Div names his 51 man squad

Written by Wesley Weber (wpw)

Posted in :Original Content, Springboks on 20 Apr 2011 at 12:22
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The South African Rugby Union on Wednesday named 51 players who have been called to a national team planning session at the start of next month. The players will attend two days of meetings and logistical discussions in the first of three national camps in preparation for the international season.

“SARU’s priority is first and foremost with Springbok preparations in this Rugby World Cup year and with the support of the provinces our national teams department has been able to plan three squad get-togethers during Vodacom Super Rugby,” explained Jurie Roux, SARU CEO.

“There are many demands on the Springboks as well as off-field operational matters to be attended to in a Rugby Wold Cup year and as part of Peter de Villiers’ long-term planning he requested that time be made now so that the team can get straight to on-field work once they gather for the first Tests of the year in July.”

De Villiers said: “Our first Tri-Nations Test kicks off only two weeks after the Vodacom Super Rugby final and I wanted to make sure that we can get straight to work on the field with some quality preparation when we get together and not be compromised by players familiarising themselves with our structures or understanding logistical issues.

“By the end of this series of camps I hope that any of the players we call on will be familiar with our on and off the field systems and the logistical boxes have all been ticked. These sessions are not about selection now – they’re about being ready when we make the final selections.”

The selectors named seven uncapped players in the planning group although only three of them are not already Springboks: wing Lionel Mapoe, scrumhalf Sarel Pretorius and looseforward Duane Vermeulen.

The four uncapped Springboks among the group are flyhalf Elton Jantjies, scrumhalf Charl McLeod and props Coenie Oosthuizen and Werner Kruger. All four appeared for the Springboks against the Barbarians in December, 2010.

Overseas based players were not considered for the sessions.

The closed planning session will take place in Cape Town on May 1 and 2.

The first Springbok squad of the season will be named on July 2 or 9, depending on South African representation in the Vodacom Super Rugby final.


Player Province Tests
Willem Alberts The Sharks 3
Gio Aplon DHL Western Province 13
Bjorn Basson Vodacom Blue Bulls 4
Andries Bekker DHL Western Province 24
Bakkies Botha Vodacom Blue Bulls 72
Heinrich Brüssow Toyota Free State Cheetahs 13
Schalk Burger DHL Western Province 63
Keegan Daniel The Sharks 1
Juan de Jongh DHL Western Province 6
Jean de Villiers DHL Western Province 67
Bismarck du Plessis The Sharks 36
Jannie du Plessis The Sharks 24
Fourie du Preez Vodacom Blue Bulls 55
Jaque Fourie DHL Western Province 62
Peter Grant DHL Western Province 5
Bryan Habana DHL Western Province 68
Alistair Hargreaves The Sharks 2
Francois Hougaard Vodacom Blue Bulls 8
Adi Jacobs The Sharks 32
Elton Jantjies MTN Golden Lions
Ricky Januarie DHL Western Province 47
Ryan Kankowski The Sharks 17
Zane Kirchner Vodacom Blue Bulls 14
Werner Kruger Vodacom Blue Bulls
Pat Lambie The Sharks 4
Francois Louw DHL Western Province 7
Bandise Maku MTN Golden Lions 1
Lionel Mapoe MTN Golden Lions
Victor Matfield Vodacom Blue Bulls 105
Charl McLeod The Sharks
Tendai Mtawarira The Sharks 26
Waylon Murray MTN Golden Lions 3
Lwazi Mvovo The Sharks 2
Odwa Ndungane The Sharks 7
Wynand Olivier Vodacom Blue Bulls 31
Coenie Oosthuizen Toyota Free State Cheetahs
JP Pietersen The Sharks 36
Dewaldt Potgieter Vodacom Blue Bulls 6
Sarel Pretorius GWK Griquas
Chiliboy Ralepelle Vodacom Blue Bulls 18
Danie Rossouw Vodacom Blue Bulls 54
John Smit The Sharks 102
Juan Smith Toyota Free State Cheetahs 69
Pierre Spies Vodacom Blue Bulls 40
Gurthrö Steenkamp Vodacom Blue Bulls 31
Deon Stegmann Vodacom Blue Bulls 4
Morné Steyn Vodacom Blue Bulls 25
Adriaan Strauss Toyota Free State Cheetahs 9
CJ van der Linde DHL Western Province 69
Flip van der Merwe Vodacom Blue Bulls 10
Duane Vermeulen DHL Western Province

Props (6):
Jannie du Plessis, Werner Kruger, Tendai Mtawarira, Coenie Oosthuizen, Gurthrö Steenkamp, CJ van der Linde

Hookers (5):
Bismarck du Plessis, Bandise Maku, John Smit, Adriaan Strauss, Chiliboy Ralepelle

Locks (5):
Andries Bekker, Bakkies Botha, Alistair Hargreaves, Victor Matfield, Flip van der Merwe

Forwards (9):
Willem Alberts, Heinrich Brüssow, Schalk Burger, Keegan Daniel, Francois Louw, Dewaldt Potgieter, Danie Rossouw, Juan Smith, Deon Stegmann

Eighth Men (3):
Ryan Kankowski, Pierre Spies, Duane Vermeulen

Scrumhalfs (5):
Fourie du Preez, Francois Hougaard, Ricky Januarie, Charl McLeod, Sarel Pretorius

Flyhalfs (4):
Peter Grant, Elton Jantjies, Pat Lambie, Morné Steyn

Centres (6):
Juan de Jongh, Jean de Villiers, Jaque Fourie, Adi Jacobs, Waylon Murray, Wynand Olivier

Wings (6):
Bjorn Basson, Bryan Habana, Lionel Mapoe, Lwazi Mvovo, Odwa Ndungane, JP Pietersen

Fullbacks (2):
Gio Aplon, Zane Kirchner


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  • Comment 1, posted at 20.04.11 12:23:38 by wpw Reply
  • Not many surprises except maybe Waylon Murray and Lionel Mapoe. Doppies unlucky not to make it.

  • Comment 2, posted at 20.04.11 12:26:34 by Pokkel Reply
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  • The team breakdown:
    Vodacom Blue Bulls – 16
    The Sharks – 14
    DHL Western Province – 12
    MTN Golden Lions – 4
    Toyota Free State Cheetahs – 4
    GWK Griquas – 1

  • Comment 3, posted at 20.04.11 12:26:50 by Viking Reply
  • Happy for Sarel Pretorius and Duane Vermeulen though…they deserve it.

  • Comment 4, posted at 20.04.11 12:27:33 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 2) : I also didn’t think that they would make it. I thought that Bandiso Maku would also not have made the cut.

  • Comment 5, posted at 20.04.11 12:27:51 by Viking Reply
  • Not a lot of fullback options in that squad!

  • Comment 6, posted at 20.04.11 12:28:04 by Pokkel Reply
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  • But lets be honest. This list is a list of whos who in SA rugby. You basically just have to catch the ball to make the list. Lets wait and see what it looks like when its trimmed down to 30 for the WC.

  • Comment 7, posted at 20.04.11 12:29:32 by Viking Reply
  • @Pokkel (Comment 6) :

    Remember Frans Verstaan is a definite for the final squad so i wouldn’t worry about that!!

    He is after all the first choice 15 imho.

  • Comment 8, posted at 20.04.11 12:30:13 by wpw Reply
  • @Pokkel (Comment 6) : I wouldn;t count Aplon as a fullback. Then you can add JP in there as well. Bottom line, only on FB was selected. Maybe it leaves the door open for Fransie to make the WC squad?

  • Comment 9, posted at 20.04.11 12:31:06 by Viking Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 8) : You can’t leave a guy at home that can make a 65 meter drop goal…

  • Comment 10, posted at 20.04.11 12:32:07 by Viking Reply
  • @Viking (Comment 7) :

    I think its a very decent squad.

    I personally would not have selected the likes of CJ, Mapoe or Januarie or even Jantjies there but hey, at least Earl Rose aint there!! 😉

  • Comment 11, posted at 20.04.11 12:32:31 by wpw Reply
  • There is also a couple of oversees players that still need to be considered at a later stage;
    Ruan Pienaar
    Butch James
    Frans Steyn
    BJ Botha
    Brian Mujati

  • Comment 12, posted at 20.04.11 12:34:50 by Viking Reply
  • No Ruaan Pienaar?

  • Comment 13, posted at 20.04.11 12:35:04 by ruggabugga Reply

  • @Viking (Comment 10) :

    ‘Overseas based players were not considered for the sessions’ 🙄

  • Comment 14, posted at 20.04.11 12:35:50 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 11) : Agree with you and I am sure it was close for Rose. Maybe he droped the ball…

  • Comment 15, posted at 20.04.11 12:36:17 by Viking Reply
  • @ruggabugga (Comment 13) : Well it’s only players that is playing in SA at this stage…overseas based players weren’t considered for the sessions…they will form part of it later…

    @wpw (Comment 1) : I think we can probably move Chillipip to the hookers section…? 🙂 I haven’t seen much of him as a prop…

  • Comment 16, posted at 20.04.11 12:38:22 by AlienArmy Reply

  • Not a particularly controversial squad. The biggest issue for me is the inclusion of the two Bulls loosies, Dewaldt Potgieter and Deon Stegmann. Neither of those two are of international quality. I also have reservations about a number of players based on current form, but that horse has been flogged sufficiently for now.

    I feel sorry for Steven Sykes; imo he’s certainly done enough to warrant inclusion in the wider group…

  • Comment 17, posted at 20.04.11 12:38:26 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 14) : Yes but they will have to be once the squad is trimmed down to 30 for the WC.

  • Comment 18, posted at 20.04.11 12:38:35 by Viking Reply
  • I would have had Riaan Viljoen there….he is probably one of the most gifted rugby players in SA….and he has a boot as big as Frans.

    He does have the occasional brain fart though.

  • Comment 19, posted at 20.04.11 12:39:05 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @AlienArmy (Comment 16) : Chilli is trying to follow in John Smit’s footsteps…

  • Comment 20, posted at 20.04.11 12:39:37 by Culling Song Reply
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  • Chilliboy Ralapele a prop? 😯 Ricky Januarie a scrumhalf? 😯

  • Comment 21, posted at 20.04.11 12:40:55 by Jarson (AddicteD) Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 20) : haha…well, worth a try, as he is not getting past John and Bissie!

    Feel sorry for Sykes though, would have thought he should at least get a look in for this wider group, no wonder the poor guys is leaving for Ireland

  • Comment 22, posted at 20.04.11 12:42:54 by AlienArmy Reply

  • @AlienArmy (Comment 22) : There are a couple of guys I would have dropped to give Sykes a chance. The guy is playing very well at this stage.

  • Comment 23, posted at 20.04.11 12:46:21 by Viking Reply
  • @Culling Song (Comment 20) : Also, in order for him to try and follow in John’s footsteps, he should at least try and be as brilliant as John is in his current position…?! 🙂

    Funny though, Gary Botha made this big thing about coming back to SA and getting his place back in the bok team…I can’t think of one second of rugby this year from him that would have warranted selection for him – but hey, that goes for plenty bulls players at the moment!

  • Comment 24, posted at 20.04.11 12:49:00 by AlienArmy Reply

  • @Culling Song (Comment 20) :
    Its a Pretoria Boys High thing.

  • Comment 25, posted at 20.04.11 12:49:13 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • What a pity Syksie isnt there. Would that be in retaliation for him going to Ireland? He’s way better than Stegman and Potgieter.

  • Comment 26, posted at 20.04.11 12:50:02 by Caratacus Reply

  • @Jarson (AddicteD) (Comment 21) :

    Jarson (Addicted) a blogger?? 😯 😈

  • Comment 27, posted at 20.04.11 12:50:42 by wpw Reply
  • Doppies should feel robbed.

  • Comment 28, posted at 20.04.11 12:51:20 by vanmartin Reply
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  • What the hell did Ashley Johnson do wrong?

  • Comment 29, posted at 20.04.11 12:52:18 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 29) : sorry, can’t agree with you there…he is OK at best…but hey, I also don’t understand what the big who-ha is about Duane Vermeulen…?

  • Comment 30, posted at 20.04.11 12:55:22 by AlienArmy Reply

  • @Ben (Comment 29) : Not so much of what he did wrong than who he contends with. That 7/8 spots don’t come cheap. But yeah, he’s unlucky not to make a 50 man squad.

  • Comment 31, posted at 20.04.11 12:55:51 by Viking Reply
  • @Ben (Comment 29) : Well he probably deserves a spot ahead of Pierre Spies at this stage although I don think a tad inconsistent.

  • Comment 32, posted at 20.04.11 12:56:48 by vanmartin Reply
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  • I rate Ashley higher than Dewaldt Potgieter, Deon Stegman and Pierre Spies at the moment. Ashley should have at least made the 51 man squad.

  • Comment 33, posted at 20.04.11 12:59:40 by Ben Reply
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  • @Caratacus (Comment 26) :

    Sykes is NOT a looseforward.

    Are you a Sharks supporter?? Did you know he is a no 4 lock?? 🙄

  • Comment 34, posted at 20.04.11 12:59:49 by wpw Reply
  • @vanmartin (Comment 28) : As should Jaco Taute

  • Comment 35, posted at 20.04.11 13:00:11 by Greg Reply

  • @AlienArmy (Comment 30) : Don’t agree that he is okay at best, he is brilliant at best imo.

  • Comment 36, posted at 20.04.11 13:01:28 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 29) : Just go look at his missed tackle and handling stats….he can be brilliant but way too inconsistent

  • Comment 37, posted at 20.04.11 13:05:19 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 33) : It boggles the mind what stegman and potgieter is doing there!! Spies wont get dropped, he’s big and….well that’s it…he is big, hey it seems to work for Ricky!

    If Spies played with the same heart as Keegan, he would be unstoppable! Unfortunately he’s a bit scared of this contact sport

  • Comment 38, posted at 20.04.11 13:05:34 by AlienArmy Reply

  • Wynand above Doppies?? 🙄

    This list doesn`t mean much anyway. They`re not taking 50 guys to the world cup so this is pretty much just eye-blind me thinks.

  • Comment 39, posted at 20.04.11 13:07:13 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 37) : I can name at least 15 names from this 51 man squad that are inconsistant. My point is Ashley is good enough to make a 51 man Springbok squad.

  • Comment 40, posted at 20.04.11 13:07:44 by Ben Reply
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  • Their are a lot of loosies in SA that can feel hard done by when Stegman, Potgieter and Spies gets selected before them.

  • Comment 41, posted at 20.04.11 13:08:04 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 36) : fair enough…I still don’t think he is good enough…his handling is average, his to upright in the tackle, and he is inconsistent…dit lyk net soms asof sy kop hom los… 🙂

  • Comment 42, posted at 20.04.11 13:08:36 by AlienArmy Reply

  • @Ben (Comment 40) : I wouldn’t have him in my top 50. I would pick Whitely, Strauss,Minnie and even Kabamba before any of the Bulls loosies or Johnstone.

  • Comment 43, posted at 20.04.11 13:11:27 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 27) : I’m trying to be 😉

  • Comment 44, posted at 20.04.11 13:11:50 by Jarson (AddicteD) Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 40) : And so is Doppies and Sykes…

    Point is I wont leave out one of the current 8’s in this list for Ashley…

  • Comment 45, posted at 20.04.11 13:12:42 by AlienArmy Reply

  • @Pokkel (Comment 43) : Lol okay Pokkel

  • Comment 46, posted at 20.04.11 13:13:27 by Ben Reply
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  • @AlienArmy (Comment 45) : I’d leave out Spies honestly. But aint ever gonna happen

  • Comment 47, posted at 20.04.11 13:15:15 by Ben Reply
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  • Just saw the group. Really Divvie? Januarie?! Im 125kg and his gut makes mine almost look small

  • Comment 48, posted at 20.04.11 13:19:15 by KingRiaan Reply

  • In all honesty he could have dropped Jantjies and have made it a nice round 50. The guy is not making the Lions starting lineup, how do you expect him to make the bokke with guys like Lambie, Steyn, Grant and Butch in contention. Nice way to build a persons confidence just before you know him back down.

  • Comment 49, posted at 20.04.11 13:25:39 by Viking Reply
  • Okay I see no one is taking my side on this Ashley case, I’ll just go find the nearest hole and crawl into it now! 🙂

  • Comment 50, posted at 20.04.11 13:25:53 by Ben Reply
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  • @Viking (Comment 49) :

    Does it really matter if Jantjies is there or not??

    Everyone (including the player) knows he won’t be selected anytime soon so what’s wrong having him learn from senior Boks with RWC winners medals??

  • Comment 51, posted at 20.04.11 13:36:30 by wpw Reply
  • Sykes is very undervalued in this country. Let’s hope this motivates him even more to show the selectors what they’ll be missing out on post RWC. How many quality no 4 locks are going to be in the counrty post RWC? No vision from PDV!

  • Comment 52, posted at 20.04.11 13:38:09 by GreatSharksays Reply

  • @wpw (Comment 51) : True but even so he is also possibly taking a spot from another person who could also learn from winning boks. Besides this is only a “Planning and Logistics” Session. Whatever that means i don’t think it involves a lot of on field stuff.

  • Comment 53, posted at 20.04.11 13:45:29 by Viking Reply
  • GO BOKKE !!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • Comment 54, posted at 20.04.11 13:46:06 by Charlie Reply

  • Jantjies must be the most over rated player in SA at the moment.

  • Comment 55, posted at 20.04.11 13:51:41 by Uli Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 55) : Shouldn’t you actually be rated first before you become over rated? 🙂

  • Comment 56, posted at 20.04.11 13:55:48 by Ben Reply
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  • This should not even be called a bok squad. A more appropriate heading would have been “51 SA players invited to Bok Conference”. All they will be doing is talking about what will happen should you get selected.

  • Comment 57, posted at 20.04.11 14:03:36 by Viking Reply
  • Players who should not be there,

    Coenie Oosthuizen – penalty machine

    Bandise Maku – we all know there are plenty of other better hookers in town.

    Dewaldt Potgieter – Just not in the same class as a Willem Alberts

    Deon Stegmann – Just not in the same class as a Willem Alberts

    Ricky Januarie – we all know why.

    Elton Jantjies – over rated atm.

    Wynand Olivier – where has he been? He has how ever showed he is a ver good Super rugby player and has shown nothing internationally.

    Lionel Mapoe – he needs to actually prove to all the unions why they fought about him, at this stage I am glad he is not in Sharks colours.

    Bjorn Basson- wow he can fly… but seriously, he is just another currie cup player nothing more.

    Zane Kirchner- need I say more?

  • Comment 58, posted at 20.04.11 14:04:58 by Uli Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 56) : lol agreed.

  • Comment 59, posted at 20.04.11 14:05:29 by Uli Reply
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  • The reason andries(center) did not make the sqaud is because of injury?

  • Comment 60, posted at 20.04.11 14:09:02 by franshark Reply
  • Can’t read too muc into a squad chosen to discuss “logistics”, but relieving to see no big omissions.

    Sure, some lucky inclusions, but this is a 51-man squad – they could be dropped anytime.
    Really wish Deysel had time to prove himself – he would have made a welcome addition to our forward pack, considering some of the selections here.

  • Comment 61, posted at 20.04.11 14:11:43 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @franshark (Comment 60) : Don’t think so. Brussow and Juan Smith has been included and both are injured at this stage. Too bad for him though…

  • Comment 62, posted at 20.04.11 14:14:06 by Viking Reply
  • @franshark (Comment 60) : So why is Juan Smith in this squad? Will Andries be injured till after the WC?

  • Comment 63, posted at 20.04.11 14:14:19 by Ben Reply
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  • @Viking (Comment 62) : You know what they say about great minds? 🙂

  • Comment 64, posted at 20.04.11 14:15:42 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 64) : And about Fools who never differ….. 😉

  • Comment 65, posted at 20.04.11 14:17:30 by Pr'Ice Flower Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 61) : …no big omissions!? Dude, Steven Sykes!!

    I am sorry to say, but you’re going to have to put in some hard yards to develop the proper partisan, blinkered and biased, pro-Sharks-at-all-costs attitude. Objectivity be damned, this will not stand!

  • Comment 66, posted at 20.04.11 14:20:36 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Pr’Ice Flower (Comment 65) : 🙂 En jy weet wat se hul van skerp potlode wat stomp raak! 😉

  • Comment 67, posted at 20.04.11 14:22:08 by Ben Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 66) : 😆 Tell him!

  • Comment 68, posted at 20.04.11 14:22:51 by Pr'Ice Flower Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 58) :

    Surprise surpise. Not one Sharks player on that list. 🙄

  • Comment 69, posted at 20.04.11 14:23:11 by wpw Reply
  • @Ben (Comment 67) : Gelukkig het ek ‘n skerpmaker….baie lood in die potlood! 😆

  • Comment 70, posted at 20.04.11 14:24:27 by Pr'Ice Flower Reply
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  • Jees, we’re talking about players unlucky not to make this squad, there’s about 20 of these guys not going…..

  • Comment 71, posted at 20.04.11 14:24:51 by franshark Reply
  • @Culling Song (Comment 66) : 😆 😆

  • Comment 72, posted at 20.04.11 14:25:04 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 69) : Which Sharks player/s would you say do not deserve to be in this wider squad?? If anything else, there should have been a couple more!

  • Comment 73, posted at 20.04.11 14:26:10 by Pr'Ice Flower Reply
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  • @Pr’Ice Flower (Comment 70) : LOL :mrgreen:

  • Comment 74, posted at 20.04.11 14:26:17 by Ben Reply
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  • @Uli (Comment 58) :

    Dude, Basson has scored 5 tries thus far which is only 1 behind Sarel Pretorius. How is he just a good CC player??

    Now if you said Habana then I’d understand!!

  • Comment 75, posted at 20.04.11 14:28:01 by wpw Reply
  • @franshark (Comment 71) : And I have a funny feeling some of them would be dudes that wil deserve a spot ahead of some that would make it too..

  • Comment 76, posted at 20.04.11 14:28:25 by Pr'Ice Flower Reply
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  • @Pr’Ice Flower (Comment 73) :

    Keegan, Hargreaves and McLeod!!

  • Comment 77, posted at 20.04.11 14:29:05 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 77) : Don’t agree there. Show me who is a better 5 lock that has not been included. Same for keegen and same goes for Mcleod.

  • Comment 78, posted at 20.04.11 14:32:36 by Viking Reply
  • @Culling Song (Comment 66) :
    Sorry nuncle!

    Thing is though, I can’t recall the last time he posed a threat on opposition lineouts. Yes, he is superb in the rucks (one of the very best), has a solid workrate and doesn’t prance around in the backline, but I can’t say that he is clearly better than Flip.

    And for me, the inclusion of the 2007 Boks in the squad is a non-negotiable – despite form to date. WC-winning experience is a precious commodity.

  • Comment 79, posted at 20.04.11 14:33:07 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 77) : This is NOT the Boks squad Wes…who else would have put in their places in the wider squad?

    Now – question 2 – please eloborate with reasons and facts why you reckon these three guys do not desetve to be named in the wider squad. (this will count as 50% of the paper)

  • Comment 80, posted at 20.04.11 14:33:16 by Pr'Ice Flower Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 79) : Fish – I honestly do not understand this – I mean, Habana has all teh experience in the world and is not performing – so what really does it help having him in the team if he cannot deliver the goods. Thats why I said the other day – then we might as well go and call on Stransky or Jouba or any of these guysm give them kit and ask them to win us the current WC…

  • Comment 81, posted at 20.04.11 14:36:41 by Pr'Ice Flower Reply
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  • The only good that a 51 player “Bok squad” does is to generate comments on rugby blogs. It does naught for preparing for the world cup.

  • Comment 82, posted at 20.04.11 14:37:16 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Good news for the Sharks and bad news for Wes is that Plum will concider Deysel for the Stormers game 😀 according to an article on the official Sharks site.

  • Comment 83, posted at 20.04.11 14:37:24 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Viking (Comment 78) :

    Keegan is too small/light for test rugby.

    McLeod is being found out at Super rugby level. Having said that, I wouldn’t pick Ricky ahead of him. I think FDP, Ruan, Sarel and Hougaard offers more than Charl.

    As for Hargreaves – I’m just not a fan of his.

  • Comment 84, posted at 20.04.11 14:38:36 by wpw Reply
  • @Pr’Ice Flower (Comment 81) : I agree that if you have the experience it will help a hell of a lot, but only if you are on form. Otherwise they must go with in consultation capacity..

  • Comment 85, posted at 20.04.11 14:38:50 by Pr'Ice Flower Reply
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  • @Pr’Ice Flower (Comment 80) : LOL

    @Pr’Ice Flower (Comment 81) : Habana can tell the guys what not to do at this stage. Still valuable insight. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 86, posted at 20.04.11 14:39:25 by Viking Reply
  • @Salmonoid (Comment 82) : agree with you there. Not much to read into here. Although I am stoked for Waylon Murray though. I always thought the Sharks should have tried to hold onto him.

  • Comment 87, posted at 20.04.11 14:40:08 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @Viking (Comment 86) : See comment 85 😆

  • Comment 88, posted at 20.04.11 14:42:22 by Pr'Ice Flower Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 84) : OK, I will drop Charl for Ruan but lets keep it this way as oversees players were not considered at this stage.

    As for Keegen, yes he may be on the shorter side but don’t believe that 94KG’s are too light. Plus he makes up for it in the way he plays. Has a lot of heart and warrants an inclusion into the wider group.

  • Comment 89, posted at 20.04.11 14:43:26 by Viking Reply
  • @Pr’Ice Flower (Comment 85) : I like that. There are plenty of consultants we can take with. Do you think there is a limit imposed by the IRB? 😆

  • Comment 90, posted at 20.04.11 14:45:05 by Viking Reply
  • @Pr’Ice Flower (Comment 81) :
    Ys, it is certainly a difficult balance to strike, but experience in winning knock-outs is not to be taken lightly. The pressure and intensity is on a whole other level, and as shown by Dad’s Army for England in 2007, experience can pull you through the pressure-cooker.

    There is still enough time to trim out the non-performers later, so I see no harm in including the hardened warriors and giving them all the opportunity to reclaim their aura.

    That said, I’m also concerned by Habana’s attacking impotence, Matfield’s lost lineout threat, Bakkies forgotten hard edge, etc.

  • Comment 91, posted at 20.04.11 14:47:32 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Viking (Comment 90) : fire all the togbag carriers and waterboys and a few other useless jobs, put them into that and you can have a consultions whilst your bag is being carried for you!

  • Comment 92, posted at 20.04.11 14:48:22 by Pr'Ice Flower Reply
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  • @CapeShark (Comment 87) :
    Agree, I like Waylon but it seems that John Mitchell is somehow getting him back to good form, something which our coaches just could not do. Waylon the Lion is way better than he was with us.

  • Comment 93, posted at 20.04.11 14:56:40 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 91) :
    Sadly the rational side of my brain agrees with you but you could also argue that sending a young team to the WC2011 will provide experienced players for the RWC2015. Sadly the rational side of my brain can’t see the Boks winning the WC under the current structures.

    I will always support the Boks no matter who’s playing but I’m thinking further than RWC2011

  • Comment 94, posted at 20.04.11 15:00:14 by Pokkel Reply
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  • You guys are talking smack about the Bulle. Oh no wait, they call them the Boks these days. 🙂

  • Comment 95, posted at 20.04.11 15:00:35 by Ben Reply
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  • Maakie saak of ek ‘n fan van ‘n speler issie, ek wil nettie WC wen, soe wie eva die job doen, I LIKE !!! GO BOKKE !!! (PS – Support ‘n slag die span en hou op met provinsialisme !!!)

  • Comment 96, posted at 20.04.11 15:09:32 by Charlie Reply

  • @wpw (Comment 1) : Okay THAT looks better. 😉

  • Comment 97, posted at 20.04.11 15:12:39 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Charlie (Comment 96) : Moenie worry nie Charlie….teen September skreeu ons almal virrie Bokke!

  • Comment 98, posted at 20.04.11 15:12:49 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 94) :
    Pokkel me-mate, the reality is that an informed decision was made by SARU in 2008 that the vast majority of the 2007 squad was going to play in 2011.

    It made sense at the time, and the 2009 performances bore this out. It is now too late to change that direction – our success depends on the powers that be getting the best from the old warhorses in their last hurrah.

    For the record, I think that the gap between where we are right now and where we need to be to win is not that large.

    The major concerns are the locks, halfbacks and 15.

    Matfield and Botha, FDP and Frans are the big guns we need to fire there, while flyhalf is the only area that doesn’t have a sure-fire selection – although Lambie has the potential, if not the experience.

  • Comment 99, posted at 20.04.11 15:13:55 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 98) : 😆 😈 😆

  • Comment 100, posted at 20.04.11 15:16:16 by Charlie Reply

  • @Big Fish (Comment 99) :
    I truly hope you are right oh wise one!

    I suppose this year looks a lot like 2007 where the Boks weren’t really given a chance. Let’s hope the old warhorses have one last trick up their sleeves.

  • Comment 101, posted at 20.04.11 15:18:01 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 97) :

    You gotta show me how to add tables, etc to an article!! 😯

  • Comment 102, posted at 20.04.11 15:37:38 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 102) : I also want to know! LOL

  • Comment 103, posted at 20.04.11 15:38:26 by Pr'Ice Flower Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 102) : @Pr’Ice Flower (Comment 103) : 😆 😆 😆

  • Comment 104, posted at 20.04.11 16:12:43 by Charlie Reply

  • @wpw (Comment 102) :
    @Pr’Ice Flower (Comment 103) :


    Add the text of the article (excluding the table) as you normally would (In the HTML view)

    Then copy the table as it appears on the source.

    Now change to the Visual view and paste the table.

    Walla!!!!!!!! and IF you are lucky the table will automatically size to the page. 🙂

  • Comment 105, posted at 20.04.11 16:30:18 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 105) : Oh and i suggest you use the “Preview” option a few times until you get the hang of it.

    i’ve posted a few weird ones once or twice until i got sorted

  • Comment 106, posted at 20.04.11 16:31:42 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 84) : Keegan is too small/light for test rugby…. So what does that make Aplon then, Chuck bleedin’ Norris? 🙄 😆

  • Comment 107, posted at 20.04.11 16:38:39 by SharonvanWyk Reply
  • @Pokkel (Comment 94) : Now that is a really valid point. WC experience now will definitely pave the way forward for the younger crop of players to get a good competitive edge in 2015.

  • Comment 108, posted at 20.04.11 16:41:19 by SharonvanWyk Reply
  • Elton Jantjies……..lol

  • Comment 109, posted at 20.04.11 16:48:12 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • According to sportbilly tweet, bisie scored the most try’s of sa forwards and most turnover, sorry he can not be replaced by john… A litle bit of work between him and the line and lineouts will be sorted…

  • Comment 110, posted at 20.04.11 16:52:55 by franshark Reply
  • @franshark (Comment 110) : Except that the pilfer stat is the one you want to be the highest in. (In which he doesn’t feature)
    Most Pilfers
    1. Matt Todd (Crusaders) 7
    1. Patrick McCutcheon (Waratahs) 7
    3. Coenrad Oosthuizen (Cheetahs) 5
    3. Francois Louw (Stormers) 5
    5. Andrew Hore (Hurricanes) 4
    5. David Pocock (Force) 4
    5. Ita Vaea (Brumbies) 4
    5. Louis Ludik (Sharks) 4
    5. Matthew Hodgson (Force) 4
    5. Sarel Pretorius (Cheetahs) 4
    11. Andries Bekker (Stormers) 3
    11. Beau Robinson (Reds) 3
    11. Bismarck du Plessis (Sharks) 3
    11. Derick Minnie (Lions) 3
    11. Duane Vermeulen (Stormers) 3
    11. Keegan Daniel (Sharks) 3
    11. Nasi Manu (Highlanders) 3
    11. Rory Kockott (Lions) 3
    11. Scott Waldrom (Chiefs) 3
    11. Tana Umaga (Chiefs) 3

    The turnover stat is when you turned the ball over to the opposition. (In which Bismarck IS the highest)
    1. Bismarck du Plessis (Sharks) 30
    2. Ged Robinson (Rebels) 23
    2. Ryno Barnes (Cheetahs) 23
    2. Sitiveni Sivivatu (Chiefs) 23
    5. Corey Flynn (Crusaders) 22
    5. Deon Fourie (Stormers) 22
    5. Quade Cooper (Reds) 22
    8. Bandise Maku (Lions) 21
    8. Bryan Habana (Stormers) 21
    8. Keven Mealamu (Blues) 21
    8. Rene Ranger (Blues) 21
    12. Adam Thomson (Highlanders) 19
    12. Hikawera Elliot (Chiefs) 19
    12. Kurtley Beale (Waratahs) 19
    15. Charl Mcleod (Sharks) 18
    15. Danny Cipriani (Rebels) 18
    15. Sarel Pretorius (Cheetahs) 18
    18. Ben Whittaker (Force) 17
    18. Ita Vaea (Brumbies) 17
    18. James O’Connor (Force) 17

    And saying he has scored the most tries of SA forwards is not entirely the WHOLE truth, because he shares that with Whiteley and Alberts. Whiteley isn’t even in the 51.

    13. Bismarck du Plessis (Sharks) 3
    13. Digby Ioane (Reds) 3
    13. James O’Connor (Force) 3
    13. Kurtley Beale (Waratahs) 3
    13. Matt Giteau (Brumbies) 3
    13. Warren Whiteley (Lions) 3
    13. Willem Alberts (Sharks) 3

  • Comment 111, posted at 20.04.11 17:46:37 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 111) : The full list of try scorers.

    Most Tries
    1. Sean Maitland (Crusaders) 8
    2. Adam Thomson (Highlanders) 6
    2. Drew Mitchell (Waratahs) 6
    2. Sarel Pretorius (Cheetahs) 6
    5. Bjorn Basson (Bulls) 5
    5. Israel Dagg (Crusaders) 5
    7. Jared Payne (Blues) 4
    7. Kade Poki (Highlanders) 4
    7. Lelia Masaga (Chiefs) 4
    7. Luke Morahan (Reds) 4
    7. Rene Ranger (Blues) 4
    7. Robert Fruean (Crusaders) 4
    13. Alby Mathewson (Blues) 3
    13. Bismarck du Plessis (Sharks) 3
    13. Digby Ioane (Reds) 3
    13. James O’Connor (Force) 3
    13. Kurtley Beale (Waratahs) 3
    13. Matt Giteau (Brumbies) 3
    13. Warren Whiteley (Lions) 3
    13. Willem Alberts (Sharks) 3

  • Comment 112, posted at 20.04.11 17:48:36 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • I reckon Syksie is the unluckiest player out there. Going to Ireland or not he is the best and hardest working lock we have in this country.(Also by far concedes the least penalties compared to the other hard men).The Sharks are going to realise soon enough how much work he gets through when he’s no longer there.

  • Comment 113, posted at 21.04.11 08:26:52 by Flintshark Reply

  • Something missing from that squad?


  • Comment 114, posted at 21.04.11 09:05:18 by Uli Reply
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