Dealing with it

Written by Warren Smith (war1)

Posted in :Meet the bloggers, Original Content on 22 May 2011 at 08:00
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One thing about being a South African rugby fan is that is generally something of a rollercoaster ride to use the old cliché.Good times and bad times alike come and go.
Using the Sharks as something a case study, let me have a look back at years gone by and relive the rollercoaster ride that I myself have had to go through for the last few years. 2008 was a landmark year for the Sharks, by winning the Currie cup they broke a 12 year trophy drought and were once again at the top of South African rugby. The 2009 season started superbly with the Sharks pulling clear of the Super 14 log before a terrible run of defeats meant the team ended out of the semi final positions. The Currie cup that year was a similar disappointment with the Sharks finishing top of the log before being knocked out in the semi final. In 2010 John Plumtree almost lost his job as a result of a run of five defeats before the team turned it around and finished the season a lot better than how they started it. When John Plumtree extended his contract for another 3 years, most Sharks fans bemoaned this and pensively looked ahead to another 3 years of underachievement. The 2010 Currie cup culminated in a fantastic victory for the Sharks and coach Plum and his team were hailed for their victory. Many Sharks fans were then expecting the Sharks to mount a serious challenge for the Super rugby title on the back of that domestic cup win. Now, after a bit of a disappointing season so far with particular the two defeats to the Stormers and this latest one against the Bulls, the criticism is back and the players and management of the Sharks have copped their fair share of flak the last few months. Coming back to my first point, being a Sharks supporter has certainly had its fair share of ups and downs since 27 October 2008. The reality is that the Sharks are not as bad as fear they are when they lose nor are they as good as you hope they are doing well.
Back to the history lesson, I can clearly remember being incredibly angry at the team and management after the 2009 Currie cup semi final defeat but I was also fortunate enough to gain some valuable insight from older and wiser men to help me deal with the hard times.

Firstly, we automatically look for someone to blame and you just have to look at the comments on this site over the last few weeks and months to that happening. Blaming someone only helps you to vent your anger at someone it does nothing to solve the problem especially when we don’t even know how things work behind the scenes.

Secondly, things like team selection, team performances and player acquisitions and losses are out of our control as fans. For example, it doesn’t matter that you want Plum to start Conrad Hoffman in the next match, it is out of your hands. Also, it doesn’t matter how angry you are that Brad Barritt, Frans Steyn and Ruan Pienaar are playing overseas or whose fault it is (see point 1 above), it won’t magically bring them back or even prevent similar things happening in the future. Also just because you like Juan De Jongh and think the Sharks need, this is not “Football manager” the Sharks can’t just buy him, deal with it.

Thirdly, don’t take it personally. Let me explain, when your team loses and you get angry, deep down you feel that you are entitled to a winning performance from your chosen team. To be brutally honest that is an arrogant notion and we have no right to demand such things from anybody. Let’s be honest here, if you sulk for a week after a loss you just become a pain to live with and that really helps nobody. On the flip side, if your team wins a big game and you dig deep into your cupboard and dust off that that team paraphernalia (which had been gathering dust since your team’s last glory day) and strut around gloating with your chest puffed out so far that it looks like you are about to fall over backwards, you become equally difficult to live with. Sometimes we just need to look at ourselves in the mirror. I remember after the Currie cup final last year one of my friends congratulated me on the Sharks winning the Currie cup. I thanked him but also said that I had personally not done anything, I just watched the game. Look, I don’t always get this right but it does help me to try not to take results of a game over which we have no control over too personally.
You win some, you lose some but life goes on and there is so much more to it than rugby.


  • You win some, you lose some but life goes on and there is so much more to it than rugby; HAHA no there is not!!!

    Seriously now i have dealt with it , adi jacobs didnt live up to his hype and was found wanting against a bigger center our locks just dont cut it ,they never have been and never will be in the same league as any of the bulls locks . I think fullback is a problem for us ,he gives it his best but offers less than terblanche on attack and midfield needs to be looked at . Questions need to be thrown at our forwards and DEYSEL needs to learn the basics again ,bismarc was alright but the rest of our forwards looked a(pathetic)

  • Comment 1, posted at 22.05.11 08:29:39 by Talent Reply
  • I don`t think the supporters will overreact at all.

    We`re obviously more committed as supporters than the players are at their job. If they don`t take it seriously, why should we?

    Another question is of course : Do we have the talent to compete at this level at all? Maybe we should be gratefull that we at least get to be ‘ also rans ‘ ?

    But hey on a positive note, Congrats to the Bulls for a truly professional display yesterday!

  • Comment 2, posted at 22.05.11 08:37:33 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 1) : @Original Pierre (Comment 2) : “Firstly, we automatically look for someone to blame”

  • Comment 3, posted at 22.05.11 09:04:38 by war1 Reply
  • Hi All,

    Been following your blog for a while, never commented but decided last night that perhaps I should also “vent”. I do not agree that we have no right to demand a win. I am a employee and my work demands certain things of me everyday. If I had to put in a performance like the one the team did Saturday, I have no doubt I would go home with a warning.

    My point; this is the players Job and they are very well paid. That winning every Saturday is not possible and that fact I can accept, But I paid for my ticket and have the fullest right to bemoan the fact that we did not pitch for the game.

    Well now I feel better that I vented, And I think the players and coaches should take it on the chin as their Job success is based on performance. And they did not perform.

  • Comment 4, posted at 22.05.11 09:12:04 by Headless-Hat Reply

  • @war1 (Comment 3) : A good Arti puts it into perspective
    I hope this puts paid to the idea of Alberts and Wolla in the same loose trio at the same time A good loose trio is one who carries one who fetches and one play-maker Keegan-Botes/Albert-Wolla/Hof would be a good one

  • Comment 5, posted at 22.05.11 09:12:26 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @war1 (Comment 3) : I`m not even gonna point fingers. I`ll just accept it hehehe

    Two ways of going about this. Scream and shout then fall into depression which isn`t good for anyone. Or sit back and laugh.
    Think I`ll go with the second one this round hehehe

  • Comment 6, posted at 22.05.11 09:18:28 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • Talent,

    You have hit the nail on the head, our locks weren’t up to scratch and I do not think they will be able to make the step up. Sykes is leaving anyway and Alistair doesn’t look the part.

    Ludik has no attacking flair and a below average boot and Deysel didn’t look match fit to me.
    Midfield is and will be our biggest weakness until we get quality players.

    Great write up war1 but we need to face reality, we can not put our heads in the sand and hope the heartache will go away. Face it and sort it out.

  • Comment 7, posted at 22.05.11 09:21:31 by Reynier Jacobs Reply

  • Did anybody check the school results? Northwood beat Glenwood!! Ok I should not be jumping for joy because Westville lost to College, but Glenwood and its fans have become a bit like Stormers and Bulls fans due their dominance. Awesome stuff! Healthy for KZN rugby as a whole. At the moment there is no dominant school in KZN.

    oh yeah by the way Great post!!! Best one I read in months.

    On a lighter note, my friend taught it would be a good idea to sit on the top row of East Stand. It was close to gates of heaven and hell. For me though it was like hell! We were sitting above the blou bulls travelling contingent. Felt like loftus!! I woke up in the middle of the night and found myself singing, “Die Blou, die blou, die blou Maaachine!” nightmares I tell you.

    On a more serious and positive note, our backline in the second half was so much better. We can also ascertain that Adi Jacobs is not an inside centre, and played 100 times better and second centre. Hopefully Plum learnt from the first half and keeps Adi at second centre there moving forward.

  • Comment 8, posted at 22.05.11 09:25:39 by Mocho Reply

  • I still believe that rugby are played by quality ball being set-up by forwards, good line-outs, scrums, rucks, mauls pick-up and drives, and then magic can be created by the backs, it’s actually a simple game being made difficult… 😉

  • Comment 9, posted at 22.05.11 09:33:00 by Charlie Reply

  • oh bloody hell, we’re back to these type of articles…some of you guys are special 🙄

  • Comment 10, posted at 22.05.11 09:33:56 by Megatron Reply

  • @Headless-Hat (Comment 4) : I would tend to agree with some of this sentiment. I agree with the gist of war1’s comments in that rugby isnt life, its a game we watch and it has its highs and lows. However, I dont believe that the fans should be seen and not heard, so to speak. The fans have every right to demand more of the players and their team. The fans pay the ticket prices. Its because of the fans watching the games on TV, internet etc.. that drives marketing demand and hence the high sponsorship deals these teams can sign, all of which allow the players/coaches/teams to generate more money than the average fan will earn over the same time period. The bottom line is, no fans, no money, no professional sport. The fans are an integral part of the system and in fact the single driving force behind the game as it is today and what elevates it from being a few dirty guys playing a game in a field somewhere.

  • Comment 11, posted at 22.05.11 09:36:12 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • @Megatron (Comment 10) : For the second time in 2 days Im going to agree with you. What is the world coming to?? 😛

  • Comment 12, posted at 22.05.11 09:39:06 by Pablo Dinero Reply

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  • @war1 (Comment 3) : The more I think about it the more I’m convinced that we got our preseason training wrong. Remember reading some article and the guys said they had changed their program this year and were doing things like pilates…?!Our game plan needs us to have the strength to cross the advantage like and this creates momentum. Without the strength we are exposed. Take a good look at our pack and you will see that all the guys are smaller than they were last year. Every pack this year except the Lions have managed us well this year. Think about it..and ask yourself what has changed so much, we were branned the most physical side in the past and this even the Rebel’s pack had our number. Players like Deysel, Alberts, Bismarck, Beast, Sykes and Jannie are being treated like school boys on the field. Mark Steale got it wrong! The sad thing about this is that Plum does not to have a plan B and persists with a plan which isn’t working. There’s a word for doing something over and over and expecting a different result. We need a good backline coach, an attacking number 13 and 15!

  • Comment 13, posted at 22.05.11 09:41:04 by GreatSharksays Reply

  • @Original Pierre (Comment 6) : Yeah, it hurts like hell and deep down I am pissed off but sulking really does not help and to be honest it’s a little childish.

  • Comment 14, posted at 22.05.11 09:48:08 by war1 Reply
  • @Reynier Jacobs (Comment 7) : Sharks should have thrown money at danie rossouw after the world cup or even earlier .

  • Comment 15, posted at 22.05.11 09:49:47 by Talent Reply
  • @war1 (Comment 14) : Yip, just let it slide.

    But don`t forget about it when it comes to making SB predictions next week :mrgreen:

  • Comment 16, posted at 22.05.11 09:52:23 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @Talent (Comment 15) : I think the Sharks made him an offer, he refused.

  • Comment 17, posted at 22.05.11 09:54:44 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 13) : I dissagree Pilates is good for conditioning and has been done at the sharks from before the world cup so i remember. I think that there is a lack of emphasis on the basics as cliche as it may sound. It is evident we do not have a well developed structure on defence ,frans hougards try ran through our forwards pillar/post -hargeeves was to far away from alberts in that case. One only has to look at deysel and beast ,two of the most physical player on the field ,they lost in in contact numerous times ,deysel carries the ball with the same arm he leads into contact with ,he also is to upright,shocking really that something you teach u11 is not being practiced at the sharks. Beast ,he ran by himslef at two or three defenders and was either tackled backwards or it resulted in a turn over . I dont know if its part of the game plan but it always seems that our forwards stand infront of lambie and act as a dummie runner or something -meaning our backline only straightens the line at 13/15

  • Comment 18, posted at 22.05.11 09:58:47 by Talent Reply
  • @Fattmann (Comment 5) : That’s what I’ve been advocating for ages…you need a balanced loose trio..when it comes to the Sharks it becomes highlighted because Keegan and Kanko are also our play makers…without Keegan, Kanko Mvovo, Adi at 13 and JP our rugby is sh!t and easy to defend against. Alberts needs a break..rest him and bring him back for the Bulls game.

  • Comment 19, posted at 22.05.11 10:05:07 by GreatSharksays Reply

  • My 2 cents… For years we have build our game plan aroud a solid, mean pack. With emphasis on mean, sometimes bordering on arrogant. And that’s where I respect the current champion Bulls side… (Not an easy thing to say for a Shark living in Pta)Being mean, rough, tough and then Bakkies is still able to smile. His job is to be mean and tough, but it doesn’t mean it should change his personality. Are the Sharks taking the attitude thing too far, and when they get confronted, their egos can’t handle it and they just submit and make continous errors of judgement? Heyneke Meyer isntalled a wonderful family component to the Bulls. In the 90s Auntie Macintosh used too cook for the boys and families. Do we still have it?

  • Comment 20, posted at 22.05.11 10:12:51 by catfish Reply
  • We can’t even beat the Bulls and Stormers at home… hugely disappointing. It’s yet another season of Super rugby disappointment after so much early season promise (there have been sooooooooooo many of them now). I’m surprised no-one seems to be calling for Plumtree’s head. With abject performances like these it won’t be long before the spot light starts falling on Plumtree (and maybe rightly so). How long must Sharks’ fans put up with being one of the “also ran” teams?

    The Sharks desperately need new squad personnel. Some of the lot we have aren’t up to winning when it matters most and some, I would suggest, are not even up to Super level any more.

    Is there a plan B to get us out of this mess? Doesn’t look like it, don’t hold your breath.

  • Comment 21, posted at 22.05.11 10:23:52 by siorc Reply

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  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 19) : I was wondering if the result would have been different if Keegan and Kanko were there I will never know Watching the game for the 2nd time both the bulls tries came from our mistakes-Bismark for all his other abilities needs to sort out his line out throwing and must stop giving away penalties-the line out throw and loose ball turnover when we were defending our line
    I also think the bounce of the ball favoured the bulls-2 kickable penalties went their way when if there was another ref the penalties would have gone our way-and the result would have been ours
    Not excuses or shifting the blame-Megatron-just my observation after watching the game a 2nd time
    I agree GSS that Adi is not a 12-never thought he was-but a 13 and yes Alberts and Wolla need to rotate but i think Plum and the others also realise that and come Tahs game we will see a different side-maybe not to many personnel changes but different strategy. The Bulls figured out our strength and played to it Others will follow suite.

  • Comment 22, posted at 22.05.11 10:26:25 by Fattmann Reply
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  • @Fattmann (Comment 22) : I must agree, that our mistakes cost us badly. Our line outs were a big concern for me before the start of the game and the whole season. BUT did I see a resurgence? Did Hargreaves step up to the plate and try to take control? I am sure there were signs, which must be encouriging.

  • Comment 23, posted at 22.05.11 10:37:09 by catfish Reply
  • @GreatSharksays (Comment 19) : agree agree agree! You can not play the 2 big boys in the same trio. We need fetcher/beerboy/little mongrel/rabbit (call him whatever) and boy do we need Kanko or a 2nd 8th man.

  • Comment 24, posted at 22.05.11 10:41:43 by catfish Reply
  • Okay – so Adi did not do the mracle we were asking for – let’s be fair – its his first start and it was a bad game…I do not think that we can seriously write him off. In the same breath – I do think that he was more valuable when he came on later in a game…just perhaps not THAT late…again in the same breath, ST and MB is ALSO not the answer. Perhaps try JLP at 12?

    In my opinion Hoffman also did good when he came on (ubder difficult circumstances). The fact that Daniel was out for the game also made a diffs – he is normally huge against the Bulls. The fact that the likes of Alberts et al could not hold onto balls is just unacceptable. If both teams had the same handling errors, one could perhaps blame it on dew etc – but at one stage tha Sharks had double the amount of handling errors??!!

    Back to ST – yes he is not and will never be a 13, but dont blame the man – he has NOT chosen him in that position – he is being shoved in there, and in my opinion is really trying. So hats of from me to Stefan.

    In the end it boils down to this – the Sharks completely fogot the basics. CATCH the ball, SECURE possesion…Lambie also just passed and never attacked properly like we know he can. …Ag I dont know – I reckon its just so utterley disspointing, when we know our team can do a hellova lot better than last nights performance.

  • Comment 25, posted at 22.05.11 10:50:30 by Ice Reply
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  • As a supporter we are each entitled tour our own unique opinions.. and when our opinion differs we are obviously likely to be frustrated… Just because we hae no control over our opinions doesn’t mean that we wont be frustrated by the final team selection etc.. To be a supporter you obviously going to show emotion.. And this emotion is going to effect you postively and negatively after the game.. What is the most important thing though, is always looking forward to the weekend with another Sharks game to enjoy and to support the sharks with the same passion/ *gees” regardless of how well they are doing.. thanks, thats all.. 😉

  • Comment 26, posted at 22.05.11 10:55:32 by mikey Reply

  • @Ice (Comment 25) : we all feel the same Ice. For a Sharks-fan a Bulls loss always hurts the most. … Also thought Lambie didn’t take enough control and seemed to be sending the backline away on a angle, thus they got cramped up at the touchline or were shepard there

  • Comment 27, posted at 22.05.11 10:58:11 by catfish Reply
  • @Ice (Comment 25) : toughies Uysie…better luck @ loftus 😉

  • Comment 28, posted at 22.05.11 10:58:40 by Megatron Reply

  • @Ice (Comment 25) :
    Well said Ys: I wouldn’t drop Oupa is I were the coach – I would pop him in at 15. He tried hard, but he is not equipped for 13. He will add value at 15.

    Regarding Adi, I again agree. He didn’t shine, but who did? He has played 13 all season, and was then slotted in at 12. Surely this performanmce isn’t enough to adjudge him not good enough.

    War1, I have had my say on this notion that supporters must praise the team but never complain.

    I respect your right to support how you feel best, just as I respect that of those who go hysterical after a loss.

    Perhaps they should rein themselves in, but I don’t believe I (or anyone else) has the right to tell them what is the right or wrong way to support their team.

  • Comment 29, posted at 22.05.11 11:02:35 by Big Fish Reply
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  • @Big Fish (Comment 29) : well said brother

  • Comment 30, posted at 22.05.11 11:04:42 by mikey Reply

  • MET YS JA !!! 😆

  • Comment 31, posted at 22.05.11 11:06:03 by Charlie Reply

  • I totally disagree with this article and agree with piorc and others. I have every right to demand that the team performs! If it wasn’t for me the fan, those players would have to hold down a 9 to 5 job and play rugby in their spare time. They would have to be satisfied with a normal house in Morningside instead of the mansions that they currently own.quite frankly I am sick and tired of being flattered to be deceived!

  • Comment 32, posted at 22.05.11 11:21:56 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • Also can someone please explain why when the line out is a mess the hooker is blamed and the locks get off? Surely if its the hooker lineouts should improve with Smit @ hooker whose throwin, I am told is his strength. Yet the lineout is just as big lottery whether Bismarck or Smit is hooker in my opinion it our locks that need to pull up their socks. Sykes looks like he is just going through the motions till he can get to Ireland. Alberts looks dead on his feet.

  • Comment 33, posted at 22.05.11 11:40:44 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • Unfortunately too many people missed the point. Take a step back, calm down and carry on with life.

  • Comment 34, posted at 22.05.11 12:21:27 by war1 Reply
  • No offence guys but jeez some of the support for the Sharks here is shocking. Its no wonder why Rob and others post articles on crowd attendance. We Sharks will end up like the Lions in an empty Ellis park coke tin soon with some of the attitude. These comments about its our right to see the team winning because we paid for the tickets makes the Sharks sound like an IPL cricket team, but even their supporters show more passion than some of us when their team is losing.

    This is why I respect Province. Even when their team was losing, they had good support. See the English soccer clubs. Their club might be 15th place on a 7match losing streak, their support will stand solid.

    If some of you see the Sharks as a mere commercial entity, then carry on. I’m not stopping you. I for one see the Sharks a team with tradions and history, and I will always support the Sharks with passion, through thick and thin.

  • Comment 35, posted at 22.05.11 12:21:50 by Mocho Reply

  • warahtahs are a very good team…and know how to win at the Tank….

    better not stay away now sharks fans, i have a feeling sharks going to need all the support they can get next weekend.

  • Comment 36, posted at 22.05.11 12:33:24 by grant10 Reply

  • @Big Fish (Comment 29) : Agree, ST would add a lot more value at 15.

  • Comment 37, posted at 22.05.11 12:39:39 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • @grant10 (Comment 36) : That is true. Well done to the Stormers as well, excellent 2nd half.

  • Comment 38, posted at 22.05.11 12:41:23 by war1 Reply
  • @Mocho (Comment 35) : I am with you, but that’s the SA way. Strangely with the Sharks the ticket-sales do not increase with an upcurve in results. Always seems constant. Is our KZN-base just to small? Wish I was down there…

  • Comment 39, posted at 22.05.11 12:41:42 by catfish Reply


    sorry caps.

    Lambie not straightening the line enough….is that hand injury still a factor?

    Kanko is a huge loss….I would play Keegan at 8 with Botes and Deysel….Alberts looks real tired.

    Mostert in place of Sykes who may sub concioulsly be awol already.

    Adi at 13….Terblanche can rest now.

  • Comment 40, posted at 22.05.11 12:48:10 by grant10 Reply

  • Mocho what nonsense! Most of us will carryon supportig the sharks for what they represent to us but that does not mean that we have to meekly support bad performances by those wearing/managing our beloved jersey and union. Their job IS rugby and they are handsomely paid and supported to catch a ball, to tackle and perform! If my balance sheet consistently didn’t balance Serious questions would be asked of me and I will more than likely be looking for new employment! Its called accountability!

  • Comment 41, posted at 22.05.11 12:59:16 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @Grant #40 totally agree with you on these points! Keegan was sorely missed and oupa either rests or goes back to 15! And rest poor Alberts!

  • Comment 42, posted at 22.05.11 13:03:06 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • Oh and Sykes to warm bench till either he finds his mojo or starts for Leinster!

  • Comment 43, posted at 22.05.11 13:05:47 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @grant10 (Comment 40) : there’s too much expectation that “superPat” must carry the team…a team is a sum of its parts

  • Comment 44, posted at 22.05.11 13:08:14 by Megatron Reply

  • We can’t even catch a oval shaped ball! How many handling errors did we make in the game? Once the Sharks give 120% I will be happy, win or lose. Clearly the Sharks didn’t want to win this game yesterday.

  • Comment 45, posted at 22.05.11 13:09:41 by Ben Reply
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  • Log still needs updating. 😈 :mrgreen:

  • Comment 46, posted at 22.05.11 13:17:34 by McLovin Reply

  • playing terblanche at 15 is outdated…he offers no threat in attack, just being solid under the high ball & having a big boot aren’t enough anymore…

    did anyone see how Hurdles gave the bulls an extra attacking edge that the likes of zane, conrad jantjies, francois steyn just don’t have?

    aplon, dagg, beale, foden, muliaina, nanai-williams, ben smith, cory jane, isaia toeava – most of these guys can play on the wing because they offer PACE!

    and my friends, there’s no substitute for pace!

  • Comment 47, posted at 22.05.11 13:24:41 by Megatron Reply

  • 3 more wins should see the Sharks make the play-offs at least.

    Coupled with a loss or two from the Stormers and they might even end top of the conference.

    Still very close & plenty to play for. 🙂

  • Comment 48, posted at 22.05.11 13:25:50 by McLovin Reply

  • @Original Pierre (Comment 2) : I have been saying this all along, i agree we cannot win every game however we cant go down by +- 25 points 3 games in a row and expect to win, i don’t buy this we came off a bye nonsense these are professional rugby players not school boys.Bismark needs to wake up!!! why can’t he throw a ball in a line-out anymore?? where is the leadership in this team when John is injured and can’t play? lets try swanepoel at center he can’t play any worse than Bosman can he? give Hoffman 80 minutes and see what he is made of or let him go as they wasting there time burning out mc cloud!!

  • Comment 49, posted at 22.05.11 13:41:58 by theswan4 Reply

  • @McLovin (Comment 46) : oops. Done 🙂

  • Comment 50, posted at 22.05.11 13:49:46 by robdylan Reply
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  • @Sharksmad – The Blog’s Dudette (Comment 41) : I agree the teams performance is not beyond criticism. Do you think this form of accountability that many of the people on this forum were calling for last year in the Super Rugby would have given us the Currie Cup last year? Letting the players and coaches finding new employment? Might work. How long do you think it would take for a new coach and personal to gel? Patience through adversity is one characteristic of a champion team.

  • Comment 51, posted at 22.05.11 13:49:49 by Mocho Reply

  • @robdylan (Comment 50) : was probably best to leave it till today, with the rapture and all. :mrgreen:

  • Comment 52, posted at 22.05.11 13:53:09 by McLovin Reply

  • Guys, last nights defeat still hurts, not because of the Bulls that played well, but because the Sharks played so kak. The only thing that I am happy about is that I called the starting of Adi earlier in the week.

  • Comment 53, posted at 22.05.11 14:16:14 by KingRiaan Reply

  • The one guy from my view on top of east stand that stood out for the Sharks was Botes. I maybe wrong.

  • Comment 54, posted at 22.05.11 14:42:15 by Mocho Reply

  • @grant10 (Comment 40) : Straightening the line is a number 12’s responsibility – at least that’s what we were coached. A flyhalf is given a free role and one of his responsibilities is to ensure that the backline crosses the advantage line..if he needs to drift to ensure that, fine, the inside centre must then straighten to ensure that the men on his outside have space.

  • Comment 55, posted at 22.05.11 15:05:00 by GreatSharksays Reply

  • @Megatron (Comment 47) : 100% agree with you. The role of a fullback has changed, he is now an attacking weapon. Ludik, Terblanche don’t offer you that. I would have Taute and Killian at fullback any day of the week, especially on Friday and Saturday. Beale is a deadly weapon at 15 and Gerharld needs to think about moving to fullback.

  • Comment 56, posted at 22.05.11 15:13:25 by GreatSharksays Reply

  • No Mocho I am not calling for wholesale sackings! Make the team and managers accountable for their bad performances! I scream as loud wether they lose or win when the team have given it their all! but I get irate when they can’t catch a ball, when they look apathatic when the same thing is tried ad nauseum when its clearly not working! When something like getting a decent backs coach that actually knows what to do with a backline!( Since after 2007 we haven’t had a backline just ubber talented backs.) and a defence coach, do the sharks actually have such a thing? Are not adressed then I ask whether the management and players haven’t hopped on the gravy train! Or are you happy with winning just CCs? Even The Cheetahs have a better record than us there. I whant more from a team filled to the brim with talent that I KNOW can do SO much better! Otherwise I might as well go and support the Lions!

  • Comment 57, posted at 22.05.11 15:22:41 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • King Riaan you have sumarised my long essay with fewer word and more eloquently

  • Comment 58, posted at 22.05.11 15:25:40 by Sharksmad - The Blog's Dudette Reply

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  • @McLovin (Comment 48) : Pipe Dreams . . .

  • Comment 59, posted at 22.05.11 15:59:20 by Original Pierre Reply
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  • Is it just me or has Mcleod reached his sell by date?
    Thought he has been poor for a while now, also he fumbles a lot behind rucks and mauls and his passes to Pat is either high or low with a loop and puts Pat under pressure.
    Hoffmann also not the answer. Throw money at Sarel Pretorius!!!!!!!!!

    Hargreaves or Sykes has not been up to standard.
    We have a brilliant front row and loosies but our locks are no where and this puts pressure on us.
    Play Mostert as the enforcer and get a proper line out lock that can win secure ball in the lineouts. Why the hell they bought Skeate only Streauli will know.

    And then AGAIN- our midfield and fullback have the flair and attacking ability of primary school player.
    I am sick and tired of this now, can Streauli and Plum not see this.

    And can we please get a proper backline coach!!! It starts with them, they do not have flair!!!

    The saying goes, “Shit runs down hill”. It starts with the backline coaches.

  • Comment 60, posted at 22.05.11 16:02:17 by Reynier Jacobs Reply

  • Hey I think I found Adongas rugby connection. In the Kenyan sevens team. Huge fast fella.

  • Comment 61, posted at 22.05.11 16:03:06 by Mocho Reply

  • Ok I am probably going to get murdered for this. On the last 4 weeks or so Patrick Lambie went down on the list of form fly Halves. Yes yes, form is temporary, class is permanent. . But imo this is the list on recent games.

    1. Eberson
    2 Morne (he is getting the backline going)
    3 Elton ( huge impact of the bench)
    4 Lambie
    5 Cronje.

  • Comment 62, posted at 22.05.11 16:11:10 by Mocho Reply

  • No comment!

  • Comment 63, posted at 22.05.11 16:14:30 by Jarson (AddicteD) Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 10) : Wait until your precious `kingdom` of the elephants with your new `king` start their inevitable string of losses and then we´ll talk again. That´s if they have enough support to even warrant a blog.

  • Comment 64, posted at 22.05.11 16:28:26 by rhineshark Reply
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  • I´m looking foward to watching the Cheetahs for the rest of the season. I will probably also keep an eye on how we´re doing, but I have given up on wasting energy and pissing myself off on behalf of this lot.

    There seems to have been a breach of the circle of trust. Focker out…

  • Comment 65, posted at 22.05.11 16:37:36 by rhineshark Reply
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  • SA vs Wales sevens cup semi final, starting now.

  • Comment 66, posted at 22.05.11 17:09:57 by Ben Reply
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  • @rhineshark (Comment 64) : don’t be sour now chap… u can klap the bulle @ loftus 🙂

  • Comment 67, posted at 22.05.11 17:17:10 by Megatron Reply

  • Boo hoo. Dry your eyes boys. There’s always next year.

  • Comment 68, posted at 22.05.11 17:26:39 by Speed7 Reply

  • @Megatron (Comment 67) : You´re funny 😆

  • Comment 69, posted at 22.05.11 17:34:11 by rhineshark Reply
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  • @Speed7 (Comment 68) : There’s always next century for the Lions. Aren’t you tired of waiting yet?

  • Comment 70, posted at 22.05.11 17:38:25 by Ben Reply
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  • @Megatron (Comment 67) : I see your cuzzie scored against Wales. 😎

  • Comment 71, posted at 22.05.11 17:48:39 by rhineshark Reply
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  • Last night was a revelation in the sense that it proved what I was trying to say the whole season. Kirchner is a up and under one dimensional. Look what Van der Heever did – he attacked the Sharks. Ludike can’t play that rugby, that is why the Sharks will always struggle when Plan A is not working – which is almost always nowadays. The Vodacom team had a running fullback in Kobus de Kock. He was dropped because of it and replaced by a player who abides by Plan A. In other words play like Kirchner. When they were beaten by the Pampas 8, they could not adjust. Nr 12 straightens, 15 creates the overlap (also straight running). Unfortunately he is injured, but look at Dagg. To play this rugby you need a mobile nr 8, Alberts won’t make it, Kanko will.

  • Comment 72, posted at 22.05.11 17:50:14 by snoestaxi Reply

  • @Reynier Jacobs (Comment 60) : Yes, Charl has been awful all season but had a much better game last night. You are right, his passes were not accurate last night and put Pat under pressure.

  • Comment 73, posted at 22.05.11 18:59:17 by GreatSharksays Reply

  • snoestaxi
    The Bulls have 2 S14 trophies while playing Kirchner at fullback. Prior to that they had Jaco VD Westhuizen. If we go back further they had one Johan Roets who was the undisputed KING of up and unders.

  • Comment 74, posted at 22.05.11 19:03:08 by wpw Reply
  • @snoestaxi (Comment 72) : Great, I love people that know their rugby. That’s what I was taught at school, 12 straightens, 15 creates the overlap, 11 and 14 – corner flag. Made life easier for you as a loose forward.

  • Comment 75, posted at 22.05.11 19:08:59 by GreatSharksays Reply

  • I was spitting black venom last night and refused to air my opinion as I clearly was just pissed off… It was a crap game all in all, but as you become more contemplative you deal with it… Hard work lies ahead and there is nothing I can do about it, other than support my team. Destiny is in their hands… After such a performance however I must ask if bookies are as prominent in this sport as it is other professional sports…

  • Comment 76, posted at 22.05.11 20:52:01 by DarkDestroyer Reply

  • @wpw (Comment 74) : the point is the game has EVOLVED wes, as i mentioned in another post, the time for sticking a carthorse at fullback because he is ‘solid under the high ball & has a big boot’ has passed, the fullback is part of the attacking arsenal…this is not new actually thinking actually, leon mcdonald played like this for years, chris latham too…

    Why in SA do we like to be last to adapt? Other countries had fetchers for YEARS before we thought it apt to employ an opensider who slows the opposition ball down, pilfers & wins turnovers for us!

    Joe Pieterson, Gio Aplon are the type of players suited for this role – imagine if Habana, Sadie/Poolman ran support lines to Aplon usual forays after collecting long kicks…zac guilford, israel dagg & maitland do it all the time & boom, they are amongst the leading try scorers in the competition, while the stormers are starved of bonus points!

  • Comment 77, posted at 22.05.11 21:28:49 by Megatron Reply

  • @wpw (Comment 74) : the point is the game has EVOLVED wes, as i mentioned in another post, the time for sticking a carthorse at fullback because he is ‘solid under the high ball & has a big boot’ has passed, the fullback is part of the attacking arsenal…this is not new actually thinking actually, leon mcdonald played like this for years, chris latham too…

    Why in SA do we like to be last to adapt? Other countries had fetchers for YEARS before we thought it apt to employ an opensider who slows the opposition ball down, pilfers & wins turnovers for us!

    Joe Pieterson, Gio Aplon are the type of players suited for this role – imagine if Habana, Sadie/Poolman ran support lines to Aplon usual forays after collecting long kicks…zac guilford, israel dagg & maitland do it all the time & boom, they are amongst the leading try scorers in the competition, while the stormers are starved of bonus points!

  • Comment 78, posted at 22.05.11 21:28:49 by Megatron Reply

  • sorry about the double posts…mobile gremlins 😉

  • Comment 79, posted at 22.05.11 21:38:47 by Megatron Reply

  • let’s deal with this…quotes from plum’s post-match comments.

    “We just didn’t defend well enough and in
    the first 15 minutes we were two tries
    down,” the Sharks coach, Plumtree, said.

    “That was disappointing because in the past
    we’ve tackled a lot better than that. But
    allowing them to score after three phases
    was unacceptable.

    “That was the biggest thing and the side
    lost a bit of confidence early. Obviously we
    were under pressure line out time again, so
    really allowing them that start was hard

    “A side like the Bulls when they gain
    possession and put you in the corners …
    you got to come from a long way out, so it
    was pretty disappointing.”

    Although the Sharks did fight back after the
    break – they outscored the Bulls 17-9 in the
    second period, including a late consolation
    score in the 74th minute – they continued
    to concede needless penalties and were
    duly punished by the boot of Steyn.

    “We were giving away penalties and they
    were driving us to give away penalties so
    when we pegged them back, they just got
    another three points,” Plumtree added.

    “So we just couldn’t get to that seven or
    eight points behind them that would have
    allowed us to launch a real at them.

    “Basically the plan we had of beating them,
    we could not execute because we were too
    poor. Defensively we were poor, we
    haven’t been like that all year.”

    However, Plumtree still felt things could
    have been different if Charl McLeod had
    scored 12 minutes from the end with the
    tryline gaping.

    Instead there was umpteenth error from
    the Durban side and Plumtree added: “If we
    scored there it would have been seven or
    eight points away from them.

    “That was a big moment, so we just lacked a
    little bit of composure around the fringes and
    weren’t accurate enough.”

  • Comment 80, posted at 22.05.11 22:03:32 by Megatron Reply

  • @Megatron (Comment 80) : All excuses, no solutions.

  • Comment 81, posted at 22.05.11 22:18:06 by Ben Reply
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  • It’s already dealt with IMO. Concerning thing is the way the guys played. We were never IN the game except for short bursts of 2/3/4/ minutes at a time. Our “ball carriers” were made null and void. Our handling skills were the best player on the Bulls side.

    Our line outs were actually very good… But to no use, because we couldn’t keep hold of the ball for more than 3 phases after that.

    And that, is what makes it just this little harder to “deal with it”. The way we played.

  • Comment 82, posted at 23.05.11 07:53:24 by SharksRTB Reply

  • I wont be surprised if less than 20k pitches for the tahs game.

  • Comment 83, posted at 23.05.11 08:00:19 by SharksRTB Reply

  • @Megatron (Comment 80) : I don’t know why he even has press conferences after the match. He just needs a tape recorder and needs to get the players to play it. It is the same nonsense everytime the Sharks lose, but nothing gets done about it. The Sharks still haven’t contracted the right players, Plumtree still doesn’t know how to coach a backline and Hugh Reece Edwards is getting paid for what? But no point stating the obvious. The Sharks don’t have the quality management and player to win a Super Rugby title. Mr Price pours a lot of money into the Sharks, I think it is time they start taking charge and force better results from the top down. I don’t understand how Mr Price has accepted this mediocrity for so long.

  • Comment 84, posted at 23.05.11 08:02:00 by waje Reply

  • John Plumtree was correct though by sticking to Adi Jacobs as an impact player. Pressure forced his hand, but it is clear he was right.

  • Comment 85, posted at 23.05.11 08:15:09 by waje Reply

  • Did Clermont play this weekend?

  • Comment 86, posted at 23.05.11 08:15:49 by Ben Reply
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  • @waje (Comment 85) : So then they should make the whole team impact players. All of them were kak.

  • Comment 87, posted at 23.05.11 08:18:42 by Ben Reply
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  • Actually looking at it, the fans and media “forcing” John Plumtree to start Adi Jacobs played a big part in the Sharks loss. Jacobs gave away 2 penalties, missed 4 tackles, turned the ball over 7 times and kicked the ball away twice. He is a center why did he kick the ball? This performance alone put the Sharks on the backfoot. The only thing he did right was make Meyer Bosman look good.

  • Comment 88, posted at 23.05.11 08:24:18 by waje Reply

  • @Ben (Comment 87) : I said last week, the Sharks don’t have the players and management to win a Super Rugby title. And it showed on Saturday. The whole team isn’t crap. But there are players in key positions that are putting pressure on other players, dragging them down.

  • Comment 89, posted at 23.05.11 08:27:00 by waje Reply

  • @waje (Comment 89) : We certainly have the players I believe. The management is the problem.

  • Comment 90, posted at 23.05.11 08:33:45 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 90) : The Sharks have most the players needed. Players that aren’t cutting it at Super Rugby level are Charl and Hoffman, Hargreaves, Kankowski, Daniel, Bosman, Terblanche, Ndugane (at wing) and Ludik. These players can win Currie Cups, but they aren’t good enough to win the Super Rugby trophy.

  • Comment 91, posted at 23.05.11 08:41:23 by waje Reply

  • @waje (Comment 89) : @Ben (Comment 90) : I believe we have the players and the management. We are just not doing the basics right. Example: Our lineouts has been a problem all season and again it cost us big time this weekend. Basics like lineouts need to be in place. Same goes for handling and kicking

  • Comment 92, posted at 23.05.11 08:42:36 by Viking Reply
  • @waje (Comment 91) : I have to disagree with most of the players you’ve just mentioned there. What warrants you saying that about Hoffman?

  • Comment 93, posted at 23.05.11 08:44:26 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 93) : Stormers left him on their bench at Currie Cup level, Plumtree would rather play an exhausted Charl than put him on the park. And in the few minutes he gets to play he doesn’t do anything extra-ordinary to warrant praise.

  • Comment 94, posted at 23.05.11 08:48:58 by waje Reply

  • @Ben (Comment 93) : Have to agree with you there Ben. Odwa, Daniel and kanko has been playing well all season. 2 weeks ago we all said that Daniel should have been man of the match and now he is not good ebough for super rugby ❓

  • Comment 95, posted at 23.05.11 08:49:10 by Viking Reply
  • @Viking (Comment 92) : Isn’t that the players making such basic errors? So how can you say there isn’t a problem with the players?

  • Comment 96, posted at 23.05.11 08:51:06 by waje Reply

  • @Viking (Comment 95) : Daniel is needed more in the breakdown freeing ball, not standing off with Ryan hoping the ball will magically appear. Daniel is good, but the Sharks cannot have their loose forwards standing around tripping up backline players while the tight five have to secure ball for them at ruck time.

  • Comment 97, posted at 23.05.11 08:55:12 by waje Reply

  • @waje (Comment 94) : Plum would rather play an out of form fullback on 13 rather than Adi. Doesn’t say much about Plum does it? Conrad has looked pretty lively to me when coming on. Cleans the base quicker than Charl at the moment.

  • Comment 98, posted at 23.05.11 08:59:07 by Ben Reply
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  • @Viking (Comment 95) : Odwa is too slow for Super rugby. No point in being in the right place all the time, but when you get the ball you don’t have the pace to do anything with it.

    Ryan Kankowski was a good player, but hasn’t done anything spectacular all season. Even for the Boks he has been average. Has he become predictable, or is he just not working hard enough?

  • Comment 99, posted at 23.05.11 08:59:26 by waje Reply

  • @Ben (Comment 98) : Stefan did a lot better than Adi on Saturday. Stefan isn’t my favourite player, but he makes his tackles. See the stats on Adi’s performance in 88 above. Then tell me John Plumtree should drop Stefan for Adi.

  • Comment 100, posted at 23.05.11 09:03:08 by waje Reply

  • @waje (Comment 97) : Both of them are brilliant in the loose and imo they aren’t to bad at ruck time. Our locks are the main concern at ruck time, if they could just do their job things will go 50% better.

  • Comment 101, posted at 23.05.11 09:03:42 by Ben Reply
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  • @waje (Comment 100) : Dude Adi is a 13 not a 12. Big difference. Adi is a runner of offloads not really a distributor. Adi didn’t have a great game in defence won’t argue with that, he can tackle much better. Not going to aargue about Odwa, have been calling for Mvovo to start. Odwa does the basics well(most of the time). He isn’t anything special. Where I think Mvovo is.

  • Comment 102, posted at 23.05.11 09:08:34 by Ben Reply
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  • @Ben (Comment 101) : Schalk Burger, Duane Vermeulen clear ball out for the Stormers.
    Dewald Potgieter and Deon Stegman clean out for the Bulls.
    Heinrich Brussow cleans out for the Cheetahs.
    So why do the Shark’s loose forwards stand around watching Bismarck and Sykes doing what they should be doing?

  • Comment 103, posted at 23.05.11 09:09:39 by waje Reply

  • @Ben (Comment 102) : Adi is an impact player, nothing more. He needs the opposition to be tired when he hits the park.

  • Comment 104, posted at 23.05.11 09:11:20 by waje Reply

  • @waje (Comment 104) : I don’t think so sorry. He is a better 13 than Stefan. By far…

  • Comment 105, posted at 23.05.11 09:12:40 by Ben Reply
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  • @waje (Comment 97) : By that logic then we need to drop Bizzy has he has to win more lineouts? You cannot use all your forwards to hit the ruck all the time. Some guys need to stand off and take the ball up. The basics that I am refering to is handling, tackling, lineouts and kicking. Those are things that you learn from the first day you start playing and shold be well oiled by the time you play super rugby.

  • Comment 106, posted at 23.05.11 09:16:12 by Viking Reply
  • @Ben (Comment 105) : You are judging that on what performance? He has been out of rugby for over a year. His only starting performance since his return was a disaster. And he isn’t as good on defence as Stefan. You are using your romanticised image of Adi. Adi the Currie Cup star. The last time Adi was good in Super rugby the laws were different, the defences were different. On current evidence I cannot back Adi Jacobs to start.

  • Comment 107, posted at 23.05.11 09:22:22 by waje Reply

  • @mikey (Comment 26) : @Big Fish (Comment 29) : @Charlie (Comment 31) :

    Couldnt agree more.

  • Comment 108, posted at 23.05.11 09:26:47 by Salmonoid Reply
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  • @waje (Comment 107) : I’m judging it on the poor displays I have seen from Stef so far this season. Adi has been brilliant coming off the bench. Especially against the Brumbies. Not saying Adi is the best 13 in the world at the moment but he is certainly doing better than Stef. Why do you think everyone was calling for Adi to start? Sure he didn’t do himself any favours this weekend but I think its very unfair to play him out of position and then judge him on that 1 performance. Stefan has been awful the whole season long.

  • Comment 109, posted at 23.05.11 09:27:09 by Ben Reply
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  • I have a strong suspicion that since Plum was a loose forward, he has had a dream from the time he was small that one day loose forwards will rule the rugby world. That good loose forwards mean good teams, and nothing else matters.

    His living his dream, the Sharks game depends on its loose forwards, or Alberts specifically.

    Is Brendan Venter around next year? The Sharks need some insight from an external source. I think that’s what’s lacking. Our whole coaching structure depends on personal that were involved with the Sharks in the past. We sought have become close minded in a way. . . Its time to get some coaches or advisors that were not previously involved in the Sharks. We always choke in Super Rugby and its time we start investing .

  • Comment 110, posted at 23.05.11 09:27:23 by Mocho Reply

  • IMO – the sharks gameplan has been relying on our ball carriers to get over the advantage line, and with McLoeds quick balls from the base, we could catch the opponents out before they could regroup.

    Okey, so whats changed… Did anyone notice how Alberts have lost form over the las few weeks. and its NOT his fault we are losing, but i think weve been relying to heavily on him. Deysel is still a few weeks off his old self. With our ball runners not getting over the advantage line, and Mcloed still getting the ball out quickly, it shifts the pressure on our attackers, as it is very easy to defend on the front foot…

    What i`m actually trying to say. With Alberts and Co not getting over the advantage line anymore, it has got a ripple effect on the rest… Mcloed, Lambie and even the rest of the backs. Alberts is super human, but he needs rest, AND we cant depend on one oke alone. We need to learn how to adapt.

  • Comment 111, posted at 23.05.11 09:31:46 by VanWilder Reply

  • @Viking (Comment 106) : Who knocks the ball on during the game? Not Plumtree. Players at this level should not need the coach to teach basics.

    Lineouts are not all about the hooker. The catchers make the calls. Bismarck was good last year yet this year he battles. The only difference is Muller is gone and Hargreaves is in. Hence my comment that Hargreaves is not Super Rugby material.

    Tackling is a coach and player problem. So this is an area where apportioning blame is difficult. However certain players have made their fair share of simple misses. And that isn’t the coaches fault.

    Kicking again is an issue both player and coach are responsible for. But again basic kicks by the Sharks are being messed up, and this has more to do with poor decision making by the player than what has been coached.

  • Comment 112, posted at 23.05.11 09:32:02 by waje Reply

  • @VanWilder (Comment 111) : I’ll take your views one step further, the reason why Alberts is “losing” form has more to do with the fact that the opposition know how to play him. He doesn’t offload, so there is no problem using three defenders to bring him down. By the time the ball is recycled the gaps in defence are closed. The defenders also know that Bosman and Lambie don’t attack the line so they just need to drift to Stefan and the wing. They know Charl only passes, so no need to defend heavily around the breakdown. Basically speaking the Sharks players are predictable. And the rare occasions they do something different they surprise the opposition and score. Look at the Brumbies game as a good example. Brumbies have been average at best this season, yet they easily defended against the Sharks. In the second half both Alberts and Bismarck surprised everyone by offloading the ball and suddenly the Brumbies defence looked poor and two good tries were created. Charl also had a snipe and another try was scored.

  • Comment 113, posted at 23.05.11 09:40:50 by waje Reply

  • @waje (Comment 107) : You talking alot of nonsense, get your facts straight…so early on a Monday morning…

  • Comment 114, posted at 23.05.11 09:46:20 by Charlie Reply

  • @Charlie (Comment 114) : 🙂

  • Comment 115, posted at 23.05.11 09:49:34 by Ben Reply
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  • @Charlie (Comment 114) : I can see by your avatar you obviously were blinkered to Adi’s mistakes on Saturday, so I’ll stick to the facts. Adi Jacobs gave away 2 penalties, missed 4 tackles, turned the ball over 7 times and kicked the ball away twice. Great game, by all accounts. Compared to the good performance he has put in as impact player in previous games, he let himself, the team and his fans down.

  • Comment 116, posted at 23.05.11 09:59:22 by waje Reply

  • @Mocho (Comment 110) :
    I think Brendon Venter could be a great addition to the Sharks team.

  • Comment 117, posted at 23.05.11 10:07:00 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @Pokkel (Comment 117) : I think the Rugga Lady could do a better job. 😆

  • Comment 118, posted at 23.05.11 10:11:51 by waje Reply

  • @waje (Comment 118) :
    That’s not a lie!

  • Comment 119, posted at 23.05.11 10:15:25 by Pokkel Reply
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  • @waje (Comment 116) : are those stats available somewhere for us to look at?

  • Comment 120, posted at 23.05.11 10:18:52 by robdylan Reply
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  • I just go to ruggastats. They seem to have a nice breakdown. I supposed I better give them some recognition. Thanks Ruggastats, you help me look at the game without the emotion and blindness to my favourite players’ mitakes.

  • Comment 121, posted at 23.05.11 10:22:20 by waje Reply

  • @waje (Comment 121) : oh thanks… always use them as well, but didn’t realise they were up already

  • Comment 122, posted at 23.05.11 10:35:12 by robdylan Reply
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  • @waje (Comment 116) : Sorry to burst your bubble…was the first to acknowledge that he did not had a good game, but who else really did…Do know about those stats, check them regulary…there is no stat on any kicks though…”he let himself, the team and his fans down” – correction here…the whole team did 😉

  • Comment 123, posted at 23.05.11 10:51:02 by Charlie Reply


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