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Talking smack about Smit


Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 20 Apr 2011 at 09:10
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It’s interesting to note that certain rugby journalists – particularly those who have an association with a certain blog site, seem to love taking pot shots at Sharks players, with those whose achievements far outstrip anything the journalists in question have managed singled out for particular attention. In this light, Grant Ball’s latest musing about John Smit on Rugby365 is not really all that surprising.

There’s a lot of Smit-bashing going on in the media at the moment, of course, in no small part thanks to the fact that Peter de Villiers has again made some or other inane statement in the media that should probably rather have been made behind closed doors. Fact is, if the national coach is concerned about where or how a player is being used, it would probably be a better idea all round to discuss those concerns privately with the parties involved, before creating a big stir in the press. That’s by the by now, though, with Smit once again target number one in the eyes of the bored rugby scribes of the world.

So what has Ball come up with now? He alleges that an ongoing feud between Smit and Bismarck du Plessis was the sole reason behind the Sharks’ run of 5 losses in last year’s Super 14. He goes on to say that there was a “training field bust-up” of some sort between the two on tour, which I found quite interesting indeed, given that I’d heard no mention of this incident before, despite it supposedly taking place more than a year ago. So I did what any right-minded person would do and started asking people who were actually there…

The conclusion I’ve come to is that Ball made the story up. People close to (and even within) the team that I spoke to thought the story was quite funny, because they simply couldn’t imagine anything more outrageous taking place between two guys whose levels of professionalism, but also personal friendship based on mutual respect, would never allow it. The consensus was that if John and Bismarck did have some sort of a problem between them – of which nobody else has ever seen any signs – they would have sorted it out in private and NEVER in front of the whole team.

So, in short, Grant Ball is talking smack and once again starting rumours based on accusations that have no foundation in fact. Pretty standard fare for a guy who learned his trade at the knee of the master of such journalism. I’m just a little saddened that Jan de Koning, a guy for whom I have a huge amount of respect, allows unsubstantiated nonsense of this sort to sully his great website.


107 Comments

  • Ouch… 😉

  • Comment 1, posted at 20.04.11 09:17:34 by Morné Reply
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  • Smit is a legend and deserves better.

  • Comment 2, posted at 20.04.11 09:20:44 by war1 Reply
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  • Nice one… I am also getting tired of the media bashing… Seems it is ok to bash the sharks and their players. I have also noticed this on other sites and rugby “journalists” twitter feed.

  • Comment 3, posted at 20.04.11 09:25:38 by go_4 Reply

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  • Wouldn’t happen on this great website ! 😀

  • Comment 4, posted at 20.04.11 09:26:53 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • …Grant Ball is ‘n drol…Gaan sê vir hom ek sê soe 👿

  • Comment 5, posted at 20.04.11 09:35:10 by Charlie Reply

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  • Rugby 365 has some great articles….but some of the okes that comment there are just plain idiots.

  • Comment 6, posted at 20.04.11 09:38:34 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 6) : some of their journos as well.

  • Comment 7, posted at 20.04.11 09:39:32 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 7) : That’s what happens if you take on journos that were trained at Voldy 👿

  • Comment 8, posted at 20.04.11 09:42:21 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Charlie (Comment 5) : Ek se ok soe!

  • Comment 9, posted at 20.04.11 09:43:12 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Yes well we should all concede that Smit is a far second to Bismarc ,but really on par with many other hookers in the s15, not to say he is an all round hooker but what he lacks in mobility he makes up for in sound technique ,size and strength.

    One just has to look at a game last year when the sharks beat the stormers and he played hooker .

    But I agree the keo group write utter rubish and rarely offer any true rugby sense between their paragraphs. I could listen to my sister ,who will never be lady rugga 😉 , and derive more sense than that lot. Further more keo ,the man himself appears to be to immature to be taken seriously ; I read a tweet of his about how his business deal went pear shaped with jake white -he said he sent Jake white sms`s saying that if he was a good christian he would have not done what he did…

    My word do get me started

  • Comment 10, posted at 20.04.11 09:43:37 by Talent Reply
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  • Well said Rob and lets call a spade a spade…Or a drol a drol… 😯

  • Comment 11, posted at 20.04.11 09:45:19 by Viking Reply
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  • Not sad its disgusting. And sue – able as well because that is straight libel.Hope somebody somewhere takes it up and gets a retraction.

  • Comment 12, posted at 20.04.11 09:47:27 by Caratacus Reply

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  • Some journo’s don’t have enough intelligence to be able to take the boring truth and turn it into a good read. Perhaps Ball should send his CV to News of the World. They love to print unsubstantiated trash.

    The root of this problem is PdV. He wanted Smit to be retreaded into a prop in 2009, then that didn’t work out. Now PdV only wants to look at him as a hooker. Not only that he has to go and say this in the press. Can you imagine Graham Henry telling Richie that he needs to play 8, the say to him you also need to cover 6. Then goes to the press and says he will only take his captain to the WC as a 7 – IT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN.

    It makes me so mad that some of the press and the national coach can treat Smit this way. Smit is a decent guy who doesn’t deserve to be treated this way. I cannot imagine this happening to any other legend of the game in another country.

  • Comment 13, posted at 20.04.11 09:52:22 by lostfish Reply
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  • Here in lies another smack talking problem for John. John will be the captain for the WC. I do not believe that we will win the WC this year but that’s not the point. If we drop out in the quarters, semis or even the final, John is going to get a lot more smack coming his way, that I can guarantee you. Is it fair? Absolutely not! But its going to happen. So prepare for the storm boys… 👿

  • Comment 14, posted at 20.04.11 09:53:49 by Viking Reply
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  • @Viking (Comment 14) : The Bok coach is the one who should be getting the smack! John doesn’t pick himself for the team, some people are just to dof to realise that. All John can do is his best and no one has the right to blame him for anything.

  • Comment 15, posted at 20.04.11 09:56:54 by Ben Reply
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  • Wasn’t Grant part of the Keo crew at one stage? Those blokes love a stukkie kak-praat.

  • Comment 16, posted at 20.04.11 10:01:15 by King Shark Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 9) : 😈

  • Comment 17, posted at 20.04.11 10:05:59 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 15) : If only the world worked that way. I agree with you and if I was divvi then there would be no question in my mind that John should be the captain for the WC. But there is going to be a lot of criticism to follow that anouncement all the way to the WC and beyond…

  • Comment 18, posted at 20.04.11 10:07:36 by Viking Reply
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  • I agree with Plum when he said South Africans suffer from poppy syndrome like. I see it at work all the time, a pack of wolves we will try and knock a “dominant male” down to make little us feel better about the little we have achieved 👿

  • Comment 19, posted at 20.04.11 10:18:05 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • I agree with Plum when he said South Africans suffer from poppy syndrome. I see it at work all the time,
    like a pack of wolves we will try and knock a “dominant male” down to make little us feel better about the little we have achieved 👿

  • Comment 20, posted at 20.04.11 10:19:41 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 19) : @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 20) :
    Seems as if you REALLY agree with Plum. 😉

  • Comment 21, posted at 20.04.11 10:34:37 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • i guess sean fitzpatrick, murray mexted, richard loe, paul ackford, stuart barnes & greg gowden are all wrong and suffer from tall poppy syndrome when they suggest in their article that john is NOT up to scratch as a hooker – as evidenced by his performances last year.

    This year he has played loosehead mostly against no-name brand tightheads like nic henderson & pat cilliers and people are supposedly hateful when they give an negative assessment of his form.

    Most know the truth but sentiment and partisan bias prevent them from seeing the wood for the trees.

  • Comment 22, posted at 20.04.11 10:40:18 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 22) :
    Which performances last year?

  • Comment 23, posted at 20.04.11 10:46:10 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 22) :
    All those names mentioned are Kiwis, the enemy in rugby terms, thus why should they be so concerned about our hooker.

  • Comment 24, posted at 20.04.11 10:49:27 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Rather surprisingly, Mark Keohane has been quite complimentary of the Sharks in his newsletters and columns this year. As for the bunch of sycophantic hacks he employs to churn out the drivel that fills his blog though… the less said, the better!

  • Comment 25, posted at 20.04.11 10:49:37 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 22) : ‘Tron, it’s always fun to have you posting on the site, introducing some spice, controversy and diviseness. While I may not often agree with your opinions, it’s good to have a bit of dissent now and then, and at least you are a damn sight more articulate than your rugby365 equivalent, Willem!

  • Comment 26, posted at 20.04.11 10:52:44 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 25) : Mark has learnt his lesson from talking smack of the Sharks before the Currie Cup final. 🙂

  • Comment 27, posted at 20.04.11 10:54:42 by Ben Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 26) : Jeez that is quite an insult even for old Mega…..at least Mega doesn’t support the Bulls!

  • Comment 28, posted at 20.04.11 10:56:32 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 22) : @Culling Song (Comment 26) : Megatroll is a quite allright bloke, always disagrees with us but how dull would life be if everyone agreed with each other on everything.

  • Comment 29, posted at 20.04.11 10:56:44 by Ben Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 26) : I do pray that willem never makes his way over to SW…..Mega is at least entertaining and does talk some sense from time to time!

  • Comment 30, posted at 20.04.11 10:59:27 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 28) : Thank God he doesn’t support the Bulls! He would have been unbearable. But at least he’d almost never come onto the site then. Would feel too ashamed! 😉

  • Comment 31, posted at 20.04.11 11:02:59 by Ben Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 30) : Maybe we should point Willem in Keo’s direction. The Bulls/Stormers antagonism would be quite entertaining! 😈

  • Comment 32, posted at 20.04.11 11:03:11 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 24) : paul ackford is a kiwi, since when? Who is stuart barnes? 🙄

  • Comment 33, posted at 20.04.11 11:20:02 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 24) : when the same rugby commentators say Lambie is great, you all lap it up and sing yet when they point out Smit’s ineptitude, then they’re ‘talking smack’

  • Comment 34, posted at 20.04.11 11:21:26 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 22) : Those guys all got together and wrote one article 😯

  • Comment 35, posted at 20.04.11 11:30:55 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • the bottom line is Smit weakens the Sharks team when starting….the Crusaders game more than ample proof of this.

    He does not even come close to Bismarck as a hooker, not even close!

    As a loosehead Beast is far better.

    And Smit as a tighthead is just insane!

    The real question should be why are so many calling for his head? Are all the experts wrong? Is it okay for Boks and / or sharks to have to drop better players because of Smits ‘ aura’?

    Even though his wil / loss ratios continue to head firm;ly in the wrong direction and his personal form is poor?

    How long do we hang onto the deadwood?

    Sentiment has no place in pro sport…..

    And Rob….I heard from impeccable sources all about the bad blood between the Du Plessis brothers and Smit last year…..so Ball is not as incorrect as you are making him out to be….thats for damn sure.

  • Comment 36, posted at 20.04.11 11:48:22 by grant10 Reply

     
  • John has been playing well lately imo. I found it odd he got so much criticism after the Saders match, it was Jannie collapsing and missing loads of tackles in general play.

    John has certainly improved on 2010 and may be back to around 2009 levels now. I think he’s a merit pick for the bench as hooker and prop cover, at the present time. I’m not sure if this counts as criticising him or not? It’s just my honest view.

    I think his best chance of a merit start is at TH, but you’re not allowed to say that. I can’t see how he regains the hooker jersey, after all these years, unless the better player just sits out and that wont be good for either player form/confidence/combinations wise.

  • Comment 37, posted at 20.04.11 12:22:32 by Magic Merkin Reply

     
  • @grant10 (Comment 36) : Back again for some Smit bashing I see.

  • Comment 38, posted at 20.04.11 12:22:52 by lostfish Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 33) : Ok they are all foreign, still rugby enemies.

  • Comment 39, posted at 20.04.11 12:27:53 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 34) :
    Please point me to those articles on Lambie, I need to do some drooling, and while you are about it how about enlightening me on [email protected]Salmonoid (Comment 23) :

  • Comment 40, posted at 20.04.11 12:30:54 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Magic Merkin (Comment 37) :
    Could have done with you around here after the Crusaders game, the going got tough trying to point out that it was not Smit being popped in the scrums.

  • Comment 41, posted at 20.04.11 12:36:13 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @lostfish (Comment 38) : stating what many experts and being honest and truthful equates to ‘Smit bashing’ ?

    Get a life mate.

    outta here

  • Comment 42, posted at 20.04.11 12:36:53 by grant10 Reply

     
  • @Magic Merkin (Comment 37) : remarkable gow the sharks scrum magically transformed itself when Smit went off.

    You fools are so delusional.

    But this not the site to be honest.

    Let me take my leave.

  • Comment 43, posted at 20.04.11 12:39:23 by grant10 Reply

     
  • @lostfish (Comment 38) :

    grant10 = Grant Ball 😈

  • Comment 44, posted at 20.04.11 12:42:12 by wpw Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 44) : 😯 It all makes sense now!

  • Comment 45, posted at 20.04.11 12:46:46 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 45) : Wes said something that makes sense ❓ 😆 😆

  • Comment 46, posted at 20.04.11 12:54:07 by Greg Reply

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  • @Greg (Comment 46) :

    Ouch!! 😥 😕

  • Comment 47, posted at 20.04.11 13:15:02 by wpw Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 23) : sharks vs crusaders 2010, boks vs wales, boks vs all blacks – eden park, boks vs all blacks – cake tin, boks vs all blacks – soccer city…happy now?

  • Comment 48, posted at 20.04.11 13:33:45 by Megatron Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 47) : 😆

  • Comment 49, posted at 20.04.11 13:38:47 by Greg Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 30) : that oke wouldn’t last 5 minutes here

  • Comment 50, posted at 20.04.11 14:12:48 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 50) : Did you see on Sharksrugby that Deysel might still be in the mix for the Stormers game?

  • Comment 51, posted at 20.04.11 14:15:21 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 29) : Mega’s head is always in the land of the long white cloud, he’s our foreign correspondent. 😉

  • Comment 52, posted at 20.04.11 14:36:43 by CapeShark Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 44) : you could be right…

  • Comment 53, posted at 20.04.11 14:42:56 by lostfish Reply
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  • @CapeShark (Comment 52) : yeah, kindal like robdylan running sharksworld from ol’ Blighty innit? 😉

  • Comment 54, posted at 20.04.11 16:00:17 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 48) : Yep, 4 games where Smit had been fattened up a sacrificial pig by Pdivvy to play prop. Were your overseas friends comments regarding Smits play at, hooker, prop or in general?

  • Comment 55, posted at 20.04.11 16:23:48 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Take heart, fellow Sharksworlders. Let the uneducated hacks keep churning out the rubbish on those other predictable, back-slapping, self-congratulatory digitally limp sites.

    We have all of the quality right here with us – even the perfect foil courtesy of our dear Megatron, our one-man demolition derby and master of the below-the-belt chirp.

    Occasionally we get interlopers popping over to have a quick gasp and stir the pot (badly) before skulking off with their tails between their bandy legs, too inept to respond to our sharp wit and cutting comments and too dimwitted to understand the double entendre or art of riposte.

    I, and those like me with too many years of actual journalism under our belts to keep count, have had the misfortune of having to edit many of their early attempts at writing, so understand completely that when it comes to Sharksworld, they are out of their depth and seek to hide it with affrontery and protestation.

    So feel sorry for them, poor things, and try to be kind when they next poke their pitiful heads around our doorjambs. 😎 😛

  • Comment 56, posted at 20.04.11 17:02:50 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 56) :
    “tails between their bandy legs”… Cruel but very funny. 😆

  • Comment 57, posted at 20.04.11 17:13:52 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 57) : Thank you BF. Sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind! 😆

  • Comment 58, posted at 20.04.11 17:16:04 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 56) : Well said Sharon..hehehe. Had a good chuckle there. 😉 😎

  • Comment 59, posted at 20.04.11 18:06:51 by Puma Reply

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  • @grant10 (Comment 36) :

    I remember about 2 years ago or so (time is irrelevant on blogs) you had some very interesting debates with bloggers (albeit on Keo).

    For some time now I paid little notice to your rants on Keo because the site in itself is a joke, and your comments given your knowledge of the game I saw from years gone by, seemed to follow suit – pulling the piss out of people.

    Here is an observation…

    You make really good points on rugby, RE Smit even – some of which I agree with actually.

    But here is the problem…

    When you go on your tirades and include the associated name-calling, you lose the higher ground, and therefore your whole points get lost with it.

    All of this will probably mean nothing to you, and you might even wipe your ass with what I said just now – makes no difference really.

    There is a reason I would mention this to you here however and not on Keo, reason is, your views as I got to know it years back, contributes to any debate.

    Make of it what you will, matter is closed from my side.

  • Comment 60, posted at 20.04.11 18:15:32 by Morné Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 56) :

    Where can I come for lessons in effective writing to make a point in 4 paragraphs or less? 😈

  • Comment 61, posted at 20.04.11 18:17:11 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 61) : Give me a shout! Will gladly share a few secrets! Although I am not exactly Ms Succinct at the best of times! 😆
    But hey, there’s nothing wrong in being long, dude! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 62, posted at 20.04.11 18:36:13 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 62) :

    That is so porno!!! 😆

  • Comment 63, posted at 20.04.11 18:38:15 by Morné Reply
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  • @Puma (Comment 59) : Hey Puma. See they’re still churning over the trash on Keo. What’s with the Majiti obsession? Think I must go and stir them up a bit more! Aka “PoleDancer” :mrgreen:

  • Comment 64, posted at 20.04.11 18:42:14 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 63) : Ha ha ha! Like I said, this is the home of the double entendre! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 65, posted at 20.04.11 18:43:48 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • Would love to see Smittie get a start a start at hooker.

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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 56) : hey Shazzie 😉

  • Comment 67, posted at 20.04.11 21:24:08 by Megatron Reply

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  • 05:06:2010 match report by paul ackford.

    “The big surprise for South Africa was the attitude and execution of
    their captain, John Smit, which
    were both lousy. To me, Smit has
    looked neither fit nor at ease
    since he has bounced between
    hooker and prop, and he was
    blowing hard yesterday very early
    on. Yet puff was not the main
    issue.
    Smit presented James Hook with
    the easiest of tries when he found
    himself in the middle of the Boks
    backline after South Africa had
    turned over Welsh possession.
    Instead of shuffling into the
    nearest defender as most self-
    respecting tight forwards tend to
    do, Smit shaped to kick, stopped,
    thought about it, and then rifled a
    pass into the waiting hands of
    Hook, who cantered over for the
    try.
    When Stephen Jones banged over
    the conversion, Wales were 16-3
    ahead and cruising. For a captain
    to make that kind of error, and to
    compound it by blatant displays of
    petulance, questioning the
    decisions of officials throughout
    much of the first half, as Smit did, was poor.”

  • Comment 68, posted at 20.04.11 21:38:09 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 67) : Evenin’ Mnr Tron. Hoe gaan dit? 😛

  • Comment 69, posted at 20.04.11 21:40:45 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 67) : Fraid you’ve caught me on the verge of turning in for the night… need my beauty sleep and all that! So if I don’t get back to you, don’t take it personally! It’s been a beeaaatttccchhh of a busy day and I’m cream crackered! 😆

  • Comment 70, posted at 20.04.11 21:44:21 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 68) : I’m still up, fancy a debate? 😉

  • Comment 71, posted at 20.04.11 21:56:47 by Ben Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 68) : Okay let’s see if you get this one.

    Don’t know if you know this but PdV and the Boks assistant coaches told Smit to pick up some weight to be able to play prop. He was the unfittest I have ever seen him so that would explain the blowing hard. So what he gave an intercept pass, everyone makes mistakes. Does it make a player a kak player if he throws a intercept pass? Maybe the reff was unreasonable and that’s why John lost his cool with the reff. Can only recall the game fagily. Yes I do not like a catain that moans to the reff like Victor Matfield does but sometimes a player just loses it and frustration takes over. John has a very good track record regarding to the reffs. John is in much better shape now than he has been in the last 2 or 3 years.

    So my conclusion is he is a legend and doesn’t deserve all the critics he is getting at the moment. I agree that he isn’t playing up to par to go to the WC. But I promise you he isn’t the one that told PdV he will take him to the WC. PdV is the one who wants to take him because he knows what John is capable of doing as a captain. Leading he’s country!

  • Comment 72, posted at 20.04.11 22:39:47 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 72) : Leading his country! Sorry 🙂

  • Comment 73, posted at 20.04.11 22:46:14 by Ben Reply
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  • Ben
    The same can be said of Bryan Habana yet you’ll hardly find anyone defend him on this site. Is it because he is not a Shark??
    That’s why I will always respect the opinions of bloggers such as Big Fish, Villie, Richard Ferguson and Dancing Bear…all of the above happen to support the Sharks but if you read their comments for the very first time you wouldn’t pick that up…wanna know why?? They’re objective!! And THAT is why their opinions are more respected than the opinions of others on this site!

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  • @wpw (Comment 74) : What exactly can also be said about Habana? PdV isn’t taking Habana to the WC because of his cqaptaincy and let’s face it that’s the only reason John will go to the WC. Like I said he’s rugby isn’t on par at the moment to go to the WC. It was my opinion so you don’t have to respect it. Didn’t ask anyone to respect it.

  • Comment 75, posted at 21.04.11 06:55:23 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 72) : Ben, Like what you are saying and you are spot on. There isn;t another leader in world rugby like John at the moment and if you ask any of the players they will tell you the same (Referring to comments made by Bob Skinstad on boots and all after the loss to the Crusaders.

    As for Habana, he has one job and thats to play wing. He is not a leader of the team and thus if he is not on form it is an easier decision on whether to include him or not. He can therefor not be compared to John. You want to compare someone to John then take a Victor or a jean de Villiers. My opnion on Habana though is that he will bounce back to previous form before we know it and he will go to the WC.

  • Comment 76, posted at 21.04.11 07:24:31 by Viking Reply
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  • @Viking (Comment 76) : Yip no doubt Habana is a world class winger but he’s form as been pretty bad for the lat 2 years at least

  • Comment 77, posted at 21.04.11 07:31:30 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 77) : No doubt about that and the stats will agree with you. There is some truth in the saying about form is temporary and class is permanent. Habana will bounce back and I just hope it is sooner rather than later. Preferably after the game against the sharks though 😉

  • Comment 78, posted at 21.04.11 07:40:10 by Viking Reply
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  • @Viking (Comment 78) : I would prefer it only when he plays for the Boks. We still need to catch and overtake the Stormers on the log! 😉

  • Comment 79, posted at 21.04.11 07:41:54 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 79) : Who said we cannot talk good things about Stormers players. Here we are wishing that Habana will return to form when he puts that green and gold jersey on again. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 80, posted at 21.04.11 07:45:25 by Viking Reply
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  • @Viking (Comment 80) : Do you think our opinions will be respected now? 🙂

  • Comment 81, posted at 21.04.11 07:48:37 by Ben Reply
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  • @Viking (Comment 76) : rubbish! he led the boks during the 1 from 6 tri-nations last year

  • Comment 82, posted at 21.04.11 08:24:06 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 81) : I guess not 🙁

  • Comment 83, posted at 21.04.11 10:18:24 by Viking Reply
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  • Captain Tests Wins Win %
    Hennie Muller 9 8 88
    Phil Nel 8 7 87
    Morné du Plessis 15 13 86
    Joost van der Westhuizen 10 8 80
    Billy Millar 5 4 80
    Bennie Osler 5 4 80
    Gary Teichmann 36 26 72
    Wynand Claassen 7 5 71
    John Smit 76 51 67
    Victor Matfield 15 10 66
    Johan Claassen 9 6 66
    Francois Pienaar 29 19 65
    Basie Viviers 5 3 60
    Dawie de Villiers 22 13 59
    André Vos 16 9 56
    Hannes Marais 11 6 54
    Bobby Skinstad 12 6 50
    Avril Malan 10 5 50
    Naas Botha 9 4 44
    Corné Krige 18 7 38

  • Comment 84, posted at 21.04.11 10:21:29 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 84) : So, in the profesional era John is 3rd with only Teichman and joost doing better. John also being captain for way more times than Joost and Teichman. In other words, John = Captain Awesome… 😉

  • Comment 85, posted at 21.04.11 10:29:35 by Viking Reply
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  • @Viking (Comment 85) : YIP!!!!!!

  • Comment 86, posted at 21.04.11 10:31:30 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @wpw (Comment 74) :
    Compare apples with apples.
    Habana is not being played out of his optimal position and he hasnt had a coach fatten him up for slaughter and play him all over the place. Habana is, unfortuneatly, not showing any inclination of returning to form while Smit is looking better game by game. Im at the stage where Im starting to cringe for his sake.

    Anyway whats you buzz about this, seeing that you dont want Habana in the 51 man squad.

  • Comment 87, posted at 21.04.11 10:56:42 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @wpw (Comment 74) : Hey!!!!!!!! I’m objective!!!!!

  • Comment 88, posted at 21.04.11 11:02:34 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 87) : in 2008 smit accommodated in the bok team because we had a tighthead crisis, otherwise he would be have been catching splinters since then as bissy proved even THEN he was better than him.

  • Comment 89, posted at 21.04.11 11:30:36 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 89) :

    he would be have been – is he going to or did he ?? 😆

  • Comment 90, posted at 21.04.11 11:49:00 by Pr'Ice Flower Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 89) :
    Better what, captain?, scrummager?, hooker?, line outs?, open play?, fetcher?, distributor?, discipline?, captain?….

  • Comment 91, posted at 21.04.11 11:50:22 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 91) : lekke fighting fit, ne..? 😆

  • Comment 92, posted at 21.04.11 11:53:28 by Pr'Ice Flower Reply
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  • @Pr’Ice Flower (Comment 92) : Ja, long weekend and no Sharks rugby last weekend…..but only in good faith.

  • Comment 93, posted at 21.04.11 12:04:24 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Pr’Ice Flower (Comment 90) : as a tighthead he was shown up too even after piling up the lard. 🙂

    if the boks can win the RWC2011 with 14 men & the leadership “aura, then they’ll be the greatest team ever.

  • Comment 94, posted at 21.04.11 12:08:26 by Megatron Reply

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  • BTW, regarding Plums meeting with Pdivvy last Monday, does anyone get the impression that Plum listened to Pdivvy in a a well mannered way and then told him to back off regarding the way the Sharks are going to use Smit…of course in a nice way.

  • Comment 95, posted at 21.04.11 12:09:08 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 91) : better player!

  • Comment 96, posted at 21.04.11 12:09:37 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 96) : bwhaahahaaa, cop out.

  • Comment 97, posted at 21.04.11 12:15:17 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 96) : :mrgreen:

    @Salmonoid (Comment 97) : 😆

  • Comment 98, posted at 21.04.11 12:18:49 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 96) : Didn’t get any response from you? 😉

  • Comment 99, posted at 21.04.11 12:22:35 by Ben Reply
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  • Why hasn’t anyone drawn the parallel to the English WC team that made the final in 2007? They were written off as being Grandpa’s army etc. but with a little luck going their way they made it to the final. They were also in the situation (back then) where the players were actually running the team after revolting against the coach. I reckon the experience in their team, plus the fact that the players lifted themselves for the WC got them as far as the final. Let’s face it, they were [email protected] before the WC and their players were also not in their best form – that’s why they were written off as defending champions. The old dogs in that team dragged the rest kicking and screaming into the final where they lost to the better team (obviously). But yeah, if John can take us to the final and we lose to the All Black’s – I’ll take that right now.

  • Comment 100, posted at 21.04.11 13:56:15 by Guppyonroids Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 99) : are you hounding me for answers now :.roll:

    what do u want to know from me? 😉

  • Comment 101, posted at 21.04.11 14:40:39 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 97) : yep, the same ‘cop-out’ plum uses EVERY WEEK 😀 why hasn’t John started a game at hooker this whole year? Goodness knows all of you here believe he is a better lineout exponent, better scrummager, supreme leader but for some ODD reason Plum starts Bismarck 😯

    bwahahahaha

  • Comment 102, posted at 21.04.11 14:44:02 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 102) : Our supreme leader was needed in other more urgent places, like on the bench, and to the left, and to the right of the ubber fantastic Bismark.

  • Comment 103, posted at 21.04.11 14:54:15 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 103) : yes, apparently Beast & Jannie need a rest more than the irrepressible Bissy 😀 currently rated as the BEST hooker in the world but not according to Salmonoid 😉

  • Comment 104, posted at 21.04.11 15:08:07 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 104) : He needed the game time to get his line out throw ins right, that didnt work and he has now been given the game off to think about this. 😀

    If you rate Bissy as the best in the world why didnt you put him on your A list?

  • Comment 105, posted at 21.04.11 15:35:09 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @Salmonoid (Comment 105) : because the person who asked the question said ‘besides bissy & alberts’ keep up squire! 🙄

  • Comment 106, posted at 21.04.11 18:34:53 by Megatron Reply

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  • Somebody wake me up when you guys have stopped the bickering, already. This is a Mexican stand-off and a complete impasse so why are you flogging the proverbial deceased equine?
    I will not buy this record, it is scratched… This parrot is dead…
    And now, for something completely different… It’s almost Saturday, and Pat is back! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 😆 😆

  • Comment 107, posted at 21.04.11 20:32:04 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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