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PDV needs to back the exceptional


Written by Morné Nortier (Morné)

Posted in :Original Content on 19 Apr 2011 at 09:50
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Peter de Villiers was quoted recently saying he will have to make some tough selection decisions in this Rugby World Cup year, the toughest of these, will be who wears the number 10 jersey.

Balance is such a key issue when it comes to the success of a rugby team. The challenge to mix the exceptional with the reliable is arguably one of the toughest challenges facing any international coach.

For Peter de Villiers, this problem has grown exponentially in 2011 given the majority of his (usually) reliable players, or go-to guys, are all off the pace at this stage.

In recent years the Stormers, Sharks and Bulls provided the bulk of the Springbok team, with the Bulls the biggest contributor of the lot. Players like Victor Matfield, Bakkies Botha, Pierre Spies, Fourie du Preez and Morne Steyn were automatic selections for the Springboks run-on XV in the last 2 years, which considering their current run of form as individuals in the struggling Bulls team has left De Villiers a very worried man. None more so, than the Springbok half-back pairing in Du Preez and Steyn.

A couple of weeks ago I mentioned that any champion team needs a dominant half-back combination who can direct play effectively. History will also show us that just about every team that has won titles in modern rugby, did so on the back of some genius in either one, or both of these crucial positions.

Make no mistake, a fit and firing Matfield, Bakkies and Spies are all massive assets to the Springbok team, but luckily we have also managed to develop great depth and experience in these positions – it is at numbers 9 and more specifically 10, that De Villiers cannot afford to miss a trick.

Recent articles suggested the 4 front-runners for the Bok number 10 jersey are Morne Steyn, Butch James, Peter Grant and Patrick Lambie. Rugby experts in the form of Springbok legend, Naas Botha, has also publicly raised his concerns regarding the flyhalf position and who he believes should be given the jumper.

Following all this, I decided it would be interesting to run a quick poll on the social network site Twitter, to see which of these 4 candidates the general public would prefer. The results were somewhat surprising. 50% of people agreed with Naas Botha that Peter Grant needed to slot in at flyhalf, just under 30% believed Butch James to be the man with around 16% believing Steyn is still the man. Patrick Lambie to my surprise, only got around 6% of the votes.

I have never read too much into polls to be honest, the problem you have is that the flavour of the week usually gets the most votes but as we all know, one bad game can turn a hero into a villain faster than Owen Nkumane can say; ‘Go-forward ball’.

So taking nothing away from Peter Grant who is the current flavour of the week, the results I believe are much closer than that.

What did interest me about the results however was the fact that Pat Lambie got more votes than James and Steyn, but as back-up flyhalf to the other three…

It reveals a bit of the psyche not only of the general public in South Africa, but the perception shared amongst rugby scribes, experts and even coaches.

For some reason, the exceptional scares us – this, together with the age factor, make people apprehensive to back certain players.

If you speak to any person in South Africa, from the general public to rugby experts, not one will deny the exceptional ability of Lambie, yet when it comes to backing such exceptional talent, every caution and excuse under the sun is highlighted.

But here is the problem, with Steyn, Grant and Butch you might have very able, and very reliable flyhalf’s, but each and every one of these players are limited in various aspects of flyhalf play. Each of them has one or two major strengths, but they also have some glaring weaknesses.

If we look beyond age and just the general play of each of these four individuals, there is no doubt who has the better all-round ability as a flyhalf. Better yet, if you take all the areas crucial for flyhalf play, and judge each of these individuals awarding them points on a scale of 1 to 5, I have little doubt who will end up on top.

With a Super 15 goal-kicking average of 86%, and being surrounded in a Springbok setup with the likely names of Jean de Villiers and Fourie du Preez, the risk of selecting Lambie is minimal.

I have never been a fan of discarding experience or experienced players, especially in a tournament like the World Cup where experience is absolutely crucial, but I also believe for us to win this Cup for a third time, we will need balance this with the exceptional, and young Patrick Lambie is exceptional.


125 Comments

  • Such true words. Lambie is exceptional and with the necessary backing he can and will win us the World Cup

  • Comment 1, posted at 19.04.11 10:11:36 by KingRiaan Reply
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  • Lambie…..The man!!!

    Worth the risk?….hell yeah!!!

  • Comment 2, posted at 19.04.11 10:12:14 by Pokkel Reply
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  • When I read this morning that Lambie will be back this weekend I almost made a somersault off of the treadmill backwards! Best news you can start a day with.

  • Comment 3, posted at 19.04.11 10:14:19 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 2) : Ok now that I have that out the way 😳

    Problem is that the current Bok game plan will even make Lambie look poor. Even the EOYT last year negatively affected Lambie’s play. Plum had to do beat the Bok’s playing style out of Lambie again.

  • Comment 4, posted at 19.04.11 10:14:26 by Pokkel Reply
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  • My gut feeling is that Lambie is not as good as Tyler Bleyendaal ! 😯

    Good arti M

  • Comment 5, posted at 19.04.11 10:15:52 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • Morne…do you think that Lambie can play like PdV wants the Boks to play and make a success of it? If not I reckon Lambie should not even be involved with the Boks until we get a new coach!

  • Comment 6, posted at 19.04.11 10:16:29 by Pokkel Reply
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  • My consideration for the RWC would be Lambie and Grant – both actually inexperienced with a “situation” of this magnitude – like the RWC…but I would risk this. Lambie can perform without having to have an exceptional scrumhalf…unlike Steyn. Butchie is a liability in my opinion – both disciplinary wise and injury wise – and I also do not know he’s stats at present. Grant is reliable on goalkicking – but is he’s ability to dictate a game the same as Patrick’s?

    I said on another forum – to me Patrick Lambie is the closest to what SA will get to a Daniel Carter.

  • Comment 7, posted at 19.04.11 10:21:15 by Ice Reply
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  • The blame for the dull playing style of the Boks is just as much the captain and senior players fault. Should you see that something is not working on the field, change it. Dan Carter and Mcaw are especially good at making those choices on the fly. Just look at how they can change the plan on the field should their initial gameplan not be working

  • Comment 8, posted at 19.04.11 10:22:35 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • There is so much smoke being blown up Pter Grants ass that everybody thinks that he should be the bok 10. My question to those are: Why is the Stormers backline not scoring more tries then? Surely if he is such a great 10 then they should be scoring lits more tries with so many good players in his inside and out. I will give him one thing and that is that he can kick at goal.

    But best thing for Lambie might be not to play under Divvi again and wait for a proper coach that can build on his talents and not try to change him into Morne Steyn.

  • Comment 9, posted at 19.04.11 10:24:52 by Viking Reply
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  • Ice, I think you are so right. Lambie is the closest we have and although I really don’t like Grant, you cant argue that he is in the form of his life at the moment. I guess playing excellent against inferior opposition like he did in Japan does give you confidence

  • Comment 10, posted at 19.04.11 10:25:44 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • Sadly, it’s just typical South African. Players like Cooper and O’Connor would be considered “impact players” if they played here and the likes of SBW would in SA be on the flank.

  • Comment 11, posted at 19.04.11 10:26:20 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 7) : Butch isn’t even on form for Bath, is injury prone like hell and a defensive liability of note so I cannot understand PdV even wanting to consider him as our RWC flyhalf. Not that I’m surprised by what our useless coach does – just cannot understand it.

  • Comment 12, posted at 19.04.11 10:29:42 by rhineshark Reply
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  • I read on Keegan Daniel’s Wikipidia page that he is listed as able to play flanker, wing, center and fullback. Wonder how true that is?

  • Comment 13, posted at 19.04.11 10:32:11 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • @rhineshark (Comment 11) : Quade Cooper is phenomenal in my opinion – imagine him and SBW together. Cooper dont have to sit too far back from Carter IMO. I just want to get him a bucket to hold when he kicks – it will just look less awkward! 😆

  • Comment 14, posted at 19.04.11 10:32:45 by Ice Reply
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  • @KingRiaan (Comment 13) : He probably has more line-breaks than any of our backs, so would tend to believe him :mrgreen:

  • Comment 15, posted at 19.04.11 10:51:51 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 14) : Cooper is a freak of nature! I know Spies and Matfield aren’t exactly bastions of defense, but the look on their faces when Quade “Q-20” Cooper slipped through them was priceless 😉

    I think he and O’Connor are in a competiton to see who has the weirdest kicking style.

  • Comment 16, posted at 19.04.11 10:55:45 by rhineshark Reply
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  • ‘Quade “Q-20? Cooper’ hahahaha….slippery bastard!!

  • Comment 17, posted at 19.04.11 10:57:20 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Peter Grant has problems ,I dont think he is Springbok Material to be honest ,yes he has been playing well ,however i think there are fundamental elements to his game that are weak ,for instance I am not sure he can kick well enough with both feet. Imo ,butch is the man

  • Comment 18, posted at 19.04.11 11:06:15 by Talent Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 18) : You are joking – right?? See comment 12

  • Comment 19, posted at 19.04.11 11:07:02 by Pr'Ice Flower Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 16) : Well now ,spies and defence arnt two words that should be put together to often

  • Comment 20, posted at 19.04.11 11:07:22 by Talent Reply
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  • @Pr’Ice Flower (Comment 19) : HAHA 🙂 maybe im hanging onto memories ,to be honest I havnt seen him play in ages

  • Comment 21, posted at 19.04.11 11:08:53 by Talent Reply
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  • @Pr’Ice Flower (Comment 19) : What is the new name all about?

  • Comment 22, posted at 19.04.11 11:16:31 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 18) : @Talent (Comment 21) : How can you say Butch is the man if you haven’t seen him play in ages? Peter Grant can make it as Bok Flyhalf, to be honest if Morne Steyn can play flyhalf for the Boks, I think I can as well. 😉

  • Comment 23, posted at 19.04.11 11:16:41 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 23) : Well your right .
    I just think that in butch james we have a fly with water tight defence(from what i remember) and who can also play a good kicking and running game. I strongly dissagree about Peter Grant ,im not sure if he is the answer at 10 for the boks, maybe for the stormers.

    Morne is just poor ,he may be good in AFB ,where you bring the kicker on just to kick…
    Um wait his kicking has been poor this year haha

  • Comment 24, posted at 19.04.11 11:25:03 by Talent Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 22) : I am Rob’s price flower! Personal joke that came out at the get-togehter! 😆

  • Comment 25, posted at 19.04.11 11:25:22 by Pr'Ice Flower Reply
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  • @Viking (Comment 9) : AND let’s not forget that they have “the world’s best center” and JdV in that Stormers backline.

    That combined with the NAMES they have on the wing they should be getting BP tries on their bye weekends.

  • Comment 26, posted at 19.04.11 11:32:49 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 23) : Wow last year we were cheering the guy who beat the Lions for us. I think it is a case of Horses for Courses, the world cup is not an open running type of tournament its Knockout and that is why I am not that worried about the Boks. We love this form as it plays into our hands, Morne can kick and if he is in form he is the best in the world(Place Kicking) . However before you all shoot me, I am not advocating he should go to the world cup on current form. I definitely think Butch has past it and returning to the Lions is not exactly going to build his confidence either. I would take Grant, who is kicking well with both feet, after his stint in Japan, and Lambie, who has the x factor and could come on as a replacement at flyhalf , center and even Fullback.

  • Comment 27, posted at 19.04.11 11:35:44 by Whindy Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 24) : Oh and I almost forgot, since Peter Grant came back from Japan he kicks brilliantly with both feet so that’s not a problem.

  • Comment 28, posted at 19.04.11 11:42:29 by Ben Reply
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  • @Whindy (Comment 27) : You might be talking about 2 years ago. 2009, when we played the Lions. And don’t say we, I’ve never liked Morne Steyn.

  • Comment 29, posted at 19.04.11 11:44:13 by Ben Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 26) :

    Jean, well… Jean is just a former Player of the Year… you know something the Sharks haven’t had in yonks!! 😈

  • Comment 30, posted at 19.04.11 11:59:09 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 30) : Adi was the players player of the year in 2008 wasn’t he?

  • Comment 31, posted at 19.04.11 12:02:09 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 31) :

    Schalk – 2004 IRB Player of the Year and SA POTY
    Luke – 2006 S12 POTY
    Jean – 2008 SA Player of the Year
    Bekker – 2010 S14 POTY
    Aplon – 2010 Players POTY
    Allister Coetzee – Coach of the Year 2010

  • Comment 32, posted at 19.04.11 12:05:18 by wpw Reply
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  • An on form, fit Butch would be one of my first names on the team sheet.

  • Comment 33, posted at 19.04.11 12:05:34 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 32) : And where the hell did all of that get you…..? Not far, hey… 😈

  • Comment 34, posted at 19.04.11 12:12:15 by Pr'Ice Flower Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 32) :
    How sad that really is – all those accolades and sweet fanny @#$% @&& to show for it.

  • Comment 35, posted at 19.04.11 12:12:16 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 35) : Chings! LOL

    Rugby is a TEAM sport…you can be the best in your position, if the rest of the team is shit its gonne mean swet blow all!

  • Comment 36, posted at 19.04.11 12:13:12 by Pr'Ice Flower Reply
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  • @Pr’Ice Flower (Comment 34) : @Salmonoid (Comment 35) :

    Two finals in 2010 is not too bad.

    We’re a work in progress so don’t hate!! 😈 😉

  • Comment 37, posted at 19.04.11 12:16:29 by wpw Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 35) :

    You forgot about the Neo Series trophy we won earlier this year!! 😯 😉

  • Comment 38, posted at 19.04.11 12:17:21 by wpw Reply
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  • @Pr’Ice Flower (Comment 36) :

    Wouldnt you be happy if your players won such awards??

    I know trophies are more NB but ek vra maar net!!

  • Comment 39, posted at 19.04.11 12:18:04 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 38) : and you were the defending champions 😉

  • Comment 40, posted at 19.04.11 12:18:50 by rekinek Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 32) : I was a referring to the
    PLAYERS player of the year as selected by your peers!

  • Comment 41, posted at 19.04.11 12:20:11 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Hi all, long time.
    Thought wpw needed some support, not sure how we got here, but in 3 years Allister took a team known as the “powder puffs” and turned them into a really competitive team who are making finals as opposed to the regular 10/11 place finish in the super14 we knew all too well before that. I think thats ok, I’m kinda happy with that. I’ll take the awards, better than not having them.

  • Comment 42, posted at 19.04.11 12:22:55 by molly Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 40) :

    EXACTLY!!

    Jeez at least one Sharks supporter is willing to give us credit!! 😆

  • Comment 43, posted at 19.04.11 12:23:07 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 37) :
    Yeah 2 finals in which all they needed to do was to just rock up and play the same game plan.

  • Comment 44, posted at 19.04.11 12:24:20 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 41) :

    Not sure if Adi won that award.

    I don’t think he did. Didn’t Jean win it?? 🙄

  • Comment 45, posted at 19.04.11 12:24:27 by wpw Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 41) :

    Did a google search – Jean won both awards!! 😎

  • Comment 46, posted at 19.04.11 12:26:49 by wpw Reply
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  • @Pr’Ice Flower (Comment 36) :
    Exactly, a team sport….some of the Stormers backline should have been told about that this last weekend.

  • Comment 47, posted at 19.04.11 12:29:29 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Also does not help if your players get screwed out of awards they actually deserve… 👿 Or if teams gets nominated even if they did not even WIN a final.. 😈

    @wpw (Comment 43) : She’s softer than most of us…just feeling sorry for you.. 😆

  • Comment 48, posted at 19.04.11 12:29:33 by Pr'Ice Flower Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 46) : Ag OK dan…..julle agterlyn rock…maar waar is die driee?

  • Comment 49, posted at 19.04.11 12:30:54 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 38) : I also forgot about the one you won for beating Boland in the preseason game. That one that Kurt Darren crocheted with beads.

  • Comment 50, posted at 19.04.11 12:32:45 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 49) :

    Win the game first and worry about the bonus points later.

    That’s why we’re 7 from 8. 😈

  • Comment 51, posted at 19.04.11 12:41:33 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 51) :
    We are only 5 from 8 but only 4 points behind you on the log…..worried yet?

  • Comment 52, posted at 19.04.11 12:45:58 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 51) :That makes no sense from the comp point of view…if u are gonna worry about bp’s later, u are not gonna have games left to accumulate enough to make it…the Sharks are 4 points below u only, yet we lost more games…thanks to bp’s!

  • Comment 53, posted at 19.04.11 12:46:11 by Pr'Ice Flower Reply
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  • @ Sammy – geez you and I are insync today! Lol

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  • @wpw (Comment 51) : but on a serious note…the Stormers were all over the Lions and i would have thought that Schalk would have kicked one or two of the penalties into the corners and gone for the famous Stormers push over tries. The Stormers are playing extremely conservatively and I think they can afford to be a bit more daring especially against the likes of the lions.

  • Comment 55, posted at 19.04.11 12:47:53 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 52) : @Pr’Ice Flower (Comment 53) :

    How many of those were for 4 tries?

  • Comment 56, posted at 19.04.11 12:49:16 by Morné Reply
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  • Back onto the Lambie vs. Grant discussion. I’m keen for both of them to play TriNations this year, tbh Grant offers more than Steyn (I think he does) and seems to have improved his kicking for poles (which is one of the main reasons Steyn was there), and then Lambie offers a very different dimension and has improved his kicking.

    We know what Steyn offers, and we can fall back on him if either Grant doesn’t make the step up or Lambie struggles with his kicking. I don’t think we need Steyn to play TriNations, he can have a lekker rest.

    From there it should be a lot clearer who to take, but I still think Butch will get the call ahead of both. But I’m keen to wait and see how he goes with the Lions first.

    At least we’ve ruled Jantjies out of contention for WC…

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  • @Morné (Comment 56) : oooh, good question. The S15 is built to keep the losing teams in contention, you can lose and still get 2 points, while a good win will gain you 4 points. That can’t be right, the same debate’s been raging with 5 points for a try and 3 points for a dropgoal.

  • Comment 58, posted at 19.04.11 12:51:50 by molly Reply
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  • WP have won so much awards…there’s no place for trophies… 😈 😆 😈

  • Comment 59, posted at 19.04.11 12:52:04 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Pr’Ice Flower (Comment 54) : 😎

  • Comment 60, posted at 19.04.11 12:52:55 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 56) : 3 if I am correct – Does it matter?

  • Comment 61, posted at 19.04.11 12:53:52 by Pr'Ice Flower Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 56) :
    4 tries against
    Crusaders
    Rebels
    Force
    Lions

  • Comment 62, posted at 19.04.11 12:54:08 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Charlie (Comment 59) : :mrgreen:

    @molly (Comment 58) : Might be, Molls…but that’s the way the cookie crumbles, so we will play by the format…if it suits ‘winning teams” or not! 😉

  • Comment 63, posted at 19.04.11 12:55:48 by Pr'Ice Flower Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 56) : I would like you comment on my questions 4 &6 please.

  • Comment 64, posted at 19.04.11 12:56:14 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Charlie (Comment 59) : other than the u18/u20/varsity cup ones?
    Look, its quite obvious most peeps here only like to focus on the small ones. Heaven forbid you give us any credit.

  • Comment 65, posted at 19.04.11 12:56:39 by molly Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 56) :
    I think its 4 for four tries and only 1 losing BP. We didnt get losing BPs against Saders and the Stormers. So theoretically we score a 4 try bonus point every 2 games, not bad considering that no one scores 4 trie sin Durban in Feb.

  • Comment 66, posted at 19.04.11 12:57:46 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 64) :

    I think ‘the way PDV’ wants the Boks to play is relative on the subject of Lambie.

    Any teams plays for territory and to maximize possession, it is how effectively you execute that it is important.

    Fact is, Morne Steyn’s accuracy in his kicking game has dropped, which leaves our chasers with no chance to re-gather possession like we did so successfully in 2009.

    Du Preez has just got back from injury but I am sure he will be as accurate as ever.

    What I like about a Lambie and Du Preez combination is the countless variety both of them bring to the game – Du Preez and Steyn bring one tactic to the game, Du Preez and Lambie can bring the precision kicking game Du Preez is excellent in, and the masterfull distribution and variation Lambie brings to the party.

    For me, a perfect combo.

  • Comment 67, posted at 19.04.11 13:01:20 by Morné Reply
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  • Absolutely. Lambie is the man. With him in the team the Sharks won 11 from 13 games…

  • Comment 68, posted at 19.04.11 13:01:29 by King Shark Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 32) : And with all that they are STILL not scoring any tries? 🙁

    Maybe the WP media has to much influence in Player of the Year selection. 🙂

  • Comment 69, posted at 19.04.11 13:03:20 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @molly (Comment 65) : You mean like the neo series and stuff? 😆

  • Comment 70, posted at 19.04.11 13:03:26 by Pr'Ice Flower Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 52) :

    Not worried at all.

    We’ve beaten you on your own ground and we’ve ‘worked you out’ 😈

  • Comment 71, posted at 19.04.11 13:04:36 by wpw Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 67) : Thanks for that and in theory that sounds great but will PdV be able to realize the potential I wonder ?

  • Comment 72, posted at 19.04.11 13:05:01 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 32) : And in which of those years did they win any trophies? 😛

  • Comment 73, posted at 19.04.11 13:06:19 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 71) : Flippit – ek hettie gewiet djy’s ok in daai stripe team nie??!! Ricky….? Isist djy?? 😯 😯 😆

  • Comment 74, posted at 19.04.11 13:06:57 by Pr'Ice Flower Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 71) :
    Eventually, we will have to alter the game plan for next week, then we should be safe for another 6 or 7 years. 😈

  • Comment 75, posted at 19.04.11 13:08:40 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 72) :

    I am sure he will, because as mentioned, rugby is all about territory and possession, how you get and keep it is how you use the players available to you.

    With Fourie & Lambie we can now vary between a kicking based territorial game and momentum rugby (ball in hand).

  • Comment 76, posted at 19.04.11 13:09:31 by Morné Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 69) :

    BORIIIINNNNGGGG!!! 🙄

  • Comment 77, posted at 19.04.11 13:09:49 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 71) : Superpat wasn’t playing…..I’m looking forward to the return match at Newlands and I think the Sharks will take it!

  • Comment 78, posted at 19.04.11 13:10:54 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pr’Ice Flower (Comment 70) : Thats the one. I think the bloggers on here are the only people who actually know the name of the warm up competition, thats how much you guys bring it up.

  • Comment 79, posted at 19.04.11 13:11:23 by molly Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 76) : I hope you are right! So have you been appointed as technical guru with the Boks yet?

  • Comment 80, posted at 19.04.11 13:12:48 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 79) : Oh – see Comment 38…it was actually brought up by one of your own…

  • Comment 81, posted at 19.04.11 13:13:27 by Pr'Ice Flower Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 80) :

    Not a chance pal!

  • Comment 82, posted at 19.04.11 13:15:50 by Morné Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 78) :

    There’s that arrogance most Sharks supporters are well known for!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 83, posted at 19.04.11 13:19:19 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 83) : I said I THINK we’ll take it…….but since I’m already being called arrogant I might as well say….THE SHARKS WILL BEAT THE STORMERS!!!

  • Comment 84, posted at 19.04.11 13:24:12 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pr’Ice Flower (Comment 81) : he was just pre-empting the obvious.

  • Comment 85, posted at 19.04.11 13:25:42 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 85) : Nah – I reckon he’s actually quite proud of that one..We are talking about Wes here..

  • Comment 86, posted at 19.04.11 13:33:36 by Pr'Ice Flower Reply
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  • Lmao hahaha what a pointless post we all know what’s gonna happen! Trinations-lambie will be pickd as cover for centre and fullback,morne and grant will be his 1st nd 2nd choice,whn the boks lose 3matches in a row in the tri-nations,he will rest his top choices,meaning lambie will start at 10 with ricky januari at 9(we are screwd)janjies at 15 hahahaha nd we lose tht match and than he will say lambie not ready(girly voice)come world cup same thing lambie always out of the 22 unless its the minor games ,I won’t even comment on how alberts won’t start a match in the tri nations 🙁

  • Comment 87, posted at 19.04.11 13:38:13 by Poisy Reply
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  • @Pr’Ice Flower (Comment 86) :

    Why don’t you ask both Charlie and Big Fish what I told them after the final whistle??

    I said the Sharks deserved to win that game – we didn’t.

    It’s called ‘being objective’ :mrgreen:

  • Comment 88, posted at 19.04.11 13:46:56 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 88) : No – that’s what I call being a closet Shark! 😆 Come Wes – I can defnitley acknowledge if we are lucky to win a game – I dont say that I am not happy about it, but i will give credit where credit is due.. 😉

  • Comment 89, posted at 19.04.11 13:52:53 by Pr'Ice Flower Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 55) : Gonna have to disagree on that one, Pokkel me old mate. I don’t think the Stormers were all over the lions. I think if the Lions had pulled their heads from their bums and had an ounce of self-belief they would have caught the Stormers napping. The Stormers are doing the bare minimum to get through. There’s no flair, no dazzling displays and no tries. Sure, they are winning, and that’s what counts, but on this very site when the Sharks opened their SupeRugby season doing the very same thing they were slated for it. And yet no-one slates the Stormers. Instead, they drop to their knees and salivate every time someone says Peter Grant. Grant was ineffectual against the Reds and was completely outclassed. I have yet to see Lambie outclassed by anyone. Including Dan Carter. 😎

  • Comment 90, posted at 19.04.11 13:55:35 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 57) : Frans Steyn has more hope of being picked for Springbok flyhalf than Butch James.

  • Comment 91, posted at 19.04.11 13:57:33 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 91) : And I have more chance of falling pregnant! 😆

  • Comment 92, posted at 19.04.11 14:01:25 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 88) : Stormers will win Super 15 – 2020… 😆

  • Comment 93, posted at 19.04.11 14:01:37 by Charlie Reply

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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 90) : Lambie has never played flyhalf against Carter.

    @SharonvanWyk (Comment 91) : Better chance yes because Pdiv is the coach.

  • Comment 94, posted at 19.04.11 14:02:16 by Ben Reply
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  • @Pr’Ice Flower (Comment 89) :

    So then give us credit for all our Neo Series trophies why don’t you?? 😈 :mrgreen:

  • Comment 95, posted at 19.04.11 14:07:08 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 95) : I knew that was coming!! :mrgreen: I DID say where credit is DUE! 😉

  • Comment 96, posted at 19.04.11 14:10:21 by Pr'Ice Flower Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 95) : 😆

  • Comment 97, posted at 19.04.11 14:23:04 by Charlie Reply

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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 90) : Grant looked average because the forwards were getting dominated, hard to look good when our possession stats looked as rubbish as they did.

    The Lions played as well as the Stormers allowed them to… or don’t we believe that statement here anymore?

  • Comment 98, posted at 19.04.11 14:36:00 by molly Reply
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  • I read this morn that the Reds have yet to play any NZ team, thats an interesting fact, can’t wait for that first game (even if it is the hurricanes).

  • Comment 99, posted at 19.04.11 14:42:30 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 98) : It’s a good statement, to be sure, but doesn’t take into account a team’s will to prevail against tough opposition. The Stormers weren’t the only opposition on the field on Saturday IMO, because the Lions’ mindset and inability to believe they could win the game played a crucial part in their downfall.

  • Comment 100, posted at 19.04.11 14:46:34 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 94) : I know he hasn’t, what I was saying is that I have yet to see Carter play as inspiringly as Lambie. And I know Ice is going to kill me now! 😆

  • Comment 101, posted at 19.04.11 14:48:12 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 99) :
    Should be interesting, they have already made the SA sides look stupid. Lions excluded. 😯

  • Comment 102, posted at 19.04.11 14:48:47 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 101) : Haha I wish you luck Shaz! 🙂

  • Comment 103, posted at 19.04.11 14:52:15 by Ben Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 101) : 😯 😯 You didn’t…..?? 😯 😆

  • Comment 104, posted at 19.04.11 14:54:17 by Pr'Ice Flower Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 101) : Seriously, did you just roughly say that Lambie is better than Carter? 😯

  • Comment 105, posted at 19.04.11 14:54:48 by molly Reply
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  • @Charlie (Comment 93) : Now there’s a prediction I can handle… So what are the Sharks going to be doing in 2020 Charlie? On holiday after winning the trophy for 8 years running? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 106, posted at 19.04.11 14:55:43 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 101) :

    I don’t think you will find a Sharks supporter on this site who agrees with that statement!!

    Lambie is a great talent but he is not even half the player Carter is!! 🙄

  • Comment 107, posted at 19.04.11 14:55:55 by wpw Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 105) : I don’t recall saying it roughly. I make no bones about saying that I think Lambie’s talent outstrips everything that has gone before it, Carter’s included. 😎

  • Comment 108, posted at 19.04.11 14:59:40 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 101) :
    I thought the dive Carter took when Alberts came bearing down on him, ball in hand, was quiete inspirational. Safety first I suppose.

  • Comment 109, posted at 19.04.11 14:59:52 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 107) : Why should that worry me? I’m used to leading packs, not following them. 😆

  • Comment 110, posted at 19.04.11 15:00:28 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 107) : Yet. 😎

  • Comment 111, posted at 19.04.11 15:01:00 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 109) : Absolutely. 😆

  • Comment 112, posted at 19.04.11 15:02:10 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 107) :
    Hey, Lambie doesnt dive.

  • Comment 113, posted at 19.04.11 15:02:19 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 101) : Shaz …..next thing you’ll be stalking poor Lambie…now you don’t really believe that do you?

  • Comment 114, posted at 19.04.11 15:02:59 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 107) : She said more inspiringly…that hardly means better, or does it?

  • Comment 115, posted at 19.04.11 15:03:23 by Pr'Ice Flower Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 114) : well not YET anyway 😉

  • Comment 116, posted at 19.04.11 15:04:28 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 114) : Aw Pokkel. Don’t spoil my fun! :mrgreen: And it takes more than SuperPat to get me in stalking mode! 😆

  • Comment 117, posted at 19.04.11 15:07:22 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @Pr’Ice Flower (Comment 115) : :mrgreen: I’ll plead the 5th on that point! 😆

  • Comment 118, posted at 19.04.11 15:10:18 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 117) : The only thing you’re inspired by is his boyishly good looks…..isn’t it the good looking Sharks players of the 90’s also the reason you started supporting the Sharks…….You cougar you!!!

  • Comment 119, posted at 19.04.11 15:12:39 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 119) : I will refer you to a post of Shaz:

    @Greg (Comment 16) : Touche, Greg. Hoist with my own petard, as they used to say. But there is a slight problem with your line of thinking. When I chose to support Natal I was fresh off the plane from Blighty, new to rugger and knew diddly squat about it. I had no other way of deciding who to support than relying on my predisposition for “pretty boys”! I got lucky (for want of a better phrase) because Natal happened to be a fine rugby team as well as a fine-looking rugby team.
    Now I am betting that the majority of people who watch SuperSport rugby are not complete rugby greenhorns, and would be a little more discerning than I originally was when faced with the prospect of who to select as “MY” team.
    All these years later, I stand by my decision to choose the boys in Black and White, but thankfully can now base my support on talent of a different kind!

  • Comment 120, posted at 19.04.11 15:31:12 by Pr'Ice Flower Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 119) : You have a point, but in this case it’s his actual talent that inspires. Cougar or not, SuperPat is just not my type! 😉

  • Comment 121, posted at 19.04.11 15:31:15 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @Pr’Ice Flower (Comment 120) : Thanks Ice. I see you’ve got my wing! 😆

  • Comment 122, posted at 19.04.11 15:32:15 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 122) : ala Top Gun, Sista! 😆

  • Comment 123, posted at 19.04.11 15:32:56 by Pr'Ice Flower Reply
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  • @Pr’Ice Flower (Comment 120) : @SharonvanWyk (Comment 121) : @SharonvanWyk (Comment 122) : @Pr’Ice Flower (Comment 123) : Good choice at the end Sharon…..Can you imagine articles like your on a Bulls supporters site…..most okes wouldn’t have a clue about what you’re trying to say 😆

  • Comment 124, posted at 19.04.11 15:38:02 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 124) : Or what I can like to say!!! 😆

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