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How Sonny Bill can change the game of union


Written by Morné Nortier (Morné)

Posted in :Original Content on 10 May 2011 at 15:16
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Rugby Union will never be able to compete on a global level if it does not embrace a professional work ethic and mindset.

Rugby union is the best sport in the world! I guess I did not have to tell you that as those who will read this column will know it already.

How is it then that union, as a global sport, is so far behind the trend-setters? And no, the fact that the Rugby World Cup is the third most watched global sporting event does not change this, the fact is union is the sport of choice (most watched or followed) arguably in one country in the world only, New Zealand.

Some comments from individuals who are regarded as the leading experts in union has again re-affirmed that those who run the game, or has the power to change the game, are stuck in an archaic mindset.

One individual has everyone in the game talking at the moment, you know who I am talking about don’t you? Mr. Sonny Bill Williams.

There is no doubt that just about every single person that has anything to do with the game of rugby either as a commentator, coach, player or just a follower, is in absolute awe of the man. From parents encouraging their kids to do ‘Sonny-Bill’s’ (off-loads on tackles) to journalists literally salivating all over their keyboards when they write something about him.

I am not sure if I am just stupid and have no clue what I am talking about, or if the ‘hype’ surrounding the player is as simple as a player that has broken the norm in his approach (more by accident than anything else), and because of that has everyone deluded just to what he is all about.

Sonny Bill himself probably sits back and thinks to himself; ‘What are all these damn fools on about? I am just doing what is natural to me!’

Perhaps allow me to explain.

A comment from a leading rugby expert and legend within the game of South Africa recently mentioned on one of these Rugby Magazine shows on television that he believes that the 15 players you pick to run onto the field should be the best 15 guys, and the 7 left on the bench should only be used if completely necessary (in other words if one of the first 15 gets injured).

What???

Am I the only person on this planet that thinks that this statement is absolutely absurd? It seemed like it because his two in-studio guests all agreed with him (both Rugby World Cup winners no-less).

How, given the shifts the game of rugby has made globally since the start of professionalism, can we still not have the leading minds of the game accept that rugby is a 22-man game, played for 85 minutes? And if they cannot accept it, is it so surprising that our coaches still don’t get this or accept this and ultimately, neither do our players?

Not only do you have to coach, plan and strategize for a game today using all 22 players afforded to you to get maximum return from each individual and a massive advantage over your opponents on game-day, you have to ensure that you have at least 35 to 40 individuals in a squad system good enough to be called into a so-called ‘starting 15’ position on a 12-hour notice!

Which brings me back to Sonny Bill Williams…

Is this guys awesome? Damn straight he is! Is he a rugby phenomenon the likes of who we will see once in a lifetime? No, well yes…, if we continue to think about the game the same way we did 30 years ago, the Sonny Bill Williams’ of this world will come around once in a lifetime.

When I was first asked for my opinion on Williams a couple of weeks ago, I did not think he was anything special or phenomenal. What I did recognise is how he executes certain things on a rugby pitch with such brilliance, or better than anyone else, and does so consistently. You see I don’t think anything he does on a rugby field is groundbreaking or new, but why he does it so effectively is what caught my interest.

All of a sudden everyone wants Sonny Bill Williams clones, but has anyone actually asked WHY he is able to do what he does?

Firstly, recognise that Sonny Bill is a complete athlete, but being a complete athlete does not account for the ultimate product. We all know his background and influences, not only was he a league superstar, he is also a professional boxer.

In each sporting code you have different disciplines which are important if you are to succeed in them, more importantly in the context of this subject, it allows you to develop a specific skills sets which you would not normally develop if you had to practice just one of the codes and not all three like Williams has and still does.

Now I am not for one second suggesting send all rugby players on a league course or hand them a pair of boxing gloves, but what I am saying is that if you are to move forward, or stay ahead of the pack and develop the ultimate rugby player, you need to get your head out of your ass and realise the archaic mythologies we currently subscribe to is not good enough anymore.

Not only does a rugby team need a defense coach, they need a defense coach who is assisted by a contact expert.

Not only does a rugby team need an attack coach, they need an attack coach who is assisted by visualisation coach and experts in the field of biokinetics.

And I can carry on…

But what do most professional rugby teams have today? Well for some professional teams a dedicated defense coach alone is apparently a luxury…

I have no doubt Sonny Bill Williams’ ‘awesomeness’ is thanks to his development of specific skills no normal rugby player is currently exposed to, hence the fact he does what every rugby player has been doing for decades, he just does it differently, more effectively, and with greater consistency.

The one thing I will give Sonny Bill, is that he was an ‘accident’ that needed to happen in rugby union for some time now, and I can just hope that once we are all done wiping the saliva off our mouths admiring the exploits of this player on the rugby pitch, we will actually recognise the real reasons behind it.

But I fear listening to the leading rugby minds in South Africa currently, our own Sonny Bill’s are still some years away…


145 Comments

  • I for one hope he stays in NZ and keeps playing competitive rugby instead of going back to France.

  • Comment 1, posted at 10.05.11 15:56:31 by Ben Reply
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  • He has already had a huge impact from what I’ve seen this Super 15.

    I don’t know if it’s my imagination, but more and more players seem to be doing the “Sonny Bill” offload and generally making more of an effort to keep the ball alive in the tackle.

  • Comment 2, posted at 10.05.11 16:05:57 by rhineshark Reply
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  • Ahhhh – you talking bout the one and only “on de udder hand darren” *sniff* Naas Botha… 😆

  • Comment 3, posted at 10.05.11 16:14:04 by Ice Reply
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  • I reckon our players must take up ballet lessons…fantastic discipline that…

  • Comment 4, posted at 10.05.11 16:17:29 by Ice Reply
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  • This is not much new to me…have seen @ club level simlar type of passes, but coaches do not encourage players to do it, rather stick to basic passing…IMO if it’s successful why not, but the risk of the ball getting into the wrong hands are higher and can be costly…

  • Comment 5, posted at 10.05.11 16:20:11 by Charlie Reply

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  • @rhineshark (Comment 2) : Correction, lots more guys trying the SB offload, but not everyone makes it work.

  • Comment 6, posted at 10.05.11 16:23:57 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • Morne, what did you think of the magazine hosts confession that he put his microphone off while acting as a team manager to Jake White in one of the age group world cups. Seems he didnt agree with Jake wanting to bring on subs so he just put the mic off and carried on with his own thing.

    On Sonny Bill, I am (grudgingly) in awe.

  • Comment 7, posted at 10.05.11 16:27:29 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • Nice one Morne.

    SBW is a great athlete, and a gifted footballer. What makes him good is he that he is quick and strong enough to pose a threat on his own, but he has great ball skills too – like Tana Umaga and Butch.

    I guess I like that a player is getting all this attention because of his ability to create opportunities for others, rather than for his own on-field finishing – maybe he will spearhead a generation of creative superstars rather than Ronaldo’s for a change?

    Your point regarding rounded coaching is acute. SA especially is not very open to that kind of cross-pollination, despite the successes of some guys like Doppies and Lukas van Biljon (wrestling), Mark Andrews (waterpolo), Ollie (waterpolo, squash etc), Steven Sykes (SA U21 javelin champ I believe).

    Macintosh used to have training sessions playing basketball and other sports to develop certain skills, but I don’t know if that is done much anymore. Under him the Sharks certainly seemed to have evolved beyond any other team at the time.

    For the record, SBW is good, but I think a few games will see opposition latch onto his strenghts and weaknesses – then his adaptability becomes the question.

  • Comment 8, posted at 10.05.11 16:30:06 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Wasn’t Jonah Lomu a phenom at one stage too? We will get over SBW too 😛

  • Comment 9, posted at 10.05.11 16:30:09 by Jarson (AddicteD) Reply
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  • PDV has had a pretty good go at SBW for his style of play.

    Motormouth Springboks coach Peter de Villiers has launched another scathing attack on Crusaders star Sonny Bill Williams, describing his flamboyant offloading style as “nonsense” and a poor example for young rugby players.

    De Villiers’ latest assault on the All Black World Cup certainty comes in an interview for a South African online rugby magazine. It follows comments he made previously to South African reporters suggesting the Crusaders No 12 would be found out when he had his space cut down.

    Williams, though, was brilliant in the Crusaders’ gritty victory over the Stormers in Cape Town at the weekend, cutting the competition’s best defence open with his offloads, ball-strips and power running.

    Advertisement: Story continues below De Villiers told the “union sports mag” that he has not been impressed with Williams’ play.

    “I hope he will mature his game,” said de Villiers. “He’s doing everything wrong what rugby principles require of you in the game.

    “Backhand passes shouldn’t be the norm… it has become the norm, now everyone wants to do that kind of nonsense.

    “This kind of non-rugby stuff he’s doing, if it comes off it’s brilliant, but do you have control over these kind of things? If you get to the international level where people work you out, then you have to be in control of what you’re doing.”

    De Villiers said a youngster watching Williams in Super Rugby would get the wrong impression of the core skills needed.

    “He’ll spend hours and hours on the things that are not important and never master the most important things of rugby.”

    Asked if he’d worked Williams out, de Villiers said: “If you close down his space, put pressure on him and hit him hard, and if you don’t dance around with him like he does, then no way…”

    De Villiers’ comments should, of course, be taken in context. The Boks coach has long been renowned for verbalising his bizarre thoughts, and it just may be that he has identified Williams as a clear threat to his team’s World Cup defence later this year.

    I especially like the last paragraph.

  • Comment 10, posted at 10.05.11 16:33:10 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 10) :

    This is what Len olivier had to say on PdV’s comments.

    In my mind,this is exactly where SArugby has got it SO wrong.In SA they want you to play in patterns and in a spesific structures for PHASES. Its to dangerous for any young player and most other to do things SBW does,it could work 3/4 times,but as soon as it doesnt come of once,you will get crusified!!!SBW demolished Jean on Saturday,and Todd Blackadder gives him the freedom to do what he does best,and its working!!

    And i would like to know who PDV thinks was the best inside centre on saturday….JEAN DE VILIIERS?????? dont think so…

    I agree with everything Len says

  • Comment 11, posted at 10.05.11 16:34:29 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Jarson (AddicteD) (Comment 9) : One who never scored a single try against the Springboks. 😎

  • Comment 12, posted at 10.05.11 16:36:25 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • SBW is to rugby like Lasith Malinga is to cricket. 🙂

  • Comment 13, posted at 10.05.11 16:41:47 by Ben Reply
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  • @KSA Shark (comment12) You took the words right out of my mouth – hey lets not belittle SBW – he’s brought entertainment back into rugby and pulling in the crowds and THATS what important in my mind!

  • Comment 14, posted at 10.05.11 16:49:10 by Caratacus Reply

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  • @Caratacus (Comment 14) : SBW is a Superstar (not in the making, he is already one)

    As indicated above our young players get that coached out of them because it is to risky.

  • Comment 15, posted at 10.05.11 16:57:22 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 11) : Demolished Jean nogal. 🙄 😆

    I’d love Len to give us some examples. 😈

  • Comment 16, posted at 10.05.11 18:02:49 by McLovin Reply

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  • Apart from his off-loads there’s not much to him. 😈

  • Comment 17, posted at 10.05.11 18:06:43 by McLovin Reply

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  • This is a bit of topic, but what I saw the Cheetahs do with ball in hand on Saturday ( albeit it was against the Lions) was anything but keeping it in phases. Naka seems to have opened up to some really enterprising rugby. Brussouws back pass was just one example. I fear the Cheetahs will give us and the rest of the teams a run for their money.

  • Comment 18, posted at 10.05.11 18:42:48 by Mocho Reply

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  • I think we have to acknowledge the fact that the Crusaders are helping SBW to shine week on week with outstanding skills all round. While the rugby pundits and media types are drooling over Sonny Bill, they are overlooking the fact that Blackadder has very effectively tailored his team’s game to best exploit SBW’s strengths and shore-up his weaknesses.
    Whether it is wise to build an overall playing style around key team members like this is not being questioned simply because at the moment it’s working. The very same way that the All Blacks worked so well with Lomu until South Africa found the way to completely neutralise him.
    There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that SBW is a phenom, and that Morne is astute in his assessment of the man’s overall skill-set. However, I am not 100% convinced that he would appear so awesome in any other team. And in this respect I will reserve judgment until after the RWC.
    SBW’s star has risen at an auspicious time. And to a large degree the amount of attention being paid to him is exponentially related to the timing of his “unveiling”… coming as it has on the tail end of an awful natural tragedy in his team’s hometown and in the build up to the game’s biggest competition being held in his country.
    I am not suggesting that this in any way detracts from his ability as a player, but I do think that perhaps the perspective has been somewhat obscured as a result.
    Time will tell.

  • Comment 19, posted at 10.05.11 19:14:55 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • Professional boxer?? His last bout was against an aussie who works like 12 hour shifts as a forklift driver (if I heard right on the radio),and then he only beat the guy on points (over 6 rounds).. Pro sportsman beats forklifgt driver on points in boxing match.. Doesn’t really make for impressive reading if you’re the pro athlete..

  • Comment 20, posted at 10.05.11 19:48:41 by bergshark Reply

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  • Jean div was anonymous in the match,but j fourie was on fire!

  • Comment 21, posted at 10.05.11 19:52:17 by bergshark Reply

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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 19) : I agree.

  • Comment 22, posted at 10.05.11 20:02:17 by McLovin Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 21) : So what happend dude? I’m pretty sure you said the Stormers WILL beat the Crusaders in Cape Town? 🙂

  • Comment 23, posted at 10.05.11 20:05:59 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben: yeah,the stormers were disappointing .. And there wasn’t even a carter or mcgaw in the saders 22 !

  • Comment 24, posted at 10.05.11 20:08:28 by bergshark Reply

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  • So why was sbw substitued vs wales last year?? And he didn’t even have to face jamie roberts in that test match..
    I would like to see jamie roberts in a sharks jersey 🙂

  • Comment 25, posted at 10.05.11 20:12:15 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 24) : Yes no McCaw and Carter. You can’t even use Grant as an excuse.

  • Comment 26, posted at 10.05.11 20:12:32 by Ben Reply
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  • @ben: oh yes,no grant! That’s why stormers lost lol

  • Comment 27, posted at 10.05.11 20:16:22 by bergshark Reply

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  • Wouldve been interesting if duvenhage’s try was allowed.. Guess the touchie was in spirit with rest of fans wearing saders jerseys at newlands..albeit they all saffas 🙁

  • Comment 28, posted at 10.05.11 20:18:03 by bergshark Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 28) : That was a pretty sad sight.

  • Comment 29, posted at 10.05.11 20:25:01 by Ben Reply
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  • Yeah I agree ! We need players who bend the norm like this guy to improve all the time . I think there will come a time and place where this guy meets a player like willem alberts or jamie roberts head on in a tackle and his fancy ofload one handed pass will cost the team ,its great when he pulls it of but with the world cup in mind we know how tight things become and then he will have to revert to his distribution and running game ,now are they that good? Is he as silky skilled a runner and passer as he is an offloader? What if the bonecollector blindisde him in his 22 in the world cup final and he has that ball in his one hand?? Make you think

  • Comment 30, posted at 10.05.11 20:39:29 by Talent Reply
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  • @Talent: precisely! And something else to look at carefully: how good is his defence? And doesn’t he sometimes use a bit of the shoulder a la butch james?would like to see how the wallabies play him.

  • Comment 31, posted at 10.05.11 20:46:35 by bergshark Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 22) : Thank you. I’m glad someone thinks I am talking sense! Howzit?

  • Comment 32, posted at 10.05.11 21:38:52 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 19) : when sonny bill williams signed with the NZRU & was drafted to Cantebury for the ITM Cup, there was NO earthquake in christchurch! Even at the time the hype was fever pitch. Ask Hertford Highlander, he will tell you i even question the amount of hype at the time cos i hadn’t seen him play union even though he’d played 2 seasons with Toulon.

    The fact the the NZRU is cashing in on SbW’s start status is undeniable, he is the only player to have a contract with the NZRU that allows him to BOX – where he could potentially be injured – but the union is pandering to him for his money spinning capability!

    SbW played for the All Blacks on the eoyt, the hype in the UK was huge too, so to associate the tragedy in Chch with his fame is misguided to say the least.

  • Comment 33, posted at 10.05.11 22:18:40 by Megatron Reply

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  • @bergshark (Comment 25) : me too. Awesome player!

  • Comment 34, posted at 10.05.11 22:54:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 34) :
    Johan Sadie will do just fine, thanks guv.

  • Comment 35, posted at 10.05.11 23:22:08 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @McLovin (Comment 22) : @SharonvanWyk (Comment 32) : SBW, is a fine young man. Doing our sport a great service for now.

    Enjoy him why he graces our competition. I’m sure he has other challenges that interest him other than playing S15.

    The thing that strikes me about the guy is how much of an allrounder he is becoming at union.

    Maybe something that may keep him here next season maybe a positional switch, maybe somewhere in the loose forwards. 😯

    He is not the sort of chap to let the grass grow under his feet. 😕 I’m sure there are more pleasant spots on the planet to live at the minute other than Christchurch. 😕

  • Comment 36, posted at 11.05.11 00:20:29 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 28) :

    When a ball is not thrown in correctly it is still out and nobody can score a try from that. Advantage does not apply when the ball is out.

    As far as I can see the only mistake the referee made was that the Stormers should have got the subsequent throw in.

    Law 19 (e)
    (e) At a quick throw-in, if the player throws the ball in the direction of the opposition’s goal line or
    if the ball does not travel at least five metres to the five metres line along or behind the line of
    touch before it touches the ground or a player, or if the player steps into the field of play when
    the ball is thrown, then the quick throw-in is disallowed. The opposing team chooses to throw
    in at either a lineout where the quick throw-in was attempted, or a scrum on the15-metre line
    at that place. If they too throw in the ball incorrectly at the lineout, a scrum is formed on the
    15-metre line. The team that first threw in the ball throws in the ball at the scrum.

  • Comment 37, posted at 11.05.11 03:54:01 by fyndraai Reply
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  • @bergshark (Comment 28) : Why would you want to allow a try that wasn’t a try?

    And on the support issue. And all those NOT in CT supporting the Crusaders? Surely anyone can support who they want.

  • Comment 38, posted at 11.05.11 07:11:41 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 33) : I agree with you Megatroll. Hasn’t got anything to do with the Christchurch tragedy.

  • Comment 39, posted at 11.05.11 07:48:38 by Ben Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 19) :
    You are right Sharon.
    SBW will not be as effective in another team because there aren’t a lot of teams out there that run the support lines that the Crusaders do. BUT the Crusaders changed their gameplan to exploit the skills that SBW brings.

  • Comment 40, posted at 11.05.11 08:15:29 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 36) :

    I expected a bit of a backlash from you on this! 😉

  • Comment 41, posted at 11.05.11 08:48:42 by Morné Reply
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  • Sonny Bill a great player indeed

  • Comment 42, posted at 11.05.11 08:50:39 by chaz Reply

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  • @Morné (Comment 41) :

    You will never recieve a backlash from me ! 😉

  • Comment 43, posted at 11.05.11 08:59:06 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • @Hertford Highlander (Comment 43) :

    Well its not like I did not recognise the genius he brings to the game 🙂

    I am criticising our own coaches for not figuring out how or why!

  • Comment 44, posted at 11.05.11 09:01:48 by Morné Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 44) :

    True, can’t realistically see him in the competition next year.

    …..probably be off playing ice hockey or something !

  • Comment 45, posted at 11.05.11 09:06:43 by Hertford Highlander Reply
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  • It would be great if SBW hung around in Southern Hemisphere rugby for a while, but realistically he’ll most likely head back north after the RWC considering the container-load of cash they’re willing to throw at him…

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 40) : “BUT the Crusaders changed their gameplan to exploit the skills that SBW brings.” And *that* is the heart of the matter; although some Super Rugby squads are undoubtedly comprised of more talented players than others, with regards to the top teams, on average, there is probably not much difference.

    Where there is a difference is in the respective areas of strength and weaknesses, and it is up to the coaches to work out how to leverage their strengths to gain maximum advantage, while compensating for their areas of weakness. Similarly, it is also the coach’s duty to work out how to expose the oppositions weaknesses, and to nullify their strengths.

    That is how the Reds beat the Stormers, it’s the reason why the Stormers destroyed us, and it’s why SBW is such a good fit at the Crusaders, and has made such a big impact on the rugby landscape.

  • Comment 47, posted at 11.05.11 09:36:45 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 12) : the same one that drew so much attention that two of him team mates could score a record of 20 tries between them against the boks

  • Comment 48, posted at 11.05.11 09:44:53 by willa Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 8) : I would have thought that basketball and wrestling (or something similar, maybe judo) would be mandatory training requirements; the former for passing skills, particularly into space, and peripheral vision and awareness, and the latter for balance and contact skills.

    Oh, and Toastmasters, so that players winning MOM awards don’t have to come across as gibbering idiots in public (although, in fairness, the Sharks players actually seem to acquit themselves fairly well on that front).

  • Comment 49, posted at 11.05.11 09:50:10 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 40) : “BUT the Crusaders changed their gameplan to exploit the skills that SBW brings.” you make that sound like a bad thing to do, you reckon of SBW came to play for the Sharks you’d still expect Oupa terrblanche & odwa to be doing the useless running around they do now or run on sonny’s shoulder to exploit the spaces he creates?

    that would be as daft as having lionel messi in your team and starving him of the ball 😆

  • Comment 50, posted at 11.05.11 10:26:03 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 50) : I dont think Pokkel made it sound bad at all…you wanna see what you wanna see perhaps? Ok – “exploit” might sound “negative” -but I for one new that it was not meant to sound like that…give us dutchies a break! 😉

  • Comment 51, posted at 11.05.11 10:38:38 by Ice Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 50) : SBW coming to the Sharks ?! < pops the Champaigne > 😈

  • Comment 52, posted at 11.05.11 10:42:50 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 51) : Pokkel was echoing Sharon’s cynical view of how Blackadder has OSTENSIBLY tailored the whole saders team to enhance sbw’s strong points & at the same time gloss over his weaknesses.

    refer “I think we have to acknowledge the fact that the Crusaders are helping SBW to shine week on week with outstanding skills all round. While the rugby pundits and media types are drooling over Sonny Bill, they are overlooking the fact that Blackadder has very effectively tailored his team’s game to best exploit SBW’s strengths and shore-up his weaknesses.
    Whether it is wise to build an overall playing style around key team members like this is not being questioned simply because at the moment it’s working. The very same way that the All Blacks worked so well with Lomu until South Africa found the way to completely neutralise him.”

    so you see Uysie, no break for you Dutchies!!!!!!!!!! 👿 😈

  • Comment 53, posted at 11.05.11 11:01:48 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 53) : 🙄 You just dont get it, megsie….so give up! 😉

  • Comment 54, posted at 11.05.11 11:15:24 by Ice Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 53) : And the point of discussion was POKKEL’s comment…stay on the topic, paleeeese.. 😈

  • Comment 55, posted at 11.05.11 11:16:27 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 54) : give it to me mama, make me get it 😛

  • Comment 56, posted at 11.05.11 11:23:19 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 55) : don’t be myopic, his post doesn’t exist in a vaccum, he was AGREEING with Shazzie! 🙄 😕

  • Comment 57, posted at 11.05.11 11:24:45 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 57) : The crux of his comment that you commented on was: “@Pokkel (Comment 40) : “BUT the Crusaders changed their gameplan to exploit the skills that SBW brings.” you make that sound like a bad thing to do,”

    And based on THAT I made my comment…

  • Comment 58, posted at 11.05.11 11:32:58 by Ice Reply
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  • As much as I hate to admit this. Megatroll I have agreed with you twice now on one article! What happening to me? The Crusaders have always had great support running lines. Since way back before Sonny. The didn’t have to change much at all to adopt to Sonny’s way of playing. Actually I would say he suits their game perfectly.

  • Comment 59, posted at 11.05.11 11:40:13 by Ben Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 57) : @Ice (Comment 58) : On my phone so excuse my writing. I think you misunderstood me Mega. I’m a big fan of SBW and applaud the fact that the Saders have been able to develop their game plan in such a way as to maximise the skills of SBW. I agree with CS that SA coaches would do well to play to the players strengtr

  • Comment 60, posted at 11.05.11 11:46:31 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 59) : Heavens above, I’m also going to throw my weight behind Megatron. What is the world coming to? 😯

    Fact is, SBW’s skill set is particularly suited to create opportunities for players running good lines off him, and the Crusaders have excelled at good running lines ever since we first came down from the trees.

    SBW and Crusaders = hand in glove.

  • Comment 61, posted at 11.05.11 11:46:33 by Culling Song Reply
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  • @Culling Song (Comment 61) : Might just be a case of Mega finally starting to make some sense! 🙂

  • Comment 62, posted at 11.05.11 11:49:56 by Ben Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 60) : You see MEGATRON….he did not want to make it sound like a bad thing….Take THAT!! 😆

    And for the reckord – I am also with Megs, Pokkel, CS and Ben on this one.

  • Comment 63, posted at 11.05.11 11:58:29 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 59) : @Culling Song (Comment 61) : you boys are funny 😀 i’m no ‘troll’, just sometimes a different view to the norm 😛

  • Comment 64, posted at 11.05.11 11:59:23 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Ice (Comment 63) : bwahahaha 😆

  • Comment 65, posted at 11.05.11 12:00:25 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 64) : 😉

  • Comment 66, posted at 11.05.11 12:01:13 by Ben Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 64) : “sometimes”? more like “most of the time”… 😉

    @Megatron (Comment 65) : What’s so funny, hunny?

  • Comment 67, posted at 11.05.11 12:09:09 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 63) : babe, for all it’s worth, the crusaders haven’t “tailored” their game to suit SBW, he has fitted well to the Saders setup, in the same way Israel Dagg seems to have! what daryl gibson has done is to make sbw aware of mismatches & other spaces to exploit in the game eg. the 1st crocket try against stormers, sbw barging through bekker & cj – forwards and offloading to maitland…

    go revisit the sharks game and you’ll see that for their fifth try, the Saders turned over the ball from the sharks, fotuali’i the scrummie picks up the ball, darts while offloading the ball in the opposite direction where zac guilford was already off the mark with sean maitland exactly on guilford’s left shoulder and bang zac offloads for sean to canter over…

    this is how the crusaders have been playing for YEARS! it is a fallacy to say they “tailored” their game around sonny bill…lesson over 😀

  • Comment 68, posted at 11.05.11 12:25:20 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 68) : Ok – point taken on that particular bit from Pokkel – let’s rephrase

    “Fact is, SBW’s skill set is particularly suited to create opportunities for players running good lines off him, and the Crusaders have excelled at good running lines ever since we first came down from the trees.”

    “The Crusaders have always had great support running lines. Since way back before Sonny. The didn’t have to change much at all to adopt to Sonny’s way of playing. Actually I would say he suits their game perfectly.”

    So in essence then – I agree with ben and Cs…regarding that point, but I still maintain that Pokkels comment (even if it said that the Saders tailored their game to suite SBW) was not meant to be negative, more a compliment.

    I think this settles it then… 🙄 geezlikit

  • Comment 69, posted at 11.05.11 12:33:26 by Ice Reply
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  • Difference between NZ rugby (esp Crusaders) and SA rugby is the ability they have to run good lines and the fact that they always look to off-load.

    Adi is superb at this, but playing at a typical SA side, this is not appreciated.

    How much more effective would Deysel, Alberts, Bismark and Beast be if they actually chose to run at the point of least resistance? They are so effective now purely because they are monstrous athletes – and NZ would love to have them.

    Beast at least often does a shimmy before driving forward – the rest depend on brute force alone – and off-loading is not part of the plan.

  • Comment 70, posted at 11.05.11 12:57:08 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 70) : I have heard it being described as “stampkar rugby”…

  • Comment 71, posted at 11.05.11 12:59:47 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 71) : 😆

  • Comment 72, posted at 11.05.11 13:10:01 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 70) : that’s worthy of an article

  • Comment 73, posted at 11.05.11 13:57:29 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 73) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 74, posted at 11.05.11 14:00:58 by Charlie Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 68) : if im not mistaking it was bekker and jdv

  • Comment 75, posted at 11.05.11 14:08:53 by willa Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 73) : hint hint

  • Comment 76, posted at 11.05.11 14:22:56 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 70) : Or when they do attempt to offload, it is in a blind panic, and the the ball tends to go loose, and any forward momentum is lost. The crusaders follow up on the ball carrier so well, so that when the offload does come, there are players on hand to take the pass, and the movement doesn’t break down

  • Comment 77, posted at 11.05.11 14:28:46 by Greg Reply

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  • @Pokkel (Comment 76) :
    Taken: will jump on it.

  • Comment 78, posted at 11.05.11 14:31:33 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @willa (Comment 75) : you’re mistaken, it was bekker and cj like i said earlier…

  • Comment 79, posted at 11.05.11 14:32:13 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 79) : jeez sorry my mistake

  • Comment 80, posted at 11.05.11 15:11:13 by willa Reply

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  • @willa (Comment 80) : no need to apologize… 🙂

  • Comment 81, posted at 11.05.11 15:15:37 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 81) : You’ve been nice recently here on SW…….what’s wrong?? You and the family OK?? 😉

  • Comment 82, posted at 11.05.11 15:22:30 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 81) : it’s too late to apologise… It’s too late. Too late 🙂

  • Comment 83, posted at 11.05.11 15:26:12 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 83) :
    😆

    Sorry
    Is all that you can’t say
    Years gone by and still
    Words don’t come easily
    Like sorry, like sorry…

  • Comment 84, posted at 11.05.11 15:34:14 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 82) : i’ve always been nice! maybe it’s you lot opening your minds up to out-of-the-box thinking 😛 😉

  • Comment 85, posted at 11.05.11 15:41:10 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 84) : hippie! 😎

  • Comment 86, posted at 11.05.11 15:46:00 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 85) : perceptions perceptions!!!! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 87, posted at 11.05.11 15:47:51 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Me a hippie?

    I’m a son of the streets. Dawg.

  • Comment 88, posted at 11.05.11 16:08:31 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 88) : and for that matter, I don’t rate Tracy Chapman as much of a hippie either

  • Comment 89, posted at 11.05.11 16:18:41 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 88) : fa’real? aiight fo shizzle my dizzle 😀

  • Comment 90, posted at 11.05.11 16:30:53 by Megatron Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 89) : shut up baldhead slick! 👿

  • Comment 91, posted at 11.05.11 16:48:26 by Megatron Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 89) :
    Did you know that she once dated Alice Walker? 😯

    @Megatron (Comment 90) :
    Now you just embarrassing yourself. Ese. 😎

  • Comment 92, posted at 11.05.11 16:51:32 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 91) : temper temper meggymoo… 🙂

  • Comment 93, posted at 11.05.11 16:52:04 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 92) : jeez dude… I didn’t realise either of them was lebanese…

  • Comment 94, posted at 11.05.11 16:54:14 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 94) : although it seems I was seriously naive about it in Tracy’s case, anyway… seemingly it’s common knowledge that she likes to order a burger at her local Fur Steak Ranch

  • Comment 95, posted at 11.05.11 16:56:56 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 94) :u dirrint???

  • Comment 96, posted at 11.05.11 16:58:16 by Ice Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 93) :
    Meggymoo? Bwaaahaaahaaa! 😆

    @robdylan (Comment 94) :
    Yup.

    But both have deep, socially-conscious minds, so I guess that was enough to overcome the 20+ year age difference.

    I’m just glad that Shakira and Jessica Alba haven’t given up before meeting me. 😉

  • Comment 97, posted at 11.05.11 16:59:41 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 97) : Jessica Alba?

    Not into that chick…. her skin and her hair are the same colour…. it freaks me out

  • Comment 98, posted at 11.05.11 17:14:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 92) : embarrassin” how so dawg?

  • Comment 99, posted at 11.05.11 17:16:43 by Megatron Reply

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  • @robdylan (Comment 93) : how do i post an article here?

  • Comment 100, posted at 11.05.11 17:17:23 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 97) : Shakira is snogging Gerard Pique (Barcelona football player) who is 10 years her junior, talk about a cougar!

  • Comment 101, posted at 11.05.11 17:19:58 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 101) : What’s it with you and cougars, bru? 😆

  • Comment 102, posted at 11.05.11 18:42:14 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 33) : OK. I’ve read through a bit now, and you REALLY have to learn to read, megsy-pooh 👿
    And I quote:
    “SBW’s star has risen at an auspicious time. And to a large degree the amount of attention being paid to him (THIS MEANS THE ATTENTION FROM THE MEDIA) is exponentially related to the timing of his “unveiling”… (MEANING HIS SUPERUGBY RISE TO STARDOM) coming as it has on the tail end of an awful natural tragedy in his team’s hometown and in the build up to the game’s biggest competition being held in his country (BOTH OF WHICH HAVE BEEN REFERENCED IN MOST CRUSADERS STORIES SINCE, ESPECIALLY THE SHARKS MATCH AT TWICKENHAM… UM BECAUSE IT WAS A FUNDRAISER!)
    I am not suggesting that this in any way detracts from his ability as a player (AS IN NOT SLAGGING HIM OFF – THE GUY’S BRILLIANT), but I do think that perhaps the perspective (OF THE MEDIA) has been somewhat obscured as a result.
    Savvy? We on the same page now? Meaning that I actually think SBW rocks? And he rocks even more because he’s part of such a good team? Or must I spell it out some more.
    xxx

  • Comment 103, posted at 11.05.11 18:57:19 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 98) : Not into that chick? Dude! Whatsup! Would give anything to have her and Megan Fox next to my bed side! 🙂

  • Comment 104, posted at 11.05.11 19:01:45 by Ben Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 102) : He’s looking for one of his own. 🙂

    MANY a young man’s dream that.

  • Comment 105, posted at 11.05.11 19:02:02 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @KSA Shark © (Comment 105) : So I hear. But where are them that dream? 😆 😆

  • Comment 106, posted at 11.05.11 19:39:34 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 104) : If I was going to bat for the other side I would tend to agree with you. Except for Megan Fox. She’s looking scrawny. Rihanna’s hot though!

  • Comment 107, posted at 11.05.11 19:40:50 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 107) : Most on here will not know who I’m talking about, maybe you know. I wouldn’t mind having a little piece of Vanessa Marcil! 😉

  • Comment 108, posted at 11.05.11 19:52:27 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 108) : She was extremely HOT in Las Vegas, I still remember the episode with her trying to seduce the guy from fear factor. 😀

  • Comment 109, posted at 11.05.11 19:59:43 by Danman110 Reply

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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 102) : hey Shazzy-poo 😉 just got outta gym, how r u?

  • Comment 110, posted at 11.05.11 20:05:37 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Danman110 (Comment 109) : Yeah! Oh my GOD! Now really oooooooooh my God!!! 🙂

  • Comment 111, posted at 11.05.11 20:07:58 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 111) : Have you seen a picture of Shaz when she was a rocker chick? Now that was hot!!! 😉

  • Comment 112, posted at 11.05.11 20:32:28 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 108) : yo, co-sign on vanessa marcil! Dang!

  • Comment 113, posted at 11.05.11 20:34:13 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 113) : Not sure what you mean Mega? Not so good with the slang.

  • Comment 114, posted at 11.05.11 20:43:46 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 114) : He is seconding your opinion of Vanessa Marcil 😆

  • Comment 115, posted at 11.05.11 20:45:10 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 114) : i concur on vanessa marcil 😉

    but Shazzy-poo rocks

  • Comment 116, posted at 11.05.11 20:51:04 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 116) : “but Shazzy-poo rocks” sweet you’re showing signs of having some taste. 😉

  • Comment 117, posted at 11.05.11 20:54:14 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 116) : You know Vanessa is in no means related or involved with the Sharks right??? 🙂

  • Comment 118, posted at 11.05.11 20:55:20 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 118) : bwahahahahaha :mrgreen: i know, i know…why do you need to clarify that one? 😉

  • Comment 119, posted at 11.05.11 20:58:12 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 116) : @Dancing Bear (Comment 117) : Shaz does rock! Hell yeah! How about that Ice queen floating around here! She’s pretty rocking too! 🙂

  • Comment 120, posted at 11.05.11 20:58:48 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 120) : Ice is a little….errr….ummmm….well icy, Shaz is more accessible. 😉

    Just kidding, don’t ever take anything I type online to mean anything really. 😆

  • Comment 121, posted at 11.05.11 21:00:26 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 121) : Yikes, something tells me I should be ducking or running right now. 😉

  • Comment 122, posted at 11.05.11 21:02:29 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 120) : yeah Ice is banging too but she’s FEISTY!!

  • Comment 123, posted at 11.05.11 21:05:42 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 123) : 😆 Shaz is pretty darn feisty as well! 😀

  • Comment 124, posted at 11.05.11 21:06:25 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 123) : @Dancing Bear (Comment 124) : Don’t know about you guys but I like a challenge! So bring on them feisty’s! 🙂 🙂

  • Comment 125, posted at 11.05.11 21:12:56 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 125) : I laid down the challenge in post 121, probably one of the stupidest things I have done in a long time. 😆 😉 😀

  • Comment 126, posted at 11.05.11 21:14:11 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 110) : I’m just diddly dandy, thanks Meg-the-man. I like gym too (Gorgeous Young Men!) :mrgreen:

  • Comment 127, posted at 11.05.11 21:21:50 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 116) : 😆 Will be updating my photo soon… Getting a little nip tuck done! 😛

  • Comment 128, posted at 11.05.11 21:23:29 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 120) : Aw. Now you’re just making me grin stupidly! I’ve just come back from four days in Durbs, where I was dubbed “an absolute belter” nog al! (Apparently it’s a compliment!) :mrgreen:

  • Comment 129, posted at 11.05.11 21:25:11 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 123) : What’s happened to your avatar dude?

  • Comment 130, posted at 11.05.11 21:27:40 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 129) : Oh good, so my message got through then. 😉

  • Comment 131, posted at 11.05.11 21:34:59 by Dancing Bear Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 129) : @Dancing Bear (Comment 131) : :mrgreen:

  • Comment 132, posted at 11.05.11 21:43:55 by Ben Reply
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  • @Dancing Bear (Comment 131) : Warms the cockles of my heart, it does! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 133, posted at 11.05.11 21:45:52 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 130) : i changed it this afternoon, i guess it’s still awaiting approval 🙄 you know the red tape @ sharkworld babe.

  • Comment 134, posted at 11.05.11 21:47:40 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 134) : Will wait with baited breath. Am off to bed now. Still trying to recover from the weekend and five somewhat wild days in Durbs. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 135, posted at 11.05.11 21:55:00 by SharonvanWyk Reply
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  • Older women… God bless them I say. No poor young student’s life would be complete without a friendly tannie to teach him to mind his p’s and q’s.

    The little things – like when not to wear socks, Joost. And the important things – that young ladies don’t even know they should be thanking those knowledgeable, un-self-conscious tannies for. 😉

  • Comment 136, posted at 11.05.11 21:55:04 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @SharonvanWyk (Comment 135) : ‘baited breath’ hehehe it’s not what you thinking 🙂 but that can also be arranged…

  • Comment 137, posted at 11.05.11 21:59:03 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Big Fish (Comment 136) : Amen my Brotha! 🙂

  • Comment 138, posted at 11.05.11 21:59:38 by Ben Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 136) : preach brotha, PREACH!!! 😉

  • Comment 139, posted at 11.05.11 22:04:15 by Megatron Reply

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  • Can I get a witness!!! 😆

  • Comment 140, posted at 11.05.11 22:19:38 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 134) : 6:09PM to be exact and it was approved a few minutes alter. 😛

  • Comment 141, posted at 12.05.11 06:28:45 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 123) : Kitchen gettin’ to hot for ya, Megs….? 😉

    @Dancing Bear (Comment 121) : :mrgreen: Cold Biets?? :mrgreen:

  • Comment 142, posted at 12.05.11 08:20:46 by Ice Reply
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  • @Ice (Comment 142) : goeie more Uysie…it’s still morning and you’re already putting the boot in 😉

  • Comment 143, posted at 12.05.11 08:46:32 by Megatron Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 143) : In your face so to speak! 😉

  • Comment 144, posted at 12.05.11 09:12:49 by Ice Reply
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  • Last night was fun! :mrgreen:

  • Comment 145, posted at 12.05.11 09:19:07 by Ben Reply
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