This changes everything

Written by Rob Otto (robdylan)

Posted in :Original Content, Sharks, Stormers, Super Rugby on 20 May 2011 at 17:30
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Let’s start off by saying congrats to the Stormers for pulling off a remarkable win against the Blues in Auckland this morning. I’ll admit that I didn’t think they stood a chance of winning going into the game and when they ended up 19-3 down after half an hour, I feared that things would be worse than I anticipated. To come back from that position to win the game was superb and they deserve all the plaudits coming their way.

The result does, however, screw things up for the Sharks. The Stormers, bless them, were meant to lose this morning, leaving the Sharks with only a single point to make up in order to leap to the head of the South African conference table. We’re now back to trailing them by five and with their biggest hurdle now behind them, they can really start to consolidate their position with two ridiculously simple games in Australia coming up. In short, the Sharks are going to have to do something extra special in order to stand any chance of hauling the Stormers in.

They are, in short, going to have to throw caution to the wind. Grinding out wins in the five games that follow (four of them local derbies) is not going to help matters much since our only remaining hope now is to pick up maximum points from each of the games we have left and hope that the Stormers drop a point or two along the way. Our saving grace, in this respect, is the fact that they have battled to score bonus points this season, whereas we have picked up four-try bonuses in all but two of our seven wins so far this season. That in itself is a double-edged sword, though – a new ruling that sees total wins ranked higher than point difference when calculating log position means that we will need to end up with more total log points than the Stormers in order to finish above them. The Sharks have, in fact, won fewer games than any other team currently in play-off contention.

So there’s the challenge, Sharks. Starting with tomorrow’s game against the Bulls, we need five-pointers all the way. I wonder if the selection policy might be amended slightly with this in mind? Or whether the coaches will figure that since we’re doing pretty well at scoring tries at the moment anyway (4th best in the competition) that we just need to keep on doing what we’re doing.

What would you do?


  • Pray.

  • Comment 1, posted at 20.05.11 17:35:13 by rhineshark Reply
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  • Leave the squad as is for tomorrow. Typical reverse psychology – if you mess about with the team and tell them to go out and score four tries, they will lose focus and lose the game. We just need to concentrate on winning and hope the bonus points follow.

  • Comment 2, posted at 20.05.11 17:35:32 by macshark Reply

  • Na naa naa naaa na 😆

  • Comment 3, posted at 20.05.11 17:46:01 by molly Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 3) : grrrrr.

    Why not write a wonderful match report praising your brilliant team? 🙂

  • Comment 4, posted at 20.05.11 17:46:45 by robdylan Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 4) : look we thought the Chiefs would be an “easy” win, so I’m not taking any games for granted, and the Cheetah’s finding form now is a cause for concern. Rob, the tournament is not won in May, thats all I’m saying.

    oh, I will try put a report together, but I watched bits and pieces over my shoulder at work, want to watch more of the game to get a better idea.

  • Comment 5, posted at 20.05.11 17:50:09 by molly Reply
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  • @macshark (Comment 2) : welcome to the site! Your first comment, I believe?

  • Comment 6, posted at 20.05.11 17:51:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • @molly (Comment 5) : Chiefs have screwed both of us over 🙁

  • Comment 7, posted at 20.05.11 17:52:12 by robdylan Reply
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  • Indeed it is, Rob! Although have been a regular reader for several months now. Always enjoy the contributions and the banter!

  • Comment 8, posted at 20.05.11 17:58:53 by macshark Reply

  • The Stormers are like the sharks a few years ago.
    Doing good but no trophies.

  • Comment 9, posted at 20.05.11 17:59:03 by Honey Badger Reply

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  • Sharks have been so flat recently please may we have a turbo charged game against the bulls ,yet to see our team reach the tempo of the cheetahs in terms of upping the tempo 😛

  • Comment 10, posted at 20.05.11 18:00:15 by Talent Reply
  • if we had frans and ruan back 🙄 what would you guys think of 9. Mcleod 10. Pienaar 12.Lambie 13.Jacobs 15 .Steyn

  • Comment 11, posted at 20.05.11 18:02:32 by Talent Reply
  • Rob, if we win all our remaining games, I reckon it would be sufficient. I would love to see us chase the BP’s, but we both know that The Tree don’t roll like that.

  • Comment 12, posted at 20.05.11 18:08:54 by Big Fish Reply
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  • I was upest when the Stormers won this morning but later thought to myself, this can be a blessing, we know our team, as long as the road seems easy, they don’t pitch. Now they know that they 5 log points for every game until the end of this competition and will therefore pitch. Our guys need to bring energy, aggression, enthusiasm, focus and accuracy.

  • Comment 13, posted at 20.05.11 18:11:55 by GreatSharksays Reply

  • @ Tempo in this SR I have yet to see the Sharks reproduce a tempo\game that they produced consistently in the cc

  • Comment 14, posted at 20.05.11 18:14:08 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • Let’s hope the boys fire for 80..time to put bodies n souls on the line for the cause..

    Who is going down btw???

  • Comment 15, posted at 20.05.11 18:15:42 by shaniboi Reply

  • 😳 @ tempo is meant to be @ Talent

  • Comment 16, posted at 20.05.11 18:19:11 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Talent (Comment 11) : Why would you want to have McLeod starting at 9 if you have Pienaar available? McLeod is an average scrumhalf who was punching above his weight in the Currie Cup. Pienaar is a far better 9 with a much better all round game If I had Lambie available I would always start him at 10.

  • Comment 17, posted at 20.05.11 18:55:59 by lostfish Reply
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  • How would I play it?


    Play it as it lies!

    Tomorrow’s game will tell the Sharks all they need to know going forward.

    I still put R100 on the Sharks ending top – anyone taking that bet?

  • Comment 18, posted at 20.05.11 18:58:32 by Morné Reply
  • I know, I know…

    Still got the Sharks down for a loss tomorrow, but I have the Stormers down for one or two more as-well.

  • Comment 19, posted at 20.05.11 19:00:39 by Morné Reply
  • Morne
    Do you really think the Sharks can finish above us on the log??
    I don’t think so.

  • Comment 20, posted at 20.05.11 20:01:55 by wpw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 20) : It’s the booze talking. 😈 :mrgreen: 😉

  • Comment 21, posted at 20.05.11 20:08:04 by McLovin Reply

  • I’m really looking forward to tomorrow’s Sharks v Bulls match.

    Going to be lekker to watch a crunch do-or-die game all koel & kalm and without being on the verge of a nervous breakdown. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 22, posted at 20.05.11 20:12:32 by McLovin Reply

  • 8days ago we thought stormers would get 5-6 points from the first two matches on we are still better off than expected i think

  • Comment 23, posted at 20.05.11 20:12:37 by juba_fan Reply

  • @McLovin (Comment 21) : the closet shark coming out of Morne :mrgreen:

  • Comment 24, posted at 20.05.11 20:26:08 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 24) : Speaks with a forked tongue he does. 😈 😉

  • Comment 25, posted at 20.05.11 20:27:38 by McLovin Reply

  • @McLovin (Comment 25) : the other option is he tries to jinx us – any case – highly suspicious 😈

  • Comment 26, posted at 20.05.11 20:35:43 by rekinek Reply
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  • @robdylan (Comment 7) : Man alive! Rob. I just heard that the Varsity Cup’s gonna incl an u20 section. Where does that leave the Sharks and our Academy ❓ ❓ ❓ It was hard enough completing against the Bulls, Cheetahs + WP x 2 for junior player signatures, now hot on the heels of the Racing Metro rumour comes this.
    Tomorrow I’m bound to bump into the WP scout again. Couple the Stormers win + 2 u20 Varsity Cup teams – he’s going to be smiling from ear to ear. 🙁

  • Comment 27, posted at 20.05.11 20:50:58 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 27) : hi beet. A while ago you asked me about Josh Moon I think from Hilton. I checked team sheets from Hilton Michaelhouse and no such name, perhaps he was not playing.

  • Comment 28, posted at 20.05.11 20:53:28 by rekinek Reply
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  • @rekinek (Comment 28) : He plays for House. He was the u16a flank last year, a really good solid built player that made KZN Grant Khomo team. This year MHS moved him to inside centre in the hopes of mimicking their successful Patrick Howard switch. I think he must have been injured for the Hilton derby coz his name also didn’t appear in the Midlands team for trials. It’s a really weak Midlands side this year so there’s no way he wouldn’t have walked in. Look out for him in 2012. There’ll be hot compo at centre esp from College but he’s quality.

  • Comment 29, posted at 20.05.11 21:07:30 by beet Reply
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  • @beet (Comment 27) : what Racing Metro rumour?

  • Comment 30, posted at 20.05.11 21:53:17 by robdylan Reply
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  • 53 log points is apparently what the stats gurus reckon will be the minimum points needed to make the play-offs.

  • Comment 31, posted at 20.05.11 21:54:34 by McLovin Reply

  • The Sharks have to focus on only one thing at this stage and that is to win tomorrow. I have a feeling that it will be a very tough challenge. Going for the bonus point from the outset might prove detrimental and play into the hands of the Stormers and Bulls for that matter.

  • Comment 32, posted at 20.05.11 22:07:48 by Rooiwillie Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 30) : Apparently word going around Gauteng is that 5 schoolboys are lined up for trials at Racing so if things go well for them they won’t be coming to an Academy or a Varsity in SA.
    Not sure how true it is but it sounds legit and to be honest I figured it would just be a question of time ’til that sort of thing becomes a regular occurrence in SA. The Euro Clubs tend to follow a football path of evolution suggesting that well run youth programmes comprising locals and signed up talented overseas youngsters learning the ropes and plying their trade, is on the cards.

  • Comment 33, posted at 20.05.11 22:35:59 by beet Reply
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  • Don’t worry Beet.None of the French wannabe’s who left here ie Claassens ,Cooke ,Phillip Burger etc made the French World Cup provisional squad. Lots of the spoke about being able to pull on a French jersey but nothing came to fruition. They can go. Good luck to them. All the prospects out there know that this country is the best spot to learn the game. If you can’t make it here chances are good you won’t make it anywhere.

  • Comment 34, posted at 20.05.11 23:26:47 by Speed7 Reply

  • @Speed7 (Comment 34) : The point is the compo for the signatures of talented SBR players just got that much tougher for Hans Scriba and the gang with the Frenchies and the Varsity Cup u20 compo.

    Dale vs Queens on Reunion Day. Where do you wish you could be tomorrow.

  • Comment 35, posted at 20.05.11 23:31:10 by beet Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 18) :

    Bet taken. Care to acknowledge?

    Windhoek turned you into a fair weather fan.

  • Comment 36, posted at 21.05.11 03:00:29 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 20) :

    Nah I think he just struggles with addition!

  • Comment 37, posted at 21.05.11 03:01:44 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • @beet (Comment 33) :

    Mate, to be completely honest, theyre just numbers at this stage.
    I’ll tell you why I say so.
    I studied at Stellies and pitched up for the first first year hostel rugby practice and the first question that was asked was ‘those that played Craven Week on this side and those that didnt on that side’.
    3/4 of the players had played Craven Week.It was incredible to be an imposter in that world playing trials against players of that pedigree.
    And when you look at players currently playing Super Rugby/International the vast majority of them were already playing representative rugby at an early age. Thats the SA rugby story; play first side for the right school, gain school provincial colours, SA Schools etc. Thats just what you need on your CV, that just gets you a look-in, an interview so to speak.

    Only a few of those that played with me and had Craven Week, for example, went on to make rugby a career. Of those that played with me, despite the fact that most played Craven Week, two ended up playing Currie Cup and one Super Rugby. The previous year produced a SA Sevens player (who never ended up playing pro rugby).

    None were SBW, or even JdV or JdJ for that matter.

    Further to that, it takes more than just talent to make it through the Maties Bok training program. The same can be said of many other feedership programs, here or abroad.
    Yes its true Maties have produced the most Boks of any rugby club in SA (the 2,500 strong club players make the pool quite deep) but the good fortune needed to not only find form in the games that count but also to stay injury-free long enough to make higher honours, puts the odds of making rugby a career at a staggering low number.

    So I dont really care if the Frogs come shopping; there is such a depth of raw talent that it makes their poaching irrelevant. This is before you even consider the numbers of promising players that just never take the step up or pick up injuries that rob them of career-changing opportunities or simply dont allow them to play earlier.

    In conclusion; raw talent and genetically advanced individuals we produce in spades, but thats only a very small part of the puzzle.

  • Comment 38, posted at 21.05.11 03:29:02 by VinChainSaw Reply
  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 36) : Where were YOU last week after you lost? 😛

  • Comment 39, posted at 21.05.11 04:45:22 by KSA Shark © Reply

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  • @VinChainSaw (Comment 36) :

    You’re on buddy!

    And nothing about being fair-weathered…

    I said before, there is a difference between backing a side to do something, and supporting a side.

    My support will always lie with the Stormers, does not mean I back them in specific instances all the time though.

  • Comment 40, posted at 21.05.11 08:14:32 by Morné Reply
  • @wpw (Comment 20) :

    There has been absolutely zero rotation to the Stormers key players, it is impossible to expect them to play for 18 rounds consecutively and they are currently in a run of 8 games that has to be played on the trot!

    The Brumbies and Rebels are teams with nothing to lose and will play for pride, I am not taking the next two games for granted at all.

    Throw in what will be an enormously physical match against the Bulls and Cheetahs to come (one in Bloem) and it is not hard to imagine the Stormers dropping 2 games somewhere along the lines with tired smashed up bodies taking the field week in and week out.

    The Sharks are currently 1 win behind us – just one…

  • Comment 41, posted at 21.05.11 08:21:45 by Morné Reply
  • @Morné (Comment 41) : wow! a humble wpw fan…who would have thunk it! 😀

  • Comment 42, posted at 21.05.11 08:35:06 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • The loss against the Stormers AT HOME . .. coming back to bite us now.

    But looking forward to the Sharks going for broke this afternoon.
    A lot to gain, nothing much to lose . . . Just Go For It!

  • Comment 43, posted at 21.05.11 08:44:24 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Original Pierre (Comment 43) : 😯 i am already biting my nails…bulls in the same boat as us. each game counts now….gonna be blood flowing tonight.

  • Comment 44, posted at 21.05.11 08:48:11 by Just a Fan Reply

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  • Yeah – lets go out there and play some positive rugby… 5 games left and 25 points to get… But first prize is getting to the playoff as a wild card at the very least. So win the games – WIN THE GAMES!!!!

    (And lets remember – this is a strange sport – chucking in the old adage: Anything can happen! … and it usually does)

  • Comment 45, posted at 21.05.11 09:17:50 by DarkDestroyer Reply

  • @Morné (Comment 41) : You don’t reckon the Sharks might lose one or two games?

    If the Sharks lose one match, just one, then the Stormers should be able to afford 2 losses and still end top of the conference.

    Either way it should be a nail biting finish. 🙂

  • Comment 46, posted at 21.05.11 09:18:45 by McLovin Reply

  • I am hugely impressed by the fight shown by the Stormers yesterday….congrats that really showed some guts!!

    For the Sharks……you need to start showing the commitment that you showed in the CC play-offs last year and even though you are still very much in contention I’m yet to see the total commitment that I saw last year.

    Go the Sharks!!!

  • Comment 47, posted at 21.05.11 09:19:42 by Pokkel Reply
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  • Go SHARKS!! You can do it tonight! Go DALE, let’s dish it out to Queens today.

  • Comment 48, posted at 21.05.11 09:27:56 by GreatSharksays Reply

  • @McLovin (Comment 46) :

    I got the Sharks down for a loss today 😉

    Just believe with their depth in the forwards and players kept fresh throughout (injuries did force this too) they will end the stronger team.

  • Comment 49, posted at 21.05.11 13:48:11 by Morné Reply
  • @Morné (Comment 49) : Morne imo the player rotation(management) at the Sharks have been far worse than at the Stormers.

  • Comment 50, posted at 21.05.11 13:54:19 by Ben Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 49) :
    I also (sadly) expect a Bulls win.

  • Comment 51, posted at 21.05.11 14:03:38 by Big Fish Reply
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  • Bulls have made a changes, Danie starts @ 7 and Dewald starts off the bench. Zain might be replaced by Gerharld van der Heever. I’m afraid this makes them stronger and gives their loose trio good balance. Screw it!! Go the SHARKS!! Please play well Mcleod,we need you tonight.

  • Comment 52, posted at 21.05.11 14:05:02 by GreatSharksays Reply

  • Two-step Mcleod vs FdP 😉

  • Comment 53, posted at 21.05.11 14:49:25 by Megatron Reply

  • @Megatron (Comment 53) : Don’t underestimate Charl now. He sometimes takes 3 steps! 🙂

  • Comment 54, posted at 21.05.11 14:51:23 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 54) : hahaha he’s going to get nailed tonight if he tippy-toes sideways… 😉

  • Comment 55, posted at 21.05.11 15:01:45 by Megatron Reply

  • @Megatron (Comment 55) : He needs to get his act together. He will be vital.

  • Comment 56, posted at 21.05.11 15:06:20 by Ben Reply
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  • @Morné (Comment 49) : You’re not making sense. ❓

    You predict the Stormers will lose one or two more matches and the Sharks will lose today. If that happens (max 2 losses for Stormers & at least 1 loss for Sharks) it will make it virtually impossible for the Sharks to overtake the Stormers.

    Yet you say the Sharks will end stronger? 😈

    Or perhaps I’m just deurmekaar. All these permutations are messing with my head. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 57, posted at 21.05.11 15:35:23 by McLovin Reply


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