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Fixing the Sharks’ midfield


Written by Ben Venter (Ben)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Super Rugby on 10 May 2011 at 11:43
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I think it has become more than obvious that we have some problems in our midfield. Meyer Bosmarn and Stefan Terblanche haven’t exactly set the world alight in the first 12 rounds of the Super rugby season.

One MAIN concern for me has been their defence. And then we can add that they do not look like creating tries from set plays. Now this all can come down to the coaching and the structures the Sharks have in place.

I didn’t rate Meyer Bosman before he came to the Sharks and he really impressed me in the first few rounds. So I was made to eat my words. But lately it just looks like he has returned to his old ways. Defence for one is a problem and lately it seems he can’t buy a line break.

Stefan Terblanche is our big problem in my opinion, he seems miles out of depth in Super Rugby. He bulked up at the start of the season and by doing that seems to have lost that extra yard in pace. Not as if he was the quickest 13 around last year.

Now Plum really needs to start looking at his options, we cannot expect to win the competition or even come close to winning it if we continue playing like this.

He has got a few options available to him so he really doesn’t have any excuses and should have started rotating these midfield player quite a while ago.

Adrian Jacobs, the name on everyone’s lips at the moment. Not only does he add much needed pace to the back line he actually attacks the game line and as we saw against the Brumbies, he offloads brilliantly in the tackle. Also he is one of the most under rated 13’s in defence in SA.

The options are wide open in the midfield department. With players like, Riaan Swanepoel, Jacques L Potgieter and Adrian Jacobs that can slot in anytime with asking.

All I’m asking Plum to do is give some combinations a try and see what happens. Meyer at 12 and Adi at 13 is the first one I would like to be seen given a try. I think a 13 like Adi would do wonders for Meyer’s game. What combinations would like being tried?


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  • I have to disagree, Meyers the biggest defencive liability in my opinion. Oom Stef’s been way better on defence. That said there are obvious problems.

  • Comment 1, posted at 10.05.11 11:46:09 by billy Reply
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  • @billy (Comment 1) : Are you refering to the whole season or just the last couple of rounds? The last few rounds I’d say Meyer has been worse but imo Stef has been consistantly worse throughout the season.

  • Comment 2, posted at 10.05.11 11:55:47 by Ben Reply
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  • Why is it the sharks keep buying centers, building them up and then they leave? However, when we produce one of our own he is forced to go overseas… The only answer at 12 (cause terblanche is doing brilliantly) is to get brad barritt back- dunno who let him leave in the first place…

  • Comment 3, posted at 10.05.11 11:56:38 by jessi Reply

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  • My opinion, both of them are not up to scratch.
    Adi 12 and Ndungane at 13, like the All Blacks moved Tana Umanga to 13 from wing, because he lost that yard of pace. Ndungane is solid on defense and has a bit of flair. Will also give JPP and Mvovo chance on the wing.

  • Comment 4, posted at 10.05.11 11:59:12 by Reynier Jacobs Reply

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  • @Ben (Comment 2) : The whole season, may be my one eyed approach to watching it but i feel Meyers been shaky since the first game. It must be stated i consider Oom Stef a mate.

  • Comment 5, posted at 10.05.11 11:59:18 by billy Reply

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  • I’m probably going to get beaten with a stick…………

    But what about Meyer at @ 10 and Pat @ 12 😕 ❓

  • Comment 6, posted at 10.05.11 12:02:19 by SharksRTB Reply

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  • @jessi (Comment 3) : “cause terblanche is doing brilliantly”. Really?

  • Comment 7, posted at 10.05.11 12:02:47 by Ben Reply
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  • Talking about Meyers. We should have tried Tian Meyer out at centre while he was here. He played pretty well for the Pumas last year at centre. Not against the leopards or lions but against the Bulls.

  • Comment 8, posted at 10.05.11 12:03:11 by Mocho Reply

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  • @SharksRTB (Comment 6) : yes . i mean the stick part 😉

  • Comment 9, posted at 10.05.11 12:10:44 by rekinek Reply
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  • He bulked up at the start of the season and by doing that seems to have lost that extra yard in pace. Not as if he was the quickest 13 around last year.- Nonsense ,watch Discovery haha the more powerful your quaraceps are the faster you will be …and also by the way players will loose condition during the season gradually -Think Bismarcs best rugby was after a long rest and recovery from injury where he did lots of conditioning…
    Alberts is playing like he is when he was at the lions ,the long season has taken its toll on his conditioning which was probably the best it had ever been after the pre season with the sharks last year.

    Any case I agree with you Steff is a poor choice at 13 , despite his poor defence lately he has also always never chalenged any defence .He doesnt realy have great running lines ,doesnt straighten well ,doesnt draw players and commit them to put his outside backs in better positions …
    Not a 13

    Think we must give meyer a break

  • Comment 10, posted at 10.05.11 12:11:36 by Talent Reply
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  • Ai, I miss bratt… Lost a good guy there

  • Comment 11, posted at 10.05.11 12:13:29 by franshark Reply
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  • JLP 12, Adi 13 with MB covering 10 & 12 from the bench. Or MB 12, Adi 13 with JLP covering 10, 12 from the bench. Or like Reynier suggested Adi 12, Odwa 13 if we’re feeling slightly more adventurous with MB/JLP providing cover from the bench.

  • Comment 12, posted at 10.05.11 12:16:02 by vanmartin Reply
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  • Don’t agree with Swannie(Great Defence, lacks any creativity on attack) and JLP (Not the most creative and his defence is even worse than Bosman; Bosman can do better though he just needs to trust those inside and outside him, he moves out of his channel too much) being options. Let’s not forget that Joubert could be with the squad as early as next week if Clermont lose to Biaritz on Friday. I want 12.Joubert 13.Jacobs and Bosman can come off the bench.

    Maybe With Joubert at 13 Bosman’s defence will improve, due to the possible better understanding between the former cheetah players. Jacobs will always make an impact off the Bench when it opens up.

  • Comment 13, posted at 10.05.11 12:20:19 by JJR Reply
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  • Either way you look at it, it calls for Adi to slot into the 13 jersey. Bosman has been a major liability the last couple of games so I would look to JLP at 12.

  • Comment 14, posted at 10.05.11 12:20:59 by Viking Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 7) :
    Caught me by surprise too.

    A lot of the midfield woes is due to a poor defensive system, but Oupa (although he was very good against the Brumbies) is not close to being a Superrugby 13.

    He is a tad slow, which means that to cover the drift he moves early, leaving Bosman with a wide gap to cover, while on attack he does not have the speed, strenght or anticipation to run the right lines and exploit space.

    Compare Jacques Fourie’s try against us, Robert Ebersohn’s play and even the way Adi runs lines when he is on, and you will see the problem.

  • Comment 15, posted at 10.05.11 12:21:06 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 13) : Shit I forgot to mention Marius there!

  • Comment 16, posted at 10.05.11 12:22:58 by Ben Reply
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  • Guys Watch the Crusaders game; half of the tries they scored was because Bosman had to try and cover JLP too; JLP does not even have the tackling technique, Bosman still knows how to make a tackle.

  • Comment 17, posted at 10.05.11 12:32:18 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 17) : So you agree that Stef is the main concern here?

  • Comment 18, posted at 10.05.11 12:33:51 by Ben Reply
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  • What is more worrying than the average performances from the two players, is that John Plumtree has stuck with them for 11 games. It is little things like this that make you wonder if John Plumtree is really the bees knees.

  • Comment 19, posted at 10.05.11 12:38:42 by waje Reply

     
  • @jessi (Comment 3) : Barritt left because he was never going to get a look in at Bok and he wanted to pursue an international career with England, he already has a cap there. I really wish people would stop moaning when we lose players overseas, especially when the culprits are essentially the Bok coaches.

  • Comment 20, posted at 10.05.11 12:40:42 by war1 Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 18) : Been wanting him out before season even started. We also need to develop a new Captain for nexy year and he is stopping that from happening. Burden can even do a better job back at 13 than Stef is currently. Why does Lambie not defend in Bosman’s channel?

  • Comment 21, posted at 10.05.11 12:40:51 by JJR Reply
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  • @jessi (Comment 3) : Barrit realised he was not going to play for the Boks, would be eligible for England and gave it a shot. No one chased him away, and hats off to the Sharks for not standing in his way in trying to realise his dream.

  • Comment 22, posted at 10.05.11 12:42:44 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Clermont is on Super Sport on Friday Live. Support Joubert; but hope Clermont lose, need him to settle in as fast as possible.

  • Comment 23, posted at 10.05.11 12:42:55 by JJR Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 10) :

    I believe that the hamstrings play a far greater part in outright speed, than the quads.

    Although, I must say that I don’t believe that Stephs is as slow as some are making him out to be. I believe it’s more his positional play at 13 that is suspect.

  • Comment 24, posted at 10.05.11 12:57:39 by Bump Reply

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  • I’m getting really angry at people who say that Swannie isn’t creative etc. Most of the games he played for the Sharks was either next to Andy (Not)Goode or Monty Dumond. Neither of which really are known for their ability to get the best out of their centers

  • Comment 25, posted at 10.05.11 13:38:21 by KingRiaan Reply

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  • Swannie has had many chances; we have seen more than enough. Distribution not great…well that is when he decides to pass and he lacks a bit of pace in my opinion.

  • Comment 26, posted at 10.05.11 13:58:32 by JJR Reply
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  • Our Centres for next years Superugby. M.Joubert, A.Jacobs, M.Bosman and P.Jordaan.

    Possible signings to make sure we are covered for a good long while. (Joubert only has 2 years and Jacobs around 3 years in my opinion. 33 is in general the limit age when it comes to centre.)

    -Robert Ebersohn
    -Johann Sadie

    The youngsters like H.Williams, P.Lindeque and D.Jenner still need to prove themselves.

  • Comment 27, posted at 10.05.11 14:36:21 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 27) : Can’t wait for Paul Jordaan to make the step up.

  • Comment 28, posted at 10.05.11 14:37:46 by Ben Reply
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  • Sadie and Whitehead, now that excites me!
    Well spotted JJR! Cant agree more on your comment about Lindeque.

  • Comment 29, posted at 10.05.11 14:58:11 by Reynier Jacobs Reply

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  • @billy (Comment 1) : Agreed, Stef was part of the defense that won us the CC, Bosman wasn`t.
    Stef obviously isn`t the problem here.

  • Comment 30, posted at 10.05.11 15:43:06 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 30) : Andries Strauss tackled everyone before they could get the chance to run into Stef’s channel. 🙂

  • Comment 31, posted at 10.05.11 15:46:23 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 31) : Agree 100%. What does Stef actually bring to our attack and Honestly his Defence is not great, he missed around 5 tackles against Stormers at Kingspark, think he only made 2. He does nothing on attack, can’t draw and pass, doesn’t always run straight, doesn’t attack the gaps, has no vision, takes poor options which puts the wingers under pressure…the list goes on, he must retire.

  • Comment 32, posted at 10.05.11 16:04:36 by JJR Reply
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  • Bosman’s defence is poor, Stef D has also not been great and he can’t attack or ignite a backline to save his life. Bosman at least has great distribution and with better execution of what he wants to do on attack, he can be a very solid player.

  • Comment 33, posted at 10.05.11 16:07:29 by JJR Reply
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  • @JJR (Comment 32) : He should have retired after the CC. I honestly can’t see how people still defend him! Do they not watch the games or do they not pay attention or what?

  • Comment 34, posted at 10.05.11 16:10:31 by Ben Reply
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  • So our midfield in two weeks time should be Adi and Joubert with Stef back at 15?

    I like.

  • Comment 35, posted at 10.05.11 16:17:11 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 35) : Hopefully Stef on the bench if John starts.

  • Comment 36, posted at 10.05.11 16:19:46 by Ben Reply
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  • Don’t get me wrong guys, I have nothing against Stef. I think he’s a great guy and would love for him to make me eat my words! But that’s unlikely to happen!

  • Comment 37, posted at 10.05.11 16:23:37 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 36) : Ludik above Stef? 😯

  • Comment 38, posted at 10.05.11 16:24:53 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 38) : Dude any day! Monday to Sunday! 😉

  • Comment 39, posted at 10.05.11 16:25:50 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 39) : So much for loyalty I guess . . .

    But hey, if you say so.

  • Comment 40, posted at 10.05.11 16:28:31 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 40) : What do you mean loyalty?

  • Comment 41, posted at 10.05.11 16:30:57 by Ben Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 40) :
    Loyalty? Playing a player above another because of… what???

    Or has Ludik not shown any loyalty to the Sharks? Maybe we should bring back the super-loyal Craig Jameson too? 🙄

  • Comment 42, posted at 10.05.11 16:41:34 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 42) : I’d say Plum is appreciating Stef’s loyalty to the team far too much already.

  • Comment 43, posted at 10.05.11 16:44:57 by Ben Reply
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  • I’m not blaming anyone person, sure SA rugby are probably the ones who let it happen… But seriously I have had enough of us buying 2nd hand guys (JLP, bosman) we have enough talent in kzn, why aren’t the players coming through? Yeah I know there are plenty success’ from the academy but why we buying useless guys like JLP?

  • Comment 44, posted at 10.05.11 16:59:20 by jessi Reply

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  • @jessi (Comment 44) : JLP’s sighning is easy to explain. We sighned him last year before Lambie started playing flyhalf, we didn’t have a quality flyhalf and were desperate. So we went for JLP.

  • Comment 45, posted at 10.05.11 17:04:20 by Ben Reply
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  • I have been a Stef fan for a long time, but honestly, everyone is saying he played well this past week. Other than the little darting run he had, what else did he do exactly? Personally I don’t think he was any better than he has been in the past few games. A great player, superb servant to KZN Rugby, a great leader and will probably make a superb coach, but I am afraid he went one year too far in Super Rugby. I still think he will offer something in the Currie Cup this year though.

  • Comment 46, posted at 10.05.11 17:36:22 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 46) : Yes he will probably be the captain in the CC. Our new captain. Whoever they are thinking about taking over will most likely be away with the Boks.

  • Comment 47, posted at 10.05.11 17:47:55 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 47) : Keegan is a possibility for captain, and I am not sure he is likely to be away with the Boks. I can’t imagine that Deysel, Alberts and Keegan are all going to make the Bok squad. Either Deysel or Keegan would make good captains.

    Other than that Ben, do you think that Stef was better against the Brumbies than he has been or is everyone just crediting him for that little darting run he had?

  • Comment 48, posted at 10.05.11 18:03:40 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 48) : I heard Alberts is a big possibility for captain. And then there is Ali who has captained before.

    Hard to say because I missed the 1st half of the Brumbies game. But of what I saw he was pretty poor and imo he hasn’t had a good game at all this year! I really think Meyer will do better if Adi plays ouyside of him. Especially on attack.

  • Comment 49, posted at 10.05.11 18:12:00 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 49) : I agree Ben, I don’t think Stef improved at all in the Brumbies match, and I too would like to see Adi partnered with Bosman, at least for 2 or 3 games. Would also like to see a JLP/Adi partnership. Right now anything with Adi at 13 will be an improvement.

    Keegan captained the Sharks in two matches in the CC last year and Deysel has captained the Sharks XV this season. So I think that either of the three loosies (Alberts, Keegan or Deysel) would be a good choice for captain. And of course you are right about Ali as well, he has shown excellent leadership skills and captaining ability in the past.

  • Comment 50, posted at 10.05.11 18:16:50 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 49) : If you thought he was poor in the second half, he was even worse in the first half (like the rest of the team). Worst of all, he seemed to do nothing as captain to turn it around for the team in the first half, he seemed to be missing in action to me. I think part of the problem is having a 13 as captain, just too far from the action in my opinion. With Stef as captain, we need to appoint a forwards captain to ensure the forwards perform as expected on the day.

  • Comment 51, posted at 10.05.11 18:20:27 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 50) : LOL I agree. Anything with Adi at 13 will be an Improvement! Keegan did pretty well as captain last year but with all our loosies fit. Can you see him making the squand in every game? Deysel Alberts Kanko.

  • Comment 52, posted at 10.05.11 18:23:30 by Ben Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 51) : I agree, have never been a fan of having a captain in the backline.

  • Comment 53, posted at 10.05.11 18:25:28 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 52) : I would expect that Kanko and Alberts will make the Bok squad and not be available for the Currie Cup, I also think Deysel may make the squad. Therefore, I think Keegan will be the first loosie put on the team sheet each week for the Currie Cup. This is why I think he is best choice for captain.

  • Comment 54, posted at 10.05.11 18:49:06 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 54) : No but I mean for the future. When the Sharks have a full squad to select from?

  • Comment 55, posted at 10.05.11 18:52:52 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 55) : Ah right, understood. I think Deysel, Alberts, Keegan or Ali would be fine. Whoever is more likely to start every match.

  • Comment 56, posted at 10.05.11 19:00:25 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • The thing I like about Keegan is that last year, while Stef was captaining, and the Forwards needed a swift kick in the a$$, Keegan was in the middle of the pack, laying down the law and encouraging the players. All the forwards were listening intently and seemed to respect him. He was made captain a few games later. Personally I think he is the best bet for captain of the 4, but also the one most likely not to start.

  • Comment 57, posted at 10.05.11 19:02:16 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 56) : My thinking is that our back 3 of choice will be 6 Deysel 7 Alberts 8 kanko. So I think the captain is most likely to come from them. Don’t mind who they chose as captain. The sooner they start blooding him the better though.

  • Comment 58, posted at 10.05.11 19:04:23 by Ben Reply
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  • Raid Province, if that fails. Hunt down Robert and Sias. Think Sias would make a good 12.

  • Comment 59, posted at 10.05.11 19:04:34 by GreatSharksays Reply

     
  • @Ben (Comment 58) : I think you’re right. I think Keegan may be the best “captain” of all but the one least likely to start matches. Too bad really.

  • Comment 60, posted at 10.05.11 19:05:59 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 60) : Yip that is too bad. Have you seen Marius Joubert play lately?

  • Comment 61, posted at 10.05.11 19:08:42 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 61) : I have not seen him since he left SA. I was not very impressed when he was with the Cheetahs, but that could also be the players around him. He is going to have to really prove something to me on the pitch to place him above Adi on my pecking order.

  • Comment 62, posted at 10.05.11 19:10:41 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • The thing about Adi that no-one seems to mention is that he is as effective no matter what level he plays at, from Vodacom Cup to Currie Cup to Super Rugby to International Rugby. There are very few players that can step up at every level and play as well as Adi does. I’m afraid that Joubert’s international career is behind him.

  • Comment 63, posted at 10.05.11 19:12:30 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 63) : Could almost say Adi plays better with each step he takes up. Haven’t seen Marius play in ages as well so looking forward to see what the Sharks are seeing in him. Hope its not a case of him doing well in France because the standerd of competition is much lower than it is in SA.

  • Comment 64, posted at 10.05.11 19:19:37 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 64) : Well, it’s not Japan! 😉

  • Comment 65, posted at 10.05.11 19:34:18 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 65) : Haha Jaco vd Westhuizen came back from Japan a brilliant player, didn’t he? 🙂

  • Comment 66, posted at 10.05.11 19:39:27 by Ben Reply
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  • My 5 cents 🙂 : ronnie cooke would be a good signing for the sharks .
    And after seeing johann sadie play (albeit on the wing),I must concur with beet ( and congratulate him on saying the sharks should sign sadie way before most people on here even knew of the said player),and say that would also be a good signing to make.
    In hindsight it might have been better to keep kockott and only sign sadie ahead of this year’s superrugby season -but don’t know if the sharks management and coaches as sharp as beet to spot young talent..

  • Comment 67, posted at 10.05.11 20:05:46 by bergshark Reply

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  • Shouldn’t the cover defence’s commitment also not be questioned when discussing midfield probs on def?
    Think the prob has something to do with the system( as rob alluded to ).

  • Comment 68, posted at 10.05.11 20:36:01 by bergshark Reply

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  • Does anyone know what position Paul Jordaan prefers playing? I see him as a 12.

  • Comment 69, posted at 11.05.11 10:02:23 by Ben Reply
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