pure enjoyment, it is your choice to continue or stop at any point – it remains a choice, it does not however constitute entitlement. Will you tell Simba how to make chips or better chips if the investment you made in Pick and Pay to buy that product is not to your liking?

    @kingshark (Comment 16) :

    They represent their country on a sports field, playing a sport, not providing critical services. They don’t need to answer to anyone really.

    Also, what do they really need to answer to? Us? How can we judge them?

    Ice’s example is quite nice here, she is judged and has to accept the responsibility if the criticism comes from her peers.

    If I told her how to do her job, she would told me to go sit on something and rotate.

    The only people that are entitled to an answer are those who invest in them directly, and professionally – that would include their employet, CSA, and associated sponsors.

    I mentioned in my article how I always used to make a mockery of fans ‘entitlement’ to sports people or teams with our belief we ‘own’ them…

    Our only investment in sport is by voluntary association, or choice – even at national level. As with any investment, if the returns disappoint you, stop, or disaccosiate…

    The only time we are owed anything, even an explanation, is when we are part of that very system, organisation or team of individuals.

    So unless any of us owns shares in CSA, Adidas or those companies, we are not entitled to anything.

  • Comment 31, posted at 30.03.11 12:46:46 by Morné Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 30) : There is still plenty of time to build up your 60 credits for tax evasion. Does not necessarily have to be done now. Working outside of SA? More like working on that new brunette…

  • Comment 32, posted at 30.03.11 12:47:16 by Viking Reply
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  • @Viking (Comment 32) : Agreed,the poor oke has not had anything since Minky dumped him. 😆 60 days has to be consecutive and they have been out for a long time so why not do it now, their next tour may not be as long as this and then they are stuck with paying the tax and on the sort of money they get it, would be worth it to get it done!!

  • Comment 33, posted at 30.03.11 12:51:43 by Whindy Reply
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  • @CS (Comment 27) :

    Also a good point…

  • Comment 34, posted at 30.03.11 12:57:18 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 31) : I understand the essence of that – BUT the rope does not end there IMO – this is a circle to me. We support the people who sponsor them – not purely for enjoyment but for everyday living. If we did not do that, the sponsors would not have had enough money to sponsor. If we dont go to games, ther would not be money made to pay these professional sports people, so their ‘jobs’ will become redundend.

    Same if I dont deliver a service to my clients, they will stop byuing from us and the company will close down – bose kringloop.

    Thing is – it starts with us as consumers, who entitels these big companies to become sponsors. Then we as supporters who ensures in a way that these guys actually have jobs and stadiums do not go to rubble…surely that give us some sort of entitelment? What would happen if we take our support away completely? Absolutely ziltch – we would not even have a Bok team or provincial team of a Graeme Smith to ask some questions too….

  • Comment 35, posted at 30.03.11 12:58:54 by Ice Reply
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  • Ask yourselves this question…

    If we had won, and Graeme didn’t come back with the team, would everyone still have been so angered at his not coming straight home? I’m guessing not…

  • Comment 36, posted at 30.03.11 13:01:32 by CS Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 35) : And Ice that is again your right to voice your displeasure by not supporting them or not buying the product they endorse, you can be sure a company will not sponsor a losing team, but these guys have been winning and yes they blew it but is it necessary for them to be flogged for that. I still think everybody is a bit too emotional about it. When we beat the Aussies we adored them. you have to take the rough with the smooth, we have built this world cup choke into a noose around our necks we need to get over it and then I bet you we would win, but till then, we just have to keep supporting (or not supporting). I was trying to remember, if Hansie got the same treatment after the 1999 world cup, when he did not return immediately, but have to be honest and say “ek raak oud” and cant remember!!

  • Comment 37, posted at 30.03.11 13:10:21 by Whindy Reply
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  • @CS (Comment 36) : Good point, but I wonder if he would have forgone the adoration and glory,if we had won, to be in Ireland with his stukkie or avoid tax. So there are for and against arguments where he is concerned!!

  • Comment 38, posted at 30.03.11 13:13:17 by Whindy Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 35) :

    Make no mistake, sport people and sport teams loves the belief that they are owned, fans association is built on this.

    How many times do you read our hear, ‘our fans’, ‘being part of the team’ blah blah blah.

    Your believe in entitlement is what keeps them alive.

    But in reality, you do not own a thing.

    You can still choose to shop at Mr. Price or Ackermans, change subscriptions from Vodacom to Cell C, it remains a choice, its not a circle.

    We demand performance as fans, but we have no idea how to achieve these levels we want to see from our teams.

    We demand answers as fans, but are not really asking the questions to find answers, we just want to blame.

    We want to be entertained, and we will pay for it.

    One really kak movie at the cinema’s will not stop you from ever going again, because not one experience will ever be the same.

    Still does not entitle us to demand answers from Ster Kinekor for screening what was an obviously kak movie to all that saw it…

    Stadiums will remain, teams will remain, because we are willing to pay for the entertainment it provides.

    Don’t forget, losing is also entertainment, just not the kind you like to pay for…

  • Comment 39, posted at 30.03.11 13:16:26 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 34) : @Morné (Comment 31) : if that is the case then the proteas or any other team for that matter can stuff off and play in empty stadiums because they think they are only answerable to themselves!

    The proteas are a SOUTH AFRICAN national team’ CSA is mandated by the government to run that team for the citizens of south africa!

    These federations want autonomy from government/citizens yet when they want to bid for world cups they want to use MY tax money to pay the IRB or ICC…they can stuff off with their attitudes.

    When these people want to market their new kit, sponsors, etc we the public & journos are called up to press junkets – why was there a fancy send-off for the proteas with people wishing them all the best of they are only answerable to themselves?

    Barring ill health or bereavement smith should’ve respected the people of this country and faced them in the same way he did before he left asking for support!

  • Comment 40, posted at 30.03.11 13:19:43 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 40) :

    Did they ever divert from their mandate?

    Did they deliberately throw the match, embarrassed their country and government?

    Did the running water stop in your house or any essential services disappear?

    Or was it a case of a team, in a sport, which is for your enjoyment alone, not being good enough on the day?

    Perhaps let me ask you this.

    What is it you want answered?

    What do you want Graeme Smith to face up to? What exactly did you expect him to say?

    Sorry?

  • Comment 41, posted at 30.03.11 13:25:33 by Morné Reply
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  • What makes me sick is seeing the players arrive at the airport smilling and the people who were there, aplauding them. They need to realise they will have to start earning some respect and support. I myself will not go watch a Protea game any time soon. The players need to realise they aren’t just guys with fat wallets, they represent their countrys, and if they can’t realise this get some guys in that will play with pride!

  • Comment 42, posted at 30.03.11 13:27:56 by Ben Reply
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  • @CS (Comment 36) : Oh but he would have come back with the team, no ways he would miss out on that glory and praise that would have come his way. And that ultimately is the issue for me. Forget the journalist (sorry Morne) but there are loyal supporters, mothers, fathers, snotty nosed kids, people that supported them the whole way who want to see their heroes and its those people that must feel that Smith is giving them the middle finger.

  • Comment 43, posted at 30.03.11 13:29:20 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Need to run again, later.

  • Comment 44, posted at 30.03.11 13:29:26 by Morné Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 43) :

    Don’t ever call me a journo!!! 😉

    I don’t get paid for writing!!! 😈

  • Comment 45, posted at 30.03.11 13:30:30 by Morné Reply
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  • Out.

  • Comment 46, posted at 30.03.11 13:30:51 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 41) : what did corrie van zyl do? Did come in here and slink off to his farm im Bloem to be with his wife? No, he faced up to the media. If smith doesn’t want to take on the responsibilities of being national captain then he should’ve relinquished the post long ago! He can’t only want to be around for ‘pats on the back’ for series wins against india

    he must stand up and be answerable when things go haywire…

    Your little taunts about water & stuff re just puerile…

  • Comment 47, posted at 30.03.11 13:34:38 by Megatron Reply

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  • Excellent article Morne and one of the best of yours I;ve read.

    I agree completely and have no issue with Smithers taking time out and not returning with the team. He has a life outside of cricket but, even more importantly, he is no longer the captain!

    Yes we lost, boo hoo. Its a knock-out competition and cricket is often a funny game. Get over it, we cant be the best at absolutely everything.

    Back to Smith. There’s not a whole lot for him to say and, as Morne so rightly pointed out, he does not answer to the public, he answers to his employers, being SA Cricket.
    Spectators are consumers of a product, no different from any other. We do not employ him, we only enjoy the product him and SA Cricekt offers.

    And anyway, what will sitting in a press conference listening to half-witted journalists try to wind hiom up help anything?

    And lastly – even if he was in the employ of the specatators (which he is not) he has subsequently resigned.

    Nothing wrong with what you did Biff. Give a middle finger to anybody who tells you otherwise.

  • Comment 48, posted at 30.03.11 13:39:01 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 45) : 😀 Sorry Morne, 😉
    Come on Rob, pay the man for all the good work he does.

  • Comment 49, posted at 30.03.11 13:41:41 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 47) :

    Mega, dude calm down. Smith is no longer the captain and chose to take time out before retunring to SA and having to confront angry, aggressive fans.
    And he’s resigned from his role as a result.

    Do you think he’s more or less upset about losing than you? When you answer that questin you might gain some perspective?
    Or do you just want to see him cry on TV, ala Richie McCaw, 2007?
    Will that make you feel better – to know he’s feeling sorry for himself? Sheesh mate, now thats puerile.

  • Comment 50, posted at 30.03.11 13:43:03 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 49) :

    Define good.

  • Comment 51, posted at 30.03.11 13:43:23 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 51) :

    Oh, and that was a JOKE.

  • Comment 52, posted at 30.03.11 13:43:45 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 43) :

    How many of thsoe people would make the effort to get to the airport?
    Or does sitting on your ass in front of the TV qualify as support?

  • Comment 53, posted at 30.03.11 13:44:51 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 47) :

    Back, useless conference call.

    You brought government and mandates in to make this a matter of national importance.

    And I asked you, answer to what?

    What would he have needed to say to make us all feel all warm and fuzzy inside again?

    What ‘questions’ exactly would he have needed to answer?

    What right in fact do you and I have to scrutinize him or any other player on a situation we do not have the first clue of?

    Now all of a sudden, the media and fans are ‘enraged’ because he did not attend a media conference where in fact you are about as likely to find answers to failures in sport as you are finding a win at Ellis Park?

  • Comment 54, posted at 30.03.11 13:46:48 by Morné Reply
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  • The point is: It would have been the decent thing to do – KLAAR!

    No matter if we own him or not, no matter who’s arguing what.

  • Comment 55, posted at 30.03.11 13:47:22 by Ice Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 48) :

    Yeah he made his resignation public even before the event, but even that is a moot point.

    Oh and thanks!

  • Comment 56, posted at 30.03.11 13:50:30 by Morné Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 55) :

    Maybe Ice. But still – to what end?
    Is it simply because you want to see him contrite?

    Big bloody deal.

    Would love to do a survey and compare those that still support Hansie with those that are upset that Biff didnt come home.

    Because, cut it whichever way you like, that’s the rub. A lot of people, and unfortunately mostly Afrikaans or north of the Jukskei, have been looking forward to the day when they can put the boot into Smith and now they’re upset he’s not playing their game.

  • Comment 57, posted at 30.03.11 13:51:24 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 52) : I know, You always give Morne credit for his articles. 😎

  • Comment 58, posted at 30.03.11 13:51:43 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • And, just from Smith’s perspective, he’s no longer the man of the hour. And those that dislike him will still dislike him, irrespective of what he did or said after the game.
    And those that understand cricket will likewise still reflect on the fact that he is an outstanding cricketer and captain.

  • Comment 59, posted at 30.03.11 13:53:32 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 58) :

    Dont want to upset him when he’s scribed a howler… 😎

  • Comment 60, posted at 30.03.11 13:54:30 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 55) :

    KLAAR sort of closes the possibility of debate doesn’t it?

    I thought Smith was excellent in the post-match interview after this game.

    He was honest, diplomatic and still an ambassador even when it was clear he was broken up inside.

    Funnily enough, I am no fan of Smith, never been. It just so happens that the one of three examples I highlighted in my article received all the attention…

  • Comment 61, posted at 30.03.11 13:54:42 by Morné Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 53) :
    There were apparently many supporters waiting for the team at the airport. Its those that I feel sorry for. I personally dont give hoot what he does, havent for many years now.

  • Comment 62, posted at 30.03.11 13:55:52 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 57) : Lets face it he has not always endeared himeself to the public, and being an arrogant soutie has not helped his cause, either.

  • Comment 63, posted at 30.03.11 13:56:05 by Whindy Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 58) :

    Bloody hell he is probably my most fierce critic!!! 😉 So its quite a compliment!

  • Comment 64, posted at 30.03.11 13:56:08 by Morné Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 50) : look at ricky ponting, he could’ve resigned in india already and flown off to st barts BUT no, he didn’t. He went back to aus and faced the media scrutiny and answered questioned and doesn’t have his intergrity questioned as such.

    It’s about respecting the fans.

    I don’t care if smith cried of whatever, show some class and return to face the people you made promises to before you left!

  • Comment 65, posted at 30.03.11 14:00:09 by Megatron Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 59) : There is no doubt that he is a very talented cricketer and captain, I think even those that dont like him will concede that.

  • Comment 66, posted at 30.03.11 14:03:36 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Who is his Irish bird? Is she famous like Minkie?

  • Comment 67, posted at 30.03.11 14:05:19 by McLovin Reply

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  • Apparently she calls him ‘babaloo’. Wonder if that’s Irish for ‘bokkie’? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 68, posted at 30.03.11 14:11:37 by McLovin Reply

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  • No Vinnie – that’s what I would have done. I lead the team, I returm with them. Simple as that. I don’t give a shit who asked him what, there are just sometimes ways that are accepted as acceptable. And coming from a WC, it would have been correct in my books.

  • Comment 69, posted at 30.03.11 14:13:20 by Ice Reply
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  • As for Smith not coming back to face the public, I don’t care! For all that I care the lot of them could have stayed in india and bought themselves some nice houses there.

  • Comment 70, posted at 30.03.11 14:15:05 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 69) : How big is your team, I just need to know in case you pitch up with all of them for your braai.

  • Comment 71, posted at 30.03.11 14:16:40 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 70) :

    😆

  • Comment 72, posted at 30.03.11 14:17:07 by Morné Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 68) :
    Sounds Jungle Bookish or even maybe from Durban.

  • Comment 73, posted at 30.03.11 14:17:55 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 67) : she’s a popstarlet apparently…

  • Comment 74, posted at 30.03.11 14:18:47 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 61) : The Smith example was just the most “clear” one, I think that’s why. Dewald is confronted by individuals – I think the last example is more easily debatable if you could say so.

    I dont even watch cricket anymore, like I used to…so perhaps I am the last one to argue the “Smith” debate – so Vin, this is not a Afrikaans thing and me wanting him to go – it could have been Koos vd Merwe for all I care..:wink:

    @Salmonoid (Comment 71) : Seven strong Sammy! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 75, posted at 30.03.11 14:20:54 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 69) : I bet you Biff doesn’t pay his TV license either :mrgreen:

  • Comment 76, posted at 30.03.11 14:21:26 by CS Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 74) : I thought so too, but my ‘research’ suggests she’s a teacher. Though I could be wrong. 🙂

  • Comment 77, posted at 30.03.11 14:21:32 by McLovin Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 67) : @McLovin (Comment 68) :

    Dude, you are crazy!! 😈 😆

  • Comment 78, posted at 30.03.11 14:22:30 by wpw Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 69) : we’re on the same page ice 😛

    it’s called respecting your audience.

  • Comment 79, posted at 30.03.11 14:22:54 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 72) : So you still support Smit at SB captain? 😈

  • Comment 80, posted at 30.03.11 14:24:32 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 75) :

    I think its the degree of emotion associated to it and of course the timing.

    If this was a Bulls fan page, I would imagine a whole host of Potgieter comments would have come through.

    Must say I found his victim complex in his latest article a bit surprising, but no-where near as surprising as a recent article I read about Bjorn Basson.

  • Comment 81, posted at 30.03.11 14:25:13 by Morné Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 77) : Good she can teach him some common decency and manners! 😈

    @Megatron (Comment 79) : We ARE, arent we!!?? Hell, now its gonna snow! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 82, posted at 30.03.11 14:25:44 by Ice Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 77) : Looks like I am wrong. 😆 Ol’ Smittie proving to be quite the lover. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 83, posted at 30.03.11 14:25:56 by McLovin Reply

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  • @CS (Comment 76) :

    Hehe.

    @Pokkel (Comment 80) :

    Still support Smit, I actually have an article ready on him too which I decided to delay a bit due to the emotion attached to the recent Sharks defeats… 😉

  • Comment 84, posted at 30.03.11 14:26:32 by Morné Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 82) : Looks like he’s moved on from the teacher. 🙂

  • Comment 85, posted at 30.03.11 14:27:21 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 81) : By Dewald?

  • Comment 86, posted at 30.03.11 14:28:55 by Ice Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 83) : he must stop the “laken aerobics” and concentrate on his job! 😆

  • Comment 87, posted at 30.03.11 14:30:07 by Ice Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 85) : The new one’s from Cork. And you know what they say about Cork girls…. 😈

  • Comment 88, posted at 30.03.11 14:30:25 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 55) : so when i mentioned govt u thought ‘water’ hehehe…really now morne…

    These federations use MY money to bid & further their interests, do you think SARU had the £80 million that the IRB wanted as a guarantee to host the rugby world cup? Beggars can’t be choosers

    absa noted the slow pace of transformation in the currie cup and still people were mouthing off about autonomy…

    This is class-less from Smith…

  • Comment 89, posted at 30.03.11 14:30:42 by Megatron Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 85) :
    Geez, how often does this guy get dropped.

  • Comment 90, posted at 30.03.11 14:30:44 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 84) : There no emotion other than pride!! 😉

  • Comment 91, posted at 30.03.11 14:31:08 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 86) :

    Dewalds on SuperRugby – (click on the link in this article if you have not read it) being the victim complex one.

    Bjorn, article in SA Rugby, thought it was very arrogant.

  • Comment 92, posted at 30.03.11 14:32:08 by Morné Reply
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  • I have to admit I’m a big fan of Graeme Smith and I think he’s a great cricketer. I will eventually forgive the boys,I think that SA cricket will even be damned more when and if Johan Botha is appointed captain. I do not like the oke and I don’t think he’s got what it takes to lead us the way Smithie did.

  • Comment 93, posted at 30.03.11 14:32:16 by Ben Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 90) : 😈

  • Comment 94, posted at 30.03.11 14:33:23 by McLovin Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 92) : Is it a news arti on Basson – cannot seem to find it.. 😳

  • Comment 95, posted at 30.03.11 14:36:00 by Ice Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 30) : @Morné (Comment 31) : You both touch something very important. I told a mate of mine after the big choke that the only person I am angry with is myself. I have again invested hope where there are no dividends to be found.

  • Comment 96, posted at 30.03.11 14:37:55 by kingshark Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 89) :

    Are guarrantees actually paying money, or used as security? And what government would put up money, without any returns expected which you get from staging a world event?

    Moot point again.

    You and Ice seem to cite decency being the issue?

    Well then if we are taking the moral high ground here, how ‘decent’ do you think we are to our cricketers or sports people in general?

    Heroes when they win, scum of the earth when they lose – and this happens in 7 days or less!

    I have read many comments and even articles on this very blog going from one decent performance (a win) and the endless praises you guys give your team, to not even a week later Rob or someone else asking you to keep perspective and your emotions in check when there was a loss…

    That is just here, imagine (or even go look) how ‘decent’ sports fans in South Africa, or of South African teams have been to Graeme Smith and John Smit in recent times (not just the World Cup).

    And we demand common decency from them?

  • Comment 97, posted at 30.03.11 14:38:34 by Morné Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 95) :

    In SA Rugby mag sweety. Will probably be posted online closer to the end of April.

  • Comment 98, posted at 30.03.11 14:39:44 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 92) : Thing that stands out in Dewalds post…you can approach me as long as you say you love me…Otherwise i am the victim of an f-upped person?That’s just F-upped sorry. Yes what the other guy did was not right or let me rephrase – it could have been done more acceptable – the critisism.

    Maybe Smith is batting for the Bulls too… 😈 Run away to drown his sorrows with his girl (if I was her – he would have been flathanded!) – I agree with someone – Had we won – do you really think he would not have returned to be the glory boy with the trophy?? Somehow I find that hard to swallow.

  • Comment 99, posted at 30.03.11 14:42:12 by Ice Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 65) :

    Big difference of course being that Smith resigned before goign on tour, not due to being knocked out of the WC.

    And Ponting has reason to be incredibly contrite. He’s lost three ashes series now and this was really his chance to redeem himself.
    Lets not also forget they were defending champions and have won the last three tournies so there was reaosnable expectation on him.

  • Comment 100, posted at 30.03.11 14:45:35 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 97) : Yes…
    My mom said “you must always be the better person”.. :mrgreen: 😈

    @Morné (Comment 98) : Ohhhhhhhh 😳 😆

  • Comment 101, posted at 30.03.11 14:47:01 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 99) :

    Be careful with assumptions, I have not heard about the tax angle until I read the comments here today, if it is the case, I cannot see him returning even with the trophy meaning his reasons for not returning has nothing to do with cricket in the first place.

  • Comment 102, posted at 30.03.11 14:49:18 by Morné Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 101) :

    Mine said you receive what you dish out! 😉

  • Comment 103, posted at 30.03.11 14:51:06 by Morné Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 99) :

    But ja, Dewald does seem to project a bit of a victim angle there.

  • Comment 104, posted at 30.03.11 14:51:46 by Morné Reply
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  • Questions that Biff needed to answer if he was man enough to accompany his fellow chokers back home:

    Given your poor performance in all your games would it not have been an idea to drop yourself for a game or two, to give you time to ‘pull yourself towards yourself’?

    Why do you automatically place yourself and Kallis on every games team sheet and then draw straws for the rest of your team?

    Who is responsible for our diabolical performance – the selectors, the coach, the captain or the players?

    Against England and New Zealand, did you or did you not tell your team to go out and chase the actual two low score targets required as opposed to getting out and there and playing positively as if we are chasing a score of 300 runs?

    Are you comfortable with the way the majority of your players, including yourself, project themselves as ‘wannabe celebrities’ on and off the field?

    How can you possibly allow JP Duminy to bowl with sunglasses on?

    Is it really necessary for you to pout your lips, puff out your cheeks and snort like a donkey every time you walk off the field?

    Did your mother never teach you to chew with your mouth closed?

    Hell, I could go on and on but am just getting irked all over again.

    To those of you that keep on harping on that there were no questions to be asked, think again!

  • Comment 105, posted at 30.03.11 14:58:14 by Panache Reply

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  • Ag BOO HOO Dewaldt Potgieter, you’re a sportsman and you choose that career. You will be criticized, so deal with it! Cry me a freaking river. He want to bneat the guy to death, but didn’t. Shows what type of guy he is. He’s got big things planned for Derick Kuun. Wow that sounds kinky!

  • Comment 106, posted at 30.03.11 14:59:47 by Ben Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 103) : Wise Mom, yours…Should have told Smith Mom to teach him that.. 😈

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  • @Ice (Comment 107) :

    😆

  • Comment 108, posted at 30.03.11 15:05:34 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 97) :

    I dont see how its relevant anyway Morne.
    Again, spectators are consumers, not shareholders.

    This “its my money” nonsense is just that – nonsense. Its not your money. Its the administrators money that they managed to get you to part with as payment for consuming their product.
    Every person has a choice whether they spend their money on sport or whatever they decide to spend it on. Once you’ve spent the money its no longer yours!

    Feel free to no longer watch cricket and thus “keep your money”.

  • Comment 109, posted at 30.03.11 15:14:42 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 99) : The great thing about playing for the Bulls. You have to deal with their fans, and I have to say they aren’t the nicest lot.

  • Comment 110, posted at 30.03.11 15:25:52 by Ben Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 109) :

    Spot on.

  • Comment 111, posted at 30.03.11 15:27:56 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 111) : Do you think Dewaldt is right in crying to the public about the criticism he receives?

  • Comment 112, posted at 30.03.11 15:31:19 by Ben Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 109) : this guy was representing SOUTH AFRICA, not himself, not a franchise, not CSA, the country!

    Who makes up the country? Us the citizens! If he gets caught with weed or hookers, he disgraces us,

    It’s uncouth of him to not comeback and face the people of this country!

    They lie and say representing your country is the HIGHEST HONOUR meanwhile the only people they praise are the ‘shareholder’ stuff them!

  • Comment 113, posted at 30.03.11 15:32:25 by Megatron Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 109) : @Morné (Comment 111) :

    Again – I argue that you are right – in black and white, he owes no-one nothing…

    But that is not reality (with emotions, morals, the-right-thing) – in that sense I maintain that what he did was not right. He showed no respect by doing it. I am almost certain that did he come back, face the music if he had too – people would have had a higher regard of him – does not matter the reason he stayed – people will think he ran away from “duty” and with that not showing any respect to them as fans by doing so).

  • Comment 114, posted at 30.03.11 15:37:52 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 112) :

    It is difficult to be honest.

    Nobody likes criticism let’s be fair, even if that criticism is sometimes justified.

    I am not Dewald nor have I ever been good enough to play at that level, but I had my fair share of involvement with top sportsmen and teams to know how helpless and frustrated they sometimes are by the lack of understanding for the situation by the media (and because of the media) the public. (We believe what we read).

    So when a guy you don’t know from a bar of soap walks up to you, tells you that you are overrated I can understand why someone would want to klap some sense into him because I can almost guarrantee this guy hasn’t got a clue.

    On the flip-side, Dewald chose his life and career, part of this means he is in the public eye and he will have to learn to deal with criticism like that.

    But you can imagine the emotions these guys, especially the young ones who need to complete their rounds around the block, go through when one guy in isle 1 tells you that you are shit, and then another guy (or girl) mobs you on the way to your car wanting your autograph telling you that they love you and you’re their favourite player.

    Dewald’s mistake here is that he shared his emotion he felt at the time.

    I can relate to that emotion, but given his stature and position in public, you need to learn that certain things are better left unsaid and just smile and wave…

  • Comment 115, posted at 30.03.11 15:38:43 by Morné Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 113) :

    Mate, comparing this with weed or hookers is ridiculous and ruins your argument.

    He has absolutely nothing in the public eye or representing South Africa for you to ever call him uncouth.

    Uncouth isnt even the right word to use there unfortunately.
    Because uncouth he certainly is not.

    Anyway he doesnt owe you anything – BECAUSE HE IS NO LONGER THE CAPTAIN!!
    More so because by the sounds of things you’re a fair weather fan anyway!

  • Comment 116, posted at 30.03.11 15:43:14 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 115) : Agree with you, especially you’re last paragraph. He chose this career and has to live with the criticism. If you can’t handle the heat get out of the kitchen. But he shouldn’t go and moan about it to the public that’s just unproffesional. You don’t see John Smit crying about how this guy drove by him and gave him a finger and shouted that he is kak.

    Although is wasn’t right from that guy to tell him he’s the most overrated player out there, that’s not true, Pierre Spies deserves that tittle! 😉

  • Comment 117, posted at 30.03.11 15:45:04 by Ben Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 115) :

    I tried to elude to this fact in the article, all the groups I mentioned all have a responsibility, Dewald has to accept his, so to the media, and supporters.

  • Comment 118, posted at 30.03.11 15:45:15 by Morné Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 114) :

    Ice, I think we finally agree. I dont think what he did was right and I think it showed a lack of respect.

    But then when I read the rubbish that is written about him every single day (long before the WC) I will note that many fans simply dont give him the respect he deserves either.

    Unfortunately I dont think SA has very knowledgeable cricket fans and it all comes out the moment we lose.

  • Comment 119, posted at 30.03.11 15:45:49 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • Anycase must be off, thanks for the comments and general chat.

  • Comment 120, posted at 30.03.11 15:47:38 by Morné Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 117) :

    Agree absolutely on Pierre Spies.

    I find it deeply ironic that we, as fans, clamour for soundbites and love quoting our coaches and players and criticising them when they’re less than forthright.
    The moment they’re honest though, as Dewaldt was, again they get chastised and “maybe he shouldnt have chosen that career” sort of commetns come out.

    It really is a lose-lose situation for most sportsmen.
    Keep quiet and you’re being aloof and arrogant.
    Answer a question honestly (or just write an honest blog) and again they attract criticism.

  • Comment 121, posted at 30.03.11 15:48:41 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 121) : Yip its a lose lose situation all the way for the sports icons out there. The fact that he mentioned that the guy criticized him is okay and can be understanded, but the other part he mentioned about his emotionions of wanting to take his cheese and shove it down the guys throat and beat him to death, that’s just not on. And he really should keep that to himself.

  • Comment 122, posted at 30.03.11 15:58:53 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 122) : That’s just my opinion. Maybe some people like it when they read stuff like, “I wanted to beat him to death”. I don’t think its a Proffesional thing to say.

  • Comment 123, posted at 30.03.11 16:03:20 by Ben Reply
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  • Great article. No one has the right to question Smiths decisions to do what he wants. We dont own him.

  • Comment 124, posted at 30.03.11 16:31:53 by billy Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 116) : hehe who died and left to you the moral high ground you think you occupy? Pfft get off your high horse, if morne is to be believed, these okes don’t care what you think either 😀

  • Comment 125, posted at 30.03.11 17:06:39 by Megatron Reply

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  • gee Morne this one is great and true and my very long too, can you ever write a short thread Joking my friend

    get back to what you said and yes i did read it all

    i guess what you say is true i think if it was me and i did my best for my country and the other team got the best of the team and i had a loved one i would of done just the same gee he did what he could of done to come back straight away would it of made a diff i don’t think so and loved ones do come 1st after you did your country proud gee other teams were out in weeks so we never made it so what the Boks never made it to years ago and then made it to the WC and won so give yourself a break and enjoy the press can come and do there thing later

  • Comment 126, posted at 30.03.11 17:43:00 by chaz Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 122) :

    Why is it not on? He didnt do it, did he?

    Its a bit tough that we expect these boys to go out to battle week in, wek out and dont think he should be frustrated when some doos insults him in public?
    Just my thoughts on the matter…

  • Comment 127, posted at 30.03.11 17:45:43 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 125) :

    Lol.

  • Comment 128, posted at 30.03.11 17:46:36 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 127) : No he didn’t do it but like I said its unprofessional. One would not expect a proffesional sportsman to say something like that. He should keep that to himself. He could just have said he wanted to give the guy a klap.

  • Comment 129, posted at 30.03.11 17:52:03 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 129) :

    I respectfully disagree.
    Rugby is a contact sport – have you ever heard boxers in the lead-up to a fight?

  • Comment 130, posted at 30.03.11 18:00:29 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 130) : Haha yes boxers are another story alltoghether as they are taunting their oponent.

    Let me explain myself here, I’m a full blooded sharks fan and let’s say Willem Alberts went out and wrote something like that. I would feel ashamed because he represents the Sharks and he’s a icon and I do not expect my icons to behave like that. Rugby is a contact sport you’re right. But then you use that aggresiveness on the field.

  • Comment 131, posted at 30.03.11 18:06:24 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 131) : with out getting caught and off with a Y or a R card

  • Comment 132, posted at 30.03.11 18:09:04 by chaz Reply

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  • @chaz (Comment 132) : Didn’t mean it by playing dirty.

  • Comment 133, posted at 30.03.11 18:13:27 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 133) : i know

    aggresiveness think leeds to sth like if you can’t help yourself and it’s top of the moment think in other words do before you think and when you do think its a bit too late so don’t get caught

    :mrgreen: 😉

  • Comment 134, posted at 30.03.11 18:29:08 by chaz Reply

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  • Public figures get paid big money because they are PUBLIC figures. Yes, I’m a consumer, but I consume the product they dish up, and I expect quality – they owe me that much, leave alone leveraging their status as sportsmen representing OUR country – hence the big premium for adverts featuring Bok players.

    But I don’t care who agrees with me anyway – sports are emotional outlets anyway. Screw you all. 😆

  • Comment 135, posted at 30.03.11 18:32:07 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @chaz (Comment 134) : He should use his aggresiveness to run over players and tackle them harder. Nothing to get caught for.

  • Comment 136, posted at 30.03.11 18:33:09 by Ben Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 135) :

    When we become emotional, we become irrational.

    And Saffa’s get very emotional when we lose.

  • Comment 137, posted at 30.03.11 18:39:01 by Morné Reply
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  • Dewaldt should use that criticism as motivation to go out there and prove them wrong. Let’s face it he is a little overrated.

  • Comment 138, posted at 30.03.11 18:39:06 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 138) :

    Lol. Very good!

  • Comment 139, posted at 30.03.11 18:42:38 by VinChainSaw Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 136) : yes i know but then you tackle and it turns out the wrong way and bubs your uncle

    like you tackle from behind and your head goes abit faster than you want and you get caught for a DT

    was just saying

    thats the way i see it many diff ways of the tackling thing that goes with the Aggressive thing 🙂

  • Comment 140, posted at 30.03.11 18:45:55 by chaz Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 138) : agree to
    overrated :mrgreen:

  • Comment 141, posted at 30.03.11 18:47:21 by chaz Reply

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  • @chaz (Comment 140) : Shit I forgot who we were talking about when I said he should run over the other players. Its Dewaldt Potgieter, he can’t do that. 🙂

  • Comment 142, posted at 30.03.11 18:53:15 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 142) : 😉

  • Comment 143, posted at 30.03.11 19:00:13 by chaz Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 137) :
    True. But emotion makes people pay R300 for a cheap Chinese t-shirt with their team’s name one, or fly from Saudi Arabia to watch a single game.

    You have to accept both sides of the coin.

  • Comment 144, posted at 30.03.11 19:15:02 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 144) :

    Allow me to quote:

    At the best of times this is an uncomfortable marriage, but also a very necessary one.

  • Comment 145, posted at 30.03.11 19:30:26 by Morné Reply
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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 130) : Nope, ballroom dancing is a contact sport, Rugby is a collision sport. 😉 😛

  • Comment 146, posted at 30.03.11 20:15:01 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 145) : what you have in graeme smith is a primadonna husband who goes out hunting for food and upon dismally missing all the game out there in the veld decides not to come home to his wife & kids but visits his mate on the other side of the river for root beer and sh*ts & giggles 😉

  • Comment 147, posted at 30.03.11 20:30:38 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 147) :
    Wow… Now THERE is an analogy from left field!

  • Comment 148, posted at 30.03.11 21:22:35 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Well written article…agree with everything. Those who have a “but”, simply want blood. We need to put things in persepctive, especially when the reality of it all is that we all lose sometime – and having others to take the blame take the spotlight from our own mistakes.

  • Comment 149, posted at 31.03.11 10:59:19 by Just a Fan Reply

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