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Plumtree: “‘It was men against boys”

Written by Andre Bosch (KSA Shark ©)

Posted in :In the news, Sharks, Stormers, Super Rugby on 1 May 2011 at 18:06
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Sharks head coach John Plumtree described the Stormers’ clash with the Sharks at Newlands on Saturday as ‘men against boys’.

Rugby 365’s Len Kaplan writes that the Stormers won 32-12 in Cape Town as they strengthened their position at the top of the South African conference.

“At the end of the day they wanted it more and we got hurt. It was men against boys. It’s as simple as that,” said Plumtree afterwards.

He believed there had been a power shift in South African rugby with regard to the physicality of teams.

Speaking after the Stormers had scored a four-tries-to-none win over his team in their top-of-the-table South African conference match, Plumtree said that to call the Sharks performance disappointing would be a “massive understatement”.

He believed the defeat to have been one of the hardest he’d had to take as Sharks coach.

“It hurts, what happened out there,” he said. “We hurt them last year and they’re hurting us this year.

“We were poor; we were terrible. I don’t know if we were that bad or the Stormers were that good, but it was an embarrassing performance.

“They scored three set piece tries, they hit us at the breakdown, we were a metre behind them in every regard. There’s not much you can say when you’re out of the game with probably 45 minutes to go.”

Plumtree had been impressed with the physicality of the Stormers.

“You’ve got to hand it to the Stormers. The power of the physicality game has shifted in this country and it’s come right down to here. These guys were much better than us and we’ve got a lot of work to do to catch up to them.”

The coach added that there had been a substantial difference in the attitude of the two teams.

“They wanted it more than us. It doesn’t matter how talented you are; if you want it more then you’ll get it. And when you’ve got that extra motivation to succeed you tend to get the bounce of the ball or the call and that’s what happened tonight [Saturday].”

The Sharks were a proud team but “clearly the attitude is not right”.

“We’re disappointed with ourselves because we’re talking a good game but we’re not delivering,” Plumtree lamented.

“I’ll back these boys. I know what they can do but they let themselves down as a team. Attitude is everything in sport and the Stormers had better attitude than us. They just wanted to smash us. We’ve dealt with them in that area in the past but they’re dealing with us at the moment.

“If we’re going to stand up and be a genuine threat in this competition, we have to shift a fair bit and most of that has to do with attitude because I believe we’re a better team than that.”

Asked what the Sharks needed to do to get back on track, Plumtree said that was exactly what he had asked his players in the changing-room after the game. The players would need to come up with the answers.

But the coach was confident his players would bounce back against the Brumbies in Durban next Saturday.

“We’re going to deal to the Brumbies next week; that’s going to happen!

“If we don’t then we’re in real trouble. The onus is on the players to really front up with a big performance – we owe it to our fans and our families and ourselves.”

On the question as to how he thought the Stormers would fare against the Crusaders at Newlands next Saturday, Plumtree commented: “I’d put my money on the Stormers. They’re excellent and they’re getting more excited because they know they’re fronting up.

“Their line-out is big because they’ve got Andries Bekker. They’ve got guaranteed ball. The midfield is great; they’re playing really well. They’re a complete side. It’ll take a really good team to knock them over.”

Plumtree believed that based on this performance against the Sharks, the Stormers had the South African Super Rugby conference wrapped up.


  • They just wanted to smash us. We’ve dealt with them in that area in the past but they’re dealing with us at the moment.

    I can agree with that, The Stormers are playing some physical stuff at the moment.

  • Comment 1, posted at 01.05.11 18:10:55 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • Stormers seem to have taken the lessons learnt against the Reds to heart. 😎

  • Comment 2, posted at 01.05.11 18:25:43 by McLovin Reply
  • @McLovin (Comment 2) : Now if only the Sharks can do that for the rest of the season.

  • Comment 3, posted at 01.05.11 18:31:34 by KSA Shark © Reply
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  • Look, Stormers aren’t champs yet, and this competition has far to go still, but well-played.

    But really, attitude is not the only issue we have.

    Some glaring but hard to fix problems include the pressue that Lambie is coming under on our defensive set-piece because Mcleod cannot kick, the fact that we have a powder-puff midfield and very average locks.

    Spare a thought for poor Pat – can’t kick out safely knowing Bekker would boss the lineouts, can’t kick infield safely either knowing Aplon en kie are waiting for that, can’t vary his attacking play knowing our midfield is brittle, and having to do all this with slow ball and poor head-high passes.

    Excellent performance from him in the context.

  • Comment 4, posted at 01.05.11 18:35:46 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 3) : I’m sure they will. Can’t really see the Sharks losing any more games. Bulls the only real possible stumbling blocks.

  • Comment 5, posted at 01.05.11 18:36:25 by McLovin Reply

  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 1) :
    Tell me again about hor few tries are scored from set-pieces again? 😉

  • Comment 6, posted at 01.05.11 18:36:52 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 6) : Okay without taking anything away from some excellent Stormers tries.

    Those tries were not scored through sheer Stormer brilliance, they were scored through sheer lack of commitment by the Sharks.

  • Comment 7, posted at 01.05.11 18:41:12 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Just saying they wanted it more is a poor excuse.
    If you don’t want it what are you doing there in the first place.
    The Stormers had a clear gameplan they knew our strengths and our weaknesses and they played accordingly.
    Them exposing our midfield is one thing we should have anticipated.
    But the most disconcerting aspect of the game was that they beat us at our own game upfront.
    Our loosies did nothing to protect our own ball and that really was hard to watch I remember some instances where you could head Charl calling Skeate to get of the line and protect the ball.
    But all that said I am still confident that we can make the top 6 if Plum addresses our midfield problems.

  • Comment 8, posted at 01.05.11 18:41:32 by Danman110 Reply

  • @Big Fish (Comment 4) : Lambie tackled like a mosnter I have to add.

  • Comment 9, posted at 01.05.11 18:42:18 by Ben Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 6) : If we DID make the suggested change I still don’t think we would score set piece tries. 🙁 😉

  • Comment 10, posted at 01.05.11 18:42:47 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 4) : Well said. Attitude was simply the cherry on top yesterday imo.

    Like I said yesterday, the Stormers coaches appear to have the current Sharks style figured out.

    They identified the weaknesses and the players executed the plan brilliantly.

    Added to that the homeground advantage & bounce of the ball and you have a 20 point bonuspoint hiding. Not much room for error at this level unfortunately.

    Stormers still far from being champs. In fact I’m not even thinking about it. Way too much to happen still. Some very difficult games coming up for them. Can still go tits up very quickly.

  • Comment 11, posted at 01.05.11 18:43:48 by McLovin Reply

  • If you don’t want it what are you doing there in the first place.

    I’m actually hoping that is the point he is trying to make and hope even more that the players GET that message.

  • Comment 12, posted at 01.05.11 18:44:06 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 7) : I’d say it was sheer Stormers brilliance. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 13, posted at 01.05.11 18:45:44 by McLovin Reply

  • Them exposing our midfield is one thing we should have anticipated.

    And all our next opponenets trying the same thing that should be anticipated as well.

  • Comment 14, posted at 01.05.11 18:46:31 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • “It was men against boys.” More like Men against baby’s I’d say.

  • Comment 15, posted at 01.05.11 18:47:34 by Ben Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 13) : You would. 😆

  • Comment 16, posted at 01.05.11 18:47:56 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Just bye the bye, you guys are missing a Sharks fixture in week 16 on your fixture list.

    I know the Cheetahs don’t count for much, but leaving a match against them off the fixture list is just rude. 😉 😈 :mrgreen:

  • Comment 17, posted at 01.05.11 18:53:33 by McLovin Reply

  • @McLovin (Comment 17) : Hmmmmmmm. I don’t know how I missed that when i did the fixtures.

    I’ll fix it.


    Can I erase the match we played this weekend? 😉 Some things are better left forgotten. 😳

  • Comment 18, posted at 01.05.11 18:56:21 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • I also suspect a lot of smoke being blown up the arses of the Stormers by Plumtree.

  • Comment 19, posted at 01.05.11 18:58:03 by McLovin Reply

  • @McLovin (Comment 17) : fixed

  • Comment 20, posted at 01.05.11 19:02:44 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 20) : Took me ages to figure that out. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 21, posted at 01.05.11 19:03:34 by McLovin Reply

  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 14) : And solving the problem is a big ask Adi and Swannie are our only real hope at center.
    The Sharks have a real nack for losing the players we need the most. Having Murray and Andries in our ranks would have helped.

  • Comment 22, posted at 01.05.11 19:03:35 by Danman110 Reply

  • Never again must we go to war with a starting pack that doesn’t contain Bismarck, Alberts, Deysel,Mostert and Beast. Never again must we pick Skeate ahead of Hargreaves, Mostert and Bressler. Stormers are the kind of team that beats you in the 1st 20mins. If you can dominate them in the 1st 20, you’ve won the game. If they however, dominate you in the 1st 20, you going to get hurt. Stormers also believe in getting to the breakdown in numbers. MB is no good. Charl Mcleod was good last year because he was quick and as a result, didn’t have to kick the ball. Well done to Lambie for holding his own.

  • Comment 23, posted at 01.05.11 19:05:01 by GreatSharksays Reply

  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 10) :
    I trust that you will forgive me if I find your mere conjecture far from conclusive? 😉

    One thing IS certain; we WON’T lose anything defensively with Adi at 13, but we WILL gain experience in the position, speed, guile, vision, creativity and just about any other characteristic that an outside centre SHOULD have.

    @KSA Shark © (Comment 14) :
    Come on – you don’t think they knew already? Not chance that the Crusaders mined their gold in the midfield, neither that Nonu created 2 tries for the Hurricanes there either.

    The Stormers weren’t pioneering anything here.

    So forget “wanting it more”, the question is, does Plumtree honestly believe that this is our best centre pairing, or does he not see a problem there? Because 3 times already they have ruthlessly exposed. Whichever it is, he is hopelessly wrong in that belief.

  • Comment 24, posted at 01.05.11 19:06:51 by Big Fish Reply
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  • And I love that Plumtree says that the Brumbies are going to be dealt with. :mrgreen:

    We need more interviews like that.

    Would love more coaches to say the same. Or even something like: “Our opposition this weekend is kak, we’re going to smash ’em”. :mrgreen: 😈

  • Comment 25, posted at 01.05.11 19:06:52 by McLovin Reply

  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 23) : Alberts, as EXCELLENT as he has been has played EVERY game. He NEEDS a rest.

  • Comment 26, posted at 01.05.11 19:09:58 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 25) : Maybe Brendan Venter will give it a go.

  • Comment 27, posted at 01.05.11 19:12:25 by Danman110 Reply

  • @Big Fish (Comment 24) : Come on – you don’t think they knew already?

    I THOUGHT and HOPED they did but it seems I was wrong. if that is the defence we dish up in the midfield when we are EXPECTING an onslaught then i don’t want to see what we do when we get taken by surprise. 😳

  • Comment 28, posted at 01.05.11 19:13:02 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • Still think the Sharks should splash the cash at Juan de Jongh and Jaco Taute.

  • Comment 29, posted at 01.05.11 19:17:09 by Ben Reply
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  • While there may be some truth to what Plumtree says, I can’t help but feel as if he’s trying to abdicate responsibility here. Those first phase tries did have had an element of lack of commitment to them, but at heart they came about because the Stormers were aware of the areas in which they had a clear advantage over the Sharks, and duly attacked those areas. Our strengths were not nullified and weaknesses exposed by attitude; it was done by careful analysis of our team, and adjusting their game plan accordingly.

    I don’t believe that the Stormers squad is neccesarily superior to the Sharks squad, but on Saturday their coaching team towered over ours.

  • Comment 30, posted at 01.05.11 19:17:16 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 30) : Yes they are. 😈

    Almost 50 points & 5 tries to 18 points & zero tries in two games says they are. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 31, posted at 01.05.11 19:19:58 by McLovin Reply

  • @Culling Song (Comment 30) : Ore strengths were not nullified and weaknesses exposed by attitude;

    You don’t think slipped or completely missed tackles are an attitude issue?

  • Comment 32, posted at 01.05.11 19:22:07 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 29) : We have no weakness at fullback, and its possible that our centres are the only ones left who do not know that on attack Juan de Jongh ALWAYS feints out and steps inside.

    He cost 2 tries each against the Lions and Sharks due to white-line fever and that limited repertoire – even fallin over because he couldn’t step to the outside.

    I’m not yet convinced that he has enough strings to his bow to be successful in the long-term. Still young though.

  • Comment 33, posted at 01.05.11 19:22:39 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Just like Plum’s buddy, John Mitchell. Plum is trying to put all the blame on the players. Yes the players didn’t perform but it is his responsibility to chose the combinations that will work against the Stormers. Still nothing has been done about our lineouts. It doesn’t look as if there is a backline coach involved at the Sharks. None of the forwards are prepared to do the dirty work and clean out the rucks. They all want to shine in the backline!

  • Comment 34, posted at 01.05.11 19:22:44 by Ben Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 25): Careful of reading what you want to read. Plum said we going to deal to the Stormers, big difference. If you don’t know what it means, feel free to ask.
    @KSA (comment 26): I said to war, not every game is war. I consider games against the Bulls, Waratahs and especially the Stormers war. Stormers because they have a very dangerous backline that will kill you if you give them front foot ball.

  • Comment 35, posted at 01.05.11 19:23:01 by GreatSharksays Reply

  • @Ben (Comment 29) : I would love that to happen but knowing the Sharks player recruiting we are probably I’m the process of getting Gavin Henson to join us.

  • Comment 36, posted at 01.05.11 19:24:57 by Danman110 Reply

  • @Big Fish (Comment 33) : Odwa is getting old. Stef is leaving soon hopefully. Would be nice if we could have Ludik and Taute in the team for the future. Taute is a rough diamond and I feel a good coach can make him a big star.

  • Comment 37, posted at 01.05.11 19:25:06 by Ben Reply
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  • @Danman110 (Comment 36) : They might be having talks with the Lions for Carlos Spencer to come and play for us! 🙂

  • Comment 38, posted at 01.05.11 19:27:00 by Ben Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 35) : “We’re going to deal to the Brumbies next week; that’s going to happen!

    From the article above.

    No need to put your apology in bold, we’ll accept regular font.

  • Comment 39, posted at 01.05.11 19:27:07 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 31) :
    A Currie Cup title last year says otherwise. What have you won for those 2 victories this year so far?

    @KSA Shark © (Comment 32) :
    I certainly don’t. A player may not be a great tackler, but the coach should know his players, as well as those of his opposition. Let me ask you this again – should Plumtree have been surprised that our midfield was targetted or that our lineout platform was under tremendous attack?

    If you say he shouldn’t have been, then Culling Song’s point stands.

    For what its worth, I again agree fully with him.

  • Comment 40, posted at 01.05.11 19:27:28 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Danman110 (Comment 36) : Why not? He’s good looking. 😛

  • Comment 41, posted at 01.05.11 19:28:15 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 40) : Are you trying to lead me towards saying that Plum cocked up the selections? I already agree with that.

    BUT I don’t agree on the defence issue, Stefan and Bosman are usually good tacklers IMO. Had they been miles out of position and nowhere near the tackle then I’d call it a coaching issue, but they were right there and either slipped off the tackle or never made it at all. That is attitude IMO.

  • Comment 42, posted at 01.05.11 19:33:11 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 41) : It will cost a fortune we will have to book all the seats on a A380 to accommodate his enormous ego. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 43, posted at 01.05.11 19:33:34 by Danman110 Reply

  • @Big Fish (Comment 40) : How far back do you want to go? Currie Cup last year because it suits your argument? It’s not even the same competition. 🙄 How many Super rugby titles have the Sharks won?

    Most recent Super Rugby result(s) suggest the Stormers are by far the better side in Super Rugby. Super rugby, that international comp that every team in the southern hemisphere wants to win. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 44, posted at 01.05.11 19:35:23 by McLovin Reply

  • @Danman110 (Comment 43) : 🙂

  • Comment 45, posted at 01.05.11 19:35:46 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark (Comment 39): Also can’t comprehend. In the context of the article, “dealing with” means that the Scharks are going to smash the Brumbies, ” deal to” means the Sharks are going to bring their “A” game. A team can still bring their “A” game and still lose. Do I need to further explain this?

  • Comment 46, posted at 01.05.11 19:39:12 by GreatSharksays Reply

  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 42) :
    The amount of linebreaks in midfield, particularly against quality opposition indicates that this is not an anomaly, and midfield selection and defensive system are the issue, rather than a once-off “poor attitude” of some sort.

    @McLovin (Comment 44) :
    I go far back enough to point out that these self-same squads faced off last year in the CC final and it was your team that was brutalised.

    I don’t begrudge you pride in your team, but I will struggle to feed your delusions of grandeur if that is the direction you wish to ride.

    The Sharks haven’t suddenly become a poor team because we played an awful game yesterday and continue to make some stupid, serial mistakes.

    I still expect us to be challenging for the trophy into the play-offs.

  • Comment 47, posted at 01.05.11 19:42:53 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 37) : Taute is not a natural fullback, he is more comfortable at centre but I heard he’s more likely to join the Bulls. Tim Whitehead might be worth looking at though.

  • Comment 48, posted at 01.05.11 19:44:48 by war1 Reply
  • @Big Fish (Comment 47) : Isn’t that the beauty of sport? Exactly the same sides meet with opposite results.

    Please feel free to point out the ‘delusions of grandeur’. I’m waiting with abated breath.

    I’ll say again, 2 matches, 48 points, 5 tries & 9 log points scored. Whilst conceding only 18 points, 0 tries & 0 log points. Where’s the delusion? Simply stating those stats as a matter of fact. 😈

  • Comment 49, posted at 01.05.11 19:50:00 by McLovin Reply

  • @McLovin (Comment 31) : Your centers are superior to ours, as are your locks, but we shade you in the front row, wings and flyhalf. It’s all irrelevant though, the Bulls of yore showed that you don’t need a whole squad of superstars if you’re well coached, which, at the moment, the Stormers clearly are.

  • Comment 50, posted at 01.05.11 19:50:19 by Culling Song Reply
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  • We should have pushed hard for Doppies or even kept Andries. MB is no good.

  • Comment 51, posted at 01.05.11 19:50:21 by GreatSharksays Reply

  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 46) : No need to further explain anything, we are not debating the meaning of what was said.

    You had a go at McLovin for supposedly reading what he wants to read Careful of reading what you want to read. Plum said we going to deal to the Stormers, big difference. If you don’t know what it means, feel free to ask.

    When in fact he read exactly what was written there “We’re going to deal to the Brumbies next week; that’s going to happen! Plum didn’t even mention the Stormers in that bit of the conversation.

    The Stormers not even being mentioned in that bit of the interview and you saying they were is only a small detail but a vital one.

    Comprehend? Want me to explain further?

  • Comment 52, posted at 01.05.11 19:51:38 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 47) : And I never said the Sharks have become a poor team. Simply that currently the Stormers have improved and between those two are simply the better side. 🙂

  • Comment 53, posted at 01.05.11 19:51:45 by McLovin Reply

  • @Culling Song (Comment 50) : Problem is that (from a Sharks perspective) the Stormers front row can do enough to contain the Sharks front row, where as the Stormers locks & centres are in a different league.

    Wings are close enough to make no difference imo. 🙂

  • Comment 54, posted at 01.05.11 19:55:52 by McLovin Reply

  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 32) : I’m not saying lack of commitment wasn’t an issue, rather that poor tactical nous on our side, and outstanding contributions from the Stormers coaching team were bigger factors in determining the outcome.

  • Comment 55, posted at 01.05.11 19:57:33 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 50) : Flyhalf is no contest imo, Lambie destined for greatness, but without forward dominance or parity he is nullified. 🙂

  • Comment 56, posted at 01.05.11 19:58:29 by McLovin Reply

  • @McLovin (Comment 53) :
    Perhaps I am reading too much into your comment, but context says a lot.

    In any event, my contention is simply that its not clear-cut that the Stormers squad is superior – which appears to be the picture you are trying to paoint as compelling.

    CS is right though – it is really an irrelevant question – its the results that matter, and those sit on the pink side of the room right now.

    Doesn’t change players like Vermeulen and Grant into world-class mind you, but that is a delusion that I am most certainly not going to attempt to change now. 😈

  • Comment 57, posted at 01.05.11 19:58:41 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 55) : [email protected]Culling Song (Comment 55) : then I agree with you, tactical nous (including poor selection)and lack of commitment made for a perfect disaster IMO.

  • Comment 58, posted at 01.05.11 20:01:26 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 57) : In any event, my contention is simply that its not clear-cut that the Stormers squad is superior – which appears to be the picture you are trying to paoint as compelling.

    I would agree that it is in no way clear-cut that the Stormers squad is superior. What I will say though is that they are playing a far superior game than we are AT THE MOMENT.

    AT THE MOMENT, because we have in the past and will in the near future play that superior game as well.

  • Comment 59, posted at 01.05.11 20:04:20 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • bed time for me.

    Cheers all.

  • Comment 60, posted at 01.05.11 20:08:09 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 57) : Dear Mr Fish. I fear you suffer from a slight bout of delusion. From the two matches between the Sharks & Stormers in 2011 it is quite clear that the Stormers are the better side/squad. By quite some distance I might add.

    If the Sharks klap the Stormers by 20 points in a play-off tomorrow I would quite happily shout it from the rooftops that the Sharks are the better side.

    As far as Vermeulen & Grant goes, I never mentioned one of them. But since you brought it up I’ll give my 2 cents worth.

    I have never rated Grant. He is adequate at best imo.

    Vermeulen is one of those guys people love to hate. And I get it. He’s just good enough to be a pain in the arse for opposition. He’s no international star, but great to have in your side. Makes plenty of yards and gets under the skin of simpletons like the Tweedle dee & Tweedle dumb du Plessis bros. 😈

  • Comment 61, posted at 01.05.11 20:09:20 by McLovin Reply

  • @KSA Shark (Comment 52): tell me you joking…!! Clearly a typo but my point remains. cheers, going to drink.

  • Comment 62, posted at 01.05.11 20:11:44 by GreatSharksays Reply

  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 60) : Good Night John-boy. 🙂

  • Comment 63, posted at 01.05.11 20:12:32 by McLovin Reply

  • @McLovin (Comment 61) : The players making up the Stormers squad are not, on average, more talented than the Sharks. I would agree that they are more well-coached, and that the areas in which the individuals in the Stormers team are better than their Sharks counterparts confer an advantage to you, particularly in lieu of the Sharks’ current approach.

  • Comment 64, posted at 01.05.11 20:17:20 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 58) :
    @KSA Shark © (Comment 59) :
    I think we are similar on our thinking here Oubaas.

    Not to reignite a debate though, but perhaps the difference is on how much we see the factors contributing to that perfect storm.

    I had awesome seat up high at half way, and it was very clear how little time a superb player like Pat had on the ball because of the Stormers ruck play ensuring slow ball, and masterful execution of the rush defence. This directly led to the try from Bosman’s spill – all that he could have done better is to perhaps have taken the tackle rather then trying to pass and hoped the cleaners got to him in time.

    When I look at the JDV try, he scored because he was allowed space to drift and then exposed the gap that came from the pace of the drift defence (which shifted too early).

    Fourie’s try came because Louw was able to ride the tackle enough to get his hands through, and Fourie ran a perfectly timed line that took him into space.

    Those tries were not the result of weak tackles – they were the result of allowing attackers time and space because our defensive system does not push up very quickly, while our centres just didn’t have the ability to see what was happening until it was too late.

    And I’m not saying that this is all Oupa’s fault either – the quality of ball we allowed them and that we secuered has a lot to do with the men in numbers 1 to 9.

  • Comment 65, posted at 01.05.11 20:17:50 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 64) :
    Friend, sometimes one must recognise the futility of continuing to abuse a moribund equine.

    This is such an instance.

    @McLovin (Comment 61) :
    To the victor go the spoils – enjoy the sweet vintage.

    I look forward to watching JDV and Fourie waking some dreamers to harsh reality next week.

  • Comment 66, posted at 01.05.11 20:23:00 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 64) : I reckon they are. 😈

    Next you’ll be telling us that the Sharks have better squad than the Crusaders, Blues, Reds etc as well. All teams above the Sharks on the log. 🙄

  • Comment 67, posted at 01.05.11 20:24:42 by McLovin Reply

  • @Big Fish (Comment 66) : Nice way of saying flogging a dead horse. 😎

  • Comment 68, posted at 01.05.11 20:29:20 by McLovin Reply

  • @McLovin (Comment 67) : @Big Fish (Comment 66) : 🙄 Big Fish, I bow to your wisdom

  • Comment 69, posted at 01.05.11 20:29:56 by Culling Song Reply
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    Culling Song
  • @McLovin (Comment 68) : Or a dead Shark perhaps? 😛 😉 😈

  • Comment 70, posted at 01.05.11 20:35:37 by McLovin Reply

  • @Culling Song (Comment 64) : Please feel free to point out the better talented Sharks. Beast, Bismarck, Alberts, Lambie & ? 😆

  • Comment 71, posted at 01.05.11 20:38:09 by McLovin Reply

  • Time for me to retire for the evening as well.

    Been fun. Hope no-one has taken this too seriously. 😉

    We all know the Sharks are the best. They have the best squad, best coach, best fans. 😈

  • Comment 72, posted at 01.05.11 20:43:57 by McLovin Reply

  • @McLovin (Comment 72) : no rather not say buy like that…

  • Comment 73, posted at 01.05.11 20:53:01 by franshark Reply
  • @McLovin (Comment 72) : as much as it hurts, your facts of the two matches this year is true and we have to exept that for now Stormers are the better team,

  • Comment 74, posted at 01.05.11 20:55:39 by franshark Reply
  • I was getting peeved earlier with the quality players we lost. But if I think about it, I maintain that dropping Stef and promoting Adi and bringing Swannie onto the bench will be good. As an all round baller I maintain that Meyer Bosman is a quality player with excellent distribution and would say is more complete than Dries Strauss. Stef is the problem, we need a specialist outside centre. Seriously look at the game again, Stef really put pressure on his centre partner. Meyer is guilty by association, he is defending two channels with Stef drifting. We need a specialist backline coach and defensive coordinator, Reece and Bash are being shown up technically.

  • Comment 75, posted at 01.05.11 22:37:04 by DarkDestroyer Reply

  • Minor adjustments to key areas can solve the problem, we have ammo, just a matter of how to use it…

  • Comment 76, posted at 01.05.11 22:55:46 by Charlie Reply

  • @DarkDestroyer (Comment 75) : 😯 You rate Bosman higher than Strauss??
    Strauss managed to keep the Bulls and the Stormers out last year.
    Bosman haven`t, that`s the bottom line.

    But hey at least the pressure is off now, we can experiment for the CC. Hopefully Marius Joubert will sort out our backline troubles.

    Our forwards didn`t exactly cover themselves in glory either this past weekend. Could be a positive for us in the long run. We should have more guys available for the CC.

  • Comment 77, posted at 02.05.11 08:44:13 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 77) : Pressure off? We still have a DAMNED good chance of making the play-offs!!!

    Why would you want to experiment?

  • Comment 78, posted at 02.05.11 08:47:44 by KSA Shark © Reply

    KSA Shark ©
  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 78) : It`s simple. If we can`t win the Stormers or the Crusers, we can`t win the series. So lets try some new combinations!

  • Comment 79, posted at 02.05.11 08:53:51 by Original Pierre Reply
    Original Pierre
  • Everydog has its day .Not so long ago I could sit on the couch in peace knowing that even if the stormers bought it all it would still be two or three tries to short.

    Now ,these poofs are handing it to us.
    Sharks will come right . I think it is time to realise that journeymen like Bosman and JLP will not make you title contenders.
    Get Frans steyn and ruan pienaar back …

  • Comment 80, posted at 02.05.11 10:03:24 by Talent Reply
  • 1.Beast

    17.Van Staaden

    Dont you wish…

  • Comment 81, posted at 02.05.11 10:12:03 by Talent Reply
  • J smit retired??

  • Comment 82, posted at 02.05.11 10:12:26 by Talent Reply
  • Talent
    Thanks a lot for the derogatory label. 🙄

  • Comment 83, posted at 02.05.11 10:20:53 by wpw Reply
  • It wasn’t men against boys. It was men playing clever rugby against men playing stupid rugby.

    One example of this is how we use Alberts. We have been relying heavily on him to get us over the advantage line, but over the course of the competition his effectiveness in this regard has waned steadily to the point where his impact has largely become negligable.

    Why? Because defenders have long since cottoned on to how we use him. They know that if Alberts is in a channel the ball will go to Alberts. And when Alberts gets the ball he is going to put his head down and charge. All they have to do is dedicate two defenders and bring him down. We never use him as a dummy runner and he never passes, so defending against him has become easy. NO variation means we create NO doubt so they can dedicate tacklers without worrying about opening space to either side of him.

    That is also why the return of Deysel won’t have the impact that we think, because we use him in exactly the same way. And Smit and Bissy and Beast and …

    Have a look at how often this stupid strategy (I use this word loosely) results in slow ball (or turnovers), a re-organised defense, “runners” receiving the ball standing still and generally a scrummie with very few options.

    Lately, there have been plenty of calls for McLeod to be dropped, but he isn’t the problem. We haven’t been getting over the advantage line like we used to. When there is nothing on just about the only option for a 9 is to kick, which is what has happened with McLeod. Even when the ball does go to the backline, the opposition is organised and waiting as if from first phase ball. Any team will stuggle to win playing like this, because it forces them into a game in which they play with very little quality possession.

    This is EXACTLY why we beat the majority of sides last year, but now the boot is on the other foot and we see similar results.

  • Comment 84, posted at 02.05.11 11:22:44 by rhineshark Reply
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    Spirit of Rugby
  • How about kanko at centre and big vic,deysel and botes/ daniel at loosies???

  • Comment 85, posted at 02.05.11 12:34:25 by ruggabugga Reply

  • @ruggabugga (Comment 85) : Now you know that will never happen.

  • Comment 86, posted at 02.05.11 23:52:14 by Ben Reply
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  • @Danman110 (Comment 22) : Agreed. The person who allowed them to go should be named and shamed.

  • Comment 87, posted at 03.05.11 10:33:43 by Original Pierre Reply
    Original Pierre
  • @Original Pierre (Comment 87) : Only a clown can allow that… 🙄

  • Comment 88, posted at 03.05.11 11:20:14 by Charlie Reply

  • i don’t like the way Plumpie said it was MEN against BOYS now tell me sth we played shit 😳 but to tell me they are boys oh plumpie thats not good at all i just hope you are with the boys and not the men for then the family thing is not right at all and then you must go and look deep into the mirrow and tell yourself where did you go wrong its one family and nt just you on the mens side 👿

  • Comment 89, posted at 04.05.11 17:48:07 by chaz Reply

  • @Original Pierre (Comment 79) : we still can win don’t give up

  • Comment 90, posted at 04.05.11 17:49:46 by chaz Reply


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