Richard Ferguson

Sharks make three changes


Written by Richard Ferguson (Richard Ferguson)

Posted in :Lions, Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 7 Apr 2011 at 14:21
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The Sharks coach has named his side to face the Lions this weekend, with three changes to side, all of which happen in the tight five. John Smit has been appointed captain of the side after replacing Beast Mtawarira in the loosehead position.

Jannie du Plessis has been given a break and has been replaced by the impressive Eugene van Staden, who gets his first start of the season. The other change is an injury enforced change to the lock pairing where Alistair Hargreaves has been ruled out for three weeks and Gerhard Mostert gets a much awaited start.

The backline remains unchanged with Jacques-Louis Potgieter still in the pivot position and the centre combination that did so well against the Stormers last weekend. The back three of Odwa Ndungane, JP Pietersen and Louis Ludik will hope to get in amongst the tries this weekend.

The team:

1. John Smit (Captain), 2. Bismarck du Plessis, 3. Eugene van Staden, 4. Steven Sykes, 5. Gerhard Mostert, 6. Keegan Daniel, 7. Willem Alberts, 8. Ryan Kankowski, 9. Charl McLeod, 10. Jacques-Louis Potgieter, 11. JP Pietersen, 12. Meyer Bosman, 13. Stefan Terblanche, 14. Odwa Ndungane, 15. Louis Ludik

Replacements: 16. Tendai Mtawarira, 17. Jannie du Plessis, 18. Ross Skeate, 19. Jacques Botes, 20. Conrad Hoffmann, 21. Adrian Jacobs, 22. Lwazi Mvovo


125 Comments

  • Thought Lambie was making a return this week 😥

    Will need to revisit last week’s game, I wasn’t overly impressed by our centre combination. I think Plum should give AD a crack in the starting line up ahead of the skipper.

    Mvovo is getting a raw deal by starting from the bench. Pietersen has failed to impress.

  • Comment 1, posted at 07.04.11 14:27:24 by Starvekos Reply
     
  • Man. we really should win against the Lions, but I’m still a little nervous after the three weeks we had. Go Sharkies!

  • Comment 2, posted at 07.04.11 14:28:06 by Letgo Reply
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  • what is the collective thought of our captain packing down at prop?glad van Staden gets a chance to start, we should have too much fire power. Trust our set piece functions, Macky at 9 needs to show who’s boss, Rory will be breathing piss and vinegar. Deysel returns with Lambie after the bye. Come on Sharks!!!

  • Comment 3, posted at 07.04.11 14:32:04 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @Starvekos (Comment 1) : senior players have right of way it seems, but Pietersen has a higher work rate and I think that could be the deciding factor, I rate Mvovo, but know The Sharks are working on making him complete. Mvovo is a wunderkid too and quite enjoy the prospect of his explosiveness being available on the bench.

  • Comment 4, posted at 07.04.11 14:37:46 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 3) : The captain at prop – I don’t like it at all! They should play him at Hooker. But whatever, Plum knows more than us so I’ll respect his decisions.

  • Comment 5, posted at 07.04.11 14:39:44 by Ben Reply
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  • Thought Stefan’s gonna sit this one out…taking a well deserved rest…or at least on the bench, seeing that the Captain is starting…

  • Comment 6, posted at 07.04.11 14:42:12 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 5) : Yes, John Smit should’ve played hooker with Bismarck getting some bench time, how is our loosehead prop stocks looking in terms of quality, how are the Vodacom Cup props performing? Chadwick and (N)Hlapo right?

  • Comment 7, posted at 07.04.11 14:44:33 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @Charlie (Comment 6) : the occassion is too big for Stef to get rest, crucial game, plus epic milestone.

  • Comment 8, posted at 07.04.11 14:45:53 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • No logic in the Smit move.

    Absolutely none I can see.

  • Comment 9, posted at 07.04.11 14:47:56 by Morné Reply
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  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 3) :
    Prefer him at hooker but can live with him at prop, his lock and flank must come to the party too.

  • Comment 10, posted at 07.04.11 14:48:45 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • I would have started Smit at hooker and given Adi a start but then I’m not the coach and rightly so.

  • Comment 11, posted at 07.04.11 14:48:51 by war1 Reply
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  • here is my 5 cents worth…

    smitty has battled @ prop after dropping weight to play hooker, so i would have kept jannie in the side to beef it up a bit and kept eugene on the bench…

    we will see how mostert fairs up but its a good thing having a player like skeate on the bench in case…rather this way than the other way round…

    would have liked to have seen botes start…he been benching most of the season and will never let us down…

    i am still lost for words how lwazi is not playing ahead of jp who has failed to impress since his return from injury…

    adi j has to step up to the plate now and prove his worth cause he has been off his game of late but i guess still has a lot to offer…

  • Comment 12, posted at 07.04.11 14:48:51 by Barrel Reply

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  • Trust me. Beast must be getting very itchy on the bench. Surely he wouldn’t be happy there ?

  • Comment 13, posted at 07.04.11 14:49:33 by Speed7 Reply

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  • the whole 2 debate…how do you choose…bizzie is all over the place like a flank but is battling with line outs…smitty is captain and will never let you down and is a better line out thrower…

    RCW verdict…smitty is going and as captain…

    i would start with smitty for the first 20 and bring bizzy on and then bring smitty back on for the last 20 when the games are tight and a cool calm head is needed…

    victor might be a lot of things for the boks…but a captain he is not…

  • Comment 14, posted at 07.04.11 14:52:02 by Barrel Reply

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  • @Speed7 (Comment 13) : Beast is making a huge impact on the game when he plays of the bench. In fact the whole bench will do so. Let the starting 15 soften them up and then start bringing on the bench to close out the game.

  • Comment 15, posted at 07.04.11 14:53:06 by Viking Reply
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  • @Barrel (Comment 14) : Agree with your opnion on Vic there. Just tell me how you plan to start with Smit for 20 , then Bizzy for 40 and the Smit again for 20?

  • Comment 16, posted at 07.04.11 14:55:27 by Viking Reply
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  • You guys know what sealed my prediction last week for picking the Stormers leaving me in no doubt?

    Benching Mvovo…

    This kid can turn a game on its head from nothing in a split second.

  • Comment 17, posted at 07.04.11 14:56:17 by Morné Reply
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  • Would of though resting bizzy and playing beast at 1..gives our forwards some rest..hopefully deysel is back soon..how much can alberts take..and we all know the lions like to target him….

    thank goodness its a bye..a win here and 4 points for doing niks will help us against a struggling hurricanes team…

  • Comment 18, posted at 07.04.11 14:56:20 by shaniboi Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 17) : true but he needs to come into the game more..not wait..I can’t help but get frustrated when wings in general wait..he is big enough and quick enough to get involved more..

    And besides how often does that split second appearence happen..

  • Comment 19, posted at 07.04.11 14:58:22 by shaniboi Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 17) : He’s our best wing no doubt, but he NEEDS to go and look for the ball more.

  • Comment 20, posted at 07.04.11 15:03:03 by Ben Reply
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  • @Speed7 (Comment 13) :
    A lot happier on the bench than in the Lions den, trust me.

  • Comment 21, posted at 07.04.11 15:03:21 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 21) : 🙂

  • Comment 22, posted at 07.04.11 15:05:05 by Ben Reply
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  • Plus it seems when the Sharks play Super Rugby they forget entirely that they have wings on the field! How many times did we spread the ball to the wings against the Stormers?

  • Comment 23, posted at 07.04.11 15:07:25 by Ben Reply
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  • JS is the better lineout thrower, start him at hooker. While we need his captaincy we don`t need a suspect scrum.

    Lions will definately target our scrum, that`s a given.
    Our tight five looks . .. vulnerable and that`s where we had the edge over the lions.

    With home ground advantage and our massive bench I feel we should squeak home but it won`t be memorable one.

  • Comment 24, posted at 07.04.11 15:08:01 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Speed7 (Comment 13) : Smit will be gone by the end of the year so no worries from me

  • Comment 25, posted at 07.04.11 15:09:27 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 23) : I would love nothing more to see us spread some ball to the quickies. I would also not mind seeing JP step someone again like he did Poolman this past weekend. That was beautiful.

  • Comment 26, posted at 07.04.11 15:11:51 by Viking Reply
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  • Sorry, but it seems to me that Plum has lost the plot. Beast does not need a rest, he has been rested. Bissie really needs a rest, but he benches Beast for Smit. What does Smit have to do to get a start at Hooker. Ridiculous, especially since Bissie shows fatigue and is missing his jumpers. Also, what has Stef done to keep his 13 starting position? Sorry, but what does Adi have to do to get a start? Why is Stef impossible to drop, but we have no problem dropping Smit. Sorry all, but this is really getting ridiculous now.

  • Comment 27, posted at 07.04.11 15:30:03 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Last time the Lions beat the Sharks at Kings Park was in 2000. The average score for the Derby @ Durbs is 32 – 16. So we should see some tries being scored but the Sharks will take this one comfortably.

  • Comment 28, posted at 07.04.11 15:30:15 by Viking Reply
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  • The problem with starting Mvovo is that you have to drop either JPP or Odders. JPP is pure class, even when not in great form, and Odders is playing some of the best rugby of his career. Mvovo’s time will come, but not when Odders is playing superbly. Also, he needs to watch Odders play and learn to look for work like Odders does.

  • Comment 29, posted at 07.04.11 15:31:56 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 27) : What has Stef done? 200 games that is what. What does Adi need to do? 201 games apparently… 😉

  • Comment 30, posted at 07.04.11 15:32:14 by Viking Reply
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  • If you are not going to rotate players against the Lions or Cheetahs, then we have to assume that Plum will basically pick the same 22 for the entire season short of injury problems.

  • Comment 31, posted at 07.04.11 15:33:08 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Smit is being treated very poorly at this point by the Sharks. He has always given his all to the Sharks, and they return the favour by playing him out of position, and not even giving him a chance to play in his preferred position. I have never been so disappointed in the Sharks coaching staff as I am now, really awful to treat him this way. And why? Because they are afraid Jannie and Bissie will throw their toys out of the cot?

  • Comment 32, posted at 07.04.11 15:36:05 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 32) : Uncle DB! Howzit mate? What time is it there now?

  • Comment 33, posted at 07.04.11 15:40:45 by Ben Reply
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  • given our simple game plan, it is imperitive that we dominate. The team has been chosen for better or worse, but we need to gain momentum and barrel forward, because when simple clicks, its simply beautiful. John for hooker and a close watch on Charlo at scrummie, want to see what Hoffman can do with more game time, Charl is our kingpin this weekend and all eyes are on him make no mistake…

  • Comment 34, posted at 07.04.11 15:44:34 by DarkDestroyer Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 33) : Howzit Ben, doing alright on this end. How about you? It is 9:45 a.m. here now.

  • Comment 35, posted at 07.04.11 15:44:41 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • holy crap but the internet is slow in this country! How do you guys live? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 36, posted at 07.04.11 15:44:57 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 32) :

    I share your frustration.

  • Comment 37, posted at 07.04.11 15:46:05 by Morné Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 36) : Welcome Rob!

  • Comment 38, posted at 07.04.11 15:46:26 by Pokkel Reply
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  • i really cant understand you okes… before the start of the season all of us were happy with the depth of the squad, and realising the extended format of the comp will take its toll later on, we also moved with the idea of rotations during the “easier” games (not that there are any easy games…) Isnt this just a plain rotation switch? resting beast, and playing Smit, who got a rest last week, and starting with van Staden? i know we lost our last 3 games and this in a way is starting to look like a do-or-die stage, but our big forwards should be rotated… how many weeks still to go?

    @Charlie (Comment 6) : i`m with you on giving Adi a start (if that is what you meant…) 😉

  • Comment 39, posted at 07.04.11 15:47:07 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 36) :
    Its not a problem, we are also slow.

  • Comment 40, posted at 07.04.11 15:47:27 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 35) : I’m great thanks man. Why are you so scarce?

  • Comment 41, posted at 07.04.11 15:48:38 by Ben Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 37) : Morne, I appreciate your commiserations, but why would a WP supporter share my frustration about the Sharks selection policies? 😉

  • Comment 42, posted at 07.04.11 15:49:42 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 27) : @Dancing Bear (Comment 29) : @Dancing Bear (Comment 31) : I am in full agreement here. Beast has had more than enough downtime, and is showing no visible signs of fatigue. Bismarck is still looking quite sprightly, but his lineout throwing has been scattershot at best. John Smit at hooker and Beast at loosehead would have ensured a competent showing at the set pieces, and then Bissie could have been unleashed like the proverbial dog of war in the last 20 – 30 minutes.

    Our backline has of late displayed the same edge as by daughter’s stuffed toy collection, largely due to the fact that a) our flyhalf has been playing too far behind the advantage line, and b) although Meyer Bosman has been creating some half-opportunities, we haven’t had someone with the neccessary pace and elusiveness outside of him to capitalise on that. Starting Adi at 13 would solved problem b), and had problem a) persisted, we could move Bosman to 10, Adi to 12, retain creativity in the backline, and then had options at 13 (Stef or JLP). Adi’s fall from favour right now is a mystery on par with Beyonce’s continued popularity as a singer…

    JPP on form is a real threat on attack (which he was showing glimpses of just before being injured), looks for work, offers an excellent aerial option, and is probably one of the best defensive wings in world rugby. Mvovo is an exciting prospect, but I too would utilise him in an impact capacity.

  • Comment 43, posted at 07.04.11 15:50:55 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @VanWilder (Comment 39) : Beast does not need a rest, he has been rested from 2 matches already this season. Bissie has been playing much more rugby, he is the one in need of a rest. Of course Plum can’t bench both Bissie and Jannie, then they would threaten to sign with the Lions. :mrgreen: 👿

  • Comment 44, posted at 07.04.11 15:51:05 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 41) : My father passed away 3 weeks ago, been really busy with family stuff and other commitments. I will be slowly easing back in here, could never stay away for too long. 🙂

  • Comment 45, posted at 07.04.11 15:52:48 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 42) :

    He is not only a Shark, he is a Bok too! 😉

  • Comment 46, posted at 07.04.11 15:53:21 by Morné Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 43) : I’m not sure what Adi and Smittie have done to fall from grace in Plum’s eyes. 😯

  • Comment 47, posted at 07.04.11 15:54:16 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 46) : hehehe, not just Smit, but Plum’s rotation policy in general has been non existent. He has rotated his props and that is all. All other changes have been injury enforced.

  • Comment 48, posted at 07.04.11 15:55:17 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 43) : Forgot to mention that although Plum enjoys my respect, given that the only silverware we have won in the last 15 years has been during his tenure as a coach, I honestly do believe that his management of the squad could improve significantly. As I have mentioned before, sending your substitutes on with ten minutes remaining when the result is already beyond doubt hardly expresses confidence in their abilities, and doesn’t exactly give them a fair chance to show what they are capable of. And by not ever starting them (or at least giving them appreciable game time), you run the risk of them not being adequately prepared if called on in the case of injury to your first choice players.

    Stoked for van Staden and Mostert though!

  • Comment 49, posted at 07.04.11 15:55:35 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 42) : well you obviously dont know morne , he is not your regular wp supporter , and to him rugby comes first

    he also has a secret passion for the sharks 😉 , trust me if morne gives you a point of view there is no hidden agenda

  • Comment 50, posted at 07.04.11 15:56:34 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 44) : its quite a balancing act for plum, a situation i would not like to be in… its easy for us to say drop this guy and play that one, but in truth we dont know the politics behind his decisions… (not politics politics but rather promises made of game time, pressure from Pdiv to play specific players etc…)

    i cant help to think that last years trouble started when the team was rotated week in week out… could this have an influence on team morale??

  • Comment 51, posted at 07.04.11 15:57:15 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 40) : speak for urself 😯 😆

  • Comment 52, posted at 07.04.11 15:57:33 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 50) : 😆 don’t worry, I have known Morne/Pissant for a very long time. Notice the winky in both our posts? 😀

  • Comment 53, posted at 07.04.11 15:58:39 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 49) : I could not agree with you more.

  • Comment 54, posted at 07.04.11 15:59:31 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 45) : sorry to hear about your loss… i lost my mother last year 30 April, and its still a tough thing to get over.

  • Comment 55, posted at 07.04.11 15:59:33 by VanWilder Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 45) : Sorry to hear about your Dad.

  • Comment 56, posted at 07.04.11 15:59:51 by Ben Reply
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  • @VanWilder (Comment 51) : Well, PdV has been wanting Smit to play Hooker, and Plum has not done so yet, so we really can’t make the argument that his decisions are being dictated by PdV. As for politics, if he promised a certain amount of game time to guys like Bissie and Jannie, then he made a huge mistake and should not now use that as an excuse to not rotate the players.

    @VanWilder (Comment 55) : Thanks very much for your thoughts, it is a tough time, but he was a rugby man, so I am sure he is playing the beautiful game up in heaven. 🙂

  • Comment 57, posted at 07.04.11 16:01:55 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 56) : Thanks Ben.

  • Comment 58, posted at 07.04.11 16:02:39 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 57) : yip, also true… but i cant seem to understand the thinking surrounding our front-row. all in all, to be blessed with a good squad of players, all wanting to play, well, its not the job i want to keep them all happy. i wonder how Sir Alex manage it with United?

  • Comment 59, posted at 07.04.11 16:07:48 by VanWilder Reply

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  • Pokkel, where do I get that photo of Lambie handing off Burger, its brilliant! Want to set as wallpaper.

  • Comment 60, posted at 07.04.11 16:11:50 by Reynier Jacobs Reply

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  • @VanWilder (Comment 59) : I am no expert, but surely it all comes down to communicating with your players. If they feel confident that they are being rested and not dropped, then I don’t think they will have a problem.

  • Comment 61, posted at 07.04.11 16:38:03 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Well can’t say I’m surprised by the team announcement. Plum is MR Conservative in that area. I would have given Adi and Hoffman a chance to start, but maybe we’ll see a bit more of them in this game. Mvov’s is a devastating finisher but his work rate’s been a little low of late so I’m not surprised Plum thinks he’ll get better value from starting JPP.

  • Comment 62, posted at 07.04.11 16:38:21 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 9) : Div has apparently asked Plumtree to play Bismark in every Superrugby game so that he is burnt out by the time the international season starts… that way he’ll have no choice but to pick Smit as the 1st choice Bok hooker!

  • Comment 63, posted at 07.04.11 16:47:23 by CS Reply

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  • Do Plum understand the term player management ? 🙄

  • Comment 64, posted at 07.04.11 16:53:23 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Charlie (Comment 64) : I honestly am starting to wonder. One of the Sharks strengths for this Super Rugby season was our really great depth, but Plum won’t rotate players, rather waiting for them to get injured before replacing them. Also not sure what more you need to do to get a start…..I mean coming on in every game with 10 or 20 minutes to go and igniting a spark in the backline is apparently not enough. 😯

  • Comment 65, posted at 07.04.11 16:55:34 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • 1. Plum is rotating between Smit and Beast
    2. Bissie not being rested with Smit not getting game time at 2
    3. Jannie has been rested and is rested again with Van Staaden
    4. Sykes started every match, Mostert or Bressler not getting game time
    5. Hargreaves played every game until he got injured.
    6. Keegs starting every game after Botes injury
    7. Alberts has played almost every minute of every game
    8. Kanko has started every game, no use of Alberts or Keegs at 8.
    9. McLeod out of form but still starting every game, no Hoffman.
    10.Lambie started every game until he was injured, no JLP
    11.Only rotation has been due to injury to JPP
    12.Bosman has started every game
    13.Stef has started every game with no chance for Adi
    14.Odders has made this his own, but needs the rest. Even started after a concussion.
    15.Ludik has started every game, only threat of not playing is when he is injured.

    So other than the front row, Plum has shown no desire to rotate players at all, and in fact even the front row he has only rotated his props, not giving John Smit the chance to play in his preferred position. Although Bissie is great in the loose, he is a weaker scrummager than John and has been poor in his lineout throwing, so there are plenty reasons to give him a break and play Smit. I really think Plum has lost the plot here.

  • Comment 66, posted at 07.04.11 17:08:33 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • 7.4 earthquake hits Japan again, tsunami warning issued. 😕 🙁

  • Comment 67, posted at 07.04.11 17:09:32 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Not sure why Mvovo is on the bench. But could be JPP needs game time. Probably should have started with Mvovo then bring on JPP later. Also would have liked Adi to start maybe Hoffman as well. Pleased to see Staden getting a chance to start. Feel for Beast on the bench though.

    Think had we beaten the Chiefs and Stormers we would have seen some rotation come this game. Now that it is a MUST win think Plum has gone with a settled team. Well sort of. Think John must take the throw-ins this week if Bissie does not get it right. Just can’t have a mess in the lineouts as we have had the past few games.

    Go Sharks.

  • Comment 68, posted at 07.04.11 17:10:43 by Puma Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 66) : Think it could be due to us having to win this game. Settled team he is most likely thinking of.

    Agree though we need to start rotation soon otherwise we won’t see this tourney through without more injuries coming.

  • Comment 69, posted at 07.04.11 17:13:56 by Puma Reply

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  • With Smit being able to fill in at prop, I would think it would be very easy to rotate the entire front row, giving Smit just as much game time as the other three, and much of that game time could be at 2. Skeate is a relatively experienced player, and should be used to rest Ali. Bressler and Mostert could be used to rest Sykes. With Botes, Alberts, Kanko and Keegs, with Alberts being able to play 8 or 7, Keegs 6, 7 or 8, there is no reason to rotate between the four and give them all equal game time and rest. Hoffman needs game time and McLeod is out of form, no brainer here. Lambie should have been rested before he got injured, should have been rested for the Rebels or Force match. Bosman could have been rested with Swanepoel coming in for a game. Stef is out of form with Adi playing superbly, no brainer here. Injury should not be the only reason to rotate the wings, 3 Bok wings could be rotated with plenty of game time for all three. Ludik could be replaced by either Stef or Odders to get some rest. I just do not understand Plum’s philosophy here. Didn’t he say last year that the new Super Rugby format was going to be so tough he was going to have to utilize his whole squad. I suppose he knew he was going to injure half his players through excessive game time and would have to replace them. 👿 :mrgreen: 😯

  • Comment 70, posted at 07.04.11 17:16:51 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Puma (Comment 69) : Plum has to stop waiting for injury to rotate players (other than props), it is too late then. I like Plum, he is an astute coach, understands the game and the intricacies very well, but honestly has no concept of player management.

  • Comment 71, posted at 07.04.11 17:19:07 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 71) : Think the rotation would have come had we beaten Chiefs and Stormers. Now this is a do or die game. We have to win it. But yeah, our players are getting tired. Need to start rotation.

    Also agree with you. Would have had John start at hooker for this game. Bring on Bissie later in the game.

  • Comment 72, posted at 07.04.11 17:22:06 by Puma Reply

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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 71) : Sorry to read about your Dad buddy. Very tough to lose a parent. I lost my dad over 30 years back.

  • Comment 73, posted at 07.04.11 17:25:47 by Puma Reply

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  • ok for those who might not know

    deysel to capt sharks xv on saturday against the leopards

  • Comment 74, posted at 07.04.11 18:00:09 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Puma (Comment 73) : Thanks very much for the kind words Puma.

  • Comment 75, posted at 07.04.11 18:12:46 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @sharks_lover (Comment 74) : Really interested to see how Deysel is as a captain. I like this idea, we need more potential captains for when John and Stef move on. Both Hargreaves and Keegs have shown excellent captaincy ability, it would be nice to have another loosie with that ability. I still think loosies are the best positions to captain from.

  • Comment 76, posted at 07.04.11 18:14:21 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • Ah well. Good luck lads.

    I’m one of those who doesn’t get the 13 selection and Smit not getting a start at 2.

    Regarding Mvovo, I see him challenging Odwa, not JPP. JPP is just warming up from a few injuries – reckon he is gonna rock this year.

  • Comment 77, posted at 07.04.11 18:18:36 by Big Fish Reply
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  • With Stefan Terblanche’s general fitness and physical condition, and with Plum’s “rotate in the event of an injury policy”, it would seem that Adi is never going to get a run-on chance… Then again, Jannie’s not injured and Van Staden has been given a chance… maybe a leopard *can* change its shorts after all!

  • Comment 78, posted at 07.04.11 18:26:49 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 77) : I’m with you BF. With regard to Odwa, he has been really good so far this season. JPP is better defensively than Mvovo, and Odwa is much more active around the pitch than Mvovo. He will be a world class wing, but right now he is still third in the pecking order.

  • Comment 79, posted at 07.04.11 18:28:03 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 78) : Nope, Plum has been rotating the props all season so far. But that is the only position he has been rotating, all other rotations are injury enforced. So with you that Adi has no chance of a start this year it would seem.

  • Comment 80, posted at 07.04.11 18:29:04 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 80) : Once Jean Deysel is back, we’ll probably see some rotation in the loosies. Pity it hasn’t been managed better though; Willem Alberts desperately needs a break, but I would have been greatly interested to see how a loose trio of 6 Deysel 7 Alberts 8 Daniel would fare.

  • Comment 81, posted at 07.04.11 18:40:21 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 79) :
    Agree.

    What’s your take on the Hoff? He seems to crop some criticism here, but I have thought that he has really shown a hard edge this season, and is playing good rugby – adding the fancy stuff to some graft.

  • Comment 82, posted at 07.04.11 18:43:07 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 81) : It will be great to have Deysel back, but he has not rotated the loosies at all so far, with Botes relegated to the bench for every match.

  • Comment 83, posted at 07.04.11 18:51:00 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 82) : My personal opinion on Kanko is that starting with the match he played at 7 for the Boks last Tri-Nations, he has definitely exhibited a much harder edge. I saw some very positive graft from him in that match as 7, and thought he did better than most gave him credit for, including himself. And, ever since then, he has had a much harder edge to his game play. I think he has had a little difficulty integrating his flare back in with the hard edge, but that is slowly coming right. I like this Kanko, and would not mind seeing him and Alberts switch between flank and 8 in a match from time to time. I have to believe that Alberts is a better bet for an 8 man pickup from an attacking 5 metre scrum than Kanko, whereas a little further out, the added space give Kanko an opportunity to exhibit his flare. Just a thought.

  • Comment 84, posted at 07.04.11 18:54:46 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • We all knew at the start of this loooonnnnggg SupeRugby season that players were going to have to be rotated at some point, or run the risk of them collapsing en masse, spontaneously combusting or joining the Lions mid-season for a well-earned (and well paid) rest! 😆
    What we didn’t know was that:
    1. SuperPat was going to stick his finger somewhere nasty, and that “nasty” was going to come off best 😳 ;
    2. That JLP has two left feet and can’t seem to kick with either of them 😯 ;
    3. That Ali was going to get the cold shoulder treatment, literally and metaphorically speaking… 😡
    4. That our front row would be so severely tested by the ridiculous extension of the “pause” part of the crouch, touch, pause… (wait for Chuck Norris to county to infinity, twice) then, and ONLY then engage WITHOUT putting a hand down to remind your shoulder that your arm’s still attached to it law!!! (eish)
    It is impossible for us to understand what it going on in Plum’s mind, but for me, it’s the brain behind us being able to lock the Currie Cup up each night for a whole year… the very brain which saw the impossible talent that is Patrick Lambie and put him at Flyhalf, when everyone was scoffing and pontificating into their beer and biltong…
    So I try to avoid doing my brain in by understanding what Plum is working at, and just go with it in the belief that he kind of knows what he’s doing? It may be naive of me, but we are going through a wobbly patch – a spot of Sharks jelly – and trying to keep our fins above water, so to speak, which for me means all hands on deck, hoist the mainsail, shiver me timbers and cry GO SHARKS with due gusto, bravado and derring-do…

  • Comment 85, posted at 07.04.11 19:31:00 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 36) : Come try Zim!

  • Comment 86, posted at 07.04.11 19:37:24 by perran_dw Reply

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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 85) : Although JLP’s kicking has been poor, to say the least, that is not what worries me most about him. His seeming insistence on taking the ball so deep and so far behind the gain line is what really bothers me. The Sharks have never done well with a 10 that plays behind the gain line. We need look no further than Goode to see that scenario played out.

  • Comment 87, posted at 07.04.11 19:40:19 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 36) : @perran_dw (Comment 86) : :mrgreen: Zambia’s quite fun, too! 😆

  • Comment 88, posted at 07.04.11 19:43:56 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 87) : Like we discussed yesterday on Morne’s thread, it’s a worrying “development” which would not have been revealed, necessarily, were it not for Monsieur Lambie’s errant digit. I never saw JLP play at the Cheetahs… did he play the same in Bloem? Or is it purely the result of those remarkable rugby geniuses over at Loftus who can like to churn out these okes on an assembly line?

  • Comment 89, posted at 07.04.11 19:48:38 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 89) : Yes, he played very far behind the gain line. The Cheetahs had a lot of speed in their backline, but it seemed their play was always behind the gain line. They would move the ball really nicely to the wings, players running onto the ball, crisp passes, but by the time the wing got the ball, they were still behind the gain line. I remember this about them even when Rassie was coaching them, the only difference was that Rassie had things going on with other players in front of the ball, which I am sure he picked up from the Australasians. To me it seemed there was always an obstruction, but the ref would not call it because they gained nothing from it. Even if someone obstructed a tackler, they would pass the ball even without pressure on them, so the wings always were behind the gain line. Naas Olivier plays very deep as well, in my opinion.

  • Comment 90, posted at 07.04.11 20:06:47 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 89) : I honestly think the 10 playing deep is more of a SA problem, with the Sharks rather being the exception. As mentioned yesterday, only 3 Bok 10s in the past 20 years have taken the ball flat, and all three were Sharks, Honiball, James and Lambie. You can throw Ruan Pienaar in there too since he did play 10 for the Boks and was also a Shark.

  • Comment 91, posted at 07.04.11 20:13:49 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 90) : I hate slating players, it’s counterproductive to me, but I have to admit that I don’t find an awful lot to inspire me when it comes to JLP at the moment.
    I have just read Plum’s comments on him on the Sharks site, and do sympathise with him (hell, I even wrote a glowing eulogy for him in the run up to Twickers) but I was under the impression he was experienced enough to handle the change of pace and style at the Sharks. I have yet to see startling evidence of that maturity and experience.
    To be honest, I don’t think JLP’s “problems” (he’s had two tough games and it’s rather unfair of me, I suppose, to judge him entirely on the basis of them) are related to his ability, but rather his mindset.
    It has to be irking him that he’s getting boos from a crowd that is so blatantly in love with the man who’s spot he’s keeping warm, a man infinitely more talented and considerably younger, and who effectively scuppered his hopes for a first-choice flyhalf spot in the team he left Pretoria for.
    I had hoped that JLP could overcome all of the “emotional” difficulties this scenario presents, go out there and focus on the task at hand, acquit himself well and hold his head high when Pat returns to the field and he takes up his spot on the bench again, but I get the nagging feeling that he’s trying too hard to prove something because, perhaps, the bench is biting his backside?

  • Comment 92, posted at 07.04.11 20:22:17 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 92) : I don’t like slating players either, and I am sure that many of his issues stem from the very difficult position he is in now, as you describe above. But one thing I found out about JLP through his pre-season interviews is that the man is not lacking for self confidence, even bordering on being arrogant. With all that self belief, he really should be performing better than he is.

  • Comment 93, posted at 07.04.11 20:27:12 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 84) :
    Agree with your assessment – I feel he is a much better balanced loosie nowadays – he will bring the flair back as we settle down from this rough patch.

    @Dancing Bear (Comment 87) :
    You are right – JLP is very deep, and this is a bigger problem given our slow midfield.

    What makes Lambie remarkable is how comfortable he is taking the ball as flat as he does given his tender age and average size (not a bruiser in the Honibal or Butch mould).

  • Comment 94, posted at 07.04.11 20:35:12 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 93) : Precisely. If you ask me, I think the self-confidence and borderline “arrogance” is a smokescreen. He has played much better coming on for Pat in the last quarter, and even on the same field as Pat in the No 12 position (I think I’m right, there, position-wise?), but seems anything but confident right now. In fact, he seems downright insecure, IMO. 😕

  • Comment 95, posted at 07.04.11 20:35:40 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • DB
    You forgot about Peter Grant! 😉

  • Comment 96, posted at 07.04.11 20:37:52 by wpw Reply
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  • Anyways. I am outta here for now, my chums. Boys High started back today and I am adjusting to the early morning school run and getting up in the dark at 05.30 again. To be blunt – I am knackered! 😆 Catch you all tomorrow. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 97, posted at 07.04.11 20:38:01 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 94) : It seems that you and I are the only ones on this site that are seeing this in Kanko. I hope we are right.

    Do you know what Lambie’s vital statistics are? He is 20 now correct? It seems to me that he is not as small as one might think, especially for a youngster, but perhaps I am wrong about that.

  • Comment 98, posted at 07.04.11 20:41:25 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 95) : I am not sure if his arrogance is a smoke screen or not, but he certainly does seem to be lacking in confidence right now.

  • Comment 99, posted at 07.04.11 20:42:19 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 98) : 5ft 10 and a bit and 92kg. He turns 21 in October.

  • Comment 100, posted at 07.04.11 20:43:18 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 96) : Actually Wes, I was going to bring Peter Grant up. He is a great example when compared to Willem de Wal, Grant plays fairly flat, not as flat as the three I mentioned, but also not nearly as deep as other SA 10s. He is very well balanced with regard to running and kicking, and I think the Stormers’ great performances so far in Super Rugby has more to do with him in the 10 jersey than anything else.

  • Comment 101, posted at 07.04.11 20:44:25 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 100) : Thanks Shaz, cheers! While not all that tall, 92 kgs is a good size for a “shorter” 10. 92 kgs is quite solid at 5’10”.

  • Comment 102, posted at 07.04.11 20:45:53 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 101) : Of course he did learn his rugby in KZN. 😉

  • Comment 103, posted at 07.04.11 20:49:12 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 102) : He’s put on a bit more muscle since the EOYT with the Boks and CC final if you look at Steve Haag’s training session pics on Gallo Images. I think a lot of opponents misjudge him in this respect, especially when it comes to tackles and hand-offs (Schalk being a case in point).

  • Comment 104, posted at 07.04.11 20:50:14 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • Just hope the guys really realize how important this game is and not think that they can just pitch up. Wish the players and FANS would stop under estimating teams.Happy for Eugene and Mostert, at least they’ll help Alberts with the load.Bismarck owes us a big game.

  • Comment 105, posted at 07.04.11 20:52:29 by GreatSharksays Reply

     
  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 104) : Yep, that is my view as well, he is bigger and stronger than he gets credit for.

  • Comment 106, posted at 07.04.11 20:54:29 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 106) : Absolutely. They look at the baby face and don’t realise there’s a powerhouse beneath it! 😛 Night DB – have a good day. Great chatting to you! “Speak” soon. 😉

  • Comment 107, posted at 07.04.11 20:57:43 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • Cheers Shaz, have a wonderful night. Speak soon.

  • Comment 108, posted at 07.04.11 20:58:50 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 106) :
    I’m confused about Lambies size: he certainly packs a punch and his stats say he is 92kg, which, given his height and age, is very big, but he doesn’t look very big.

    Could be that he is heavy-boned like JPP – who is apparently around 105kg, but moves like a lighter guy.

  • Comment 109, posted at 07.04.11 23:10:50 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Starvekos (Comment 1) : So you have to perform within seconds of coming off an injury? JPP smoked van Aswegen last week. Give him a game or two and he’ll have you quiet.

  • Comment 110, posted at 08.04.11 06:16:14 by King Shark Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 23) : We tried but it got killed by rush defense.

  • Comment 111, posted at 08.04.11 06:18:27 by King Shark Reply
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  • @King Shark (Comment 111) : Sorry I don’t buy that.

  • Comment 112, posted at 08.04.11 06:56:01 by Ben Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 109) : I’ve met Lambie. He is short but he’s a big boy, big boned and not the smallest arms around.

  • Comment 113, posted at 08.04.11 06:57:53 by Ben Reply
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  • Good morning guys.

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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 107) : yeah ‘SuperPat’ 🙄 is a giant only in the land of midgets 😛 he is the same height as Aplon, Shane Williams and those okes.

  • Comment 115, posted at 08.04.11 07:05:31 by Megatron Reply

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  • Boots an All had a lot to say about our Umbrella defense last night.
    Wonder if it`ll be good enough to keep the dangerous lions centres out?

    I`m going with my heart on this one!

  • Comment 116, posted at 08.04.11 07:26:52 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • Can somoenone shed some light on why Lwazi is not starting????? It just does not make sense. He needs to play. because now when he ever comes on there is not much happening (Talking last three weeks here, where we found ourselve behind on the scoreboard.)
    @Megatron (Comment 115) :This comment seems to be a bit nasty? Must be because superDan stubbed his toe, and is using it as an excuse not to play against the Bulls.

  • Comment 117, posted at 08.04.11 07:27:09 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 94) : @Dancing Bear (Comment 98) : I have to concur with regards to Kanko. There is definitely a harder edge to his game, and although he hasn’t quite displayed the flair of old, that’s probably also due to a certain extent to the conditions we’ve played in, and teams we’ve played against. Last year during the Curry Cup I had all but made up my mind that Daniel was a superior option at 8, when Kanko, in the last few minutes of the game, single-handedly ripped the Cheetahs to shreds, effectively shuttng me up in the process.

    Which brings me back to the topic of rotation, particulalry of loose forwards. With the quality, amount and versatility of loose forwards at our disposal, we really should see more rotation. I mean, and of one the following 6/7/8 combinations would be the envy of many a team: Daniel/Deysel/Kanko, Botes/Alberts/Kanko, Deysel/Alberts/Daniel, Botes/Deysel/Alberts, etc. etc. etc. ad infinitum

  • Comment 118, posted at 08.04.11 07:32:35 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 115) : He still kicks ass on attack and defence. Same as Aplon and Shane Williams. These “small okes” are teaching players like Super Schalk a lesson or two.

  • Comment 119, posted at 08.04.11 07:33:27 by Viking Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 118) : I hope to see that we rotate these guys a bit more after the bye. Lets pick a new coombo to stick with for a couple of games before the next bye. We have 3 games before the following bye against Canes, Stormers and Brumbies. I would like to see that we start Botes, Deysel and Daniel in all three games with Alberts and Kanko on the bench as impact players.

  • Comment 120, posted at 08.04.11 07:38:04 by Viking Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 118) : actually probably our best performance by one of our loose trios last year was one you did not mention that played against stormers in the super 14

    alberts, kanko and deysel they destroyed , schalk, flo and vermeulen

  • Comment 121, posted at 08.04.11 12:36:37 by sharks_lover Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 115) : And a very good day to you too, Mr Tron. As me ole buddy Joe Elliot once told me, it’s not the size of the pistol, but the power of the shot that counts. 😎

  • Comment 122, posted at 08.04.11 18:23:33 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • After each of our previous two games, Plum has stated that our boys were naïve both on defense (against the Crusaders) and on attack (against the Stormers). These statements concern me big time and they point to coaching and captaincy. The coaching team should prepare the guys for different scenarios and the captain should have the balls and the intellect to make decisions and change strategy on the field. Hope the guys have sorted out all these issues. The Lions see us as beatable,hell, they put 40 points on us in Cape Town. We can’t be naïve tomorrow, we need to hit them hard, keep the ball in hand and away from the Lions, we can’t allow a loose game.

  • Comment 123, posted at 08.04.11 18:27:06 by GreatSharksays Reply

     
  • @Big Fish (Comment 109) : Hey BF. If you check out the Sharks training session pics posted regularly on Gallo Images (by Steve Haag) there’s a shot taken on February 25 of Pat with Keegan Daniel in the background which shows exactly why Pat packs such a punch. 😉

  • Comment 124, posted at 08.04.11 18:27:52 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • Well go team i got faith lets not get down hill from here onwards we need a win not a 4th lose

    :mrgreen: GO SHARKS GO :mrgreen:

    Black and White is all that matters :mrgreen:

  • Comment 125, posted at 08.04.11 19:57:17 by chaz Reply

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